Re: Just starting COCOON

2002-04-14 Thread John Austin

On Friday 18 January 2002 09:13, you wrote:
 I got it up and running, the documentation must be written better in
 Italian because the English version is Terrible!  Thank you very much
 for your help...

The Cocoon Docs are better than the documentation I have written so far 
for the project I am prototyping with Cocoon.

There is a useful web site: http://www.cocooncenter.com/cc/ that is a 
nice start. It may become quite useful. Take a look at the 'Chello' 
project at sourceforge too. 

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Re: Newbie FAQ (was Re: Just starting COCOON

2002-03-03 Thread Roger I Martin PhD

I am using 4.0.2-b1 just fine but am on a Windows 2000 box.

Are you deleting the generated jakarta-tomcat-4.0.2-b1\webapp\Cocoon
directory and the jakarta-tomcat-4.0.2-b1\work\localhost\cocoon directory
between tries?

Do the logs in jakarta-tomcat-4.0.2-b1\logs tell you anything?

Do other war files deploy such as the petstore example from j2ee?

Just thinking about it a little.  Regards,

Rog
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From: Peter Schwenke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Newbie FAQ (was Re: Just starting COCOON


 Peter Flynn writes:
   Peter Schwenke writes:
There has been discussions on the list that it is better to stick
with Tomcat 4.0.2 for now.
   
(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-usersm=101363193404329w=2)
  
   But that's what I'm trying to install.

  
Is the war file OK - Can you do a jar tvf on it? Permissions OK etc
  
   Yep.
  
   -rw-r--r--1 tomcat4  tomcat4  12052601 Feb 15 16:12 cocoon.war
  
 I and some co-workers have also been trying to get Cocoon
 running. I was recently put on a different project, but my
 co-workers report that downgrading to Tomcat 4.0.1 made things
 work. You might try that.
  
   Ah. Should that have read 4.0.1 above? Many thanks, I'll try.

 Sorry.  I meant to say 4.0.1.


 ...Peter

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Re: Newbie FAQ (was Re: Just starting COCOON

2002-02-18 Thread Peter Flynn

Peter Schwenke writes:
 There has been discussions on the list that it is better to stick
 with Tomcat 4.0.2 for now.
 (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-usersm=101363193404329w=2)

But that's what I'm trying to install.

 Is the war file OK - Can you do a jar tvf on it? Permissions OK etc

Yep. 

-rw-r--r--1 tomcat4  tomcat4  12052601 Feb 15 16:12 cocoon.war

  I and some co-workers have also been trying to get Cocoon
  running. I was recently put on a different project, but my
  co-workers report that downgrading to Tomcat 4.0.1 made things
  work. You might try that.

Ah. Should that have read 4.0.1 above? Many thanks, I'll try.

///Peter


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Re: Newbie FAQ (was Re: Just starting COCOON

2002-02-18 Thread Peter Flynn

Found it. 4.0.1 only delivers and init.d script, no link.
Started up fine, but it still ignores cocoon.war

What *is* the trick to make tomcat recognise cocoon.war?
Why the mystery?

///Peter

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Re: Newbie FAQ (was Re: Just starting COCOON

2002-02-17 Thread Peter Schwenke


There has been discussions on the list that it is better to stick with
Tomcat 4.0.2 for now.
(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-usersm=101363193404329w=2)

That was an error after it started, though.  

Is the war file OK - Can you do a jar tvf on it? Permissions OK etc

 ...Peter
Jessica Perry Hekman writes:
  On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Peter Flynn wrote:
  
  Apache Tomcat/4.0.2 - HTTP Status 404 - /cocoon
  type Status report
  message /cocoon
  description The requested resource (/cocoon) is not available.
   
   Cocoon.war is still sitting there in /var/tomcat4/webapps and nothing
   I can find to do will persuade tomcat to recognise it or do anything
   with it. From what I can glean from the docs, something (tomcat?) is
  
  I and some co-workers have also been trying to get Cocoon running. I was
  recently put on a different project, but my co-workers report that
  downgrading to Tomcat 4.0.1 made things work. You might try that.
  
  j
  
  
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Re: Newbie FAQ (was Re: Just starting COCOON

2002-02-15 Thread Peter Flynn

I'm trying to fill in the gaps in the documentation of the procedure
for bringing up Cocoon. I'm doing this under a virgin installation of
Red Hat 7.2 (enigma) with Apache 1.3, IBM Java2, and Tomcat4 (4.0.2). 
I'm sticking with RPMs as far as possible for the underlying support.

(I previously had Cocoon 1 running very happily under
RH6.2/Apache/JServ/Xerces/Xalan for about a year, and I have brought
up Cocoon 1 under W2K for a client on several machines, so I hadn't
reckoned on this being as difficult as it turns out.)

It's not clear if this is a tomcat or a cocoon problem, or a bit
of both, but it's obviously fairly major, so I'm posting to both
user lists.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:21:21 -0800, Vadim Gritsenko wrote

 Some more comments to follow Roger's email:
 
 I tried Cocoon binary download ... and it worked. Assuming that you
 have:
 
 1. Servlet engine - Tomcat 4.0, Tomcat 3.3, or Resin 2.0.4
 2. Windows machine or *NIX with X running (it is the case for the
 development machine, isn't it?)

OK, both of these are fine, but the Tomcat default is port 8180
(undocumented). I installed (in order):

IBMJava2-SDK-1.3-10.0
regexp-1.2-1
servletapi4-4.0.2-1
xerces-j-1.4.4-1
xerces-j-demo-1.4.4-1
tomcat4-4.0.2-1
tomcat4-webapps-4.0.2-1

and edited the /etc/tomcat4/conf/tomcat4.conf for the location
of IBM's Java (didn't need changing).

Also undocumented is the fact that the RPMs omit the startup.sh script
and the tomcat4 binary by that name, and instead include
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S80tomcat4 and /bin/dtomcat4.

But it appears to start up without error, and the tomcat page appears
at http://localhost:8180 just fine.

So I unwrapped cocoon-2.0.1-bin.tar.gz and copied cocoon.war to
/var/tomcat4/webapps, and stopped and restarted tomcat4. 

 You have to just drop pre-compiled cocoon.war, and it will work out of
 the box as soon as container recognizes it (usually, restart is
 required).

This is the problem. It's unrecognised. Trying to access
http://localhost:8180/cocoon gets me:

   Apache Tomcat/4.0.2 - HTTP Status 404 - /cocoon
   type Status report
   message /cocoon
   description The requested resource (/cocoon) is not available.

Cocoon.war is still sitting there in /var/tomcat4/webapps and nothing
I can find to do will persuade tomcat to recognise it or do anything
with it. From what I can glean from the docs, something (tomcat?) is
supposed to open up cocoon.war and compile something out of it the
first time tomcat is restarted. Presumably this means the simple
presence of cocoon.war in /var/tomcat4/webapps is supposed to be
enough to trigger tomcat into doing something with it? If so,
something looks to be broken or hasn't been adequately documented.

 But: You may run into a problem if:
 1. You do not have X (or never heard of it ;)

XFree86 is running.

 2. You do not have Xvfb (or never heard of it)

I didn't have it, but I do now (XFree86-Xvfb-4.1.0-3).
Stopped and restarted tomcat4 but cocoon still inactive as before.

 3. You never heard of PJA and you do not know how to install it.

Certainly, but it gets no mention in the docs.
But it seems to be for headless systems, and I'm running X.

 4. You run Cocoon 2-nd, 3-rd, n-th time and see exception thrown by
 HSQLDB (which was not there at the first run)

Can't run cocoon because tomcat says it doesn't know about it
(as above). 

 5. You want to remove SVG stuff completely

SVG? What's SVG got to do with it? (Yes I know what SVG is, but
I don't see its relevance here.)

 6. You upgraded Cocoon and it stopped working

Nope, fresh install.

 Some of these situations are covered in the installation doc and in the
 FAQ, others I will try to cover here:
 3: PJA installation instructions (as it was reported by some users) have
 flaws; it was recommended to use installation instructions provided on
 PJA site.

There are no installation instruction on http://www.eteks.com/pja/en/
but I'm assuming that I don't need it as I run X.

 I hope I covered here 80 to 90% of the newbie problems here.

Mine is obviously one of the 10-20% but it seems more critical.

An earlier user (Roger?) wrote:

  how to use it, all in one huge example webapp (much beyond a
  typical Hello World! example).  Your starting point is getting
  this one huge example web app to deploy once or twice on tomcat by
  placing the cocoon.war file in the webapps folder of tomcat.

Once or twice? Getting it to run once would be nice :-)

  The as is Cocoon installation either works or it doesn't.  There
  is nothing you can do right or wrong.

This needs some expansion. If it's shipped wrongly configured,
perhaps it would be better not to ship it at all, but make people
build it.

  Just copy the cocoon.war to the %TOMCAT_HOME%\webapps yourself.
  Fire tomcat up.  It either works or you got a bum revision or copy

:-) Won't be the first time...

  of Cocoon.war. If it doesn't work the second time you fire it up,
  delete the generated 

Re: Newbie FAQ (was Re: Just starting COCOON

2002-02-15 Thread Jessica Perry Hekman

On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Peter Flynn wrote:

Apache Tomcat/4.0.2 - HTTP Status 404 - /cocoon
type Status report
message /cocoon
description The requested resource (/cocoon) is not available.
 
 Cocoon.war is still sitting there in /var/tomcat4/webapps and nothing
 I can find to do will persuade tomcat to recognise it or do anything
 with it. From what I can glean from the docs, something (tomcat?) is

I and some co-workers have also been trying to get Cocoon running. I was
recently put on a different project, but my co-workers report that
downgrading to Tomcat 4.0.1 made things work. You might try that.

j


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Newbie FAQ, Re: Just starting COCOON

2002-01-23 Thread Vadim Gritsenko

Some more comments to follow Roger's email:

I tried Cocoon binary download ... and it worked. Assuming that you
have:

1. Servlet engine - Tomcat 4.0, Tomcat 3.3, or Resin 2.0.4
2. Windows machine or *NIX with X running (it is the case for the
development machine, isn't it?)

You have to just drop pre-compiled cocoon.war, and it will work out of
the box as soon as container recognizes it (usually, restart is
required).


But: You may run into a problem if:
1. You do not have X (or never heard of it ;)
2. You do not have Xvfb (or never heard of it)
3. You never heard of PJA and you do not know how to install it.
4. You run Cocoon 2-nd, 3-rd, n-th time and see exception thrown by
HSQLDB (which was not there at the first run)
5. You want to remove SVG stuff completely
6. You upgraded Cocoon and it stopped working

Some of these situations are covered in the installation doc and in the
FAQ, others I will try to cover here:
3: PJA installation instructions (as it was reported by some users) have
flaws; it was recommended to use installation instructions provided on
PJA site.
4: To run HSQLDB again, you need to delete WEB-INF/db/cocoondb.backup
file (Cocoon 2.0.1 will not need this).
5: To remove SVG completely, you need to delete batik libs jar, remove
all svg* serializers from the sitemap, and remove all mentions of these
serializers in *all* sitemaps. After that, many users forget to shutdown
server and remove old working files containing references to batik. Once
these files removed, everything should work like a charm.
6: Do not forget to remove Cocoon's working directory!!!

I hope I covered here 80 to 90% of the newbie problems here.

Regards,
Vadim

 -Original Message-
 From: Roger I Martin PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 10:36 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Just starting COCOON
 
 Understand that what you download from the apache Cocoon site is not a
 software tool or IDE but a super-powered servlet with many
illustrations of
 how to use it, all in one huge example webapp (much beyond a typical
Hello
 World! example).  Your starting point is getting this one huge
example web
 app to deploy once or twice on tomcat by placing the cocoon.war file
in the
 webapps folder of tomcat.  The as is Cocoon installation either
works or
 it doesn't.  There is nothing you can do right or wrong. Especially
for the
 Current Version System CVS revision xml-cocoon2 from the jakarta site
 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsindex.html.  My current tomcat
revision is
 Apache Tomcat/4.0.2-b1.  After I get a stable Cocoon revision running
I use
 it for a few months and back it up religiously when I go for the next
cvs.
 The command line:
 
  build.bat -Dinclude.webapp.libs=yes
-Dinstall.war=%TOMCAT_HOME%\webapps
 
 often will not work depending on the exact TOMCAT_HOME environment
variable
 you are using.  For example c:/Program Files/tomcat... has a space and
can
 cause age old problems.  Just copy the cocoon.war to the
 %TOMCAT_HOME%\webapps yourself.  Fire tomcat up.  It either works or
you got
 a bum revision or copy of Cocoon.war. If it doesn't work the second
time you
 fire it up, delete the generated ...tomcat/work/localhost/cocoon and
the
 ...tomcat/webapps/cocoon folders so that it has to deploy from the
 cocoon.war file again.  May have to do this repeatedly until you
rebuild
 cocoon.war without hsqldb active or start making your own webapp
 project(deployed through your own *.war file).  The problem is with
the
 hsqldb database example has a bug while shutting down.  The sooner
that you
 rebuild cocoon from its sources with
 hsqldb-server class=org.apache.cocoon.components.hsqldb.ServerImpl
 logger=core.hsqldb-server
 pool-max=1 pool-min=1
 parameter name=port value=9002/
 parameter name=silent value=true/
 parameter name=trace value=false/
 /hsqldb-server
 
 commented out in the src/webapp/cocoon.xconf file, the better.  The
the rest
 of the examples will start and stop just find.  Note that some of the
 examples need extra jars placed in the cocoon/lib folder such as
jndi.jar,
 phpsrvlt.jar, etc. The important thing is to get past flopping around
in
 this one huge example webapp and start your own serious webapp as soon
as
 possible after you see Cocoon's one huge example webapp run once or
twice.
 
 Cocoon is not a typically installed software package and so to apply
it to
 your own web app at first is not intuitive.  The documentation has a
long
 way to go to catch up; remember it is a work in progress and tends to
assume
 that we know the small but totally baffling how-to-get-started stuff.
I
 finally discovered a cool way to do it and perhaps with editing from
the
 Cocoon 2 Team we can put together a How to apply Cocoon 2 for their
web
 site.  The most important thing is to set up your own webapp project
build
 area.  This takes some work but you can do it in stages.  To start,
create a
 project folder(sibling to the xml-cocoon2 folder), name it according

Re: Just starting COCOON

2002-01-19 Thread Roger I Martin PhD
 not in immediate use just lies dormant.  Finding the
first welcome page can require some sleuthing.  Currently it is nearly half
way down sitemap.xmap and looks like:
map:pipeline

map:match pattern=

map:redirect-to uri=welcome/

/map:match

map:match pattern=welcome

map:generate src=docs/samples/samples.xml/

...

So ...src/webapp/docs/samples/samples.xml is the home page!  For those
familiar with Cocoon, this is no surprise but this was where I first started
to catch on!  What it meant to me is that I could start building my own
serious webapp now that I had the starting page and could study, modify
small parts of the whole to observe the changes that would occur after each
redeployment on tomcat.  I changed the welcome pattern matching to:
map:pipeline
map:match pattern=

map:redirect-to uri=welcome/

/map:match

map:match pattern=welcome

map:generate src=home.xml/

where home.xml is a stripped down ...src/webapp/docs/samples/samples.xml to
pieces pertinent to my serious webapp.  It depends at this point on what you
want your web app to do.  For me I already had a number of mysql databases I
wanted to display and administrate so I studied
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/datasources.html and pooled them up.
Then got into my own xsp development applying the esql.xsl stylesheet.
Studying xsl is very important for creating your own webapp's consistent
look and feel.  The consistent look and feel is maintained by the xsl
stylesheets and the formatted objects namespace
xmlns:fo=http:www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Format.  Only a few of the xsl
stylesheets in the one huge example cocoon webapp are sacred and those are
mostly in ...src/java.  Others such as
...src/webapp/stylesheets/page/simple-page2html.xsl you are encouraged to
modify, rename or replace (updating the sitemap.xmap pattern matching
required) in your webapp.  The power of Cocoon is that when you change a
presentation attribute or style, after the next build and deployment, your
entire website has the new look and feel consistently throughout it's pages.
After some up front hard work, web site maintainance becomes dynamic and
fun; not a mundane chore. Here we would need to branch into chapters; one
for each stylesheet or webapp segments goal?

This is Saturday morning, January 19 and I just couldn't focus on my
projects so I tried to help someone else instead. Those just starting keep
asking [specific] questions and those with more experience than me, please
revise this description of How to apply Cocoon 2 or use anything from this
message if you find anything includable in the documentation.

Regards,

Roger

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 I have got to work but have a difficult time understanding. I tried some
 samples with devshed and could not get them to work.

 Sree
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RE: Just starting COCOON

2002-01-18 Thread Sreekanth . Payyavula

I have got to work but have a difficult time understanding. I tried some
samples with devshed and could not get them to work. 

Sree
x5178

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I got it up and running, the documentation must be written better in Italian
because the English version is Terrible!  Thank you very much for your
help...

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Alexander,

I'd suggest to download Cocoon sources and re-compile (using build,bat).
I downloaded the binaries too... but never managed to make them run (on the
other hand the compiled sources run).

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 From: Alexander Churin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 6:24 PM
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 Subject: Just starting COCOON


 I have been reading these install docs back and forth for 2 days now and I
 am missing something.  I am running Tomcat 4.0 using the Catalina
 web server
 on win2000 and winXP.  It is working just fine and I want to add COCOON to
 the whole thing.  So after downloading the latest binary distribution of
 COCOON 2.0 I am in the process of setting it up.  The install
 file tells me
 to BUILD cocoon using build. bat.  Well I don't have build.bat.  No clue
 where to find it either.  I moved the war file that cam in the zip to the
 tomcat/webapps dir and that did nothing so I guess I have to build it even
 though I have downloaded the binaries.

 so far I have set up
 SET JAVA_HOME=C:\jdk1.3.1_01

 my next step is:
 build.bat -Dinclude.webapp.libs=yes -Dinstall.war=%TOMCAT_HOME%\webapps
 install

 I get the error:
 'build.bat' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable
 program or batch file.

 Please, someone save me!


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RE: Just starting COCOON

2002-01-17 Thread Luca Morandini

Alexander,

I'd suggest to download Cocoon sources and re-compile (using build,bat).
I downloaded the binaries too... but never managed to make them run (on the
other hand the compiled sources run).

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 -Original Message-
 From: Alexander Churin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 6:24 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Just starting COCOON


 I have been reading these install docs back and forth for 2 days now and I
 am missing something.  I am running Tomcat 4.0 using the Catalina
 web server
 on win2000 and winXP.  It is working just fine and I want to add COCOON to
 the whole thing.  So after downloading the latest binary distribution of
 COCOON 2.0 I am in the process of setting it up.  The install
 file tells me
 to BUILD cocoon using build. bat.  Well I don't have build.bat.  No clue
 where to find it either.  I moved the war file that cam in the zip to the
 tomcat/webapps dir and that did nothing so I guess I have to build it even
 though I have downloaded the binaries.

 so far I have set up
 SET JAVA_HOME=C:\jdk1.3.1_01

 my next step is:
 build.bat -Dinclude.webapp.libs=yes -Dinstall.war=%TOMCAT_HOME%\webapps
 install

 I get the error:
 'build.bat' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable
 program or batch file.

 Please, someone save me!


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AW: Just starting COCOON

2002-01-17 Thread Eugen Kimmerstorfer

The problem is that you launch a batch-file (*.bat), e.g. build.bat
with build and not with build.bat (it's the same with any program
(*.exe, *.com, ...), by the way ...).

So the command you have to use is:

  build -Dinclude.

Greetings,
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 Von: Alexander Churin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Jänner 2002 18:24
 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Betreff: Just starting COCOON
 
 
 I have been reading these install docs back and forth for 2 
 days now and I am missing something.  I am running Tomcat 4.0 
 using the Catalina web server on win2000 and winXP.  It is 
 working just fine and I want to add COCOON to the whole 
 thing.  So after downloading the latest binary distribution 
 of COCOON 2.0 I am in the process of setting it up.  The 
 install file tells me to BUILD cocoon using build. bat.  Well 
 I don't have build.bat.  No clue where to find it either.  I 
 moved the war file that cam in the zip to the tomcat/webapps 
 dir and that did nothing so I guess I have to build it even 
 though I have downloaded the binaries.
 
 so far I have set up
 SET JAVA_HOME=C:\jdk1.3.1_01
 
 my next step is:
 build.bat -Dinclude.webapp.libs=yes 
 -Dinstall.war=%TOMCAT_HOME%\webapps
 install
 
 I get the error:
 'build.bat' is not recognized as an internal or external 
 command, operable program or batch file.
 
 Please, someone save me!
 
 
 
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