Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Thanks Bruce!

I ended up ordering Sheilds heater hose from Amazon.  Like Joel Said.  
50' was cheaper than the 20' I need from West Marine.


I just worked on other stuff this weekend.

Danny


On 5/8/2017 7:52 AM, bwhitmore--- via CnC-List wrote:
I'm not sure I saw a reply to you latest question.  Stand auto parts 
store heater hose is what I did.


Bruce
1994 37/40+



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From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 5/7/2017 10:02 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

Hi All,
I was able to pressurize both the tank, 40psi for about an hour, and 
the coil, 10lbs for about 45 minutes, the only leaking I could detect 
was at the hose clamps.  So, I think I'm good to go.  I already bought 
new elements, one as a spare.  I'm going to replace the engine side 
hose with heater hose.  I looked into the clear silicone but, I'm not 
sold on it for the price.  Is there any particular brand hose I should 
be looking at or is the stuff you an get at the autoparts store what I 
should use.

I could pick that up now and have this wrapped up today.
Danny

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 12:07:59 -0400

Danny,
That is not heater hose.  I would see if it is temperature rated for 
180 degree water!  I just bought a 50 foot roll from Amazon because it 
was cheaper than 15 feet at West.   If you were nearby, I'd give you 
the rest.
Yes, I'd hook up a hose and see if there is a leak.  They likely 
bypassed it for a reason.

Joel

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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
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Hello all,

Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying
our boat, the water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore
power breaker at the survey.  Surveyor said, it's probably just
the element.

There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat
exchanger inside the water heater.  This was hooked at
inspection.  Well, as i needed some repairs done for the delivery
home, I hired the yard where she spent 26 of her 30 years to fix a
few things.  Drain the old fuel, replace filters, replace some
gauges, repair the toilet. Well, after I got the boat home I
realized they had completely disconnected and bypassed the heat
exchanger tubing from the water heater to the engine and never
said anything to me about.

I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they
simply refused to return my call.

My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the
issue is?

Here is a pic at survey.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3
<https://1drv.ms/i/s%21Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3>

You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those
two connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and
pump water through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible
happens that way.  Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all
over the place.

Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great
appreciated!

Danny
Mattapoisett, Ma


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Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[bwhitmore--- via CnC-List]

I'm not sure I saw a reply to you latest question.  Stand auto parts store 
heater hose is what I did.
Bruce1994 37/40+


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From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 5/7/2017  10:02 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery 

Hi All,
I was able to pressurize both the tank, 40psi for about an hour, and the coil, 
10lbs for about 45 minutes, the only leaking I could detect was at the hose 
clamps.  So, I think I'm good to go.  I already bought new elements, one as a 
spare.  I'm going to replace the engine side hose with heater hose.  I looked 
into the clear silicone but, I'm not sold on it for the price.  Is there any 
particular brand hose I should be looking at or is the stuff you an get at the 
autoparts store what I should use.
 
I could pick that up now and have this wrapped up today.
 
Danny

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 12:07:59 -0400


Danny,
 
That is not heater hose.  I would see if it is temperature rated for 180 degree 
water!  I just bought a 50 foot roll from Amazon because it was cheaper than 15 
feet at West.   If you were nearby, I'd give you the rest.
 
Yes, I'd hook up a hose and see if there is a leak.  They likely bypassed it 
for a reason.
 
Joel







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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hello all,
 
 Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our boat, the 
water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power breaker at the survey.  
Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.
 
 There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat exchanger inside 
the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection.  Well, as i needed some 
repairs done for the delivery home, I hired the yard where she spent 26 of her 
30 years to fix a few things.  Drain the old fuel, replace filters, replace 
some gauges, repair the toilet.  Well, after I got the boat home I realized 
they had completely disconnected and bypassed the heat exchanger tubing from 
the water heater to the engine and never said anything to me about.
 
 I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they simply 
refused to return my call.
 
 My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the issue is?
 
 Here is a pic at survey.
 
 https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3
 
 You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two 
connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump water 
through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens that way.  
Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.
 
 Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!
 
 Danny
 Mattapoisett, Ma
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi All,I was able to pressurize both the tank, 40psi for about an hour, and the 
coil, 10lbs for about 45 minutes, the only leaking I could detect was at the 
hose clamps.  So, I think I'm good to go.  I already bought new elements, one 
as a spare.  I'm going to replace the engine side hose with heater hose.  I 
looked into the clear silicone but, I'm not sold on it for the price.  Is there 
any particular brand hose I should be looking at or is the stuff you an get at 
the autoparts store what I should use. I could pick that up now and have this 
wrapped up today. Danny
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 12:07:59 -0400


Danny, That is not heater hose.  I would see if it is temperature rated for 180 
degree water!  I just bought a 50 foot roll from Amazon because it was cheaper 
than 15 feet at West.   If you were nearby, I'd give you the rest. Yes, I'd 
hook up a hose and see if there is a leak.  They likely bypassed it for a 
reason. Joel
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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hello all,
 
 Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our boat, the 
water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power breaker at the survey.  
Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.
 
 There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat exchanger inside 
the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection.  Well, as i needed some 
repairs done for the delivery home, I hired the yard where she spent 26 of her 
30 years to fix a few things.  Drain the old fuel, replace filters, replace 
some gauges, repair the toilet.  Well, after I got the boat home I realized 
they had completely disconnected and bypassed the heat exchanger tubing from 
the water heater to the engine and never said anything to me about.
 
 I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they simply 
refused to return my call.
 
 My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the issue is?
 
 Here is a pic at survey.
 
 https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3
 
 You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two 
connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump water 
through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens that way.  
Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.
 
 Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!
 
 Danny
 Mattapoisett, Ma
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The fresh water side of the water heater will sit around 35-50 PSI on a boat.
The engine coolant side is about 0-10 or so.
FYI

Joe
Coquina


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Ok, so maybe I go back to testing the heat exchanger with a pump and a bucket 
of water.  The pressure around the boat yard is probably near 30 or 40 lbs or 
so  I may try the "glassblower" method first!

On 5/2/2017 3:26 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List wrote:
Interestingly, when we took possession of our '94 37/40+, the water heater was 
also bypassed.  The hoses were still connected, but a section had been cut out 
to make the loop.  As a check, I flushed the hoses with clean water (there was 
actually still antifreeze in them which gave me comfort that the heater was 
probably not leaking), and then plugged one end with my finger and blew heavily 
into the other end.  Not a proper pressure check by any means, but it was 
enough to give me some confidence.

Then, I filled the heater with antifreeze & water mix as a stop-gap until I 
could get around to fully flushing the engine and replacing the antifreeze.

It's working great.

I agree that the clear hose is not a good substitute for proper heater hose.

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>


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Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net><mailto:f...@postaudio.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

Danny - I'm not sure why they disconnected all of that; but given the high 
coolant temps, I would definitely replace all of the nylon-reinforced hose with 
high-temp rated hose.  I've seen the clear hose develop "aneurisms" when under 
high temp and pressure; these will burst and you'll lose all your coolant.

Having said that, it's nice to be able to see coolant flow, which the black 
high-temp hose doesn't allow.  In doing a quick search, it appears that there 
is now silicone high-temp (500F) hose available.  This might be a nice option 
if you want to see the coolant flow.  I don't have any personal experience with 
this hose.

- Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On May 2, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hello all,

Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our boat, the 
water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power breaker at the survey.  
Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.

There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat exchanger inside 
the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection.  Well, as i needed some 
repairs done for the delivery home, I hired the yard where she spent 26 of her 
30 years to fix a few things.  Drain the old fuel, replace filters, replace 
some gauges, repair the toilet.  Well, after I got the boat home I realized 
they had completely disconnected and bypassed the heat exchanger tubing from 
the water heater to the engine and never said anything to me about.

I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they simply refused 
to return my call.

My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the issue is?

Here is a pic at survey.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3<https://1drv.ms/i/s%21Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3>

You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two 
connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump water 
through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens that way.  
Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.

Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!

Danny
Mattapoisett, Ma

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Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Ok, so maybe I go back to testing the heat exchanger with a pump and a 
bucket of water.  The pressure around the boat yard is probably near 30 
or 40 lbs or so  I may try the "glassblower" method first!



On 5/2/2017 3:26 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List wrote:
Interestingly, when we took possession of our '94 37/40+, the water 
heater was also bypassed.  The hoses were still connected, but a 
section had been cut out to make the loop.  As a check, I flushed the 
hoses with clean water (there was actually still antifreeze in them 
which gave me comfort that the heater was probably not leaking), and 
then plugged one end with my finger and blew heavily into the other 
end.  Not a proper pressure check by any means, but it was enough to 
give me some confidence.


Then, I filled the heater with antifreeze & water mix as a stop-gap 
until I could get around to fully flushing the engine and replacing 
the antifreeze.


It's working great.

I agree that the clear hose is not a good substitute for proper heater 
hose.

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net



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*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 12:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

Danny — I’m not sure why they disconnected all of that; but given the 
high coolant temps, I would definitely replace all of the 
nylon-reinforced hose with high-temp rated hose.  I’ve seen the clear 
hose develop “aneurisms” when under high temp and pressure; these will 
burst and you’ll lose all your coolant.


Having said that, it’s nice to be able to see coolant flow, which the 
black high-temp hose doesn’t allow.  In doing a quick search, it 
appears that there is now silicone high-temp (500F) hose available. 
 This might be a nice option if you want to see the coolant flow.  I 
don’t have any personal experience with this hose.


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On May 2, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hello all,

Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our 
boat, the water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power 
breaker at the survey.  Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.


There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat 
exchanger inside the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection. 
 Well, as i needed some repairs done for the delivery home, I hired 
the yard where she spent 26 of her 30 years to fix a few things. 
 Drain the old fuel, replace filters, replace some gauges, repair the 
toilet.  Well, after I got the boat home I realized they had 
completely disconnected and bypassed the heat exchanger tubing from 
the water heater to the engine and never said anything to me about.


I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they 
simply refused to return my call.


My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the 
issue is?


Here is a pic at survey.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3 
<https://1drv.ms/i/s%21Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3>


You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two 
connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump 
water through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens 
that way.  Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.


Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!

Danny
Mattapoisett, Ma


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Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Interestingly, when we took possession of our '94 37/40+, the water heater was 
also bypassed.  The hoses were still connected, but a section had been cut out 
to make the loop.  As a check, I flushed the hoses with clean water (there was 
actually still antifreeze in them which gave me comfort that the heater was 
probably not leaking), and then plugged one end with my finger and blew heavily 
into the other end.  Not a proper pressure check by any means, but it was 
enough to give me some confidence.
Then, I filled the heater with antifreeze & water mix as a stop-gap until I 
could get around to fully flushing the engine and replacing the antifreeze.  

It's working great.
I agree that the clear hose is not a good substitute for proper heater hose.  
 Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 12:10 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery
   
Danny — I’m not sure why they disconnected all of that; but given the high 
coolant temps, I would definitely replace all of the nylon-reinforced hose with 
high-temp rated hose.  I’ve seen the clear hose develop “aneurisms” when under 
high temp and pressure; these will burst and you’ll lose all your coolant.
Having said that, it’s nice to be able to see coolant flow, which the black 
high-temp hose doesn’t allow.  In doing a quick search, it appears that there 
is now silicone high-temp (500F) hose available.  This might be a nice option 
if you want to see the coolant flow.  I don’t have any personal experience with 
this hose.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On May 2, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Hello all,

Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our boat, the 
water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power breaker at the survey.  
Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.

There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat exchanger inside 
the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection.  Well, as i needed some 
repairs done for the delivery home, I hired the yard where she spent 26 of her 
30 years to fix a few things.  Drain the old fuel, replace filters, replace 
some gauges, repair the toilet.  Well, after I got the boat home I realized 
they had completely disconnected and bypassed the heat exchanger tubing from 
the water heater to the engine and never said anything to me about.

I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they simply refused 
to return my call.

My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the issue is?

Here is a pic at survey.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3

You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two 
connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump water 
through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens that way.  
Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.

Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!

Danny
Mattapoisett, Ma

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Re: Stus-List Water heater mystery

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

+1
The *coolant side* would be maybe 10 or 15 PSI max. 

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Subject: Stus-List Water heater mystery

Danny, not sure I would test that high a pressure. The coolant pressure won't 
be as high as your domestic water pressure. You could pressurize the tank with 
fresh water and test the bypass loop by opening the loop caps if they are 
capped. If the loop leaks it can be easily repaired. But that doesn't deal with 
the original issue of a tripping breaker! Perhaps the element is burned or 
shorted. Maybe the tank is leaking on the thermostat? Lots of things to look 
at. Good luck, Len

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Stus-List Water heater mystery

[Mitchell's via CnC-List]

Danny, not sure I would test that high a pressure. The coolant pressure won't 
be as high as your domestic water pressure. You could pressurize the tank with 
fresh water and test the bypass loop by opening the loop caps if they are 
capped. If the loop leaks it can be easily repaired. But that doesn't deal with 
the original issue of a tripping breaker! Perhaps the element is burned or 
shorted. Maybe the tank is leaking on the thermostat? Lots of things to look 
at. Good luck, Len

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Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Just as an FYI, here is the heater setup.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mp3gif8d6_wPOkLJR

Getting that out will not be an easy job!

Danny


On 5/2/2017 12:09 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
Danny — I’m not sure why they disconnected all of that; but given the 
high coolant temps, I would definitely replace all of the 
nylon-reinforced hose with high-temp rated hose.  I’ve seen the clear 
hose develop “aneurisms” when under high temp and pressure; these will 
burst and you’ll lose all your coolant.


Having said that, it’s nice to be able to see coolant flow, which the 
black high-temp hose doesn’t allow.  In doing a quick search, it 
appears that there is now silicone high-temp (500F) hose available. 
 This might be a nice option if you want to see the coolant flow.  I 
don’t have any personal experience with this hose.


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On May 2, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Hello all,

Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our 
boat, the water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power 
breaker at the survey.  Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.


There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat 
exchanger inside the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection. 
 Well, as i needed some repairs done for the delivery home, I hired 
the yard where she spent 26 of her 30 years to fix a few things. 
 Drain the old fuel, replace filters, replace some gauges, repair the 
toilet.  Well, after I got the boat home I realized they had 
completely disconnected and bypassed the heat exchanger tubing from 
the water heater to the engine and never said anything to me about.


I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they 
simply refused to return my call.


My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the 
issue is?


Here is a pic at survey.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3 



You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two 
connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump 
water through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens 
that way.  Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.


Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!

Danny
Mattapoisett, Ma




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Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Ok, So, the first think to do would be to pressurize it and then, if i 
don't see any leaks, get some appropriate hose.  given that the working 
pressure is 150 and the test pressure is 300, hooking up a hose should 
not be a problem.  I think I'll go that route.  I tell you, getting 12 
gals of hot water on board will go a VERY long way to making the admiral 
happy!!  Fingers crossed this heater will get some use!


Thanks guys!


On 5/2/2017 12:09 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
Danny — I’m not sure why they disconnected all of that; but given the 
high coolant temps, I would definitely replace all of the 
nylon-reinforced hose with high-temp rated hose.  I’ve seen the clear 
hose develop “aneurisms” when under high temp and pressure; these will 
burst and you’ll lose all your coolant.


Having said that, it’s nice to be able to see coolant flow, which the 
black high-temp hose doesn’t allow.  In doing a quick search, it 
appears that there is now silicone high-temp (500F) hose available. 
 This might be a nice option if you want to see the coolant flow.  I 
don’t have any personal experience with this hose.


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On May 2, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Hello all,

Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our 
boat, the water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power 
breaker at the survey.  Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.


There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat 
exchanger inside the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection. 
 Well, as i needed some repairs done for the delivery home, I hired 
the yard where she spent 26 of her 30 years to fix a few things. 
 Drain the old fuel, replace filters, replace some gauges, repair the 
toilet.  Well, after I got the boat home I realized they had 
completely disconnected and bypassed the heat exchanger tubing from 
the water heater to the engine and never said anything to me about.


I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they 
simply refused to return my call.


My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the 
issue is?


Here is a pic at survey.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3 



You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two 
connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump 
water through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens 
that way.  Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.


Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!

Danny
Mattapoisett, Ma




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Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Danny — I’m not sure why they disconnected all of that; but given the high 
coolant temps, I would definitely replace all of the nylon-reinforced hose with 
high-temp rated hose.  I’ve seen the clear hose develop “aneurisms” when under 
high temp and pressure; these will burst and you’ll lose all your coolant.

Having said that, it’s nice to be able to see coolant flow, which the black 
high-temp hose doesn’t allow.  In doing a quick search, it appears that there 
is now silicone high-temp (500F) hose available.  This might be a nice option 
if you want to see the coolant flow.  I don’t have any personal experience with 
this hose.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On May 2, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our boat, 
> the water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power breaker at the 
> survey.  Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.
> 
> There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat exchanger 
> inside the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection.  Well, as i needed 
> some repairs done for the delivery home, I hired the yard where she spent 26 
> of her 30 years to fix a few things.  Drain the old fuel, replace filters, 
> replace some gauges, repair the toilet.  Well, after I got the boat home I 
> realized they had completely disconnected and bypassed the heat exchanger 
> tubing from the water heater to the engine and never said anything to me 
> about.
> 
> I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they simply 
> refused to return my call.
> 
> My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the issue is?
> 
> Here is a pic at survey.
> 
> https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3 
> 
> 
> You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two 
> connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump water 
> through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens that way.  
> Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.
> 
> Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!
> 
> Danny
> Mattapoisett, Ma

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Re: Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

That is not heater hose.  I would see if it is temperature rated for 180
degree water!  I just bought a 50 foot roll from Amazon because it was
cheaper than 15 feet at West.   If you were nearby, I'd give you the rest.

Yes, I'd hook up a hose and see if there is a leak.  They likely bypassed
it for a reason.

Joel


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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our boat,
> the water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power breaker at the
> survey.  Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.
>
> There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat exchanger
> inside the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection.  Well, as i needed
> some repairs done for the delivery home, I hired the yard where she spent
> 26 of her 30 years to fix a few things.  Drain the old fuel, replace
> filters, replace some gauges, repair the toilet.  Well, after I got the
> boat home I realized they had completely disconnected and bypassed the heat
> exchanger tubing from the water heater to the engine and never said
> anything to me about.
>
> I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they simply
> refused to return my call.
>
> My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the issue
> is?
>
> Here is a pic at survey.
>
> https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3
>
> You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two
> connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump water
> through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens that way.
> Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.
>
> Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!
>
> Danny
> Mattapoisett, Ma
>
>
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Stus-List Water heater Mystery

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hello all,

Well, In the fall of 2015, when we were in the process of buying our 
boat, the water heater was hooked up and tripping the shore power 
breaker at the survey.  Surveyor said, it's probably just the element.


There is a loop in the engine for the piping to the coil heat exchanger 
inside the water heater.  This was hooked at inspection.  Well, as i 
needed some repairs done for the delivery home, I hired the yard where 
she spent 26 of her 30 years to fix a few things.  Drain the old fuel, 
replace filters, replace some gauges, repair the toilet.  Well, after I 
got the boat home I realized they had completely disconnected and 
bypassed the heat exchanger tubing from the water heater to the engine 
and never said anything to me about.


I called and called and called to try and find out why but, they simply 
refused to return my call.


My question now is, should i just hook it back up and see what the issue 
is?


Here is a pic at survey.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al8x-ET7_b7Mn1uGbsxTIdKR5WX3

You can see where nylon reinforced hose is attached.  Now, those two 
connections are by passed.  I guess I could hook up a pump and pump 
water through the heat exchanger and see if anything horrible happens 
that way.  Then, at least, i wouldn't get antifreeze all over the place.


Anyway, any insights, advice or observations will be great appreciated!

Danny
Mattapoisett, Ma


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