Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
Hi Jason, Don't be too disappointed. This is exactly what The Lean Startup (a good read!) is all about and I am pretty sure quite a few of us have run into a situation like this ourselves. I was thinking about your remark on the radio buttons. I could be wrong, but I think it is the only control in your suite for which Foundation does not offer a widely known and used standard object. The closest thing is a UISegmentedControl, but that is still quite different from radio buttons, like Java has. So my guess is that you are getting a lot of feedback on it, because it is not regularly available and a custom control has to be created when a clients requests something like that. If that thought were true, than maybe focussing on controls that are currently absent in Foundation, but that could be useful might be a strategy to consider? A successful example would be the 'Facebook' panels, for which there is no out-of-the-box solution, but which are hugely popular. In short, my 5 cents would be to not focus on existing controls for which - to be honest - it will be very hard to come up with look and feel improvements AND for which coding practices are widely known, used and very accessible, but to focus on the white spots on the map instead.. Along the way, try to get feedback from your target audience as early as possible, maybe even at the drawing table, and let them help you find the best direction.. Best, Diederik Op Aug 28, 2013, om 12:04 AM heeft Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Allright - thanks everyone - I feel like going and hiding beneath a rock or something - We put months of blood and sweat into this thing and did not focus on the one thing that matters - polish and presentation. I am already going through the website and fixing the inconsistencies. However, as you guys said, we need a serious UX review of the whole thing. I am going to keep the website up as we do this, otherwise google will forget us. I hope to fix these mistakes and hopefully next time I ask for feedback, you guys wont be disappointed. Thanks again for your brutal, yet VERY constructive and HIGHLY appreciated feedback. This is just what we needed. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:03 PM, David E Blanton aired...@tularosa.netwrote: On Aug 26, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.com wrote: main DataGrid product … is ugly and reminds me of Windows MFC crap. -koko ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/diederik%40tenhorses.com This email sent to diede...@tenhorses.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
For reference, I’m not convinced that you needed them here, but instead, that you didn’t devote enough thought to how that UI should work on a touch screen. There’s no reason why your preferences couldn’t have used a column of UISwitches. Your export panel could have used a UISegmentedControl to select the export type, and a UIPicker to select the export format. That said, don’t get disheartened – a good, high quality data table is something that would be very useful on iOS – just try to polish it up more! Tom Davie On 27 Aug 2013, at 04:56, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.com wrote: Also one more thing - A few of you messaged me about this privately - I am quite surprised why everyone is looking at the checkbox/radio button exclusively - This is such a tiny part of the whole thing - we actually built it just because we needed it inside the our main DataGrid product (multi select filter has checkboxes) But we built everything as stand alone so they can be used indepentant of each other. our real product is the iOSDataGridView : http://www.ioscomponents.com/Home/IOSDataGrid Is our site not pushing that message very well? On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.comwrote: All, thanks for your candid feedback - I realize we have some work to do, but I am glad to see the feedback. If there is anything else you think we can address, please free to bring it on - we can take it! The one thing I would like to add, we;re not a design company - we are a component vendor - all those components are meant to be skinnable and styleable. In fact we have a number of examples of themes and such. But you are right - we need a good iOS theme which is the default. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Fritz Anderson fri...@manoverboard.orgwrote: [It happens I'm replying to Jonathan Hill, when my use of you refers to Jason Gibbs. A vagary of how I try to cut down quotes and recipient lists.] And to pile on, intercaps (camelCase) is a good idea in code (or underscores, I'm not picking a fight here), and common in cheesy trademarks (sorryApple), but when you address normal people, they aren't acceptable. Cheesier still if it isn't even a trademark. Nor are initial caps used in mid-sentence for words that are not proper names, including trademarks. It's a check box, not a CheckBox. Perhaps that's how you spell it in your API. Nobody cares how you spell it in your API, except when they're writing to your API. I'd like to see how this works out. Some very smart people have devoted a lot of thought to how mouse-and-keyboard UI would work on four-inch touch screens. — F On 26 Aug 2013, at 2:17 AM, Jonathan Hull jh...@gbis.com wrote: Good URL. The components don't really feel like they fit on iOS. Feels more like a XP UI than iOS. From your website, it seems like the components have lots of good features, but you should definitely hire a designer with iOS experience to help them feel at home on the platform... ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/iosmaniacdev%40gmail.com This email sent to iosmaniac...@gmail.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/tom.davie%40gmail.com This email sent to tom.da...@gmail.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
And do yourself a huge favor. Repeat to yourself every morning (and anytime you get frustrated), Developers are friends not food. I use that analogy intentionally, you are selling to the most critical market you will ever sell to. Not just other developers, which is bad enough, but Apple/iOS developers, who in addition to having the normal quirks of being developers, also add the additional quirks of being UX experts, who will pick apart a website over the use of tables. For everyone that offended there, keep in mind, I am calling myself out on this behavior too. When you are selling to other developers, you are always going to be under fire. There will always be things you should do their way. Sometimes the correct answer is 'no'. You have some great ideas, and I think will have some really good customers here, so don't let the bruises and lumps that will come along the way scare you off. Developing for other developers is hard, requires a thick skin, and is often quite thankless, but every now and again, you'll get that one sale that will make it all worth while. Dru On Aug 28, 2013, at 3:14 AM, Tom Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: For reference, I’m not convinced that you needed them here, but instead, that you didn’t devote enough thought to how that UI should work on a touch screen. There’s no reason why your preferences couldn’t have used a column of UISwitches. Your export panel could have used a UISegmentedControl to select the export type, and a UIPicker to select the export format. That said, don’t get disheartened – a good, high quality data table is something that would be very useful on iOS – just try to polish it up more! Tom Davie On 27 Aug 2013, at 04:56, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.com wrote: Also one more thing - A few of you messaged me about this privately - I am quite surprised why everyone is looking at the checkbox/radio button exclusively - This is such a tiny part of the whole thing - we actually built it just because we needed it inside the our main DataGrid product (multi select filter has checkboxes) But we built everything as stand alone so they can be used indepentant of each other. our real product is the iOSDataGridView : http://www.ioscomponents.com/Home/IOSDataGrid Is our site not pushing that message very well? On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.comwrote: All, thanks for your candid feedback - I realize we have some work to do, but I am glad to see the feedback. If there is anything else you think we can address, please free to bring it on - we can take it! The one thing I would like to add, we;re not a design company - we are a component vendor - all those components are meant to be skinnable and styleable. In fact we have a number of examples of themes and such. But you are right - we need a good iOS theme which is the default. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Fritz Anderson fri...@manoverboard.orgwrote: [It happens I'm replying to Jonathan Hill, when my use of you refers to Jason Gibbs. A vagary of how I try to cut down quotes and recipient lists.] And to pile on, intercaps (camelCase) is a good idea in code (or underscores, I'm not picking a fight here), and common in cheesy trademarks (sorryApple), but when you address normal people, they aren't acceptable. Cheesier still if it isn't even a trademark. Nor are initial caps used in mid-sentence for words that are not proper names, including trademarks. It's a check box, not a CheckBox. Perhaps that's how you spell it in your API. Nobody cares how you spell it in your API, except when they're writing to your API. I'd like to see how this works out. Some very smart people have devoted a lot of thought to how mouse-and-keyboard UI would work on four-inch touch screens. — F On 26 Aug 2013, at 2:17 AM, Jonathan Hull jh...@gbis.com wrote: Good URL. The components don't really feel like they fit on iOS. Feels more like a XP UI than iOS. From your website, it seems like the components have lots of good features, but you should definitely hire a designer with iOS experience to help them feel at home on the platform... ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/iosmaniacdev%40gmail.com This email sent to iosmaniac...@gmail.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
Thanks again Dru,Tom, Diederik and everyone who chimed in with your valuable insights. I have made a list of action items from each of your feedback. Back to the kitchen to cook up something nice. Hopefully you guys wont be disappointed next time I come back here. Feel free to message me directly if you get some more ideas. I am very grateful to all of you. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
Allright - thanks everyone - I feel like going and hiding beneath a rock or something - We put months of blood and sweat into this thing and did not focus on the one thing that matters - polish and presentation. I am already going through the website and fixing the inconsistencies. However, as you guys said, we need a serious UX review of the whole thing. I am going to keep the website up as we do this, otherwise google will forget us. I hope to fix these mistakes and hopefully next time I ask for feedback, you guys wont be disappointed. Thanks again for your brutal, yet VERY constructive and HIGHLY appreciated feedback. This is just what we needed. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:03 PM, David E Blanton aired...@tularosa.netwrote: On Aug 26, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.com wrote: main DataGrid product … is ugly and reminds me of Windows MFC crap. -koko ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Introducing ioscomponents.com
Hello everyone, I just wanted to introduce iOSComponents.com to you. We provide Fully Functional, Robust, Tested and Ready to use Custom iOSComponents, including the iOSDataGrid - the most powerful DataGrid available for iOS Apps, as well as a suite of utility controls inluding AutoCompleteUITextView, ComboBox, DateComboBox, CheckBox, RadioButton, CheckBoxList, MultiSelectComboBox and more! It would be great if you could take a look and provide us with feedback, criticism, ideas, suggestions, and guidance! Here is the website: http://ioscomponents.com/ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
Good URL. The components don't really feel like they fit on iOS. Feels more like a XP UI than iOS. From your website, it seems like the components have lots of good features, but you should definitely hire a designer with iOS experience to help them feel at home on the platform... Thanks, Jon On Aug 24, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I just wanted to introduce iOSComponents.com to you. We provide Fully Functional, Robust, Tested and Ready to use Custom iOSComponents, including the iOSDataGrid - the most powerful DataGrid available for iOS Apps, as well as a suite of utility controls inluding AutoCompleteUITextView, ComboBox, DateComboBox, CheckBox, RadioButton, CheckBoxList, MultiSelectComboBox and more! It would be great if you could take a look and provide us with feedback, criticism, ideas, suggestions, and guidance! Here is the website: http://ioscomponents.com/ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/jhull%40gbis.com This email sent to jh...@gbis.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
On Aug 25, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.com wrote: It would be great if you could take a look and provide us with feedback, criticism, ideas, suggestions, and guidance! Hire a professional graphic designer and a copywriter. Your images are horribly blotchy and blurry (scaled up to 1.1x or something weird like that, e.g. look at the highlighted current page dot in the top, side-scrolling area, or any screen shot). Your spelling is all over the place, with fauxbreviations like 'IPAD' or 'IOS' just the start. Attention to detail is important if you want people to trust the quality of your code. That said, it's good to see more people contributing to an ecosystem of reusable components. Can you do me a favor and @-message @cocoaobjects on Twitter so I can link to these components at http://cocoaobjects.com ? Cheers, -- Uli Kusterer The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere... http://www.zathras.de ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
On Aug 25, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.com wrote: It would be great if you could take a look and provide us with feedback, criticism, ideas, suggestions, and guidance! Also, why are UI elements mis-positioned and clipped in the iPhone screen shot here? http://ioscomponents.com/Home/IOSRadioButtonCheckBox Cheers, -- Uli Kusterer The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere... http://www.zathras.de ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
[It happens I'm replying to Jonathan Hill, when my use of you refers to Jason Gibbs. A vagary of how I try to cut down quotes and recipient lists.] And to pile on, intercaps (camelCase) is a good idea in code (or underscores, I'm not picking a fight here), and common in cheesy trademarks (sorryApple), but when you address normal people, they aren't acceptable. Cheesier still if it isn't even a trademark. Nor are initial caps used in mid-sentence for words that are not proper names, including trademarks. It's a check box, not a CheckBox. Perhaps that's how you spell it in your API. Nobody cares how you spell it in your API, except when they're writing to your API. I'd like to see how this works out. Some very smart people have devoted a lot of thought to how mouse-and-keyboard UI would work on four-inch touch screens. — F On 26 Aug 2013, at 2:17 AM, Jonathan Hull jh...@gbis.com wrote: Good URL. The components don't really feel like they fit on iOS. Feels more like a XP UI than iOS. From your website, it seems like the components have lots of good features, but you should definitely hire a designer with iOS experience to help them feel at home on the platform... ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
All, thanks for your candid feedback - I realize we have some work to do, but I am glad to see the feedback. If there is anything else you think we can address, please free to bring it on - we can take it! The one thing I would like to add, we;re not a design company - we are a component vendor - all those components are meant to be skinnable and styleable. In fact we have a number of examples of themes and such. But you are right - we need a good iOS theme which is the default. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Fritz Anderson fri...@manoverboard.orgwrote: [It happens I'm replying to Jonathan Hill, when my use of you refers to Jason Gibbs. A vagary of how I try to cut down quotes and recipient lists.] And to pile on, intercaps (camelCase) is a good idea in code (or underscores, I'm not picking a fight here), and common in cheesy trademarks (sorryApple), but when you address normal people, they aren't acceptable. Cheesier still if it isn't even a trademark. Nor are initial caps used in mid-sentence for words that are not proper names, including trademarks. It's a check box, not a CheckBox. Perhaps that's how you spell it in your API. Nobody cares how you spell it in your API, except when they're writing to your API. I'd like to see how this works out. Some very smart people have devoted a lot of thought to how mouse-and-keyboard UI would work on four-inch touch screens. — F On 26 Aug 2013, at 2:17 AM, Jonathan Hull jh...@gbis.com wrote: Good URL. The components don't really feel like they fit on iOS. Feels more like a XP UI than iOS. From your website, it seems like the components have lots of good features, but you should definitely hire a designer with iOS experience to help them feel at home on the platform... ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/iosmaniacdev%40gmail.com This email sent to iosmaniac...@gmail.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Introducing ioscomponents.com
Also one more thing - A few of you messaged me about this privately - I am quite surprised why everyone is looking at the checkbox/radio button exclusively - This is such a tiny part of the whole thing - we actually built it just because we needed it inside the our main DataGrid product (multi select filter has checkboxes) But we built everything as stand alone so they can be used indepentant of each other. our real product is the iOSDataGridView : http://www.ioscomponents.com/Home/IOSDataGrid Is our site not pushing that message very well? On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Jason Gibbs iosmaniac...@gmail.comwrote: All, thanks for your candid feedback - I realize we have some work to do, but I am glad to see the feedback. If there is anything else you think we can address, please free to bring it on - we can take it! The one thing I would like to add, we;re not a design company - we are a component vendor - all those components are meant to be skinnable and styleable. In fact we have a number of examples of themes and such. But you are right - we need a good iOS theme which is the default. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Fritz Anderson fri...@manoverboard.orgwrote: [It happens I'm replying to Jonathan Hill, when my use of you refers to Jason Gibbs. A vagary of how I try to cut down quotes and recipient lists.] And to pile on, intercaps (camelCase) is a good idea in code (or underscores, I'm not picking a fight here), and common in cheesy trademarks (sorryApple), but when you address normal people, they aren't acceptable. Cheesier still if it isn't even a trademark. Nor are initial caps used in mid-sentence for words that are not proper names, including trademarks. It's a check box, not a CheckBox. Perhaps that's how you spell it in your API. Nobody cares how you spell it in your API, except when they're writing to your API. I'd like to see how this works out. Some very smart people have devoted a lot of thought to how mouse-and-keyboard UI would work on four-inch touch screens. — F On 26 Aug 2013, at 2:17 AM, Jonathan Hull jh...@gbis.com wrote: Good URL. The components don't really feel like they fit on iOS. Feels more like a XP UI than iOS. From your website, it seems like the components have lots of good features, but you should definitely hire a designer with iOS experience to help them feel at home on the platform... ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/iosmaniacdev%40gmail.com This email sent to iosmaniac...@gmail.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
