Re: Stus-List Prettiest C

[Bailey White via CnC-List]

The longer the boat, the prettier it can be.  All the dimensions of human
scale work together as the boats get bigger.  No question to me.

Bailey White
C 36
Atlanta, GA
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Stus-List Stringer and keel repair 35 MK III

[David Swensen via CnC-List]

Unfortunately, I had to haul Feya because of a leaking at the most aft keel
bolt. The surveyor at the yard has determined that the boat was grounded at
one time and there is at least one stringer that has separated from the
hull. ( I wish the surveyor for the purchase found this). When the hull is
sounded in that area, it sounds like there are marbles inside. The plan is
to repair the stringer and rebed and glass in the keel. I will be able to
bring the boat to my backyard and do it on my time. I will have the yard
rebed because they will drop the keel and eval the condition of the bottom
of the keel stub, and repair if necessary. They will also place shims to
decrease play at the joint.

My question is, should the stringer be repaired before or after the keel
hull joint?

Thanks in advance.

David Swensen
Freya
C 35 MK III
Salem, MA
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Stus-List C 99

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I always thought the 99's were rated a bit fast.  In my area we had a 99
which rated, coincidently, 99.  We were about 12 miles down course in
Touche' on a distance race years ago.  We were about to roll over the 99.
They owed us over 30 seconds/mile.  And...they'd actually started 5 minutes
ahead of us.  They saw us and "woke up".  They made some adjustments and
gradually pulled away from us.

Pretty boats.  Would have been prettier behind Touche'.  :)

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:00 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> 9.9 meters or 32 feet. As  someone said, the first of the 99’s was shipped
> out to the Annapolis show with a cobbled up part of an interior (from a
> 110?) and Tim Jackett came with it to show it off. They assembled a crack
> crew and showed if off quite well (and it got a lousy PHRF rating that
> nobody else could quite live up to). That boat was Rabbit. Not the best
> marketing practice if you want to sell boat to mortal people.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> 30-1 #593
>
> St. Michaels MD
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Sailing with a spin thru the lee of a bigger boat

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

9.9 meters or 32 feet. As  someone said, the first of the 99’s was shipped out 
to the Annapolis show with a cobbled up part of an interior (from a 110?) and 
Tim Jackett came with it to show it off. They assembled a crack crew and showed 
if off quite well (and it got a lousy PHRF rating that nobody else could quite 
live up to). That boat was Rabbit. Not the best marketing practice if you want 
to sell boat to mortal people. 

 

Gary

30-1 #593

St. Michaels MD

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joel Delamirande 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Delamirande 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailing with a spin thru the lee of a bigger boat

 

Is 99 mean 99 feet boat

 

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:17 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I think Hull #1 had been modified to do that at some point.  The regular C 99 
comes with symmetric 200% spinnaker and J+1 pole.  A number have since been 
modified to add a small fixed sprit which has total sprit length no longer than 
Spinnaker pole length.  The four racing here (Halifax) do not use the 
sprit/asym a lot.

 

The 99 is a very nice boat

 

Mike Hoyt
Persistence

Halifax

 

From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: July 21, 2020 2:13 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailing with a spin thru the lee of a bigger boat

 

Hi Chuck- I looked at a C 99 when I was buying my boat and it had an integral 
extending pole for an A sail.  I presumed that was standard on the 99, but the 
one in your video doesn’t have one.  Did some have them or was the one I looked 
at modified?  Dave

 

Dr. David Knecht

Professor, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology 

University of Connecticut 

91 N. Eagleville Rd 
 .

U-3125

Storrs, CT 06269-3125

 

 

 

On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:48 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Don, 

I wasn't there, but a crewman aboard the 99 told me the owner has a long 
rivalry with the J-109 which was flying an assymetric on a sprit, also.  He 
told me the 99 is for sale because the owner bought a J-109 cause it's faster 
upwind and points higher.   I find the video quite exciting with so many 
different boats so close together.  The essence of racing. 

 

Chuck   

On 07/21/2020 12:27 PM Donald Kern via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Chuck, 
Good demonstration of what happens when you decide to sail a smaller boat thru 
the lee of a bigger boat.  Especially dead downwind with a A-chute and the 
bigger  has a symmetric chute.   Unless the A-chute was in restricted water or 
closing the mark they should have been maxing their VMG by tacking downwind.  
Brings back memories of those blue and gold chutes - use to skipper the wood 
and first glass NA 44 yawls. Preferred the wood, they were faster; had no 
engines, less weight and drag.  Bristol YC and Herreshoff Marine Museum sponsor 
the boat school's 44s each June for the last 5yrs (missed this year of Offshore 
Training because of CORVID 19). 

Beat Army !! 
  
Don Kern 
Fireball C Mk2 
Bristol, RI 

On 7/21/2020 10:55 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote: 

I focus on the sailing ability in selecting a boat.  If you sail in a steady 
high winds, go big.  But if you are more like the rest of us and have low wind 
predominantly, I would steer toward the smallest, lightest model C that still 
has just enough interior to accommodate my family.  Smaller, lighter, hulls 
move first as the wind builds from a calm while heavier boats struggle until 
the wind gets up over 10 knots.  It takes much less wind to move a 10,000# boat 
than a 20,000# one.  Even less to move a 5000# boat like a 27 footer which has 
standing headroom and can be trailered home for the winter.  They will all sail 
to hullspeed once the wind reaches about 12 knots and then the longer waterline 
boat has a speed advantage, but under 10 knots which is predominantly what we 
sail in, the lighter boats win and are easier to singlehand and dock, etc.  
Check out this video of a C 99, a 32 footer catching a J109 and two Navy 44 
footers in a race. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go 

 

I also prefer the C 34/36 model as I own the racing version w vee berths 
(removable for racing) and settee berths, pilot beths, a full width aft berth 
and two pipe berths.  We rate faster than the 40 and the bigger sister, the 
37/40 rates faster still, though I think the 34/36 was an improvement over it.  

Check out the brochures on Stu's cncphotoalbum.com   

  

 

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R Pasadena, Md 

 

   

On 07/21/2020 9:55 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List   
 wrote: 

 

 

Welcome 

Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Here is a diagram that shows where to lube the clutch eccentrics:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HNjG3Nxe0HabHO0ivSHWfduGj0Kd6VM3/view?usp=sharing
 


Let me know if there are problems viewing it.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT




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Re: Stus-List C 99

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

The 99 has two keels and two masts.  The early ones were aluminum mast and the 
deeper (I think 6.25’ ?) keel.  This was the original design.  A second keel 
option was later introduced that was longer and 5.5’ draft.  About that time a 
carbon mast was introduced.

The fastest boats are the dk carbon mast.  The 5.5 ft keel resulted in more 
weight aft.  There is a noticeable difference in performance between the two 
keels.  In nova scotia we rate the “standard” keel (the 5.5 ft one became 
standard) 6 sec/mile slower at 105 than the DK model at 99.

C later offered a keel conversion kit to try to standardize the boats to the 
5.5 ft keel and many of the original boats took advantage of this.  C also 
dropped production of the DK version.

If you are looking for a 99 and have sufficient water depth go for the DK CF 
mast variant if you can find one.  While all the models are very pretty and 
sail well these sail the best and can perform very close to their rating of 99 
sec/mile.  If you require the shallower draft and like to race .. get as much 
weight out of the cockpit as you can.

The 99 is a great boat.  If you have one or are thinking of getting one then 
consider yourself very lucky!

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing .com

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: July 23, 2020 1:33 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List C 99

I always thought the 99's were rated a bit fast.  In my area we had a 99 which 
rated, coincidently, 99.  We were about 12 miles down course in Touche' on a 
distance race years ago.  We were about to roll over the 99.  They owed us over 
30 seconds/mile.  And...they'd actually started 5 minutes ahead of us.  They 
saw us and "woke up".  They made some adjustments and gradually pulled away 
from us.

Pretty boats.  Would have been prettier behind Touche'.  :)

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:00 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
9.9 meters or 32 feet. As  someone said, the first of the 99’s was shipped out 
to the Annapolis show with a cobbled up part of an interior (from a 110?) and 
Tim Jackett came with it to show it off. They assembled a crack crew and showed 
if off quite well (and it got a lousy PHRF rating that nobody else could quite 
live up to). That boat was Rabbit. Not the best marketing practice if you want 
to sell boat to mortal people.

Gary
30-1 #593
St. Michaels MD


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Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I set it to allow sharing for anyone with the link but for some reason it is 
asking for permission for everyone who tries to use it.  I just sent a 
permission and you should be notified.  Let me know if it works.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Didn’t work for me. . .
> 
> Curious, Lee
> 
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:51 22AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here is a diagram that shows where to lube the clutch eccentrics:
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HNjG3Nxe0HabHO0ivSHWfduGj0Kd6VM3/view?usp=sharing
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Let me know if there are problems viewing it.  Dave
>> 
>> S/V Aries
>> 1990 C 34+
>> New London, CT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
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> s/v Simplicity, a 1974 C 35-II
> Shilshole / Seattle   425-444-9109
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Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Didn’t work the first time but does now.

 

Thanks

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of David Knecht via 
CnC-List
Sent: July-23-20 2:19 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

 

I set it to allow sharing for anyone with the link but for some reason it is 
asking for permission for everyone who tries to use it.  I just sent a 
permission and you should be notified.  Let me know if it works.  Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT








On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Hi David,

 

Didn’t work for me. . .

 

Curious, Lee

 

 

On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:51 22AM, David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Here is a diagram that shows where to lube the clutch eccentrics:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HNjG3Nxe0HabHO0ivSHWfduGj0Kd6VM3/view?usp=sharing

 

Let me know if there are problems viewing it.  Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT


 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi David,

Didn’t work for me. . .

Curious, Lee


> On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:51 22AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is a diagram that shows where to lube the clutch eccentrics:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HNjG3Nxe0HabHO0ivSHWfduGj0Kd6VM3/view?usp=sharing
>  
> 
> 
> Let me know if there are problems viewing it.  Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C 99

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Here the deep keel is 99 and the shoal draft is 105.  They sail well in all 
conditions and handle the 200% spinnaker well.  Ours here are fitted with an 
18” custom made stainless steel sprit which allows us to fly the asymmetrical 
as well.

 

Safe Sailing,

 

Rod Stright



President

C 99 Class Association

Halifax

Nova Scotia

 

 

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: July-23-20 1:33 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List C 99

 

I always thought the 99's were rated a bit fast.  In my area we had a 99 which 
rated, coincidently, 99.  We were about 12 miles down course in Touche' on a 
distance race years ago.  We were about to roll over the 99.  They owed us over 
30 seconds/mile.  And...they'd actually started 5 minutes ahead of us.  They 
saw us and "woke up".  They made some adjustments and gradually pulled away 
from us.

 

Pretty boats.  Would have been prettier behind Touche'.  :)

 

  -- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:00 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

9.9 meters or 32 feet. As  someone said, the first of the 99’s was shipped out 
to the Annapolis show with a cobbled up part of an interior (from a 110?) and 
Tim Jackett came with it to show it off. They assembled a crack crew and showed 
if off quite well (and it got a lousy PHRF rating that nobody else could quite 
live up to). That boat was Rabbit. Not the best marketing practice if you want 
to sell boat to mortal people. 

 

Gary

30-1 #593

St. Michaels MD

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Prettiest C

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

We anchored out in Gig Harbor  last weekend close to Morning Mist, the '73
C 48 on Yachtworld. Very pretty boat and I am generally not overly
interested in classics/classic lines. It appears that the asking price just
dropped last month as well to the new bargain low of $187,000.
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/c-c-custom-48-2420172/




On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 4:07 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the compliment.
>
> I recall a race on the South Shore years ago.  Whistling Wind II was
> inshore of us powered up with a 170 and screaming down the beach.  Really
> impressive sight.  Yes, WWII was a beautiful boat.
>
> Maybe you recall 2003 when Touche', Whistling Wind II and Tiare (a red Cal
> 48? for listers) all won their classes in the LPRC.  As each boat
> representative came up to claim prizes, the crowd would shout "Red boat!
> Red boat!"
>
> Of course, for our success, the PHRF gods docked each of the red boats.  :(
>   --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:07 PM Edward Levert via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Dennis with all due respect the all time prettiest C on Lake
>> Pontchartrain was Whistling Wind II a Redline 41. She unfortunately was a
>> casualty of Hurricane Rita having survived Katrina weeks earlier. That
>> leaves Touché as the current top beauty.
>>
>> Ed Levert
>> C 34 Briar Patch
>> New Orleans
>>
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Stus-List Prettiest C

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Recognizing that prettiest is subjective and that I am partial to the 37/40, I 
have always loved the lines of a C 41 with the C 39 a close second. Simply 
beautiful boats! 
Len Mitchell 
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 

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Re: Stus-List Prettiest C

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

While every boat is beautiful to her owner, I’ll go ahead and agree with you 
there!

Chuck B
C 41
Tenacious
Somerset, MA

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Recognizing that prettiest is subjective and that I am partial to the 37/40, 
> I have always loved the lines of a C 41 with the C 39 a close second. 
> Simply beautiful boats! 
> Len Mitchell 
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On. 
> 
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Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

If you win the lottery put in a proper below deck system!  You are 
dreaming too small...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2020-07-23 2:57 p.m., Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


It is good it is fixed, but that is a little disappointing. I combined 
3 old AH4000 wheel drives into one with the best parts of each to 
solve that issue and I thought to myself “One day I will either win 
the lottery or my wife will be distracted by a sale at the mall and I 
will buy an EV100 and never worry about these things again”.


Another dream shattered!

*/Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I/*

*/www.dellabarba.com/*

*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Rod Stright via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2020 1:37 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Rod Stright 
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

Didn’t work the first time but does now.

Thanks

*From:* CnC-List > *On Behalf Of *David Knecht 
via CnC-List

*Sent:* July-23-20 2:19 PM
*To:* CnC CnC discussion list >
*Cc:* David Knecht >

*Subject:* Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

I set it to allow sharing for anyone with the link but for some reason 
it is asking for permission for everyone who tries to use it.  I just 
sent a permission and you should be notified.  Let me know if it 
works.  Dave


S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT


On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi David,

Didn’t work for me. . .

Curious, Lee

On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:51 22AM, David Knecht via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Here is a diagram that shows where to lube the clutch eccentrics:


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HNjG3Nxe0HabHO0ivSHWfduGj0Kd6VM3/view?usp=sharing

Let me know if there are problems viewing it.  Dave

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




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Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

It is good it is fixed, but that is a little disappointing. I combined 3 old 
AH4000 wheel drives into one with the best parts of each to solve that issue 
and I thought to myself “One day I will either win the lottery or my wife will 
be distracted by a sale at the mall and I will buy an EV100 and never worry 
about these things again”.
Another dream shattered!


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 1:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rod Stright 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

Didn’t work the first time but does now.

Thanks

From: CnC-List 
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Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

I set it to allow sharing for anyone with the link but for some reason it is 
asking for permission for everyone who tries to use it.  I just sent a 
permission and you should be notified.  Let me know if it works.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi David,

Didn’t work for me. . .

Curious, Lee


On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:51 22AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Here is a diagram that shows where to lube the clutch eccentrics:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HNjG3Nxe0HabHO0ivSHWfduGj0Kd6VM3/view?usp=sharing

Let me know if there are problems viewing it.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT




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Re: Stus-List Launching a 34 by forklift

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Here is the forklift you need Steve, except it is kind of stuck at Brewers 
Marine on Lake Oneida.  

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lSl3o-s7kobkbR9ccAaR30E5P6MGHxL_/view?usp=sharing

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Stus-List Launching a 34 by forklift

 

Stephan;

 

Here is my response to your question from 3 weeks ago:

 

The (relatively few) marina trucks we built while I was incharge of 
applications engineering at Hyster Company usually had forks about 12 to 16 
feet long and were rated at a load center 48” out from the face of the forks. 
But power boats tend to have all the heavy stuff like tankage, engine, 
outdrive, etc in the aft end of the boat. Picking up a 32 foot power boat from 
the aft end is a pretty straightforward thing to do, because the center of 
gravity of the boat is likely in the aft 25% of the boat.

 

You have several thousand pounds of keel about 17 feet in front of the transom, 
and the center of gravity of a sailboat is, by design, pretty near the center 
of the boat. The dry sailed boats around here are generally launched by travel 
lift the day before race day.

 

That said, your marina operator knows his machinery, and he’s liable for any 
damage if he drops the boat. YMMV, but be careful.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump check valve

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My primary was led out the starboard side…one day I realized it could give a 
fellow club member a snootful on the launch if the timing was wrong.  Changed 
the primary to new port outlet (ohhh it hurt drilling that hole) and the 
emergency (OMIGODWEREGONNASINK!) to that starboard outlet.

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump check valve

Yep!  That's where Touche's bilge discharge is located.  Right under the toe 
rail midships portside.  And right now, it's docked portside to on a floating 
pier.  My 1500 gph pump can throw a nice spurt onto the pier.  :)  The Admiral 
and I call it the "spurt zone" and know to avoid it.

I have to remember to turn the pump off when I'm waxing the portside.

The bilge/sump on the 35-1 is so small that when the pump activates, it 
essentially just fills the hose.  Early on, it just pumped water up the hose 
where it simply drained back into the sump, repeatedly.

I opted for the shortest length of hose and the Bosworth check valve.  Perhaps 
not the ideal configuration for dock "etiquette" or for when the port toe rail 
is buried but certainly effective emptying the bilge.
  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
David,

A discharge just below the toe rail on the stern corner is good since it is 
very unlikely to become submerged under any circumstance.  Unfortunately that 
could mean that those standing on the dock or swimming near by might get a 
surprise if/when the pump runs.
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Re: Stus-List Launching a 34 by forklift

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Nice machine

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM Rob Ball via CnC-List 
wrote:

> THAT would do it . . . . .
>
>
>
> Rob BallC 34
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Re: Stus-List Launching a 34 by forklift

[Matthew via CnC-List]

That’s one big-ass forklift.  Now I get it.

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Nathan Post via 
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 4:58 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nathan Post 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Launching a 34 by forklift

 

This is an example of a safe way to safely pick up a 34 ft boat with a large 
forklift (care of 59-North on facebook):

https://www.facebook.com/59North/photos/a.1498332766863951/3329478570416019

https://www.facebook.com/59North/photos/a.1498332766863951/3329478680416008

I think that method is much better than trying from the end as it keeps the cg 
much closer to the forklift (6 ft or so out) and uses straps to support the 
boat similar to a travel lift.  Of course, it will take a lot of room to 
maneuver!

 

~~~
Nathan Post

S/V Wisper

1981 C 34

Lynn, MA USA

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Re: Stus-List Stringer and keel repair 35 MK III

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Davis,

This is a very good question. I would drop the 
keel and restore the stringer/hull integrity first!


This is the basis of your keel/hull interface.

The rebed of keel is fairly routine once this is done.

Cheers, Russ




At 04:52 PM 7/23/2020, you wrote:
Unfortunately, I had to haul Feya because of a 
leaking at the most aft keel bolt. The surveyor 
at the yard has determined that the boat was 
grounded at one time and there is at least one 
stringer that has separated from the hull. ( I 
wish the surveyor for the purchase found this). 
When the hull is sounded in that area, it sounds 
like there are marbles inside. The plan is to 
repair the stringer and rebed and glass in the 
keel. I will be able to bring the boat to my 
backyard and do it on my time. I will have the 
yard rebed because they will drop the keel and 
eval the condition of the bottom of the keel 
stub, and repair if necessary. They will also 
place shims to decrease play at the joint.Â


My question is, should the stringer be repaired 
before or after the keel hull joint?Â


Thanks in advance.

David Swensen
Freya
C 35 MK III
Salem, MA
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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump check valve

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

That is the one I was looking at, so thanks for confirming.  Not easy to find, 
but Bosworth has a non-obvious direct order system where you can get anything 
and their customer service was great.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Install a Bosworth Sea-Lect check valve or very similar.  When you install it 
> orient it so the hinge on the valve is at the top.
> 
> I've had one in Touche' for about 20 years with no issues.
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 8:14 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I had a periodic problem with water coming in the bilge pump under certain 
> conditions.  It seems that when the bilge pump outlet was under water, 
> usually when motoring, water could flow under pressure through the bilge 
> pump.  This seemed not to be a siphon, but a water pressure situation since 
> it stopped when the boat slowed down (making it difficult to diagnose, of 
> course).  I installed a check valve in the bilge pump line and the problem 
> stopped for several years.  It happened again last weekend while motor 
> sailing in swells, so I am planning to replace the check valve.  I vaguely 
> remember someone suggesting a particular brand of check valve as working 
> particularaly well, but I can’t find the post.  Reviews I have seen on 
> various sites have complaints about all of them, so hard to choose. I think I 
> have the Whale no-return valve now.   Anyone have a brand suggestion?  
> Thanks- Dave
> 
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Thanks David. Worked from the first try.

Marek

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From: David Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:52
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Re: Stus-List EV100 Wheel Pilot clutch

Here is a diagram that shows where to lube the clutch eccentrics:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HNjG3Nxe0HabHO0ivSHWfduGj0Kd6VM3/view?usp=sharing

Let me know if there are problems viewing it.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Launching a 34 by forklift

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

This is an example of a safe way to safely pick up a 34 ft boat with a
large forklift (care of 59-North on facebook):
https://www.facebook.com/59North/photos/a.1498332766863951/3329478570416019
https://www.facebook.com/59North/photos/a.1498332766863951/3329478680416008
I think that method is much better than trying from the end as it keeps the
cg much closer to the forklift (6 ft or so out) and uses straps to support
the boat similar to a travel lift.  Of course, it will take a lot of room
to maneuver!

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA USA
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Re: Stus-List Launching a 34 by forklift

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THAT would do it . . . . .

Rob BallC 34
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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump check valve

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

David,

I didn't know the name but definitely recognized the design.  The Bosworth
is the type which I installed.  I have one in the drain line for the port
side head sink drain also.  The 37+ owners regularly report that on strong
starboard tacks the head sink will backup and over flow as a result of the
drain piping going below the water line.  I try to just keep the thru-hull
closed but if I forget then the check valve is a good backup.

If you are getting forceful back flow in your bilge then I would suggest
changing the discharge path/location of your bilge pump.  A discharge just
below the toe rail on the stern corner is good since it is very unlikely to
become submerged under any circumstance.  Unfortunately that could mean
that those standing on the dock or swimming near by might get a surprise
if/when the pump runs.  If a lower location is selected then at least try
to keep it as high off the water line as possible during all points of
sail.  In this case also route the hose to include a high point loop that
gets as near the top center of the boat as possible to prevent a siphon.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 15:47 David Knecht via CnC-List 
wrote:

> That is the one I was looking at, so thanks for confirming.  Not easy to
> find, but Bosworth has a non-obvious direct order system where you can get
> anything and their customer service was great.  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Install a Bosworth Sea-Lect check valve or very similar.  When you install
> it orient it so the hinge on the valve is at the top.
>
> I've had one in Touche' for about 20 years with no issues.
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 8:14 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I had a periodic problem with water coming in the bilge pump under
>> certain conditions.  It seems that when the bilge pump outlet was under
>> water, usually when motoring, water could flow under pressure through the
>> bilge pump.  This seemed not to be a siphon, but a water pressure situation
>> since it stopped when the boat slowed down (making it difficult to
>> diagnose, of course).  I installed a check valve in the bilge pump line and
>> the problem stopped for several years.  It happened again last weekend
>> while motor sailing in swells, so I am planning to replace the check
>> valve.  I vaguely remember someone suggesting a particular brand of check
>> valve as working particularaly well, but I can’t find the post.  Reviews I
>> have seen on various sites have complaints about all of them, so hard to
>> choose. I think I have the Whale no-return valve now.   Anyone have a brand
>> suggestion?  Thanks- Dave
>>
>> David Knecht
>> S/V Aries
>> 1990 C 34+
>> New London, CT
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump check valve

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

They do, but more limited size and range.  Bosworth has 5 different types of 
flapper materials as well as barbed and smooth ended versions.  All are 
available directly at roughly the same price.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think Fisheries Supply sell them
>  
> Bill Coleman
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 3:47 PM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list
> Cc: David Knecht
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump check valve
>  
> That is the one I was looking at, so thanks for confirming.  Not easy to 
> find, but Bosworth has a non-obvious direct order system where you can get 
> anything and their customer service was great.  Dave
>  
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  > wrote:
>  
> Install a Bosworth Sea-Lect check valve or very similar.  When you install it 
> orient it so the hinge on the valve is at the top.
>  
> I've had one in Touche' for about 20 years with no issues.

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Stus-List Wally Bryant considering shutting down his Facebook page

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

As you probably know, Wally shut down his web page a couple of years ago after 
people wanted him to make it phone-friendly and it was too much work. He did 
set up a Facebook page. If you want him to keep it going you had better let him 
know. 

Most of us have learned by vicarious experience from his well-documented refit 
and I for one sure wish he was able to keep the website going. If the Facebook 
page goes, well that is it. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
C MKI 

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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump check valve

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Yep!  That's where Touche's bilge discharge is located.  Right under the
toe rail midships portside.  And right now, it's docked portside to on a
floating pier.  My 1500 gph pump can throw a nice spurt onto the pier.  :)
The Admiral and I call it the "spurt zone" and know to avoid it.

I have to remember to turn the pump off when I'm waxing the portside.

The bilge/sump on the 35-1 is so small that when the pump activates, it
essentially just fills the hose.  Early on, it just pumped water up the
hose where it simply drained back into the sump, repeatedly.

I opted for the shortest length of hose and the Bosworth check valve.
Perhaps not the ideal configuration for dock "etiquette" or for when the
port toe rail is buried but certainly effective emptying the bilge.
  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> A discharge just below the toe rail on the stern corner is good since it
> is very unlikely to become submerged under any circumstance.  Unfortunately
> that could mean that those standing on the dock or swimming near by might
> get a surprise if/when the pump runs.
>
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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump check valve

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I think Fisheries Supply sell them

 

Bill Coleman

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 3:47 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump check valve

 

That is the one I was looking at, so thanks for confirming.  Not easy to find, 
but Bosworth has a non-obvious direct order system where you can get anything 
and their customer service was great.  Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT








On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

 

Install a Bosworth Sea-Lect check valve or very similar.  When you install it 
orient it so the hinge on the valve is at the top.

 

I've had one in Touche' for about 20 years with no issues.

 

-- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 8:14 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I had a periodic problem with water coming in the bilge pump under certain 
conditions.  It seems that when the bilge pump outlet was under water, usually 
when motoring, water could flow under pressure through the bilge pump.  This 
seemed not to be a siphon, but a water pressure situation since it stopped when 
the boat slowed down (making it difficult to diagnose, of course).  I installed 
a check valve in the bilge pump line and the problem stopped for several years. 
 It happened again last weekend while motor sailing in swells, so I am planning 
to replace the check valve.  I vaguely remember someone suggesting a particular 
brand of check valve as working particularaly well, but I can’t find the post.  
Reviews I have seen on various sites have complaints about all of them, so hard 
to choose. I think I have the Whale no-return valve now.   Anyone have a brand 
suggestion?  Thanks- Dave

 

David Knecht

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT


 

 

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Re: Stus-List Launching a 34 by forklift

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Try this link.

I had to be coached by my daughter, I thought the previous one was public.

 

Here is the forklift you need Steve, except it is kind of stuck at Brewerton 
Marine on Lake Oneida.  

 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kZZawmFp3Mhr_u6H2nxIFJrQTGE_21a6?usp=sharing

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA

 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Stus-List Launching a 34 by forklift

 

Stephan;

 

Here is my response to your question from 3 weeks ago:

 

The (relatively few) marina trucks we built while I was incharge of 
applications engineering at Hyster Company usually had forks about 12 to 16 
feet long and were rated at a load center 48” out from the face of the forks. 
But power boats tend to have all the heavy stuff like tankage, engine, 
outdrive, etc in the aft end of the boat. Picking up a 32 foot power boat from 
the aft end is a pretty straightforward thing to do, because the center of 
gravity of the boat is likely in the aft 25% of the boat.

 

You have several thousand pounds of keel about 17 feet in front of the transom, 
and the center of gravity of a sailboat is, by design, pretty near the center 
of the boat. The dry sailed boats around here are generally launched by travel 
lift the day before race day.

 

That said, your marina operator knows his machinery, and he’s liable for any 
damage if he drops the boat. YMMV, but be careful.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

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