Re: Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis,

I had hull #111, 1972 and the rudder log support 
arrangement is just like that shown for Touch


é

including the three short plywood exposed gussets and grey paint.  :)

Okay, I changed the water-pump grease cup to an 
industrial style spring loaded unit for auto feed.


The "Red & White" aft cockpit scupper valves are 
evil, in my humble consideration (photo 
DSCF0042.jpg). The valve stem will d'zinc-ti-fy 
in salt water and break when you try to close it. 
To check it, take the valve apart and see if the 
valve stem is showing pink. Pink is bad in this case.


I had good intentions to equip Sweet with a 
rudder stop configuration but never got around to 
it ( 'round tuit ). Part of the justification on 
procrastination was recognizing the only two 
times you need rudder stop on these boats is being hove-to or backing down.


So I became very vigilant for the helmsman to 
hold firm, okay a nag, if the Admiral was backing 
down and we also sailed instead of heaving-to... 
entirely practical for our area.


At one time I thought about putting nylon 
pendants from 'rib structure" to each side of 
quadrant to limit movement but never got around to verifying if practical.


Cheers, Russ
ex - Sweet 35 mk-1


At 12:14 PM 1/29/2019, you wrote:


My hull number, in the photos, is #202, July '73.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 1/29/2019 1:40 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
Yep.  I wonder what hull number they made the 
design change?  touche' is #83.


Dennis C.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:54 AM schiller via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Dennis,

Looks very similar to what was on Corsair, Hull #7.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sTBZGtbZlym6_0Iw0S5DZOiWYHahCVI7

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028. "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 1/29/2019 9:20 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

The original post is below.

My buddy has the pedestal and associated parts 
for stripping and painting with 
AwlGrip.  Aircraft stripper does indeed 
remove powder coat.  
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OgW3dWk9fqRkoQwowu_fwg5fGehKcd_g


A local rigging shop is duplicating the wire 
rope cable for me.  The fitting on the end of 
the cable that attaches to the chain is 
apparently called a chain eye as opposed to a marine eye or aircraft eye.


There seems to be a major change in the rudder 
stop design.  Touche' is Hull 83.


Thanks to Russ, I have a good example of what 
a rudder stop should look like.  Note the 
strong vertical structural member with 
gussets.  The two plates mounted to the 
bottom of the quadrant stop against aluminum 
plates with rubber cushions on either side of the vertical structural member.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_9BPN1H7YXs586x93QLT8saZVIKJxDSr

Unfortunately, Touche' only has a thin gusset for the rudder tube:Â Â

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jaJX92DAx9vOgV2TWk-fchKrc3k3Zj2h

One other difference is that Touche's quadrant 
is installed upside down from the one on Russ' 
boat.  Go figure.  That doesn't seem to be a 
big deal.  The plates will just have to be mounted on the top of the quadrant.


I am going to have to install a vertical 
structural member.  Still finalizing the 
design but it will be similar to Russ' 
boat.  Going to be very uncomfortable working in there. Â


I'm thinking about bonding 3 pieces of marine 
ply together with the middle piece shorter so 
the thing slips down over the existing rudder 
post gusset.  I can then through bolt it in 
place and then tab it to the hull.  I will 
probably also make it with the athwartships 
gussets in place so all I need do is tab them 
to the hull.  The gussets are extremely 
important due to the side loading of the 
stops.  The more I do outside the space the easier it will be.


I won't start the job until March after I 
return from skiing.  I'll document the process and provide a link.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

My hull number, in the photos, is #202, July '73.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 1/29/2019 1:40 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
Yep.  I wonder what hull number they made the design change?  touche' 
is #83.


Dennis C.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:54 AM schiller via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Dennis,

Looks very similar to what was on Corsair, Hull #7.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sTBZGtbZlym6_0Iw0S5DZOiWYHahCVI7

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028. "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 1/29/2019 9:20 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

The original post is below.

My buddy has the pedestal and associated parts for stripping and
painting with AwlGrip. Aircraft stripper does indeed remove
powder coat.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OgW3dWk9fqRkoQwowu_fwg5fGehKcd_g

A local rigging shop is duplicating the wire rope cable for me. 
The fitting on the end of the cable that attaches to the chain is
apparently called a chain eye as opposed to a marine eye or
aircraft eye.

There seems to be a major change in the rudder stop design. 
Touche' is Hull 83.

Thanks to Russ, I have a good example of what a rudder stop
should look like.  Note the strong vertical structural member
with gussets.  The two plates mounted to the bottom of the
quadrant stop against aluminum plates with rubber cushions on
either side of the vertical structural member.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_9BPN1H7YXs586x93QLT8saZVIKJxDSr

Unfortunately, Touche' only has a thin gusset for the rudder tube:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jaJX92DAx9vOgV2TWk-fchKrc3k3Zj2h

One other difference is that Touche's quadrant is installed
upside down from the one on Russ' boat.  Go figure.  That doesn't
seem to be a big deal.  The plates will just have to be mounted
on the top of the quadrant.

I am going to have to install a vertical structural member. 
Still finalizing the design but it will be similar to Russ'
boat.  Going to be very uncomfortable working in there.

I'm thinking about bonding 3 pieces of marine ply together with
the middle piece shorter so the thing slips down over the
existing rudder post gusset.  I can then through bolt it in place
and then tab it to the hull.  I will probably also make it with
the athwartships gussets in place so all I need do is tab them to
the hull.  The gussets are extremely important due to the side
loading of the stops.  The more I do outside the space the easier
it will be.

I won't start the job until March after I return from skiing. 
I'll document the process and provide a link.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Well, I disassembled Touche's steering system yesterday for a
lng overdue maintenance session.  As in it's never been
done in 47 years!  Touche's steering system is by Morch.

If you haven't checked your steering system, maybe this will
inspire you to do so.

Oh, no!  Someone stole my pedestal!!
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12p-nlp8FEwqR0zhDrqlHqxkb7UMa0iSx

I hope you find this helpful.  I found some items of concern.

Concern 1.  One of the steering cables had a broken strand.

  * See:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mu-dmCnPnDFdd5jGHnkBAGSqbGL6jnrw
  * The break occurred where the cable made a sharp bend
around the quadrant just before the adjusting stud.
  * See:

http://www.bwsailing.com/bw/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Edson-Quadrant-Dwg.jpg
  * A buddy of mine who recently rebuilt the system in his
Hans Christian 38 said he saw the same on his

Concern 2. Some of the teeth on the chain sprocket were
damaged.  This was a complete surprise.

  * See:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1amngA8i-rm1IkBvn0HhyVGeNrj7T6NSk
  * And:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1a1czFpkvfnyQuFbNIlfHZehhwk-Wyl-8
  * This was apparently caused by the way C/Morch made
stops to limit the travel of the rudder.  They put a bolt
at each end of the chain. The bolts must have caused the
damage when the wheel reached its limit.
  * Note the two bolts with washers and nuts through the
links of the chain here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nvJzh8xWDgetBCEE8eeOAtz4-up4ZvCf

Non-concerns. The rest of the system looked pretty good. The
idler sheaves and bracket under the pedestal appeared to be
in good condition.  I started to remove it but decided it
will be easier to just pull the pins, remove the sheaves,
clean, lube and re-install.

The turning 

Re: Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

The one right after C learned the chain stops failed.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 1:40 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

Yep.  I wonder what hull number they made the design change?  touche' is #83. 

Dennis C.

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Re: Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Correction:  Thanks to Neil who sent pics.

Dennis C.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 8:21 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The original post is below.
>
> My buddy has the pedestal and associated parts for stripping and painting
> with AwlGrip.  Aircraft stripper does indeed remove powder coat.
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OgW3dWk9fqRkoQwowu_fwg5fGehKcd_g
>
> A local rigging shop is duplicating the wire rope cable for me.  The
> fitting on the end of the cable that attaches to the chain is apparently
> called a chain eye as opposed to a marine eye or aircraft eye.
>
> There seems to be a major change in the rudder stop design.  Touche' is
> Hull 83.
>
> Thanks to Russ, I have a good example of what a rudder stop should look
> like.  Note the strong vertical structural member with gussets.  The two
> plates mounted to the bottom of the quadrant stop against aluminum plates
> with rubber cushions on either side of the vertical structural member.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_9BPN1H7YXs586x93QLT8saZVIKJxDSr
>
> Unfortunately, Touche' only has a thin gusset for the rudder tube:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jaJX92DAx9vOgV2TWk-fchKrc3k3Zj2h
>
> One other difference is that Touche's quadrant is installed upside down
> from the one on Russ' boat.  Go figure.  That doesn't seem to be a big
> deal.  The plates will just have to be mounted on the top of the quadrant.
>
> I am going to have to install a vertical structural member.  Still
> finalizing the design but it will be similar to Russ' boat.  Going to be
> very uncomfortable working in there.
>
> I'm thinking about bonding 3 pieces of marine ply together with the middle
> piece shorter so the thing slips down over the existing rudder post
> gusset.  I can then through bolt it in place and then tab it to the hull.
> I will probably also make it with the athwartships gussets in place so all
> I need do is tab them to the hull.  The gussets are extremely important due
> to the side loading of the stops.  The more I do outside the space the
> easier it will be.
>
> I won't start the job until March after I return from skiing.  I'll
> document the process and provide a link.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I disassembled Touche's steering system yesterday for a lng
>> overdue maintenance session.  As in it's never been done in 47 years!
>> Touche's steering system is by Morch.
>>
>> If you haven't checked your steering system, maybe this will inspire you
>> to do so.
>>
>> Oh, no!  Someone stole my pedestal!!
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=12p-nlp8FEwqR0zhDrqlHqxkb7UMa0iSx
>>
>> I hope you find this helpful.  I found some items of concern.
>>
>> Concern 1.  One of the steering cables had a broken strand.
>>
>>- See:
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mu-dmCnPnDFdd5jGHnkBAGSqbGL6jnrw
>>- The break occurred where the cable made a sharp bend around the
>>quadrant just before the adjusting stud.
>>- See:
>>
>> http://www.bwsailing.com/bw/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Edson-Quadrant-Dwg.jpg
>>- A buddy of mine who recently rebuilt the system in his Hans
>>Christian 38 said he saw the same on his
>>
>> Concern 2.  Some of the teeth on the chain sprocket were damaged.  This
>> was a complete surprise.
>>
>>- See:
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1amngA8i-rm1IkBvn0HhyVGeNrj7T6NSk
>>- And:
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1a1czFpkvfnyQuFbNIlfHZehhwk-Wyl-8
>>- This was apparently caused by the way C/Morch made stops to limit
>>the travel of the rudder.  They put a bolt at each end of the chain. The
>>bolts must have caused the damage when the wheel reached its limit.
>>- Note the two bolts with washers and nuts through the links of the
>>chain here:
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nvJzh8xWDgetBCEE8eeOAtz4-up4ZvCf
>>
>> Non-concerns.  The rest of the system looked pretty good.  The idler
>> sheaves and bracket under the pedestal appeared to be in good condition.  I
>> started to remove it but decided it will be easier to just pull the pins,
>> remove the sheaves, clean, lube and re-install.
>>
>> The turning sheaves and brackets looked to be in good condition.  (See:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jie9IxSqSKorp3FaJtcKjbsNh3nD1TBU).  I
>> cleaned them and will lube and re-install.
>>
>> Next I needed to disassemble the engine control assembly so it can be
>> stripped and painted.  Using guidance from Chuck, here's that process.
>>
>>- Back off or remove the two small Phillips head retaining machine
>>screws.
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VxT_ApckY55M7xXKoctIShPmIKxgrFUj
>>- Move one lever COMPLETELY to one side and push the other lever
>>out.
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nqwnvA1UYDEHFVfuH9xi_-sy6YJrSOLE
>>- Then remove the other lever.
>>

Re: Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yep.  I wonder what hull number they made the design change?  touche' is
#83.

Dennis C.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:54 AM schiller via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> Looks very similar to what was on Corsair, Hull #7.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sTBZGtbZlym6_0Iw0S5DZOiWYHahCVI7
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1983 C 35-3, #028. "Grace"
> Whitehall, Michigan
> WLYC
>
> On 1/29/2019 9:20 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>
> The original post is below.
>
> My buddy has the pedestal and associated parts for stripping and painting
> with AwlGrip.  Aircraft stripper does indeed remove powder coat.
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OgW3dWk9fqRkoQwowu_fwg5fGehKcd_g
>
> A local rigging shop is duplicating the wire rope cable for me.  The
> fitting on the end of the cable that attaches to the chain is apparently
> called a chain eye as opposed to a marine eye or aircraft eye.
>
> There seems to be a major change in the rudder stop design.  Touche' is
> Hull 83.
>
> Thanks to Russ, I have a good example of what a rudder stop should look
> like.  Note the strong vertical structural member with gussets.  The two
> plates mounted to the bottom of the quadrant stop against aluminum plates
> with rubber cushions on either side of the vertical structural member.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_9BPN1H7YXs586x93QLT8saZVIKJxDSr
>
> Unfortunately, Touche' only has a thin gusset for the rudder tube:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jaJX92DAx9vOgV2TWk-fchKrc3k3Zj2h
>
> One other difference is that Touche's quadrant is installed upside down
> from the one on Russ' boat.  Go figure.  That doesn't seem to be a big
> deal.  The plates will just have to be mounted on the top of the quadrant.
>
> I am going to have to install a vertical structural member.  Still
> finalizing the design but it will be similar to Russ' boat.  Going to be
> very uncomfortable working in there.
>
> I'm thinking about bonding 3 pieces of marine ply together with the middle
> piece shorter so the thing slips down over the existing rudder post
> gusset.  I can then through bolt it in place and then tab it to the hull.
> I will probably also make it with the athwartships gussets in place so all
> I need do is tab them to the hull.  The gussets are extremely important due
> to the side loading of the stops.  The more I do outside the space the
> easier it will be.
>
> I won't start the job until March after I return from skiing.  I'll
> document the process and provide a link.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I disassembled Touche's steering system yesterday for a lng
>> overdue maintenance session.  As in it's never been done in 47 years!
>> Touche's steering system is by Morch.
>>
>> If you haven't checked your steering system, maybe this will inspire you
>> to do so.
>>
>> Oh, no!  Someone stole my pedestal!!
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=12p-nlp8FEwqR0zhDrqlHqxkb7UMa0iSx
>>
>> I hope you find this helpful.  I found some items of concern.
>>
>> Concern 1.  One of the steering cables had a broken strand.
>>
>>- See:
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mu-dmCnPnDFdd5jGHnkBAGSqbGL6jnrw
>>- The break occurred where the cable made a sharp bend around the
>>quadrant just before the adjusting stud.
>>- See:
>>
>> http://www.bwsailing.com/bw/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Edson-Quadrant-Dwg.jpg
>>- A buddy of mine who recently rebuilt the system in his Hans
>>Christian 38 said he saw the same on his
>>
>> Concern 2.  Some of the teeth on the chain sprocket were damaged.  This
>> was a complete surprise.
>>
>>- See:
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1amngA8i-rm1IkBvn0HhyVGeNrj7T6NSk
>>- And:
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1a1czFpkvfnyQuFbNIlfHZehhwk-Wyl-8
>>- This was apparently caused by the way C/Morch made stops to limit
>>the travel of the rudder.  They put a bolt at each end of the chain. The
>>bolts must have caused the damage when the wheel reached its limit.
>>- Note the two bolts with washers and nuts through the links of the
>>chain here:
>>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nvJzh8xWDgetBCEE8eeOAtz4-up4ZvCf
>>
>> Non-concerns.  The rest of the system looked pretty good.  The idler
>> sheaves and bracket under the pedestal appeared to be in good condition.  I
>> started to remove it but decided it will be easier to just pull the pins,
>> remove the sheaves, clean, lube and re-install.
>>
>> The turning sheaves and brackets looked to be in good condition.  (See:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jie9IxSqSKorp3FaJtcKjbsNh3nD1TBU).  I
>> cleaned them and will lube and re-install.
>>
>> Next I needed to disassemble the engine control assembly so it can be
>> stripped and painted.  Using guidance from Chuck, here's that process.
>>
>>- Back off or remove the two small Phillips head retaining machine
>>screws.
>>  

Re: Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

[schiller via CnC-List]

Dennis,

Looks very similar to what was on Corsair, Hull #7.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sTBZGtbZlym6_0Iw0S5DZOiWYHahCVI7

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028. "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 1/29/2019 9:20 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

The original post is below.

My buddy has the pedestal and associated parts for stripping and 
painting with AwlGrip.  Aircraft stripper does indeed remove powder 
coat. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OgW3dWk9fqRkoQwowu_fwg5fGehKcd_g


A local rigging shop is duplicating the wire rope cable for me.  The 
fitting on the end of the cable that attaches to the chain is 
apparently called a chain eye as opposed to a marine eye or aircraft eye.


There seems to be a major change in the rudder stop design.  Touche' 
is Hull 83.


Thanks to Russ, I have a good example of what a rudder stop should 
look like.  Note the strong vertical structural member with gussets.  
The two plates mounted to the bottom of the quadrant stop against 
aluminum plates with rubber cushions on either side of the vertical 
structural member.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_9BPN1H7YXs586x93QLT8saZVIKJxDSr

Unfortunately, Touche' only has a thin gusset for the rudder tube:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jaJX92DAx9vOgV2TWk-fchKrc3k3Zj2h

One other difference is that Touche's quadrant is installed upside 
down from the one on Russ' boat.  Go figure.  That doesn't seem to be 
a big deal.  The plates will just have to be mounted on the top of the 
quadrant.


I am going to have to install a vertical structural member.  Still 
finalizing the design but it will be similar to Russ' boat.  Going to 
be very uncomfortable working in there.


I'm thinking about bonding 3 pieces of marine ply together with the 
middle piece shorter so the thing slips down over the existing rudder 
post gusset.  I can then through bolt it in place and then tab it to 
the hull.  I will probably also make it with the athwartships gussets 
in place so all I need do is tab them to the hull.  The gussets are 
extremely important due to the side loading of the stops.  The more I 
do outside the space the easier it will be.


I won't start the job until March after I return from skiing.  I'll 
document the process and provide a link.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Well, I disassembled Touche's steering system yesterday for a
lng overdue maintenance session.  As in it's never been done
in 47 years!  Touche's steering system is by Morch.

If you haven't checked your steering system, maybe this will
inspire you to do so.

Oh, no! Someone stole my pedestal!!
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12p-nlp8FEwqR0zhDrqlHqxkb7UMa0iSx

I hope you find this helpful.  I found some items of concern.

Concern 1.  One of the steering cables had a broken strand.

  * See:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mu-dmCnPnDFdd5jGHnkBAGSqbGL6jnrw
  * The break occurred where the cable made a sharp bend around
the quadrant just before the adjusting stud.
  * See:

http://www.bwsailing.com/bw/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Edson-Quadrant-Dwg.jpg
  * A buddy of mine who recently rebuilt the system in his Hans
Christian 38 said he saw the same on his

Concern 2.  Some of the teeth on the chain sprocket were damaged.
This was a complete surprise.

  * See:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1amngA8i-rm1IkBvn0HhyVGeNrj7T6NSk
  * And:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1a1czFpkvfnyQuFbNIlfHZehhwk-Wyl-8
  * This was apparently caused by the way C/Morch made stops to
limit the travel of the rudder. They put a bolt at each end of
the chain. The bolts must have caused the damage when the
wheel reached its limit.
  * Note the two bolts with washers and nuts through the links of
the chain here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nvJzh8xWDgetBCEE8eeOAtz4-up4ZvCf

Non-concerns.  The rest of the system looked pretty good.  The
idler sheaves and bracket under the pedestal appeared to be in
good condition.  I started to remove it but decided it will be
easier to just pull the pins, remove the sheaves, clean, lube and
re-install.

The turning sheaves and brackets looked to be in good condition. 
(See:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jie9IxSqSKorp3FaJtcKjbsNh3nD1TBU).
I cleaned them and will lube and re-install.

Next I needed to disassemble the engine control assembly so it can
be stripped and painted. Using guidance from Chuck, here's that
process.

  * Back off or remove the two small Phillips head retaining
machine screws.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VxT_ApckY55M7xXKoctIShPmIKxgrFUj
  * Move one lever COMPLETELY to one side and push the other lever
out.

Re: Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Sounds like a good plan, Dennis.

The quadrant stop on my boat is entirely different, so that a single stop 
pushes backwards instead of two stops pushing inwards (side to side).  Based on 
the photos, I doubt you could configure the style on my boat into your existing 
set-up.

I’m trying to remember what the 35 rudder looks like.  On my boat, the rudder 
sits in a skeg.  I had to modify the stop slightly because the rudder turned 
far enough with the wheel hard over to crack the edge of the skeg.

Matt Wolford
C 42 Custom

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 9:20 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

The original post is below.

My buddy has the pedestal and associated parts for stripping and painting with 
AwlGrip.  Aircraft stripper does indeed remove powder coat.  
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OgW3dWk9fqRkoQwowu_fwg5fGehKcd_g

A local rigging shop is duplicating the wire rope cable for me.  The fitting on 
the end of the cable that attaches to the chain is apparently called a chain 
eye as opposed to a marine eye or aircraft eye.

There seems to be a major change in the rudder stop design.  Touche' is Hull 83.

Thanks to Russ, I have a good example of what a rudder stop should look like.  
Note the strong vertical structural member with gussets.  The two plates 
mounted to the bottom of the quadrant stop against aluminum plates with rubber 
cushions on either side of the vertical structural member.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_9BPN1H7YXs586x93QLT8saZVIKJxDSr


Unfortunately, Touche' only has a thin gusset for the rudder tube:  

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jaJX92DAx9vOgV2TWk-fchKrc3k3Zj2h

One other difference is that Touche's quadrant is installed upside down from 
the one on Russ' boat.  Go figure.  That doesn't seem to be a big deal.  The 
plates will just have to be mounted on the top of the quadrant.

I am going to have to install a vertical structural member.  Still finalizing 
the design but it will be similar to Russ' boat.  Going to be very 
uncomfortable working in there.  

I'm thinking about bonding 3 pieces of marine ply together with the middle 
piece shorter so the thing slips down over the existing rudder post gusset.  I 
can then through bolt it in place and then tab it to the hull.  I will probably 
also make it with the athwartships gussets in place so all I need do is tab 
them to the hull.  The gussets are extremely important due to the side loading 
of the stops.  The more I do outside the space the easier it will be.

I won't start the job until March after I return from skiing.  I'll document 
the process and provide a link.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

  Well, I disassembled Touche's steering system yesterday for a lng overdue 
maintenance session.  As in it's never been done in 47 years!  Touche's 
steering system is by Morch.

  If you haven't checked your steering system, maybe this will inspire you to 
do so.

  Oh, no!  Someone stole my pedestal!!  
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12p-nlp8FEwqR0zhDrqlHqxkb7UMa0iSx


  I hope you find this helpful.  I found some items of concern.

  Concern 1.  One of the steering cables had a broken strand.  
a.. See: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mu-dmCnPnDFdd5jGHnkBAGSqbGL6jnrw 
b.. The break occurred where the cable made a sharp bend around the 
quadrant just before the adjusting stud.   
c.. See:  
http://www.bwsailing.com/bw/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Edson-Quadrant-Dwg.jpg 
d.. A buddy of mine who recently rebuilt the system in his Hans Christian 
38 said he saw the same on his
  Concern 2.  Some of the teeth on the chain sprocket were damaged.  This was a 
complete surprise.
a.. See:  
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1amngA8i-rm1IkBvn0HhyVGeNrj7T6NSk 
b.. And:  
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1a1czFpkvfnyQuFbNIlfHZehhwk-Wyl-8 
c.. This was apparently caused by the way C/Morch made stops to limit the 
travel of the rudder.  They put a bolt at each end of the chain. The bolts must 
have caused the damage when the wheel reached its limit. 
d.. Note the two bolts with washers and nuts through the links of the chain 
here:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nvJzh8xWDgetBCEE8eeOAtz4-up4ZvCf
  Non-concerns.  The rest of the system looked pretty good.  The idler sheaves 
and bracket under the pedestal appeared to be in good condition.  I started to 
remove it but decided it will be easier to just pull the pins, remove the 
sheaves, clean, lube and re-install.

  The turning sheaves and brackets looked to be in good condition.  (See: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jie9IxSqSKorp3FaJtcKjbsNh3nD1TBU).  I cleaned 
them and will lube and re-install.

  Next I needed to disassemble the engine control assembly so it can be 
stripped and painted.  Using guidance from Chuck, here's that process.
a.. Back off or remove

Stus-List Touche' steering system rebuild - update 1

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

The original post is below.

My buddy has the pedestal and associated parts for stripping and painting
with AwlGrip.  Aircraft stripper does indeed remove powder coat.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OgW3dWk9fqRkoQwowu_fwg5fGehKcd_g

A local rigging shop is duplicating the wire rope cable for me.  The
fitting on the end of the cable that attaches to the chain is apparently
called a chain eye as opposed to a marine eye or aircraft eye.

There seems to be a major change in the rudder stop design.  Touche' is
Hull 83.

Thanks to Russ, I have a good example of what a rudder stop should look
like.  Note the strong vertical structural member with gussets.  The two
plates mounted to the bottom of the quadrant stop against aluminum plates
with rubber cushions on either side of the vertical structural member.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_9BPN1H7YXs586x93QLT8saZVIKJxDSr

Unfortunately, Touche' only has a thin gusset for the rudder tube:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jaJX92DAx9vOgV2TWk-fchKrc3k3Zj2h

One other difference is that Touche's quadrant is installed upside down
from the one on Russ' boat.  Go figure.  That doesn't seem to be a big
deal.  The plates will just have to be mounted on the top of the quadrant.

I am going to have to install a vertical structural member.  Still
finalizing the design but it will be similar to Russ' boat.  Going to be
very uncomfortable working in there.

I'm thinking about bonding 3 pieces of marine ply together with the middle
piece shorter so the thing slips down over the existing rudder post
gusset.  I can then through bolt it in place and then tab it to the hull.
I will probably also make it with the athwartships gussets in place so all
I need do is tab them to the hull.  The gussets are extremely important due
to the side loading of the stops.  The more I do outside the space the
easier it will be.

I won't start the job until March after I return from skiing.  I'll
document the process and provide a link.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well, I disassembled Touche's steering system yesterday for a lng
> overdue maintenance session.  As in it's never been done in 47 years!
> Touche's steering system is by Morch.
>
> If you haven't checked your steering system, maybe this will inspire you
> to do so.
>
> Oh, no!  Someone stole my pedestal!!
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=12p-nlp8FEwqR0zhDrqlHqxkb7UMa0iSx
>
> I hope you find this helpful.  I found some items of concern.
>
> Concern 1.  One of the steering cables had a broken strand.
>
>- See:
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mu-dmCnPnDFdd5jGHnkBAGSqbGL6jnrw
>- The break occurred where the cable made a sharp bend around the
>quadrant just before the adjusting stud.
>- See:
>
> http://www.bwsailing.com/bw/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Edson-Quadrant-Dwg.jpg
>- A buddy of mine who recently rebuilt the system in his Hans
>Christian 38 said he saw the same on his
>
> Concern 2.  Some of the teeth on the chain sprocket were damaged.  This
> was a complete surprise.
>
>- See:
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1amngA8i-rm1IkBvn0HhyVGeNrj7T6NSk
>- And:
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1a1czFpkvfnyQuFbNIlfHZehhwk-Wyl-8
>- This was apparently caused by the way C/Morch made stops to limit
>the travel of the rudder.  They put a bolt at each end of the chain. The
>bolts must have caused the damage when the wheel reached its limit.
>- Note the two bolts with washers and nuts through the links of the
>chain here:
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nvJzh8xWDgetBCEE8eeOAtz4-up4ZvCf
>
> Non-concerns.  The rest of the system looked pretty good.  The idler
> sheaves and bracket under the pedestal appeared to be in good condition.  I
> started to remove it but decided it will be easier to just pull the pins,
> remove the sheaves, clean, lube and re-install.
>
> The turning sheaves and brackets looked to be in good condition.  (See:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jie9IxSqSKorp3FaJtcKjbsNh3nD1TBU).  I
> cleaned them and will lube and re-install.
>
> Next I needed to disassemble the engine control assembly so it can be
> stripped and painted.  Using guidance from Chuck, here's that process.
>
>- Back off or remove the two small Phillips head retaining machine
>screws.
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VxT_ApckY55M7xXKoctIShPmIKxgrFUj
>- Move one lever COMPLETELY to one side and push the other lever out.
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nqwnvA1UYDEHFVfuH9xi_-sy6YJrSOLE
>- Then remove the other lever.
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pjlIMBqk3lTdZ0vtSWg6TfnNFOcpXQZY
>
> Next steps.
>
>- Strip powder coat off the pedestal and associated parts and paint
>with AwlGrip.  Buddy of mine has leftover paint from painting his mast.
>- Replace both cables.  I'm deciding on this.  Edson's cable and wire
>kits look like