Re: [cobirds] Re: Hawk Identification help please

2019-09-12 Thread Ira Sanders 
Thank you Brian!  And to John for being the brightest bulb by sending this
to Brian.
Ira Sanders
Golden

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 4:46 AM John Vanderpoel <
jvanderp...@peregrinevideo.com> wrote:

> I took the liberty of sending the photo to Brian Wheeler and he agrees
> with David.  Here is what Brian said:
>
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> A juvenile Cooper's Hawk.  An accipiter by very long tail. A Cooper's Hawk
> because it has the longest tail of the three species.
>
> This bird shows a very long distance from the primary tips to the tail tip
> is quite an amount.
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>
> This bird shows a pale supercilium, which is more associated with juvenile
> Northern Goshawk; however, many juvenile Cooper's Hawks also show this mark.
>
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> Markings on wing align with Cooper's Hawk. Pale edging on median and
> greater coverts but lack of pale bar on greater coverts rules out most
> Northern Goshawks.
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> Best,
>
>
>
> Brian
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> *From:* cobirds@googlegroups.com [mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *David Tønnessen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:39 PM
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> *Subject:* [cobirds] Re: Hawk Identification help please
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> This is no Mississippi Kite, and the more slender-chested build and clean
> white throat point away from a young Northern Goshawk, which would be quite
> the find for Weld County this time of year anyway. This is a Cooper's Hawk.
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> David Tonnessen
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RE: [cobirds] Re: Hawk Identification help please

2019-09-12 Thread John Vanderpoel 
I took the liberty of sending the photo to Brian Wheeler and he agrees with 
David.  Here is what Brian said:

 

A juvenile Cooper's Hawk.  An accipiter by very long tail. A Cooper's Hawk 
because it has the longest tail of the three species. 

This bird shows a very long distance from the primary tips to the tail tip is 
quite an amount.

 

This bird shows a pale supercilium, which is more associated with juvenile 
Northern Goshawk; however, many juvenile Cooper's Hawks also show this mark.

 

Markings on wing align with Cooper's Hawk. Pale edging on median and greater 
coverts but lack of pale bar on greater coverts rules out most Northern 
Goshawks. 

 

 

Best,

 

Brian 

 

 

From: cobirds@googlegroups.com [mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Tønnessen
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:39 PM
To: Colorado Birds
Subject: [cobirds] Re: Hawk Identification help please

 

This is no Mississippi Kite, and the more slender-chested build and clean white 
throat point away from a young Northern Goshawk, which would be quite the find 
for Weld County this time of year anyway. This is a Cooper's Hawk.

 

 

David Tonnessen

Colorado Springs, CO

 

 

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[cobirds] Re: Hawk Identification help please

2019-09-11 Thread David Tønnessen 
This is no Mississippi Kite, and the more slender-chested build and clean 
white throat point away from a young Northern Goshawk, which would be quite 
the find for Weld County this time of year anyway. This is a Cooper's Hawk.


David Tonnessen
Colorado Springs, CO



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Re: [cobirds] Re: Hawk Identification help please

2019-09-11 Thread 'Deborah Carstensen' via Colorado Birds 
I would vote for the juvenile goshawk! Deb Carstensen, Arapahoe county 

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> On Sep 11, 2019, at 8:59 PM, Diana Beatty  wrote:
> 
> Mississippi Kites to my knowledge are unlikely to take a dove as prey; 
> they're not drastically larger than one to begin with, and they commonly take 
> insects that they catch in flight as prey - grasshoppers, odonata, cicadas, 
> etc.  They do also eat small birds and lizards occasionally and have been 
> occasionally observed to take pieces of rabbit carrion, etc.   But I have my 
> doubts they could handle a Eurasian Collared Dove.  Here is a short clip of 
> some young Mississippi Kites I took a week or two ago for comparison - 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfVRr7vt7LI
> 
> Diana Beatty
> El Paso County
> 
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:53 PM Joe Roller  wrote:
>> This young raptor has several field marks of a Mississippi Kite.
>> Joe Roller, Denver
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 7:53 PM Vaughn Cottman  wrote:
>>> It looks larger than a cooper's hawk; my guess would be a juvenile goshawk. 
>>> Lucky You!
>>> 
 On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:08:48 PM UTC-6, Pauli wrote:
 I spied this enjoying an Eurasian Collard Dove on my deck, and then later 
 photographed it up at the Highlandlake Pioneer Cemetery. Can anyone tell 
 me what this is? It is pretty much a soft grey.
 
  
 
 Thanks,
 
 Pauli Smith
 
 Mead, Weld County
 
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Re: [cobirds] Re: Hawk Identification help please

2019-09-11 Thread Diana Beatty 
Mississippi Kites to my knowledge are unlikely to take a dove as prey;
they're not drastically larger than one to begin with, and they commonly
take insects that they catch in flight as prey - grasshoppers, odonata,
cicadas, etc.  They do also eat small birds and lizards occasionally and
have been occasionally observed to take pieces of rabbit carrion, etc.
 But I have my doubts they could handle a Eurasian Collared Dove.  Here is
a short clip of some young Mississippi Kites I took a week or two ago for
comparison - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfVRr7vt7LI

Diana Beatty
El Paso County

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:53 PM Joe Roller  wrote:

> This young raptor has several field marks of a Mississippi Kite.
> Joe Roller, Denver
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 7:53 PM Vaughn Cottman 
> wrote:
>
>> It looks larger than a cooper's hawk; my guess would be a juvenile
>> goshawk. Lucky You!
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:08:48 PM UTC-6, Pauli wrote:
>>>
>>> I spied this enjoying an Eurasian Collard Dove on my deck, and then
>>> later photographed it up at the Highlandlake Pioneer Cemetery. Can anyone
>>> tell me what this is? It is pretty much a soft grey.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Pauli Smith
>>>
>>> Mead, Weld County
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Re: [cobirds] Re: Hawk Identification help please

2019-09-11 Thread Joe Roller 
This young raptor has several field marks of a Mississippi Kite.
Joe Roller, Denver

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 7:53 PM Vaughn Cottman  wrote:

> It looks larger than a cooper's hawk; my guess would be a juvenile
> goshawk. Lucky You!
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:08:48 PM UTC-6, Pauli wrote:
>>
>> I spied this enjoying an Eurasian Collard Dove on my deck, and then later
>> photographed it up at the Highlandlake Pioneer Cemetery. Can anyone tell me
>> what this is? It is pretty much a soft grey.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pauli Smith
>>
>> Mead, Weld County
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[cobirds] Re: Hawk Identification help please

2019-09-11 Thread Vaughn Cottman 
It looks larger than a cooper's hawk; my guess would be a juvenile goshawk. 
Lucky You!

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:08:48 PM UTC-6, Pauli wrote:
>
> I spied this enjoying an Eurasian Collard Dove on my deck, and then later 
> photographed it up at the Highlandlake Pioneer Cemetery. Can anyone tell me 
> what this is? It is pretty much a soft grey.
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pauli Smith
>
> Mead, Weld County
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