Re: Stus-List Spreader halyards 37+

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I hope you won't mind me dissenting, Bill, but the round Davis one's really
don't seem to work well at all. Northbound when you arrive on the
Continental Shelf south of New England, the longline fishermen mark their
lines with a 10' tall pole with a regular-sized Davis or equivalent
reflector on top. I never see them on radar until they are pretty much lost
in the sea clutter within half a mile of the boat. Consequently, I never
bother with a radar reflector anymore. It's not worth the wear on rig and
sails. Instead, we rely on a very good watch, both with eyes and electric
stuff and regular "securite" calls.
While at sea, I often ask ships how I'm showing up on radar, there seems no
difference in putting up a reflector.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Some work better than others, but to be sure, many of them work well
> enough to be more than worth having. The very simple and relatively
> inexpensive Davis works. That is a scientific fact, and not some magazine
> writer's opinion. Nothing is a guarantee, but look closely at modern
> navaids and you will see that they have a structure on top that looks
> somewhat like the design of the Davis. NOAA apparently thinks they are
> worth having. This is on steel navaids which RADAR can see pretty well
> anyway, but the additional reflector on top makes their return look bigger
> and stronger to RADAR. The fact that as the boat sways and bobs the
> reflector may be more and less effective momentarily does not take away
> from the fact that you are seen at all. Sailboats are weak targets, and any
> enhancement is worth having, no matter how imperfect.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 4/7/2017 8:53 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi Marek- that is the one I saved. Very comprehensive.  There are some
> others out there as well if you google radar reflector review.  Dave
>
> On Apr 6, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Yachting Monthly had a review a few years back (2005?). The review is
> freely available off the Internet (http://www.yachtingmonthly.
> com/archive/how-well-does-your-radar-reflector-work-2874).
>
> I am not sure if this is the one Dave meant. Regardless, it is worth a
> look.
>
> Marek
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Spreader halyards 37+

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Some work better than others, but to be sure, many of them work well 
enough to be more than worth having. The very simple and relatively 
inexpensive Davis works. That is a scientific fact, and not some 
magazine writer's opinion. Nothing is a guarantee, but look closely at 
modern navaids and you will see that they have a structure on top that 
looks somewhat like the design of the Davis. NOAA apparently thinks they 
are worth having. This is on steel navaids which RADAR can see pretty 
well anyway, but the additional reflector on top makes their return look 
bigger and stronger to RADAR. The fact that as the boat sways and bobs 
the reflector may be more and less effective momentarily does not take 
away from the fact that you are seen at all. Sailboats are weak targets, 
and any enhancement is worth having, no matter how imperfect.


Bill Bina


On 4/7/2017 8:53 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
Hi Marek- that is the one I saved. Very comprehensive.  There are some 
others out there as well if you google radar reflector review.  Dave


On Apr 6, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Yachting Monthly had a review a few years back (2005?). The review is 
freely available off the Internet 
(http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/archive/how-well-does-your-radar-reflector-work-2874).
I am not sure if this is the one Dave meant. Regardless, it is worth 
a look.

Marek



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Re: Stus-List Spreader halyards 37+

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Marek- that is the one I saved. Very comprehensive.  There are some others 
out there as well if you google radar reflector review.  Dave

> On Apr 6, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Yachting Monthly had a review a few years back (2005?). The review is freely 
> available off the Internet 
> (http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/archive/how-well-does-your-radar-reflector-work-2874
>  
> <http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/archive/how-well-does-your-radar-reflector-work-2874>).
>  
> I am not sure if this is the one Dave meant. Regardless, it is worth a look.
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David 
> Knecht via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 19:52
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> Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader halyards 37+
>  
> Have you seen the performance data on different radar reflectors?  Some are 
> not worth putting up if you really need to be seen. The cylindrical they 
> tested was one of the worst.  I have a pdf I can send to anyone interested.  
> There are probably other reviews out there as well.  Dave
>  
> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Mitchell's via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>  
> Ron, 
> Not sure if you have looked at this option but we have a cylindrical radar 
> reflector that is zip tied to the back stay above the split. Causes us no 
> grief, it's quiet and works. 
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs 
> 1989 37+. 
> 
> Sent from my mobile device. 
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Re: Stus-List Spreader halyards 37+

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Yachting Monthly had a review a few years back (2005?). The review is freely 
available off the Internet 
(http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/archive/how-well-does-your-radar-reflector-work-2874).

I am not sure if this is the one Dave meant. Regardless, it is worth a look.

Marek

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader halyards 37+

Have you seen the performance data on different radar reflectors?  Some are not 
worth putting up if you really need to be seen. The cylindrical they tested was 
one of the worst.  I have a pdf I can send to anyone interested.  There are 
probably other reviews out there as well.  Dave

On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Mitchell's via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Ron,
Not sure if you have looked at this option but we have a cylindrical radar 
reflector that is zip tied to the back stay above the split. Causes us no 
grief, it's quiet and works.
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+.

Sent from my mobile device.

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Re: Stus-List Spreader halyards 37+

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Have you seen the performance data on different radar reflectors?  Some are not 
worth putting up if you really need to be seen. The cylindrical they tested was 
one of the worst.  I have a pdf I can send to anyone interested.  There are 
probably other reviews out there as well.  Dave

> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Mitchell's via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Ron, 
> Not sure if you have looked at this option but we have a cylindrical radar 
> reflector that is zip tied to the back stay above the split. Causes us no 
> grief, it's quiet and works. 
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs 
> 1989 37+. 
> 
> Sent from my mobile device. 
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Stus-List Spreader halyards 37+

[Mitchell's via CnC-List]

Ron, 
Not sure if you have looked at this option but we have a cylindrical radar 
reflector that is zip tied to the back stay above the split. Causes us no 
grief, it's quiet and works. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs 
1989 37+. 

Sent from my mobile device. 

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Re: Stus-List Spreader Halyards - 37+

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I carry a Davis because the Offshore regs require it, not because it works.

Hopefully US Sailing will wise up.

Joel

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Before you pull the trigger on a radar reflector read this:
>
> http://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/
> uploads/sites/20/filebank/reflector_performance_ym_june.pdf
>
> I don't bother using one anymore.
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m planning to put spreader halyards on Patriot primarily for a radar
>> reflector.  My thought is to put one block a few inches in from the shrouds
>> and another about 12” in from the first block.  Does anyone have any
>> guidance or photos they can share?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> *Ron*
>>
>> Ron Ricci
>>
>> S/V Patriot
>>
>> C 37+
>>
>> Bristol, RI
>>
>> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Spreader Halyards - 37+

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Before you pull the trigger on a radar reflector read this:

http://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/filebank/reflector_performance_ym_june.pdf

I don't bother using one anymore.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine



On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m planning to put spreader halyards on Patriot primarily for a radar
> reflector.  My thought is to put one block a few inches in from the shrouds
> and another about 12” in from the first block.  Does anyone have any
> guidance or photos they can share?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *Ron*
>
> Ron Ricci
>
> S/V Patriot
>
> C 37+
>
> Bristol, RI
>
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Spreader Halyards - 37+

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Ron,

We used two blocks to make a triangle so the reflector does not chafe
through the line after loosing a reflector with a one-block system.  (The
outer 'block' was a stainless ring luggage tagged around the shroud and
spreader)  I also made a bridle out of wire fishing leader to attach to the
reflector.  Make sure the inboard block is at about the midpoint of the
spreader so the reflector is centered in the space.

Joel

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m planning to put spreader halyards on Patriot primarily for a radar
> reflector.  My thought is to put one block a few inches in from the shrouds
> and another about 12” in from the first block.  Does anyone have any
> guidance or photos they can share?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *Ron*
>
> Ron Ricci
>
> S/V Patriot
>
> C 37+
>
> Bristol, RI
>
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Spreader Halyards - 37+

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

I'm planning to put spreader halyards on Patriot primarily for a radar
reflector.  My thought is to put one block a few inches in from the shrouds
and another about 12" in from the first block.  Does anyone have any
guidance or photos they can share?  

 

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

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