Re: Stus-List transom ladder
John, You should give White Water Marine a call. http://www.whitewatermarineinc.com/ladders.html <http://www.whitewatermarineinc.com/ladders.html> Like you, I did not have a transom ladder on my boat. I was able to get measurements and photos from several kind members on the list. I called several places and White Water Marine gave me a great price($330). BUT MORE IMPORTANT, during our phone conversation I explained how I obtained the measurements, and I was told not to worry as they would use the original design specs as they built the original ladders for C I could not have been more happy with the outcome. (See bottom of http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/TopsideWork <http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/TopsideWork> ) I don’t know if they fabricated all of the transom ladders for C but there is a very good chance they made the original for yours. - Paul E. 1981 C 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 08:36:16 -0500 > From: Bradley Lumgair <lumg...@hotmail.com <mailto:lumg...@hotmail.com>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List transom ladder > Message-ID: <snt406-eas1163a78ab2093727185468da6...@phx.gbl > <mailto:snt406-eas1163a78ab2093727185468da6...@phx.gbl>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Good morning John > You're welcome to take measurements and pictures from Pulse if you find a > welder, should be someone local that can weld that up for you. > Brad > C 33MkII "Pulse" > > > > I'd rather be sailing > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160130/e1472982/attachment-0001.html > > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160130/e1472982/attachment-0001.html>> ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List transom ladder
thanks BradWhere is Pulse in the yard? is she tarped or would I be able to see the ladder and get some measurements? John On Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:37 AM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-Listwrote: Good morning JohnYou're welcome to take measurements and pictures from Pulse if you find a welder, should be someone local that can weld that up for you.BradC 33MkII "Pulse" I'd rather be sailing ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List transom ladder
Good morning John You're welcome to take measurements and pictures from Pulse if you find a welder, should be someone local that can weld that up for you. Brad C 33MkII "Pulse" I'd rather be sailing ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List transom ladder
Give Doug Guierella a call at Klacko Stainless . He can make you a custom ladder . Sent from Joe Bognar > On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:28 PM, John McKay via CnC-List> wrote: > > Enterprise, my 33 MK II did not have a boarding ladder when I purchased her. > > I am looking for one that folds up. Because of the slope of the transom, it > need a bend in it. I am not having any luck finding one. > > Does anyone know of a good source. Garelick has been suggested but I don't > see anything on their site. > > Thanks in advance > > John on Enterprise > Komoka > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List transom ladder
Enterprise, my 33 MK II did not have a boarding ladder when I purchased her. I am looking for one that folds up. Because of the slope of the transom, it need a bend in it. I am not having any luck finding one. Does anyone know of a good source. Garelick has been suggested but I don't see anything on their site. Thanks in advance John on EnterpriseKomoka___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List transom ladder
http://www.whitewatermarineinc.com/ladders.html Dennis C. On Jan 29, 2016 8:38 PM, "Joseph Bognar via CnC-List"wrote: > Give Doug Guierella a call at Klacko Stainless . He can make you a custom > ladder . > > Sent from Joe Bognar > > > On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:28 PM, John McKay via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Enterprise, my 33 MK II did not have a boarding ladder when I purchased > her. > > I am looking for one that folds up. Because of the slope of the transom, > it need a bend in it. I am not having any luck finding one. > > Does anyone know of a good source. Garelick has been suggested but I don't > see anything on their site. > > Thanks in advance > > John on Enterprise > Komoka > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL
Okay I thought I would give an update on this... I like the ladder. I kind of wish it folded in the middle and I may have it altered to do that. The wife thinks it looks a little narrow when compared to some of the custom made ones on other sailboats in the marina. That doesn't bother me though. It feels like it is made of pretty heavy tubing and seems strong. The second ladder shipped with MUCH better packaging. It was in a real box with plenty of packing material. I thought the brackets were a little rough and I had to remove burrs where the holes for the bolts were drilled. I ended up scratching the boat name because of this while i was dry fitting it. That pissed me off! Had i simply installed it without removing the burrs it would probably have caused it to leak... Now that it is installed, I like it. I get 2 rungs below the water and when folded, the 2nd from the bottom rung lines up with the stern rail and the rest sticks up above the rail. Which, is why I'm thinking of having a fabricator add a hinge. I'll wait on that though and see how I feel after using for a while. I meant to take some photos before I left the marina but, I forgot... Danny -- Original Message -- From: Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:38:04 -0300 Great. Rich (mobile) On 2012-08-03, at 13:31, djhaug...@juno.com djhaug...@juno.com wrote: Well, I talked to binnacle and they are going to do that. -- Original Message -- From: Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:25:39 -0300 Sound like the shipping company should bear the responsibility for the damage. I trust you have filed a complaint with them. Rich (mobile) On 2012-08-03, at 12:28, djhaug...@juno.com djhaug...@juno.com wrote: Yea I just got off the phone their going to send another out today, charge me for it and refund the charge when they get the bent one back. I won't see it before next Wednesday or Thursday, based on this item's shipping time. I really fault the packaging. There was no protection at all for the piece in the box and the box is all beat up. Those guys throw the packages so, one toss, landing right on that mount, corner of the mount digs into the plywood floor of the truck, that's a bend. I could take it somewhere and have it bent back but, I'm not doing it...it'll probably kink.It is a major disappointment...I was going to mount it tomorrow while still on the hard...now I'll have to mount it while afloat...that sucks and they offer me nothing for my inconvenience! -- Original Message -- From: Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:17:38 -0300 Danny: 1. It's very unusual that it's damaged. 2. The Binnacle does a huge amount of i'net business. There is a small but significant amount of fraud and they have learned to be cautious. Nothing personal, simply good business practise. 3. Sorry about the unfortunate inconvenience. Crap happens. Rich KnowlesLF 38HalifaxLong time friend of the Binnacle. On 2012-08-03, at 11:56, djhaug...@juno.com djhaug...@juno.com wrote: Well, I received the ladder yesterday and it is damaged... The packaging was ridiculous! Basically, the thing was covered in a plastic bag and stuffed into a flattened cardboard box with no type of anything to protect the item. So I write, they ask me to email pictures, i'm not at home til tonight, which means they won't get the pics till Monday...that IS BS! They should be overnighting a ladder right now! ...Or, am I off base here?Danny -- Original Message -- From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:30:00 -0700 Hi Rich, Thanks for having a look. So now I see, the 5 step will allow the bottom step to be well below the surface. Good thing. I had to get my head around the Binnacle site images... the detail ones are upside down! Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 12:09 PM 27/07/2012, you wrote: Also: I'd get the 5 step unit for any boat over 27 ft or so. Easier to use. Rich (mobile) On 2012-07-27, at 15:45, Russ Melody russ...@telus.net wrote: Hi Rich, You might want to have a look at the 4 step model too. It may be more appropriate for Danny's boat (size = 33'). Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc
Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL
call them. 800 224-3937 / 902 423-6464 ask if they can trans-ship a replacement. In effect you repackage yours and send it back and they ship a new one right away. Is pretty styandard practice at a lot of outlets Ask for Chris, Robert or Lisa. I think Eric is in charge of the on-line side but any of them should be able to help you Mike From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Well, I received the ladder yesterday and it is damaged... The packaging was ridiculous! Basically, the thing was covered in a plastic bag and stuffed into a flattened cardboard box with no type of anything to protect the item. So I write, they ask me to email pictures, i'm not at home til tonight, which means they won't get the pics till Monday...that IS BS! They should be overnighting a ladder right now! ...Or, am I off base here? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:30:00 -0700 Hi Rich, Thanks for having a look. So now I see, the 5 step will allow the bottom step to be well below the surface. Good thing. I had to get my head around the Binnacle site images... the detail ones are upside down! Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 12:09 PM 27/07/2012, you wrote: Also: I'd get the 5 step unit for any boat over 27 ft or so. Easier to use. Rich (mobile) On 2012-07-27, at 15:45, Russ Melody russ...@telus.net wrote: Hi Rich, You might want to have a look at the 4 step model too. It may be more appropriate for Danny's boat (size = 33'). Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL
Danny, Can you at least use this one as a template for drilling the holes while you are on the hard? Glad splash day is almost here! Joel On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:28 AM, djhaug...@juno.com djhaug...@juno.comwrote: Yea I just got off the phone their going to send another out today, charge me for it and refund the charge when they get the bent one back. I won't see it before next Wednesday or Thursday, based on this item's shipping time. I really fault the packaging. There was no protection at all for the piece in the box and the box is all beat up. Those guys throw the packages so, one toss, landing right on that mount, corner of the mount digs into the plywood floor of the truck, that's a bend. I could take it somewhere and have it bent back but, I'm not doing it...it'll probably kink. It is a major disappointment...I was going to mount it tomorrow while still on the hard...now I'll have to mount it while afloat...that sucks and they offer me nothing for my inconvenience! -- Original Message -- From: Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:17:38 -0300 Danny: 1. It's very unusual that it's damaged. 2. The Binnacle does a huge amount of i'net business. There is a small but significant amount of fraud and they have learned to be cautious. Nothing personal, simply good business practise. 3. Sorry about the unfortunate inconvenience. Crap happens. Rich Knowles LF 38 Halifax Long time friend of the Binnacle. On 2012-08-03, at 11:56, djhaug...@juno.com djhaug...@juno.com wrote: Well, I received the ladder yesterday and it is damaged... The packaging was ridiculous! Basically, the thing was covered in a plastic bag and stuffed into a flattened cardboard box with no type of anything to protect the item. So I write, they ask me to email pictures, i'm not at home til tonight, which means they won't get the pics till Monday...that IS BS! They should be overnighting a ladder right now! ...Or, am I off base here? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:30:00 -0700 Hi Rich, Thanks for having a look. So now I see, the 5 step will allow the bottom step to be well below the surface. Good thing. I had to get my head around the Binnacle site images... the detail ones are upside down! Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35 mk-1 At 12:09 PM 27/07/2012, you wrote: Also: I'd get the 5 step unit for any boat over 27 ft or so. Easier to use. Rich (mobile) On 2012-07-27, at 15:45, Russ Melody russ...@telus.net wrote: Hi Rich, You might want to have a look at the 4 step model too. It may be more appropriate for Danny's boat (size = 33'). Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35 mk-1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL
well, that's the problem...the mount end is what bent so, the spacing is all tweaked. It is bent about 1 toward the other mount... -- Original Message -- From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:00:27 -0400 Danny, Can you at least use this one as a template for drilling the holes while you are on the hard? #65533;Glad splash day is almost here! Joel On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:28 AM, djhaug...@juno.com djhaug...@juno.com wrote: Yea I just got off the phone their going to send another out today, charge me for it and refund the charge when they get the bent one back. #65533;I won't see it#65533;before#65533;next#65533;Wednesday#65533;or#65533;Thursday, based on this item's shipping time. I really fault the packaging. #65533;There was no protection at all for the#65533;piece#65533;in the box and the box is all beat up. #65533;Those guys throw the packages so, one toss, landing right on that mount, corner of the mount digs into the plywood floor of the truck,#65533;that's#65533;a bend. #65533;I could take it somewhere and have it bent back but, I'm not doing it...it'll probably kink.It is a major disappointment...I was going to mount it tomorrow while still on the hard...now I'll have to mount it while afloat...that sucks and they offer me nothing for my#65533;inconvenience! -- Original Message -- From: Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS #65533;#65533;STEELDate: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:17:38 -0300 Danny:#65533;1. It's very unusual that it's damaged.#65533;#65533;2. #65533;The Binnacle does a huge amount of i'net business. There is a small but significant amount of fraud and they have learned to be cautious. Nothing personal, simply good business practise.#65533;3. #65533;Sorry about the unfortunate inconvenience. Crap happens.#65533; Rich KnowlesLF 38HalifaxLong time friend of the Binnacle.#65533; On 2012-08-03, at 11:56, djhaug...@juno.com djhaug...@juno.com wrote: #65533;Well, #65533;I#65533;received#65533;the ladder yesterday and it is damaged... #65533;The packaging was#65533;ridiculous! #65533;Basically, the thing was covered in a plastic bag and stuffed into a flattened#65533;cardboard#65533;box with no type of anything to protect the item. #65533;So I write, they ask me to email pictures, i'm not at home til tonight, which means they won't get the pics till#65533;Monday...that IS BS! #65533;They should be overnighting a ladder right now! #65533;...Or, am I off base here?Danny -- Original Message -- From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS #65533;#65533;STEEL Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:30:00 -0700 Hi Rich, Thanks for having a look. So now I see, the 5 step will allow the bottom step to be well below the surface. Good thing. I had to get my head around the Binnacle site images... the detail ones are upside down! #65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;Cheers, Russ #65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;Sweet 35 mk-1 At 12:09 PM 27/07/2012, you wrote:#65533; Also:#65533; I'd get the 5 step unit for any boat over 27 ft or so. Easier to use. Rich (mobile) On 2012-07-27, at 15:45, Russ Melody russ...@telus.net wrote: Hi Rich, #65533; You might want to have a look at the 4 step model too. It may be more appropriate for Danny's boat (size = 33'). #65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;Cheers, Russ #65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;#65533;Sweet 35 mk-1___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL
Danny, Can the stand-offs be moved? It seems to me that they should be lower than pictured, otherwise the ladder is going to bend. I don't know about the grade of stainless. Joel On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, djhaug...@juno.com djhaug...@juno.comwrote: I'm about to order this ladder. Do any of you have any comments about it? http://us.binnacle.com/p5308/TRANSOM-LADDER-FOR-SAILBOAT-5-STEP-STAINLESS-STEEL/product_info.html#description Danny ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL
Thats great Rich! Thanks!You, maybe, should call first to make sure they have one in stock...? -- Original Message -- From: Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:15:40 -0300 ![endif]--![endif]--Will do. Irsquo;ll email you in an hour or so. From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 3:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL really?? That would be way cool!!! Danny -- Original Message -- From: Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:05:08 -0300 If you need me to, I can drop into the store and have a look for you. Rich Knowles Indigo LF38 Halifax, Nova Scotia From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 12:05 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL yea...it looks like a mis print, but thats a good point. The standoffs seem to be able to move...I'll ask them -- Original Message -- From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:38:46 -0400 Danny, Can the stand-offs be moved? #65533;It seems to me that they should be lower than pictured, otherwise the ladder is going to bend. #65533;I don't know about the grade of stainless. Joel On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, djhaug...@juno.com djhaug...@juno.com wrote: I'm about to order this ladder. #65533;Do any of you have any comments about it? http://us.binnacle.com/p5308/TRANSOM-LADDER-FOR-SAILBOAT-5-STEP-STAINLESS-STEEL/product_info.html#description Danny ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List TRANSOM LADDER FOR SAILBOAT 5 STEP STAINLESS STEEL
Hi Rich, Thanks for having a look. So now I see, the 5 step will allow the bottom step to be well below the surface. Good thing. I had to get my head around the Binnacle site images... the detail ones are upside down! Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 12:09 PM 27/07/2012, you wrote: Also: I'd get the 5 step unit for any boat over 27 ft or so. Easier to use. Rich (mobile) On 2012-07-27, at 15:45, Russ Melody mailto:russ...@telus.netruss...@telus.net wrote: Hi Rich, You might want to have a look at the 4 step model too. It may be more appropriate for Danny's boat (size = 33'). Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com