Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information
Even for those worried about UV degradation and chafe, New England makes a Dyneema double braid specifically for lifelines called wr2 https://www.neropes.com/products/performance-cruising/product/detail/wr2-ultra/ It has a coated outer braid that, while more difficult to splice, has all the strength and low stretch characteristics of a single braid with the added protection of a Dyneema outer jacket. C. Sherman Johnson Marine offers their Splice Line fittings that are nicely rounded and radiused to be kind to rope constructions and facilitate gates and other adjustable end terminations. http://www.csjohnson.com/news/splice_line_fittings.php I believe Hayn and Suncor have also developed specialty terminations that are less likely to chafe high modulus rope lifelines. With a bit of care and planning, the high strength lines can be installed at a significant savings over comparable steel wire and swaged fittings. Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 35 Landfall Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 1:37 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information Spoken like a true rope guy. I was thinking of a positive plug, but decided to lurk through this one till now. I think the doubting Thomas’s are just the sailors who haven’t spent much time with Spectra and similar materials. I did a round of testing with North around 20 years ago, and my first experience with Spectra webbing was shock, I couldn’t believe how strong, tough, and little stretch it had, especially compared to Nylon. I have been a believer ever since. My lower life lines have been Spectra since 2005. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA On May 14, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Chuck Gilchrest mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net> > wrote: I’ll buy stainless wire lifelines the day the Spectra on my boat starts to rust. Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 35 Landfall Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Mike, you're not exactly wrong about wire but in defense of UHMPE, it doesn't chafe or cut as easy as most other cordage and certainly not to the degree of ease as cotton or hemp cordage. In fact, when splicing I'm always surprised that I have to make sure that my knife is quite sharp. I actually see the "cutability" as a virtue since it could ease the retrieval of a MOB or clearing fouled rigging. It's also relatively quick and easy to replace should you have to cut it. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Tue, May 14, 2019, 8:55 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Just my opinion but I would not trust rope over wire. It chafes and can be easily cut. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Jerome Tauber via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 7:04 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Jerome Tauber Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information I checked those regs and they now permit HMPE rope lifelines. “Lifeline Specifications Lifelines of stranded stainless steel wire Lifelines of either: stranded stainless steel wire HMPE The minimum diameter is specified in table 8 below Stainless steel lifelines shall be uncoated and used without close-fitting sleeving, however, temporary sleeving may be fitted provided it is regularly removed for inspection. A lanyard of synthetic rope may be used to secure lifelines provided the gap it closes does not exceed 100 mm (4”). This lanyard shall be replaced annually All components of the lifeline enclosure system shall have a breaking strength no less than the lifeline When HMPE is used, it shall be protected from chafe and spliced in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended procedure.” ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information
Spoken like a true rope guy. I was thinking of a positive plug, but decided to lurk through this one till now. I think the doubting Thomas’s are just the sailors who haven’t spent much time with Spectra and similar materials. I did a round of testing with North around 20 years ago, and my first experience with Spectra webbing was shock, I couldn’t believe how strong, tough, and little stretch it had, especially compared to Nylon. I have been a believer ever since. My lower life lines have been Spectra since 2005. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA On May 14, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Chuck Gilchrest wrote: I’ll buy stainless wire lifelines the day the Spectra on my boat starts to rust. Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 35 Landfall Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: Mike, you're not exactly wrong about wire but in defense of UHMPE, it doesn't chafe or cut as easy as most other cordage and certainly not to the degree of ease as cotton or hemp cordage. In fact, when splicing I'm always surprised that I have to make sure that my knife is quite sharp. I actually see the "cutability" as a virtue since it could ease the retrieval of a MOB or clearing fouled rigging. It's also relatively quick and easy to replace should you have to cut it. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Tue, May 14, 2019, 8:55 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: Just my opinion but I would not trust rope over wire. It chafes and can be easily cut. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome Tauber via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 7:04 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jerome Tauber Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information I checked those regs and they now permit HMPE rope lifelines. “Lifeline Specifications Lifelines of stranded stainless steel wire Lifelines of either: stranded stainless steel wire HMPE The minimum diameter is specified in table 8 below Stainless steel lifelines shall be uncoated and used without close-fitting sleeving, however, temporary sleeving may be fitted provided it is regularly removed for inspection. A lanyard of synthetic rope may be used to secure lifelines provided the gap it closes does not exceed 100 mm (4”). This lanyard shall be replaced annually All components of the lifeline enclosure system shall have a breaking strength no less than the lifeline When HMPE is used, it shall be protected from chafe and spliced in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended procedure.” ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information
Lol. Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Chuck Gilchrest wrote: > > I’ll buy stainless wire lifelines the day the Spectra on my boat starts to > rust. > > Chuck Gilchrest > S/V Half Magic > 1983 35 Landfall > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 14, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> Mike, you're not exactly wrong about wire but in defense of UHMPE, it >> doesn't chafe or cut as easy as most other cordage and certainly not to the >> degree of ease as cotton or hemp cordage. In fact, when splicing I'm always >> surprised that I have to make sure that my knife is quite sharp. I actually >> see the "cutability" as a virtue since it could ease the retrieval of a MOB >> or clearing fouled rigging. It's also relatively quick and easy to replace >> should you have to cut it. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2019, 8:55 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> Just my opinion but I would not trust rope over wire. It chafes and can be >>> easily cut. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome >>> Tauber via CnC-List >>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 7:04 PM >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: Jerome Tauber >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now >>> general lifeline information >>> >>> >>> >>> I checked those regs and they now permit HMPE rope lifelines. >>> >>> “Lifeline Specifications >>> >>> Lifelines of stranded stainless steel wire >>> >>> Lifelines of either: >>> >>> stranded stainless steel wire >>> >>> HMPE >>> >>> The minimum diameter is specified in table 8 below >>> >>> Stainless steel lifelines shall be uncoated and used without close-fitting >>> sleeving, however, temporary sleeving may be fitted provided it is >>> regularly removed for inspection. >>> >>> A lanyard of synthetic rope may be used to secure lifelines provided the >>> gap it closes does not exceed 100 mm (4”). This lanyard shall be replaced >>> annually >>> >>> All components of the lifeline enclosure system shall have a breaking >>> strength no less than the lifeline >>> >>> When HMPE is used, it shall be protected from chafe and spliced in >>> accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended procedure.” >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >>> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information
I’ll buy stainless wire lifelines the day the Spectra on my boat starts to rust. Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 35 Landfall Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List > wrote: > > Mike, you're not exactly wrong about wire but in defense of UHMPE, it doesn't > chafe or cut as easy as most other cordage and certainly not to the degree of > ease as cotton or hemp cordage. In fact, when splicing I'm always surprised > that I have to make sure that my knife is quite sharp. I actually see the > "cutability" as a virtue since it could ease the retrieval of a MOB or > clearing fouled rigging. It's also relatively quick and easy to replace > should you have to cut it. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > >> On Tue, May 14, 2019, 8:55 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List >> wrote: >> Just my opinion but I would not trust rope over wire. It chafes and can be >> easily cut. >> >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome >> Tauber via CnC-List >> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 7:04 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Jerome Tauber >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now >> general lifeline information >> >> >> >> I checked those regs and they now permit HMPE rope lifelines. >> >> “Lifeline Specifications >> >> Lifelines of stranded stainless steel wire >> >> Lifelines of either: >> >> stranded stainless steel wire >> >> HMPE >> >> The minimum diameter is specified in table 8 below >> >> Stainless steel lifelines shall be uncoated and used without close-fitting >> sleeving, however, temporary sleeving may be fitted provided it is regularly >> removed for inspection. >> >> A lanyard of synthetic rope may be used to secure lifelines provided the gap >> it closes does not exceed 100 mm (4”). This lanyard shall be replaced >> annually >> >> All components of the lifeline enclosure system shall have a breaking >> strength no less than the lifeline >> >> When HMPE is used, it shall be protected from chafe and spliced in >> accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended procedure.” >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information
Mike, you're not exactly wrong about wire but in defense of UHMPE, it doesn't chafe or cut as easy as most other cordage and certainly not to the degree of ease as cotton or hemp cordage. In fact, when splicing I'm always surprised that I have to make sure that my knife is quite sharp. I actually see the "cutability" as a virtue since it could ease the retrieval of a MOB or clearing fouled rigging. It's also relatively quick and easy to replace should you have to cut it. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Tue, May 14, 2019, 8:55 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: > Just my opinion but I would not trust rope over wire. It chafes and can > be easily cut. > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerome > Tauber via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 7:04 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Jerome Tauber > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now > general lifeline information > > > > I checked those regs and they now permit HMPE rope lifelines. > > “Lifeline Specifications > > Lifelines of stranded stainless steel wire > > Lifelines of either: > > stranded stainless steel wire > > HMPE > > The minimum diameter is specified in table 8 below > > Stainless steel lifelines shall be uncoated and used without close-fitting > sleeving, however, temporary sleeving may be fitted provided it is > regularly removed for inspection. > > A lanyard of synthetic rope may be used to secure lifelines provided the > gap it closes does not exceed 100 mm (4”). This lanyard shall be replaced > annually > > All components of the lifeline enclosure system shall have a breaking > strength no less than the lifeline > > When HMPE is used, it shall be protected from chafe and spliced in > accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended procedure.” > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information
Just my opinion but I would not trust rope over wire. It chafes and can be easily cut. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome Tauber via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 7:04 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jerome Tauber Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information I checked those regs and they now permit HMPE rope lifelines. “Lifeline Specifications Lifelines of stranded stainless steel wire Lifelines of either: stranded stainless steel wire HMPE The minimum diameter is specified in table 8 below Stainless steel lifelines shall be uncoated and used without close-fitting sleeving, however, temporary sleeving may be fitted provided it is regularly removed for inspection. A lanyard of synthetic rope may be used to secure lifelines provided the gap it closes does not exceed 100 mm (4”). This lanyard shall be replaced annually All components of the lifeline enclosure system shall have a breaking strength no less than the lifeline When HMPE is used, it shall be protected from chafe and spliced in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended procedure.” ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information
I checked those regs and they now permit HMPE rope lifelines. “Lifeline Specifications Lifelines of stranded stainless steel wire Lifelines of either: stranded stainless steel wire HMPE The minimum diameter is specified in table 8 below Stainless steel lifelines shall be uncoated and used without close-fitting sleeving, however, temporary sleeving may be fitted provided it is regularly removed for inspection. A lanyard of synthetic rope may be used to secure lifelines provided the gap it closes does not exceed 100 mm (4”). This lanyard shall be replaced annually All components of the lifeline enclosure system shall have a breaking strength no less than the lifeline When HMPE is used, it shall be protected from chafe and spliced in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended procedure.”___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information
World Sailings Offshore special regs require Stainless steel on all mono hull sailboats except for ‘Short races, close to shore in relatively warm or protected waters normally held in daylight.’Covered in Offshore Special Regulations. Our club uses these regs for all long distance races on Lake Ontario. www.sailing.org/tools/documents/WorldSailingOffshoreSpecialRegulations20182019v2-[24802].pdf<http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/WorldSailingOffshoreSpecialRegulations20182019v2-%5b24802%5d.pdf> From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: May 13, 2019 4:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information After reviewing all of the (well thought out) entries on this thread, I am confused; are the Dyneema, or similar synthetic materials allowed or not allowed? If allowed, are there certain materials/brands which are preferred? Some which should be avoided? What is the priority on a project such as thisassuming, I do not see rust stains dripping from my lifelines... many thanks Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> Sent: Sun, May 12, 2019 10:42 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? For the bushings, look here: https://www.heyco.com/Hole_Plugs/product.cfm?product=Snap-Bushings-1§ion=Hole_Plugs<https://www.heyco.com/Hole_Plugs/product.cfm?product=Snap-Bushings-1=Hole_Plugs> or https://www.mcmaster.com/locking-grommets ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information
After reviewing all of the (well thought out) entries on this thread, I am confused; are the Dyneema, or similar synthetic materials allowed or not allowed? If allowed, are there certain materials/brands which are preferred? Some which should be avoided? What is the priority on a project such as thisassuming, I do not see rust stains dripping from my lifelines... many thanks Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Sent: Sun, May 12, 2019 10:42 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? For the bushings, look here:https://www.heyco.com/Hole_Plugs/product.cfm?product=Snap-Bushings-1§ion=Hole_Plugs or https://www.mcmaster.com/locking-grommets ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
