Re: [cobirds] Birders too close to a rare bird--Pella Crossing

[SeEttaM]

Too much "Whatabout-ism" being preached. It is ridiculous that some keep
making excuses for selfish persons who not only unnecessarily disturb some
poor bird that ask to be a rarity but interfere with others who are wanted
to see the bird also.  Call out these selfish birders or photos, whichever
they are.

SeEtta Moss

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022, 2:51 PM Kathleen Sullivan  wrote:

> This morning at about 9:00 I was headed to Heron Pond to see the
> Yellow-crowned Night Heron and witnessed another incident of bad birder
> behavior.   Two birders in the parking lot were just ahead of me and headed
> to the North shore.  I was going at it from the south shore and I met an
> experienced birder who had just seen the bird (within the half hour) and
> gotten a photo and she volunteered to take me right where she had seen it.
> Then from across the pond we saw the two birders I had originally seen at
> the parking lot crawling down the bank almost to the shoreline right where
> the bird had been seen.
>
>
>
> We could not find it again with my scope and her good camera plus another
> man came up who had also seen it from that spot just before.  We stood
> there for half an hour and the two were there for quite awhile but the
> heron did not show obviously driven into the reeds.  Amazingly, some other
> people who did not appear to be birders but had a camera also crawled down
> the bank.
>
>
>
> Folks, we’ve got to get a handle on this.  Please do not approach birds,
> play tape, or do anything that will disturb them.  In addition if you see
> something, say something.  Thank you.  I assure you that if those birders
> were not on the other side of the pond, they would have gotten some
> feedback from me!   Sorry for this long post but it’s important.
>
>
>
> Kathleen “Sully” Sullivan, CFO member, former Board member Boulder Audubon
> Chapter.
>
> Boulder, CO.
>
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Re: [cobirds] Birders too close to a rare bird--Pella Crossing

['Deborah Carstensen' via Colorado Birds]

I’m wondering if people are taking the time to educate people doing this. If 
done in a non-confrontational, friendly manner, peoples choices can be changed 
by a better understanding of how their behavior affects wildlife.

Obviously it’s not always a good idea to do this, but I find it helpful when I 
can. I volunteered in Indian peaks wilderness for eight years doing the same 
thing. Non-confrontational education can make a big difference in peoples 
behavior. Most people want to do the right thing and a lot of people don’t 
understand how their behavior affects the environment or the animals . Many 
will make a different choice next time. ( Starting with a nice chat about how 
cool the bird is followed by a “we’re you aware…” statement.)

 Don’t try to do this if it doesn’t feel right to you but, if it does, 
please do.

Deb Carstensen, Arapahoe county 
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> On Nov 2, 2022, at 7:01 PM, David Suddjian  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you, Ted, for this interesting shift in view on this point. 
> 
> I've been thinking lately on my field trips about the disturbance we birders 
> cause to bird activity through our regular everyday birding. Birds flush, or 
> move away, or otherwise interrupt their normal activities as we approach and 
> watch, and point and call out our finds, as we pull up the car to look or get 
> out of the car. At some locations there are multiple and varied sources of 
> human and other disturbance over the course of a day. This is reality, and it 
> is inevitable in the way we do things to find and enjoy birds. Why, I 
> interrupt and flush my feeder birds everytime I go out the front door, but I 
> don't think it harms them much or any. 
> 
> I think the key is not to deliberately, unnecessarily and repeatedly press 
> birds so that they move or interrupt their actions. This is most problematic 
> when "rare birds" or others that folks really want to see or "get" are sought 
> after intensely by birders over a period of days. But except for our 
> difficulty in seeing the bird ourselves after it has been disturbed, it is 
> often hard to assess what the actual impact is under normal conditions.  I'm 
> not saying there is no impact, but what exactly is it really? Much birder 
> disturbance goes unappreciated by others in the birding community. Several 
> years ago I helped put a good Ovenbird spot on the map with a hotspot in Deer 
> Creek Canyon in JeffCo. I've since wondered about the birders who go up there 
> to that same stretch of road each May and June and play recordings at the 
> Ovenbirds to try to draw them into view. There are countless occasions like 
> that.
> 
> David Suddjian
> Ken Caryl Valley
> Littleton, CO
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 6:22 PM Ted Floyd  wrote:
>> Hey, all.
>> 
>> Here's a somewhat different perspective on flushing birds:
>> 
>> https://www.aba.org/how-to-know-the-birds-no-53-the-situational-ethics-of-seeing-a-gadwall/
>> 
>> Ted Floyd
>> Lafayette, Boulder County
>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 2:51 PM Kathleen Sullivan  wrote:
>>> This morning at about 9:00 I was headed to Heron Pond to see the 
>>> Yellow-crowned Night Heron and witnessed another incident of bad birder 
>>> behavior.   Two birders in the parking lot were just ahead of me and headed 
>>> to the North shore.  I was going at it from the south shore and I met an 
>>> experienced birder who had just seen the bird (within the half hour) and 
>>> gotten a photo and she volunteered to take me right where she had seen it.  
>>> Then from across the pond we saw the two birders I had originally seen at 
>>> the parking lot crawling down the bank almost to the shoreline right where 
>>> the bird had been seen.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We could not find it again with my scope and her good camera plus another 
>>> man came up who had also seen it from that spot just before.  We stood 
>>> there for half an hour and the two were there for quite awhile but the 
>>> heron did not show obviously driven into the reeds.  Amazingly, some other 
>>> people who did not appear to be birders but had a camera also crawled down 
>>> the bank. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Folks, we’ve got to get a handle on this.  Please do not approach birds, 
>>> play tape, or do anything that will disturb them.  In addition if you see 
>>> something, say something.  Thank you.  I assure you that if those birders 
>>> were not on the other side of the pond, they would have gotten some 
>>> feedback from me!   Sorry for this long post but it’s important.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Kathleen “Sully” Sullivan, CFO member, former Board member Boulder Audubon 
>>> Chapter.
>>> 
>>> Boulder, CO.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
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Re: [cobirds] Birders too close to a rare bird--Pella Crossing

[David Suddjian]

Thank you, Ted, for this interesting shift in view on this point.

I've been thinking lately on my field trips about the disturbance we
birders cause to bird activity through our regular everyday birding. Birds
flush, or move away, or otherwise interrupt their normal activities as we
approach and watch, and point and call out our finds, as we pull up the car
to look or get out of the car. At some locations there are multiple and
varied sources of human and other disturbance over the course of a day.
This is reality, and it is inevitable in the way we do things to find and
enjoy birds. Why, I interrupt and flush my feeder birds everytime I go out
the front door, but I don't think it harms them much or any.

I think the key is not to deliberately, unnecessarily and repeatedly press
birds so that they move or interrupt their actions. This is most
problematic when "rare birds" or others that folks really want to see or
"get" are sought after intensely by birders over a period of days. But
except for our difficulty in seeing the bird ourselves after it has been
disturbed, it is often hard to assess what the actual impact is under
normal conditions.  I'm not saying there is no impact, but what exactly is
it really? Much birder disturbance goes unappreciated by others in the
birding community. Several years ago I helped put a good Ovenbird spot on
the map with a hotspot in Deer Creek Canyon in JeffCo. I've since
wondered about the birders who go up there to that same stretch of road
each May and June and play recordings at the Ovenbirds to try to draw them
into view. There are countless occasions like that.

David Suddjian
Ken Caryl Valley
Littleton, CO

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 6:22 PM Ted Floyd  wrote:

> Hey, all.
>
> Here's a somewhat different perspective on flushing birds:
>
>
> https://www.aba.org/how-to-know-the-birds-no-53-the-situational-ethics-of-seeing-a-gadwall/
>
> Ted Floyd
> Lafayette, Boulder County
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 2:51 PM Kathleen Sullivan  wrote:
>
>> This morning at about 9:00 I was headed to Heron Pond to see the
>> Yellow-crowned Night Heron and witnessed another incident of bad birder
>> behavior.   Two birders in the parking lot were just ahead of me and headed
>> to the North shore.  I was going at it from the south shore and I met an
>> experienced birder who had just seen the bird (within the half hour) and
>> gotten a photo and she volunteered to take me right where she had seen it.
>> Then from across the pond we saw the two birders I had originally seen at
>> the parking lot crawling down the bank almost to the shoreline right where
>> the bird had been seen.
>>
>>
>>
>> We could not find it again with my scope and her good camera plus another
>> man came up who had also seen it from that spot just before.  We stood
>> there for half an hour and the two were there for quite awhile but the
>> heron did not show obviously driven into the reeds.  Amazingly, some other
>> people who did not appear to be birders but had a camera also crawled down
>> the bank.
>>
>>
>>
>> Folks, we’ve got to get a handle on this.  Please do not approach birds,
>> play tape, or do anything that will disturb them.  In addition if you see
>> something, say something.  Thank you.  I assure you that if those birders
>> were not on the other side of the pond, they would have gotten some
>> feedback from me!   Sorry for this long post but it’s important.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kathleen “Sully” Sullivan, CFO member, former Board member Boulder
>> Audubon Chapter.
>>
>> Boulder, CO.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Windows
>>
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Re: [cobirds] Birders too close to a rare bird--Pella Crossing

[Ted Floyd]

Hey, all.

Here's a somewhat different perspective on flushing birds:

https://www.aba.org/how-to-know-the-birds-no-53-the-situational-ethics-of-seeing-a-gadwall/

Ted Floyd
Lafayette, Boulder County

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 2:51 PM Kathleen Sullivan  wrote:

> This morning at about 9:00 I was headed to Heron Pond to see the
> Yellow-crowned Night Heron and witnessed another incident of bad birder
> behavior.   Two birders in the parking lot were just ahead of me and headed
> to the North shore.  I was going at it from the south shore and I met an
> experienced birder who had just seen the bird (within the half hour) and
> gotten a photo and she volunteered to take me right where she had seen it.
> Then from across the pond we saw the two birders I had originally seen at
> the parking lot crawling down the bank almost to the shoreline right where
> the bird had been seen.
>
>
>
> We could not find it again with my scope and her good camera plus another
> man came up who had also seen it from that spot just before.  We stood
> there for half an hour and the two were there for quite awhile but the
> heron did not show obviously driven into the reeds.  Amazingly, some other
> people who did not appear to be birders but had a camera also crawled down
> the bank.
>
>
>
> Folks, we’ve got to get a handle on this.  Please do not approach birds,
> play tape, or do anything that will disturb them.  In addition if you see
> something, say something.  Thank you.  I assure you that if those birders
> were not on the other side of the pond, they would have gotten some
> feedback from me!   Sorry for this long post but it’s important.
>
>
>
> Kathleen “Sully” Sullivan, CFO member, former Board member Boulder Audubon
> Chapter.
>
> Boulder, CO.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows
>
>
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[cobirds] Re: Birders too close to a rare bird--Pella Crossing

[Adrian Lakin]

Almost the same thing happened when I was viewing the Yellow-crowned 
Night-heron at Pella 2 days ago. This other birder was also on the north 
shore. He didn't crawl all the way down the bank, but got WAY too close to 
the heron and forced it to retreat into the undergrowth. This "birder" had 
a camera with a large lens, so he could've got a picture from my vantage 
point on the south shore, but he obviously wanted the perfect picture. I 
would've had words with him, but he left before I could do so.

Adrian Lakin,
Mead, CO

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 2:51:55 PM UTC-6 kathleen wrote:

> This morning at about 9:00 I was headed to Heron Pond to see the 
> Yellow-crowned Night Heron and witnessed another incident of bad birder 
> behavior.   Two birders in the parking lot were just ahead of me and headed 
> to the North shore.  I was going at it from the south shore and I met an 
> experienced birder who had just seen the bird (within the half hour) and 
> gotten a photo and she volunteered to take me right where she had seen it.  
> Then from across the pond we saw the two birders I had originally seen at 
> the parking lot crawling down the bank almost to the shoreline right where 
> the bird had been seen.
>
>  
>
> We could not find it again with my scope and her good camera plus another 
> man came up who had also seen it from that spot just before.  We stood 
> there for half an hour and the two were there for quite awhile but the 
> heron did not show obviously driven into the reeds.  Amazingly, some other 
> people who did not appear to be birders but had a camera also crawled down 
> the bank.  
>
>  
>
> Folks, we’ve got to get a handle on this.  Please do not approach birds, 
> play tape, or do anything that will disturb them.  In addition if you see 
> something, say something.  Thank you.  I assure you that if those birders 
> were not on the other side of the pond, they would have gotten some 
> feedback from me!   Sorry for this long post but it’s important.
>
>  
>
> Kathleen “Sully” Sullivan, CFO member, former Board member Boulder Audubon 
> Chapter.
>
> Boulder, CO. 
>
>  
>
> Sent from Mail  for 
> Windows
>
>  
>

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[cobirds] Birders too close to a rare bird--Pella Crossing

[Kathleen Sullivan]

This morning at about 9:00 I was headed to Heron Pond to see the Yellow-crowned 
Night Heron and witnessed another incident of bad birder behavior.   Two 
birders in the parking lot were just ahead of me and headed to the North shore. 
 I was going at it from the south shore and I met an experienced birder who had 
just seen the bird (within the half hour) and gotten a photo and she 
volunteered to take me right where she had seen it.  Then from across the pond 
we saw the two birders I had originally seen at the parking lot crawling down 
the bank almost to the shoreline right where the bird had been seen.

We could not find it again with my scope and her good camera plus another man 
came up who had also seen it from that spot just before.  We stood there for 
half an hour and the two were there for quite awhile but the heron did not show 
obviously driven into the reeds.  Amazingly, some other people who did not 
appear to be birders but had a camera also crawled down the bank.  

Folks, we’ve got to get a handle on this.  Please do not approach birds, play 
tape, or do anything that will disturb them.  In addition if you see something, 
say something.  Thank you.  I assure you that if those birders were not on the 
other side of the pond, they would have gotten some feedback from me!   Sorry 
for this long post but it’s important.

Kathleen “Sully” Sullivan, CFO member, former Board member Boulder Audubon 
Chapter.
Boulder, CO. 

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[cobirds] Ruby-crowned Kinglet, Louisville

[Paula Hansley]

CObirders,

On a hike with the Boulder Bird Club this morning along the wooded section
of the Coal Creek Trail south of old town Louisville, Valerie and I saw a
Ruby-crowned Kinglet…with one foot!  It was with a small flock of birds
including Black-capped Chickadees, Downy Woodpeckers, various Dark-eyed
Junco ssp. , White and Red-breasted Nuthatches, robins, flickers, etc.
eating in several trees by the creek.  There was obviously something good
to eat in those trees!

The whole group was also able to witness an adult Bald Eagle being mobbed
by crows, ravens, and red-tailed hawks get dive-bombed by a Prairie Falcon.

Paula Hansley
Louisville
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