Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
I have exactly the same one with the remote panel. Works great.

 

The 21 W solar panel keeps both of my batteries fully loaded. We don't have any 
shore power at the Club.

 

Marek

C270 "Legato"

Ottawa

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

 

Edd,

 

I installed a http://www.morningstarcorp.com/products/sunsaver-duo/ which can 
charge two separate batteries.  Now all I have to do is figure out where to 
mount a panel.

 

Regards,

Ron

Ronald V. Ricci

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Bristol, RI

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Re: Stus-List Solar panel regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Eric Frank via CnC-List 
Edd, 

I have had very good luck (now running on 5-6 years) with the Morningstar 
SunGuard Solar Charge controller, first with a 20 watt and now with a 40-50 
watt solar panel.  They are relatively cheap, available through Amazon (and 
other places), and is very simple to set up and use.  If it is to charge only a 
single battery or bank, one controller works fine.  I use one solar panel to 
charge both the house and the starting battery, and then you need two 
controllers, but both can be connected to the one solar panel.  The least 
expensive controllers don’t use pulse width modulation to control the charge 
rate, and you definitely want to taper the charge as you approach full charge 
and barely charge at all went up to the full voltage (about 14.4V).

It does matter what type of battery you are charging.  The SunGuard does only 
wet cells (standard car-type batteries) whereas the gel-type batteries need a 
somewhat different charging schedule.  Morningstar makes all kinds - so take a 
look at their web page to see the differences.

One strong point of Morningstar is their excellent tech support and on-line 
explanations and diagrams for how to do everything. Recently I had very 
complete helpful tech input from Noah Sindermann there; he responded to my 
emails within a day and figured out the problem and how to fix it (using two 
controllers driven by the same solar panel, you need blocking diodes on their 
inputs).

Eric
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA

> Listers,
> 
> I?m looking for a decent charge controller for my 15W solar panel running to 
> my house bank. There seems to be so many choices out there landing from a few 
> bucks to over $60. 
> 
> Edd Schillay

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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
My feeling based on my research was that the price delta on the MPPT vs PWM
controllers only becomes worthwhile when you get over 100 watts. For my 65
I use an el cheapo Chinese made PWM controller that displays AMPs out. None
of the high end ones recommended do and it is a very handy feature. It also
displays voltage and has a temp diode to control charge rate based on
temperature. I got it as a kit with my 65 watt panel complete with plenty
of 12 gauge wiring and MC4 connectors already crimped for about $200 CAD.

Now, if I had lots of solar on my boat and I relied on it to *live, *then I
would invest in better technology. As it stands now, my 65 watter got us
through a three week cruise last year. We don't have refrigeration or
anything like that on board. Just the basic fans, pressure water, stereo,
lights, etc.
My .02.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> MPPT regulators do indeed offer a noticeable benefit with small panels.
> The problem is that many regulators advertised as MPPT do not actually have
> MPPT circuitry within. Buy a Genasun MPPT regulator!
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
>
> On 6/2/2015 3:24 PM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List wrote:
>
>> As you begin to regulate higher amperage and voltage you can have the
>> same considerations as alternator regulators and smart chargers.
>>
>> Battery type influencing bulk and float voltages ... can they be
>> programmed or adjusted on the cheapest regulator.
>>
>> Do you need a way to dump to some shunt when batteries are fully charged
>> ... usually not a problem for solar but significant for wind.
>>
>> MPPT controllers converting over-voltage typical in solar to useful
>> amp-hours at standard voltages gives higher efficiency in good
>> conditions if you need it ... at a modest price premium.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Prime Interest
>> 1982 LF38
>>
>> Toronto
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2015 2:59 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I haven’t, but I want the ability to move up to a stronger panel if
>> I need to.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log > >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 15 watt is so small I wonder if you even need one.  Have you
>>> measured the voltage output from the solar panel?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Bob Boyer
>>> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
>>> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
>>> email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
>>> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com 
>>>
>>> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as
>>> simply messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
>>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Listers,

 I’m looking for a decent charge controller for my 15W solar panel
 running to my house bank. There seems to be so many choices out
 there landing from a few bucks to over $60.

 What should I be looking for? Will this one work well enough?

 http://www.amazon.com/Controller-Battery-Regulator-Protection-Controle/dp/B00UTECG5O/ref=sr_1_30?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1433271044&sr=1-30&keywords=solar+panel+regulator+12V



 All the best,

 Edd


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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Bill Bina via CnC-List 
MPPT regulators do indeed offer a noticeable benefit with small panels. 
The problem is that many regulators advertised as MPPT do not actually 
have MPPT circuitry within. Buy a Genasun MPPT regulator!


Bill Bina



On 6/2/2015 3:24 PM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List wrote:

As you begin to regulate higher amperage and voltage you can have the
same considerations as alternator regulators and smart chargers.

Battery type influencing bulk and float voltages ... can they be
programmed or adjusted on the cheapest regulator.

Do you need a way to dump to some shunt when batteries are fully charged
... usually not a problem for solar but significant for wind.

MPPT controllers converting over-voltage typical in solar to useful
amp-hours at standard voltages gives higher efficiency in good
conditions if you need it ... at a modest price premium.

Ed

Prime Interest
1982 LF38

Toronto

On Jun 2, 2015 2:59 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Bob,

I haven’t, but I want the ability to move up to a stronger panel if
I need to.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
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City Island, NY
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On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

15 watt is so small I wonder if you even need one.  Have you
measured the voltage output from the solar panel?

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com 

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as
simply messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Listers,

I’m looking for a decent charge controller for my 15W solar panel
running to my house bank. There seems to be so many choices out
there landing from a few bucks to over $60.

What should I be looking for? Will this one work well enough?

http://www.amazon.com/Controller-Battery-Regulator-Protection-Controle/dp/B00UTECG5O/ref=sr_1_30?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1433271044&sr=1-30&keywords=solar+panel+regulator+12V



All the best,

Edd


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City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Ron,

I used to have one of those (years ago) and it just stopped working on me. Ben 
through a couple of cheapo versions since. I just bought the Genasun GV-4, 
which is highly recommended at $70 including ground shipping.

As for mounting, I have a flexible that I’ve got lying on the sliding 
companionway. The wires go through the deck and down that stainless “pipe” that 
goes from the ceiling through the galley and under the sinks. My batteries are 
on the other side of that cabinet under the starboard settee. So, I’ve mounted 
my ACR, connections, circuit breakers and the solar charge controller all under 
there. 


All the best,

Edd


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> On Jun 2, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Ron Ricci  wrote:
> 
> Edd,
>  
> I installed a http://www.morningstarcorp.com/products/sunsaver-duo/ 
>  which can charge two 
> separate batteries.  Now all I have to do is figure out where to mount a 
> panel.
>  
> Regards,
> Ron
> Ronald V. Ricci
> S/V Patriot
> C&C 37+
> Bristol, RI
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com 
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Ron Ricci via CnC-List 
Edd,

 

I installed a http://www.morningstarcorp.com/products/sunsaver-duo/ which can 
charge two separate batteries.  Now all I have to do is figure out where to 
mount a panel.

 

Regards,

Ron

Ronald V. Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Edd,

it is a moot point now, but don’t believe in solar charging with no regulator. 
I found it one of the sure ways of killing the battery. One summer with 6W 
solar charger to a 80 Ah marine battery and it was a toast.

GenSun is the easiest choice (best reviews and good price). Morningstar is 
good, as well, especially if you want to have two batteries charged separately 
(without EchoCharger).

Marek

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

Bob, 

I haven’t, but I want the ability to move up to a stronger panel if I need to. 


All the best,

Edd


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City Island, NY 
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  On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
wrote:

  15 watt is so small I wonder if you even need one.  Have you measured the 
voltage output from the solar panel?

  Bob

  Bob Boyer 
  S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
  1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
  email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
  blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com


  "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

  On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:


Listers, 

I’m looking for a decent charge controller for my 15W solar panel running 
to my house bank. There seems to be so many choices out there landing from a 
few bucks to over $60. 

What should I be looking for? Will this one work well enough? 
http://www.amazon.com/Controller-Battery-Regulator-Protection-Controle/dp/B00UTECG5O/ref=sr_1_30?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1433271044&sr=1-30&keywords=solar+panel+regulator+12V
 


All the best,

Edd


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City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List 

  
  
I'd recommend reading
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/solar_panel

Includes an explanation of charge controllers and need for such

Mark
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On 2015-06-02 3:54 PM, Edd Schillay via
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  Listers,
  
  
  I’m looking for a decent charge controller for my
15W solar panel running to my house bank. There seems to be so
many choices out there landing from a few bucks to over $60. 
  
  
  What should I be looking for? Will this one work
well enough? http://www.amazon.com/Controller-Battery-Regulator-Protection-Controle/dp/B00UTECG5O/ref=sr_1_30?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1433271044&sr=1-30&keywords=solar+panel+regulator+12V 
  

  

  
All the best,
  
  
  Edd
  
  
  
  
  Edd M. Schillay
  Starship Enterprise
  C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
  City Island, NY 

  
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Josh,

Thank you. Ordered. 


All the best,

Edd


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> On Jun 2, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
> 
> I would avoid that type of charge controller.  It is PWM type and is less 
> effective at pulling all available power out of the panel.  It IS cheap 
> though.  Check out this article.
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/solar_panel 
> 
> Josh
> 
> On Jun 2, 2015 2:54 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  > wrote:
> Listers,
> 
> I’m looking for a decent charge controller for my 15W solar panel running to 
> my house bank. There seems to be so many choices out there landing from a few 
> bucks to over $60. 
> 
> What should I be looking for? Will this one work well enough? 
> http://www.amazon.com/Controller-Battery-Regulator-Protection-Controle/dp/B00UTECG5O/ref=sr_1_30?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1433271044&sr=1-30&keywords=solar+panel+regulator+12V
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
As you begin to regulate higher amperage and voltage you can have the same
considerations as alternator regulators and smart chargers.

Battery type influencing bulk and float voltages ... can they be programmed
or adjusted on the cheapest regulator.

Do you need a way to dump to some shunt when batteries are fully charged
... usually not a problem for solar but significant for wind.

MPPT controllers converting over-voltage typical in solar to useful
amp-hours at standard voltages gives higher efficiency in good conditions
if you need it ... at a modest price premium.

Ed

Prime Interest
1982 LF38

Toronto
On Jun 2, 2015 2:59 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I haven’t, but I want the ability to move up to a stronger panel if I need
> to.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
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>
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 15 watt is so small I wonder if you even need one.  Have you measured the
> voltage output from the solar panel?
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>
> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply
> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
>
> On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> I’m looking for a decent charge controller for my 15W solar panel running
> to my house bank. There seems to be so many choices out there landing from
> a few bucks to over $60.
>
> What should I be looking for? Will this one work well enough?
> http://www.amazon.com/Controller-Battery-Regulator-Protection-Controle/dp/B00UTECG5O/ref=sr_1_30?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1433271044&sr=1-30&keywords=solar+panel+regulator+12V
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Bob,

I haven’t, but I want the ability to move up to a stronger panel if I need to. 

All the best,

Edd


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> On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 15 watt is so small I wonder if you even need one.  Have you measured the 
> voltage output from the solar panel?
> 
> Bob
> 
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com  
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com 
> 
> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
> 
> On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> I’m looking for a decent charge controller for my 15W solar panel running to 
>> my house bank. There seems to be so many choices out there landing from a 
>> few bucks to over $60. 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
15 watt is so small I wonder if you even need one.  Have you measured the 
voltage output from the solar panel?

Bob

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> On Jun 2, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
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> Listers,
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> I’m looking for a decent charge controller for my 15W solar panel running to 
> my house bank. There seems to be so many choices out there landing from a few 
> bucks to over $60. 
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> What should I be looking for? Will this one work well enough? 
> http://www.amazon.com/Controller-Battery-Regulator-Protection-Controle/dp/B00UTECG5O/ref=sr_1_30?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1433271044&sr=1-30&keywords=solar+panel+regulator+12V
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Stus-List Solar Panel Regulator

2015-06-02 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Listers,

I’m looking for a decent charge controller for my 15W solar panel running to my 
house bank. There seems to be so many choices out there landing from a few 
bucks to over $60. 

What should I be looking for? Will this one work well enough? 
http://www.amazon.com/Controller-Battery-Regulator-Protection-Controle/dp/B00UTECG5O/ref=sr_1_30?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1433271044&sr=1-30&keywords=solar+panel+regulator+12V
 

 


All the best,

Edd


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City Island, NY 
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