Re: [cobirds] Re: Eastern Larimer 8/25 and County Additions

2016-08-26 Thread David Suddjian 
I agree with the overloaded plate perspective. I think it is too much for a
state review committee to manage county-level lists in a consistent or
timely fashion, most especially because many county-level rarities are
probably never submitted.

David

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Joe Roller  wrote:

> Not sent to CObirds, just you guys.
>
> I am not sure, but I think that the CBRC has a lot on its plate with
> reviewing submissions of mega-rarities
> for inclusion on the State List, and probably lacks the bandwidth to get
> up to date on county records, then
> stay up to date.
> I'll check with CBRC.
>
> Joe Roller
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Sean Walters <
> waltersintherock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think there are a number of birders who have these same questions.
>> Personally, I have always believed that the Colorado County Birding website
>> presents the official county checklists based on the decisions of the CBRC.
>> There will always be local birders who disagree with the "official" county
>> numbers because of their exceptionally detailed knowledge of local records.
>> With an intense effort to locate and submit adequate documentation of these
>> unaccepted records to the CBRC, anyone can push the county totals higher as
>> the CBRC does review and accept new county records. And with enough well
>> documented submissions, a county could even officially surpass another
>> county.
>>
>> Good Birding!
>> Sean Walters
>> Fort Collins, CO
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:17 AM, David Suddjian 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On the topic of county lists, I'm somewhat at a loss as to where to
>>> encounter definitive totals of species recorded in the various counties
>>> (understanding that for rarities some are awaiting review). There is the
>>> county birding resource offered on the CFO page, but I can't tell how up to
>>> date it is for the various counties (I see holes for the counties I am most
>>> familiar with), and the CBRC process of county level review is very
>>> confusing to me. Neither of these seem to be (closely) linked to eBird
>>> review status of records for a given species in a county for species that
>>> are not significant rarities. Are county species lists closely kept up? By
>>> who? Are local county birders of knowledge and experience in some places
>>> further ahead on this than other authorities? What about counties that more
>>> or less have no local county birders?
>>>
>>> Curious,
>>>
>>> David Suddjian
>>> Ken Caryl Valley
>>> Littleton, CO
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Steve Stachowiak 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Cobirders,

 I thoroughly enjoyed the post by Andy regarding the "official" Larimer
 County species list.  In this age of "if it isn't in eBird it does not
 exist" it is refreshing to see that there is still interest in the rich
 ornithological history in Colorado.  Hopefully, others will note the
 various sources that are mentioned and take time to explore the data as
 Andy and others have done.

 While he may be counting some of his proverbial chickens before they
 hatch, it appears that the Larmier total may be moving upward.  Although,
 there is a bit of a black hole with the Committee when it comes to county
 records approvals and updates so Pueblo will continue to reign for the time
 being.

 Good Birding,
 Steve Stachowiak
 Highlands Ranch, CO

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Eastern Larimer 8/25 and County Additions

2016-08-26 Thread Steve Stachowiak 
As it states on the totally awesome Colorado County Birding 
(coloradocountybirding.org) website:

"The *Colorado Bird Records Committee* is charged with maintaining official 
county checklists. Not all county additions, however, are in need of formal 
review.  Submit your new county species to the CBRC Chair using this form. 
Species appearing as red in the list are state review species and must be 
documented through the *CBRC site* ."

Reporting species from this page of the website is very utilitarian for 
birders to amend lists for common species or link over to the even more 
totally awesome CBRC website to document reviewable species.

Good Birding,
Steve Stachowiak
Highlands Ranch, CO

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Eastern Larimer 8/25 and County Additions

2016-08-26 Thread Joe Roller 
Not sent to CObirds, just you guys.

I am not sure, but I think that the CBRC has a lot on its plate with
reviewing submissions of mega-rarities
for inclusion on the State List, and probably lacks the bandwidth to get up
to date on county records, then
stay up to date.
I'll check with CBRC.

Joe Roller

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Sean Walters  wrote:

> I think there are a number of birders who have these same questions.
> Personally, I have always believed that the Colorado County Birding website
> presents the official county checklists based on the decisions of the CBRC.
> There will always be local birders who disagree with the "official" county
> numbers because of their exceptionally detailed knowledge of local records.
> With an intense effort to locate and submit adequate documentation of these
> unaccepted records to the CBRC, anyone can push the county totals higher as
> the CBRC does review and accept new county records. And with enough well
> documented submissions, a county could even officially surpass another
> county.
>
> Good Birding!
> Sean Walters
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:17 AM, David Suddjian 
> wrote:
>
>> On the topic of county lists, I'm somewhat at a loss as to where to
>> encounter definitive totals of species recorded in the various counties
>> (understanding that for rarities some are awaiting review). There is the
>> county birding resource offered on the CFO page, but I can't tell how up to
>> date it is for the various counties (I see holes for the counties I am most
>> familiar with), and the CBRC process of county level review is very
>> confusing to me. Neither of these seem to be (closely) linked to eBird
>> review status of records for a given species in a county for species that
>> are not significant rarities. Are county species lists closely kept up? By
>> who? Are local county birders of knowledge and experience in some places
>> further ahead on this than other authorities? What about counties that more
>> or less have no local county birders?
>>
>> Curious,
>>
>> David Suddjian
>> Ken Caryl Valley
>> Littleton, CO
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Steve Stachowiak  wrote:
>>
>>> Cobirders,
>>>
>>> I thoroughly enjoyed the post by Andy regarding the "official" Larimer
>>> County species list.  In this age of "if it isn't in eBird it does not
>>> exist" it is refreshing to see that there is still interest in the rich
>>> ornithological history in Colorado.  Hopefully, others will note the
>>> various sources that are mentioned and take time to explore the data as
>>> Andy and others have done.
>>>
>>> While he may be counting some of his proverbial chickens before they
>>> hatch, it appears that the Larmier total may be moving upward.  Although,
>>> there is a bit of a black hole with the Committee when it comes to county
>>> records approvals and updates so Pueblo will continue to reign for the time
>>> being.
>>>
>>> Good Birding,
>>> Steve Stachowiak
>>> Highlands Ranch, CO
>>>
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Re: [cobirds] Re: Eastern Larimer 8/25 and County Additions

2016-08-26 Thread Sean Walters 
I think there are a number of birders who have these same questions.
Personally, I have always believed that the Colorado County Birding website
presents the official county checklists based on the decisions of the CBRC.
There will always be local birders who disagree with the "official" county
numbers because of their exceptionally detailed knowledge of local records.
With an intense effort to locate and submit adequate documentation of these
unaccepted records to the CBRC, anyone can push the county totals higher as
the CBRC does review and accept new county records. And with enough well
documented submissions, a county could even officially surpass another
county.

Good Birding!
Sean Walters
Fort Collins, CO

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:17 AM, David Suddjian  wrote:

> On the topic of county lists, I'm somewhat at a loss as to where to
> encounter definitive totals of species recorded in the various counties
> (understanding that for rarities some are awaiting review). There is the
> county birding resource offered on the CFO page, but I can't tell how up to
> date it is for the various counties (I see holes for the counties I am most
> familiar with), and the CBRC process of county level review is very
> confusing to me. Neither of these seem to be (closely) linked to eBird
> review status of records for a given species in a county for species that
> are not significant rarities. Are county species lists closely kept up? By
> who? Are local county birders of knowledge and experience in some places
> further ahead on this than other authorities? What about counties that more
> or less have no local county birders?
>
> Curious,
>
> David Suddjian
> Ken Caryl Valley
> Littleton, CO
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Steve Stachowiak  wrote:
>
>> Cobirders,
>>
>> I thoroughly enjoyed the post by Andy regarding the "official" Larimer
>> County species list.  In this age of "if it isn't in eBird it does not
>> exist" it is refreshing to see that there is still interest in the rich
>> ornithological history in Colorado.  Hopefully, others will note the
>> various sources that are mentioned and take time to explore the data as
>> Andy and others have done.
>>
>> While he may be counting some of his proverbial chickens before they
>> hatch, it appears that the Larmier total may be moving upward.  Although,
>> there is a bit of a black hole with the Committee when it comes to county
>> records approvals and updates so Pueblo will continue to reign for the time
>> being.
>>
>> Good Birding,
>> Steve Stachowiak
>> Highlands Ranch, CO
>>
>> On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:56:29 AM UTC-6, Andrew Bankert wrote:
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Re: [cobirds] Re: Eastern Larimer 8/25 and County Additions

2016-08-26 Thread David Suddjian 
On the topic of county lists, I'm somewhat at a loss as to where to
encounter definitive totals of species recorded in the various counties
(understanding that for rarities some are awaiting review). There is the
county birding resource offered on the CFO page, but I can't tell how up to
date it is for the various counties (I see holes for the counties I am most
familiar with), and the CBRC process of county level review is very
confusing to me. Neither of these seem to be (closely) linked to eBird
review status of records for a given species in a county for species that
are not significant rarities. Are county species lists closely kept up? By
who? Are local county birders of knowledge and experience in some places
further ahead on this than other authorities? What about counties that more
or less have no local county birders?

Curious,

David Suddjian
Ken Caryl Valley
Littleton, CO

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Steve Stachowiak  wrote:

> Cobirders,
>
> I thoroughly enjoyed the post by Andy regarding the "official" Larimer
> County species list.  In this age of "if it isn't in eBird it does not
> exist" it is refreshing to see that there is still interest in the rich
> ornithological history in Colorado.  Hopefully, others will note the
> various sources that are mentioned and take time to explore the data as
> Andy and others have done.
>
> While he may be counting some of his proverbial chickens before they
> hatch, it appears that the Larmier total may be moving upward.  Although,
> there is a bit of a black hole with the Committee when it comes to county
> records approvals and updates so Pueblo will continue to reign for the time
> being.
>
> Good Birding,
> Steve Stachowiak
> Highlands Ranch, CO
>
> On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:56:29 AM UTC-6, Andrew Bankert wrote:
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[cobirds] Re: Eastern Larimer 8/25 and County Additions

2016-08-26 Thread Steve Stachowiak 
Cobirders,

I thoroughly enjoyed the post by Andy regarding the "official" Larimer 
County species list.  In this age of "if it isn't in eBird it does not 
exist" it is refreshing to see that there is still interest in the rich 
ornithological history in Colorado.  Hopefully, others will note the 
various sources that are mentioned and take time to explore the data as 
Andy and others have done.

While he may be counting some of his proverbial chickens before they hatch, 
it appears that the Larmier total may be moving upward.  Although, there is 
a bit of a black hole with the Committee when it comes to county records 
approvals and updates so Pueblo will continue to reign for the time being.

Good Birding,
Steve Stachowiak
Highlands Ranch, CO

On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:56:29 AM UTC-6, Andrew Bankert wrote:
>
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