Re: NSButton/NSBox interaction
On 9 Apr 2014, at 22:06, Tom Doan t...@estima.com wrote: I have a dialog which has an NSBox. Inside the NSBox are two (separate, but conceptually linked) sets of radio buttons. These are just NSButtons with radio style---I haven't (at least intentionally) embedded them into an NSMatrix. However, when I select one of the buttons from one set, it resets all others in both sets to off so somehow it's automatically interpreting all the buttons inside the box as a single collection even though that's not my intention. However, I can't see anything in the description of either NSButton or NSBox that seems to cover this behavior so I can override it. Can someone explain what's happening, please? I did as you implied and placed two separate matrices inside an NSBox and they function independently. Are you sure that you don’t have all the buttons in a single matrix? You say that the buttons are linked, are you sure that you are not triggering the state of one set from the other? J Thanks, Tom Doan Estima ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/lists%40mugginsoft.com This email sent to li...@mugginsoft.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: NSButton/NSBox interaction
On Apr 9, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Graham Cox wrote: On 10 Apr 2014, at 7:06 am, Tom Doan t...@estima.com wrote: have a dialog which has an NSBox. Inside the NSBox are two (separate, but conceptually linked) sets of radio buttons. These are just NSButtons with radio style---I haven't (at least intentionally) embedded them into an NSMatrix. However, when I select one of the buttons from one set, it resets all others in both sets to off so somehow it's automatically interpreting all the buttons inside the box as a single collection even though that's not my intention. However, I can't see anything in the description of either NSButton or NSBox that seems to cover this behavior so I can override it. Can someone explain what's happening, please? I'm not exactly certain of the mechanism, but I think radio buttons interact as a set through the agency of their immediate superview, so if several buttons share it, they are assumed to be part of the same set. So you can embed the separate sets into container views or NSMatrix, and they'll work as you want. You mention NOT putting them into a NSMatrix for some reason - what reason? That's the usual way to set up radios, though it comes with the added restriction that the buttons have to be laid out on a regular grid. But embedding them in a custom view that draws nothing should also work, and that has no such limitation. That would be great functionality that I have often desired but AFAICT that is not the case--at least I am unable to replicate it. Or do you mean multiple radio-type NSButtonCells in a single view? That would make sense but only NSMatrix has that functionality built-in, AFAIK. I suspect this is really a code or binding issue. Keary Suska Esoteritech, Inc. Demystifying technology for your home or business ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: NSButton/NSBox interaction
On Apr 10, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Keary Suska cocoa-...@esoteritech.com wrote: On Apr 9, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Graham Cox wrote: I'm not exactly certain of the mechanism, but I think radio buttons interact as a set through the agency of their immediate superview, so if several buttons share it, they are assumed to be part of the same set. So you can embed the separate sets into container views or NSMatrix, and they'll work as you want. You mention NOT putting them into a NSMatrix for some reason - what reason? That's the usual way to set up radios, though it comes with the added restriction that the buttons have to be laid out on a regular grid. But embedding them in a custom view that draws nothing should also work, and that has no such limitation. That would be great functionality that I have often desired but AFAICT that is not the case--at least I am unable to replicate it. Or do you mean multiple radio-type NSButtonCells in a single view? That would make sense but only NSMatrix has that functionality built-in, AFAIK. I think Graham is referring to this feature, added in 10.8: An NSButton configured as a radio button (with the -buttonType set to NSRadioButton), will now operate in a radio button group for applications linked on 10.8 and later. To have the button work in a radio group, use the same -action for each NSButton instance, and have the same superview for each button. When these conditions are met, checking one button (by changing the -state to 1), will uncheck all other buttons (by setting their -state to 0). https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/releasenotes/AppKit/RN-AppKitOlderNotes/ Tom, are you sure that your two sets of radio buttons use different actions? --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: NSButton/NSBox interaction
This is a Cocoa port of a Carbon app (and I also have Windows and GTK versions). My code assumes that I'm controlling the radio buttons, which has worked fine until now (apparently the 10.8 SDK). What I want is a radio style button which turns on when I want it on and turns off when I want it off and doesn't go off and manage itself along with the other buttons that the OS thinks (incorrectly in this case) are logically linked to it. Tom Doan Estima On Apr 10, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Keary Suska cocoa-...@esoteritech.com wrote: On Apr 9, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Graham Cox wrote: I'm not exactly certain of the mechanism, but I think radio buttons interact as a set through the agency of their immediate superview, so if several buttons share it, they are assumed to be part of the same set. So you can embed the separate sets into container views or NSMatrix, and they'll work as you want. You mention NOT putting them into a NSMatrix for some reason - what reason? That's the usual way to set up radios, though it comes with the added restriction that the buttons have to be laid out on a regular grid. But embedding them in a custom view that draws nothing should also work, and that has no such limitation. That would be great functionality that I have often desired but AFAICT that is not the case--at least I am unable to replicate it. Or do you mean multiple radio-type NSButtonCells in a single view? That would make sense but only NSMatrix has that functionality built-in, AFAIK. I think Graham is referring to this feature, added in 10.8: An NSButton configured as a radio button (with the -buttonType set to NSRadioButton), will now operate in a radio button group for applications linked on 10.8 and later. To have the button work in a radio group, use the same -action for each NSButton instance, and have the same superview for each button. When these conditions are met, checking one button (by changing the -state to 1), will uncheck all other buttons (by setting their -state to 0). https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/releasenotes/AppKit/RN-AppKit OlderNotes/ Tom, are you sure that your two sets of radio buttons use different actions? --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/tomd%40estima.com This email sent to t...@estima.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: NSButton/NSBox interaction
Thanks for the help. Embedding each subset inside a custom view did fix the problem. It would certainly have been nice to have the NSButton class reference say something about the change, since it should have been expected to break at least some existing software. This is a Cocoa port of a Carbon app (and I also have Windows and GTK versions). My code assumes that I'm controlling the radio buttons, which has worked fine until now (apparently the 10.8 SDK). What I want is a radio style button which turns on when I want it on and turns off when I want it off and doesn't go off and manage itself along with the other buttons that the OS thinks (incorrectly in this case) are logically linked to it. Tom Doan Estima On Apr 10, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Keary Suska cocoa-...@esoteritech.com wrote: On Apr 9, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Graham Cox wrote: I'm not exactly certain of the mechanism, but I think radio buttons interact as a set through the agency of their immediate superview, so if several buttons share it, they are assumed to be part of the same set. So you can embed the separate sets into container views or NSMatrix, and they'll work as you want. You mention NOT putting them into a NSMatrix for some reason - what reason? That's the usual way to set up radios, though it comes with the added restriction that the buttons have to be laid out on a regular grid. But embedding them in a custom view that draws nothing should also work, and that has no such limitation. That would be great functionality that I have often desired but AFAICT that is not the case--at least I am unable to replicate it. Or do you mean multiple radio-type NSButtonCells in a single view? That would make sense but only NSMatrix has that functionality built-in, AFAIK. I think Graham is referring to this feature, added in 10.8: An NSButton configured as a radio button (with the -buttonType set to NSRadioButton), will now operate in a radio button group for applications linked on 10.8 and later. To have the button work in a radio group, use the same -action for each NSButton instance, and have the same superview for each button. When these conditions are met, checking one button (by changing the -state to 1), will uncheck all other buttons (by setting their -state to 0). https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/releasenotes/AppKit/RN-AppK it OlderNotes/ Tom, are you sure that your two sets of radio buttons use different actions? --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/tomd%40estima.com This email sent to t...@estima.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/tomd%40estima.com This email sent to t...@estima.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
NSButton/NSBox interaction
I have a dialog which has an NSBox. Inside the NSBox are two (separate, but conceptually linked) sets of radio buttons. These are just NSButtons with radio style---I haven't (at least intentionally) embedded them into an NSMatrix. However, when I select one of the buttons from one set, it resets all others in both sets to off so somehow it's automatically interpreting all the buttons inside the box as a single collection even though that's not my intention. However, I can't see anything in the description of either NSButton or NSBox that seems to cover this behavior so I can override it. Can someone explain what's happening, please? Thanks, Tom Doan Estima ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: NSButton/NSBox interaction
On 10 Apr 2014, at 7:06 am, Tom Doan t...@estima.com wrote: have a dialog which has an NSBox. Inside the NSBox are two (separate, but conceptually linked) sets of radio buttons. These are just NSButtons with radio style---I haven't (at least intentionally) embedded them into an NSMatrix. However, when I select one of the buttons from one set, it resets all others in both sets to off so somehow it's automatically interpreting all the buttons inside the box as a single collection even though that's not my intention. However, I can't see anything in the description of either NSButton or NSBox that seems to cover this behavior so I can override it. Can someone explain what's happening, please? I'm not exactly certain of the mechanism, but I think radio buttons interact as a set through the agency of their immediate superview, so if several buttons share it, they are assumed to be part of the same set. So you can embed the separate sets into container views or NSMatrix, and they'll work as you want. You mention NOT putting them into a NSMatrix for some reason - what reason? That's the usual way to set up radios, though it comes with the added restriction that the buttons have to be laid out on a regular grid. But embedding them in a custom view that draws nothing should also work, and that has no such limitation. --Graham ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
