Re: [cobirds] History - Old bird checklists

[Diana Beatty]

 modern-day concerns with tall buildings, glass windows, and poorly situated
> wind turbines. He was on an October horseback trip between Denver and
> Cheyenne WY, and recorded over several miles the number & type of dead
> birds (mostly horned larks) found underneath the recently strung telegraph
> wires stretching along much of his route, and from that projected a rough
> estimate that "...many hundred thousand birds are yearly killed by the
> telegraph..." [https://archive.org/details/jstor-2448602/page/n1/mode/2up]
>
> Anyways... Ornithological history is great stuff and will only be enriched
> by having the records of Hugh and other local & travelling birders
> preserved. And as Ted Floyd recommends (as far as ebird entries) be SURE to
> include context & comments from those original checklists/journals! It's
> not just the species & numbers.
>
> Good birding, researching & data-entering.
>
> Marty Wolf
> NW CO Springs
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:13 PM Jared Del Rosso 
> wrote:
>
>> I want to just agree with everything said already about Hugh's checklists.
>>
>> And also, while we've been on the subject of historical checklists, I
>> want to add this -- if anyone would like a bit of fun, check out the below
>> article from 1917 by W.H. Bergtold, in which he describes his sightings
>> around Denver (mainly Cheesman Park, where he resided). I encountered this
>> essay several years ago, when I was also birding Cheesman. I particularly
>> appreciated his note that Poorwills are "Infrequent migrants" to Cheesman
>> Park, a fact several of us relearned about a full century after Bergtold
>> documented it. But most tantalizing is his note that Long-eared Owls are
>> "Frequent visitors to all the parks."
>>
>> Find the article here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4154774. It should
>> be readily available, as it's public domain...
>>
>> Bergtold also published a fascinating essay, albeit a profoundly hostile
>> one, on House Sparrows; if my memory of it is right, he celebrated the
>> introduction of automobiles as depriving House Sparrows of their favorite
>> food (horse droppings) and putting them at risk of accidental deaths to
>> strikes with automobiles.
>>
>> - Jared Del Rosso
>> Centennial, CO
>> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 11:58:03 AM UTC-6 li...@archpml.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hugh, if you are still listening,  i am a fairly new birder who would be
>>> happy and excited to take your hard copies and input into ebird, yours i
>>> suppose,  or another location digital format.   It would be a great
>>> learning experience for me, and in the process if you would not mind, i
>>> could pick your brain on occasion.I know you and your wife were and are
>>> legendary in the Colorado birding community.  Anyhow, if you are interested
>>> in this,  obviously logistics would have to be worked out,  but please
>>> consider if this might be an option.  Selfishly, it would really help me
>>> improve my skills and knowledge.
>>> Linda purcell
>>>
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>>> *From:* cob...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Charles Hundertmark 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 6, 2021 10:40:20 AM
>>> *To:* Scott Somershoe 
>>> *Cc:* Cobirds ; Pat O'Driscoll <
>>> pato...@gmail.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cobirds] History - Old bird checklists
>>>
>>> One thing that has impressed me about Hugh is the extent to which he has
>>> entered his old field notes into eBird. Like Pat O’Driscoll, I find when I
>>> enter eBird reports that Hugh has been there many years before me.
>>>
>>> Chuck Hundertmark
>>> Lafayette CO
>>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Scott Somershoe  wrote:
>>>
>>> I completely agree with Patrick. I’d add a story about a long time
>>> Tennessee birder and big time world birder who moved to Florida about 7
>>> years ago. Before Terry Witt moved, he threw nearly 50 years of birds
>>> records in the trash. Nothing is in EBird or Avisis or archived in any
>>> way. He told me he threw everything out because he didn’t think anyone
>>> would want them. Such a shame. Unfortunately he passed away about a month
>>> ago.
>>>
>>> Even if the records are in EBird, archiving the original field notes
>>> would be worth the effort.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents.
&

Re: [cobirds] History - Old bird checklists

[Marty W]

gt; Find the article here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4154774. It should be
> readily available, as it's public domain...
>
> Bergtold also published a fascinating essay, albeit a profoundly hostile
> one, on House Sparrows; if my memory of it is right, he celebrated the
> introduction of automobiles as depriving House Sparrows of their favorite
> food (horse droppings) and putting them at risk of accidental deaths to
> strikes with automobiles.
>
> - Jared Del Rosso
> Centennial, CO
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 11:58:03 AM UTC-6 li...@archpml.com wrote:
>
>> Hugh, if you are still listening,  i am a fairly new birder who would be
>> happy and excited to take your hard copies and input into ebird, yours i
>> suppose,  or another location digital format.   It would be a great
>> learning experience for me, and in the process if you would not mind, i
>> could pick your brain on occasion.I know you and your wife were and are
>> legendary in the Colorado birding community.  Anyhow, if you are interested
>> in this,  obviously logistics would have to be worked out,  but please
>> consider if this might be an option.  Selfishly, it would really help me
>> improve my skills and knowledge.
>> Linda purcell
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>> ------
>> *From:* cob...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Charles Hundertmark 
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 6, 2021 10:40:20 AM
>> *To:* Scott Somershoe 
>> *Cc:* Cobirds ; Pat O'Driscoll <
>> pato...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [cobirds] History - Old bird checklists
>>
>> One thing that has impressed me about Hugh is the extent to which he has
>> entered his old field notes into eBird. Like Pat O’Driscoll, I find when I
>> enter eBird reports that Hugh has been there many years before me.
>>
>> Chuck Hundertmark
>> Lafayette CO
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Scott Somershoe  wrote:
>>
>> I completely agree with Patrick. I’d add a story about a long time
>> Tennessee birder and big time world birder who moved to Florida about 7
>> years ago. Before Terry Witt moved, he threw nearly 50 years of birds
>> records in the trash. Nothing is in EBird or Avisis or archived in any
>> way. He told me he threw everything out because he didn’t think anyone
>> would want them. Such a shame. Unfortunately he passed away about a month
>> ago.
>>
>> Even if the records are in EBird, archiving the original field notes
>> would be worth the effort.
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>> Scott Somershoe
>> Littleton CO
>> Green big year stands at 253 species. Zzzz.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Patrick O'Driscoll  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I wholeheartedly agree with Chuck.
>> Pre-eBird paper lists are important artifacts of our birding history,
>> especially as so much of our recordkeeping has shifted to digital.
>> And Jeff, your remarks are a great reminder for all of us to archive our
>> earlier lists on eBird.
>> Those of us eBirders who regularly visit Denver City Park know something
>> about this.
>> Sometime after the Cornell Lab invented eBird, a prominent Colorado
>> birder who visited City Park regularly in his youth transferred all of his
>> written birding lists from there into the database.
>> Between 1947 and 1950, young Hugh Kingery recorded hundreds of visits
>> and sightings in the park.
>> eBird tells us now that Hugh was responsible for the first 80 species
>> sightings in Denver City Park, all in that period. (More than three decades
>> later, in 1987, he added two more first sightings.)
>> Hugh's 320 "Denver City Park" eBird lists far outnumber those of the rest
>> of us.
>> His is a shining example of the importance of saving all of our sightings
>> to the Cornell Lab's brilliant invention.
>>
>> Good eBirding!
>>
>> Patrick O'Driscoll
>> Denver
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:48 AM Charles Hundertmark 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Veteran field ornithologists like Hugh should check into archiving their
>> old checklists at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. It’s an
>> excellent archive housing the records of several of the prominent field
>> ornithologists from Colorado’s past.
>>
>> Chuck Hundertmark
>> Lafayette, CO
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2021, at 7:41 AM, Jeff Percell  wrote:
>>
>> You should add the checklists onto eBird, so that everyone 

Re: [cobirds] History - Old bird checklists

[Jared Del Rosso]

I want to just agree with everything said already about Hugh's checklists.

And also, while we've been on the subject of historical checklists, I want 
to add this -- if anyone would like a bit of fun, check out the below 
article from 1917 by W.H. Bergtold, in which he describes his sightings 
around Denver (mainly Cheesman Park, where he resided). I encountered this 
essay several years ago, when I was also birding Cheesman. I particularly 
appreciated his note that Poorwills are "Infrequent migrants" to Cheesman 
Park, a fact several of us relearned about a full century after Bergtold 
documented it. But most tantalizing is his note that Long-eared Owls are 
"Frequent visitors to all the parks." 

Find the article here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4154774. It should be 
readily available, as it's public domain...

Bergtold also published a fascinating essay, albeit a profoundly hostile 
one, on House Sparrows; if my memory of it is right, he celebrated the 
introduction of automobiles as depriving House Sparrows of their favorite 
food (horse droppings) and putting them at risk of accidental deaths to 
strikes with automobiles. 

- Jared Del Rosso
Centennial, CO
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 11:58:03 AM UTC-6 li...@archpml.com wrote:

> Hugh, if you are still listening,  i am a fairly new birder who would be 
> happy and excited to take your hard copies and input into ebird, yours i 
> suppose,  or another location digital format.   It would be a great 
> learning experience for me, and in the process if you would not mind, i 
> could pick your brain on occasion.I know you and your wife were and are 
> legendary in the Colorado birding community.  Anyhow, if you are interested 
> in this,  obviously logistics would have to be worked out,  but please 
> consider if this might be an option.  Selfishly, it would really help me 
> improve my skills and knowledge.  
> Linda purcell
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> --
> *From:* cob...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
> Charles Hundertmark 
> *Sent:* Monday, September 6, 2021 10:40:20 AM
> *To:* Scott Somershoe 
> *Cc:* Cobirds ; Pat O'Driscoll  >
> *Subject:* Re: [cobirds] History - Old bird checklists 
>  
> One thing that has impressed me about Hugh is the extent to which he has 
> entered his old field notes into eBird. Like Pat O’Driscoll, I find when I 
> enter eBird reports that Hugh has been there many years before me. 
>
> Chuck Hundertmark
> Lafayette CO
>
> On Sep 6, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Scott Somershoe  wrote:
>
> I completely agree with Patrick. I’d add a story about a long time 
> Tennessee birder and big time world birder who moved to Florida about 7 
> years ago. Before Terry Witt moved, he threw nearly 50 years of birds 
> records in the trash. Nothing is in EBird or Avisis or archived in any 
> way. He told me he threw everything out because he didn’t think anyone 
> would want them. Such a shame. Unfortunately he passed away about a month 
> ago.  
>
> Even if the records are in EBird, archiving the original field notes would 
> be worth the effort. 
>
> My 2 cents. 
>
> Scott Somershoe 
> Littleton CO
> Green big year stands at 253 species. Zzzz. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 6, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Patrick O'Driscoll  wrote:
>
>  
> I wholeheartedly agree with Chuck.
> Pre-eBird paper lists are important artifacts of our birding history, 
> especially as so much of our recordkeeping has shifted to digital.
> And Jeff, your remarks are a great reminder for all of us to archive our 
> earlier lists on eBird.
> Those of us eBirders who regularly visit Denver City Park know something 
> about this.
> Sometime after the Cornell Lab invented eBird, a prominent Colorado birder 
> who visited City Park regularly in his youth transferred all of his written 
> birding lists from there into the database.
> Between 1947 and 1950, young Hugh Kingery recorded hundreds of visits  and 
> sightings in the park.
> eBird tells us now that Hugh was responsible for the first 80 species 
> sightings in Denver City Park, all in that period. (More than three decades 
> later, in 1987, he added two more first sightings.)
> Hugh's 320 "Denver City Park" eBird lists far outnumber those of the rest 
> of us.
> His is a shining example of the importance of saving all of our sightings 
> to the Cornell Lab's brilliant invention.
>
> Good eBirding!
>
> Patrick O'Driscoll
> Denver
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:48 AM Charles Hundertmark  
> wrote:
>
> Veteran field ornithologists like Hugh should check into archiving their 
> old checklists at the Denver Museum of Nature

Re: [cobirds] History - Old bird checklists

[linda purcell]

Hugh, if you are still listening,  i am a fairly new birder who would be happy 
and excited to take your hard copies and input into ebird, yours i suppose,  or 
another location digital format.   It would be a great learning experience for 
me, and in the process if you would not mind, i could pick your brain on 
occasion.I know you and your wife were and are legendary in the Colorado 
birding community.  Anyhow, if you are interested in this,  obviously logistics 
would have to be worked out,  but please consider if this might be an option.  
Selfishly, it would really help me improve my skills and knowledge.
Linda purcell

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: cobirds@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Charles 
Hundertmark 
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 10:40:20 AM
To: Scott Somershoe 
Cc: Cobirds ; Pat O'Driscoll 
Subject: Re: [cobirds] History - Old bird checklists

One thing that has impressed me about Hugh is the extent to which he has 
entered his old field notes into eBird. Like Pat O’Driscoll, I find when I 
enter eBird reports that Hugh has been there many years before me.

Chuck Hundertmark
Lafayette CO

On Sep 6, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Scott Somershoe 
mailto:ssomers...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I completely agree with Patrick. I’d add a story about a long time Tennessee 
birder and big time world birder who moved to Florida about 7 years ago. Before 
Terry Witt moved, he threw nearly 50 years of birds records in the trash. 
Nothing is in EBird or Avisis or archived in any way. He told me he threw 
everything out because he didn’t think anyone would want them. Such a shame. 
Unfortunately he passed away about a month ago.

Even if the records are in EBird, archiving the original field notes would be 
worth the effort.

My 2 cents.

Scott Somershoe
Littleton CO
Green big year stands at 253 species. Zzzz.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Patrick O'Driscoll 
mailto:patodr...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I wholeheartedly agree with Chuck.
Pre-eBird paper lists are important artifacts of our birding history, 
especially as so much of our recordkeeping has shifted to digital.
And Jeff, your remarks are a great reminder for all of us to archive our 
earlier lists on eBird.
Those of us eBirders who regularly visit Denver City Park know something about 
this.
Sometime after the Cornell Lab invented eBird, a prominent Colorado birder who 
visited City Park regularly in his youth transferred all of his written birding 
lists from there into the database.
Between 1947 and 1950, young Hugh Kingery recorded hundreds of visits  and 
sightings in the park.
eBird tells us now that Hugh was responsible for the first 80 species sightings 
in Denver City Park, all in that period. (More than three decades later, in 
1987, he added two more first sightings.)
Hugh's 320 "Denver City Park" eBird lists far outnumber those of the rest of us.
His is a shining example of the importance of saving all of our sightings to 
the Cornell Lab's brilliant invention.

Good eBirding!

Patrick O'Driscoll
Denver



On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:48 AM Charles Hundertmark 
mailto:chundertma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Veteran field ornithologists like Hugh should check into archiving their old 
checklists at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. It’s an excellent 
archive housing the records of several of the prominent field ornithologists 
from Colorado’s past.

Chuck Hundertmark
Lafayette, CO

On Sep 6, 2021, at 7:41 AM, Jeff Percell 
mailto:jeff.perc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You should add the checklists onto eBird, so that everyone can benefit from the 
data.

https://support.ebird.org/en/support/solutions/articles/48001158707-get-started-with-ebird

Thanks,
Jeff Percell
Erie, CO

On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 4:58:36 PM UTC-6 
ouz...@aol.com<http://aol.com/> wrote:
Does anyone know of a place that might have an interest in saving old bird 
checklists? I have a packet several inches thick of everything from Chatfield 
to Rock Creek to Durango to Bonny and I'm ready to give them away or to toss 
them.

Hugh Kingery

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Re: [cobirds] History - Old bird checklists

[Charles Hundertmark]

One thing that has impressed me about Hugh is the extent to which he has 
entered his old field notes into eBird. Like Pat O’Driscoll, I find when I 
enter eBird reports that Hugh has been there many years before me.

Chuck Hundertmark
Lafayette CO

> On Sep 6, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Scott Somershoe  wrote:
> 
> I completely agree with Patrick. I’d add a story about a long time Tennessee 
> birder and big time world birder who moved to Florida about 7 years ago. 
> Before Terry Witt moved, he threw nearly 50 years of birds records in the 
> trash. Nothing is in EBird or Avisis or archived in any way. He told me he 
> threw everything out because he didn’t think anyone would want them. Such a 
> shame. Unfortunately he passed away about a month ago. 
> 
> Even if the records are in EBird, archiving the original field notes would be 
> worth the effort. 
> 
> My 2 cents. 
> 
> Scott Somershoe 
> Littleton CO
> Green big year stands at 253 species. Zzzz. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Patrick O'Driscoll  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I wholeheartedly agree with Chuck.
>> Pre-eBird paper lists are important artifacts of our birding history, 
>> especially as so much of our recordkeeping has shifted to digital.
>> And Jeff, your remarks are a great reminder for all of us to archive our 
>> earlier lists on eBird.
>> Those of us eBirders who regularly visit Denver City Park know something 
>> about this.
>> Sometime after the Cornell Lab invented eBird, a prominent Colorado birder 
>> who visited City Park regularly in his youth transferred all of his written 
>> birding lists from there into the database.
>> Between 1947 and 1950, young Hugh Kingery recorded hundreds of visits  and 
>> sightings in the park.
>> eBird tells us now that Hugh was responsible for the first 80 species 
>> sightings in Denver City Park, all in that period. (More than three decades 
>> later, in 1987, he added two more first sightings.)
>> Hugh's 320 "Denver City Park" eBird lists far outnumber those of the rest of 
>> us.
>> His is a shining example of the importance of saving all of our sightings to 
>> the Cornell Lab's brilliant invention.
>> 
>> Good eBirding!
>> 
>> Patrick O'Driscoll
>> Denver
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:48 AM Charles Hundertmark > > wrote:
>> Veteran field ornithologists like Hugh should check into archiving their old 
>> checklists at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. It’s an excellent 
>> archive housing the records of several of the prominent field ornithologists 
>> from Colorado’s past.
>> 
>> Chuck Hundertmark
>> Lafayette, CO
>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2021, at 7:41 AM, Jeff Percell >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> You should add the checklists onto eBird, so that everyone can benefit from 
>>> the data.
>>> 
>>> https://support.ebird.org/en/support/solutions/articles/48001158707-get-started-with-ebird
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff Percell
>>> Erie, CO
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 4:58:36 PM UTC-6 ouz...@aol.com 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Does anyone know of a place that might have an interest in saving old bird 
>>> checklists? I have a packet several inches thick of everything from 
>>> Chatfield to Rock Creek to Durango to Bonny and I'm ready to give them away 
>>> or to toss them.
>>> 
>>> Hugh Kingery
>>> 
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 Does anyone know of a place that might have an interest in saving old bird 
checklists? I have a packet several inches thick of everything from Chatfield 
to Rock Creek to Durango to Bonny and I'm ready to give them away or to toss 
them.
 
Hugh Kingery

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