Re: [cobirds] AOU, Changing bird names

[Pamela Dowd]

Mark’s comments are well stated. What does it matter the names when over 1000 birds die in one night crashing into buildings. Is not more important to focus on both protecting the birds and the environment than to be a part of rewriting history to cover a past that makes some people feel uncomfortable.  Thousands of dead migrating birds make me feel uncomfortable. Before moving to Colorado I helped picked up those birds. Respectfully,Pam MunroeParker, COSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 3, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Susan Rosine  wrote:WELL PUT! BRAVO!!SusanOn Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 11:07 AM Mark Minner-lee  wrote:It’s been forever since I’ve seen such a passionate conversation about a birding topic so I’ll throw my two cents in.1.  Call the birds whatever you want, my priority in life is to enjoy them and advocate for their continued existence.  The name in my humble opinion the name has only been a marker of distinction not of importance.  2. If people are truly not interested in helping with conservation/protection over the name of a bird then they are already not focused on helping birds anyway.  Changing the name isn’t going to make a difference in driving their ultimate support.3.  Let’s stop stepping over hundred dollar bills to pick up pennies - there are a multitude of issues with more significance and impact that we can devote our energy to if it is the welfare or birds that we are truly interested in.    Let’s make the changes and move on to bigger and better things!In other words at the end of the day just go out and keep enjoying birds while they are still here - the names do not matter.Regards,Mark Minner-LeeErie, COSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 3, 2023, at 9:19 AM, Susan Rosine  wrote:I would vote for Marsh Hawk, Sunrise Phoebe and Stellar Jay! I would also like Rufous-sided Towhee back. The ones in the Pacific Northwest aren't very spotted, and have more rufous than ones in Colorado. Susan Rosine Brighton On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 9:10 AM Peter Ruprecht  wrote:Megan's suggestion for a wonderfully lyrical new name for our "dryland phoebe" delights me. A descriptive name is an improvement over an eponym, but a descriptive name that poetically celebrates the essence of the bird is even better. "Thick-billed" certainly beats "McCown's", but does it really do justice to a bird whose buoyant song-flight over an open prairie at dawn is a true wonder of nature? Perhaps we can follow the example of the odonates community who standardized the common names for dragonflies with creative and mellifluous ones like "boghaunter" and "sundragon".If we think about naming a species for its habitat, let's keep in mind that its breeding habitat or the area that we most associate with it might not be where it lives for most of the year. In Colorado, Lincoln's Sparrow could accurately be called Willow Sparrow, but that might be confusing to people who see it in its nonbreeding range (where it spends the majority of its time). Similarly with Baird's -> Tundra Sandpiper.We may also want to consider the current preferred names for parts of a bird, particularly the upper front of the torso. These days, something like "Crescent-chested" sounds better to a lot of people than "Buff-breasted".Finally, while we're at it, could we please consider reverting Northern Harrier to Marsh Hawk? :)Peter RuprechtSuperiorOn Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 11:04 PM Megan Miller  wrote:I am a freshly minted 31 year old and I have been part of Colorados birding community for around 20 years. I grew up here, found my passion for birds and wildlife here, and built a career out of it. It was very difficult and now that I am here the path forward doesn’t feel any easier. We still have great challenges to overcome to create a better planet for birds and people. A few years ago when discussion about changing bird names moved through twitter and instagram I was also initially hesitant. I love Wilson’s Warblers with all of my heart. But the more I learned about some (but not all) of the men that described these species the more it seemed that they were murderers first and avian hobbyists on the side. I think there are plenty of platforms to remember the people who described and categorized all these birds and it’s time to move on to new naming conventions. I know for a lot of younger birders this feels important because we feel we have so little power the change our world for the better. It feels like a tiny step to building a community fitting to our and future generations. I do think it’s inevitable and it is only a small change considering the changes that could face us in the coming years. I think Says Phoebe should be called Sunrise Phoebe. Megan MillerPueblo, Co 




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RE: [cobirds] House Sparrow Behavior - DIA (Denver)

[Pamela Dowd]

During my travels (and I can’t remember the airport) I’ve actually seen and 
interesting “trapping tent” set up with food, water and greenery into which the 
sparrows could enter and not escape.  When I questioned a security guard he 
indicated a volunteer birding group came on a weekly basis and removed the 
birds, kept the space clean, and refreshed the supplies.  They then released 
the birds outdoors.

 

Whether this was true or just a story they tell “birders” I don’t know.  And, 
unfortunately I can’t remember what airport it was.

 

Pam Dowd

Parker,

Douglas County

 

From: cobirds@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ira 
Sanders
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 10:13 AM
To: Janeal Thompson 
Cc: Jared Del Rosso ; Colorado Birds 

Subject: Re: [cobirds] House Sparrow Behavior - DIA (Denver)

 

When DIA was built, a number of birds were trapped inside the building and the 
staff used to have a bird feeder set up to help them survive.  Management put 
the kibosh on that and the last time I saw the sparrows in DIA they seemed to 
be surviving off the garbage left by travelers but spent a lot of time looking 
out the windows.

 

Ira Sanders

Golden

 

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 4:35 PM Janeal Thompson mailto:janealthomp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Interesting observation, Jared, thank you for sharing.

 

Janeal Thompson

Lamar, CO

 

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 10:31 AM Jared Del Rosso mailto:jared.delro...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I spent this morning at Denver International Airport (Denver Co.), having 
rescheduled an early Thursday flight to today. Well before sunrise, around 4:45 
AM, I watched a female House Sparrow "foraging" in the upstairs section of the 
A terminal. It's not unusual to see House Sparrows in airports, but it was neat 
to see this one up for my well-lit, indoor, "nocturnal" eBird checklist.

 

Even neater was the bird's drinking behavior. A little later (though still 
before dawn), the sparrow followed me to the water fountain, drinking after I 
did. I actually had lost track of the bird, but it clearly hadn't lost track of 
me, for it was drinking water left in the fountain before I even made it back 
to my seat. Makes me think it rather closely watches travelers and that water 
source.

 

- Jared Del Rosso

Centennial, CO 

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