Re: Training others on Cocoon - suggestions?
I am planning on covering XSLT in the first part, as their skills are weak in this field and I believe this is a key topic for effective use of Cocoon. I don't know your public, but what I've found when mentoring or teaching people to use Cocoon is that they are often overwhelmed by the many different technologies and skills involved. IMHO you can do a lot with some XSLT, some sitemap config, some log exploration skills, etc. without having to go deep in any of these at first. What my students/colleagues found distracting was using all the different components involved without understanding any of them in detail (at first). OTOH I think it's a good idea to start with some XSLT, which can be disturbing enough for people to warrant being treated separately from Cocoon. Hope this helps, Bertrand - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Training others on Cocoon - suggestions?
Thanks Bertrand I know I always make the mistake of trying to cover too much! OTOH, when you say your students did not cope with "using all the different components involved without understanding any of them in detail (at first)." I smile because thats *exactly* the way I do learn; trying things out to see if they work and only worrying about understanding much later - that way I quickly build up a "big picture" without being bogged down. Derek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/02/2003 04:43:39 I am planning on covering XSLT in the first part, as their skills are weak in this field and I believe this is a key topic for effective use of Cocoon.I don't know your public, but what I've found when mentoring or teaching people to use Cocoon is that they are often overwhelmed by the many different technologies and skills involved.IMHO you can do a lot with some XSLT, some sitemap config, some log exploration skills, etc. without having to go deep in any of these at first.What my students/colleagues found distracting was using all the different components involved without understanding any of them in detail (at first).OTOH I think it's a good idea to start with some XSLT, which can be disturbing enough for people to warrant being treated separately from Cocoon.Hope this helps,Bertrand-Please check that your question has not already been answered in theFAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.htmlTo unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. "The CSIR exercises no editorial control over E-mail messages and/or attachments thereto/links referred to therein originating in the organisation and the views in this message/attachments thereto are therefore not necessarily those of the CSIR and/or its employees. The sender of this e-mail is, moreover, in terms of the CSIR's Conditions of Service, subject to compliance with the CSIR's internal E-mail and Internet Policy."
Re: Training others on Cocoon - suggestions?
Derek, I tried to send a PDF of the training that we used, but it was too large for the list to accept. (It is 288K) Send me an email directly if you want it. Here are the topics in it: 1. Basics a. Directory Structure b. cocoon.xconf c. web.xml d. sitemap e. pipeline basics f. built in generators g. built in transformers h. built in serializers i. protocols (cocoon, context, etc) j. lab 2. Custom components a. Selectors b. actions c. transformers d. generators e. avalon interfaces f. lab 3. XSP a. basics b. advanced c. lab I also have a PDF of our XLST training, but it is too large as well. I can send it to you directly if you want. Irv Derek Hohls wrote: Thanks Bertrand I know I always make the mistake of trying to cover too much! OTOH, when you say your students did not cope with using all the different components involved without understanding any of them in detail (at first). I smile because thats *exactly* the way I do learn; trying things out to see if they work and only worrying about understanding much later - that way I quickly build up a big picture without being bogged down. Derek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/02/2003 04:43:39 I am planning on covering XSLT in the first part, as their skills are weak in this field and I believe this is a key topic for effective use of Cocoon. I don't know your public, but what I've found when mentoring or teaching people to use Cocoon is that they are often overwhelmed by the many different technologies and skills involved. IMHO you can do a lot with some XSLT, some sitemap config, some log exploration skills, etc. without having to go deep in any of these at first. What my students/colleagues found distracting was using all the different components involved without understanding any of them in detail (at first). OTOH I think it's a good idea to start with some XSLT, which can be disturbing enough for people to warrant being treated separately from Cocoon. Hope this helps, Bertrand - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. The CSIR exercises no editorial control over E-mail messages and/or attachments thereto/links referred to therein originating in the organisation and the views in this message/attachments thereto are therefore not necessarily those of the CSIR and/or its employees. The sender of this e-mail is, moreover, in terms of the CSIR's Conditions of Service, subject to compliance with the CSIR's internal E-mail and Internet Policy. - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Training others on Cocoon - suggestions?
...I smile because thats *exactly* the way I do learn; trying things out to see if they work and only worrying about understanding much later - that way I quickly build up a big picture without being bogged down. Yes, I do the same, but it seems like many junior coworkers or students have a hard time with this, they feel unsecure if they don't know *everything* ;-) -Bertrand - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Training others on Cocoon - suggestions?
Would it be possible to have these two pdf's hosted somewhere? Tutorial material on XSLT and Cocoon would be very useful for me. Thanks Steve -Original Message- From: Irv Salisbury III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 February 2003 15:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Training others on Cocoon - suggestions? Derek, I tried to send a PDF of the training that we used, but it was too large for the list to accept. (It is 288K) Send me an email directly if you want it. Here are the topics in it: 1. Basics a. Directory Structure b. cocoon.xconf c. web.xml d. sitemap e. pipeline basics f. built in generators g. built in transformers h. built in serializers i. protocols (cocoon, context, etc) j. lab 2. Custom components a. Selectors b. actions c. transformers d. generators e. avalon interfaces f. lab 3. XSP a. basics b. advanced c. lab I also have a PDF of our XLST training, but it is too large as well. I can send it to you directly if you want. Irv Derek Hohls wrote: Thanks Bertrand I know I always make the mistake of trying to cover too much! OTOH, when you say your students did not cope with using all the different components involved without understanding any of them in detail (at first). I smile because thats *exactly* the way I do learn; trying things out to see if they work and only worrying about understanding much later - that way I quickly build up a big picture without being bogged down. Derek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/02/2003 04:43:39 I am planning on covering XSLT in the first part, as their skills are weak in this field and I believe this is a key topic for effective use of Cocoon. I don't know your public, but what I've found when mentoring or teaching people to use Cocoon is that they are often overwhelmed by the many different technologies and skills involved. IMHO you can do a lot with some XSLT, some sitemap config, some log exploration skills, etc. without having to go deep in any of these at first. What my students/colleagues found distracting was using all the different components involved without understanding any of them in detail (at first). OTOH I think it's a good idea to start with some XSLT, which can be disturbing enough for people to warrant being treated separately from Cocoon. Hope this helps, Bertrand - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. The CSIR exercises no editorial control over E-mail messages and/or attachments thereto/links referred to therein originating in the organisation and the views in this message/attachments thereto are therefore not necessarily those of the CSIR and/or its employees. The sender of this e-mail is, moreover, in terms of the CSIR's Conditions of Service, subject to compliance with the CSIR's internal E-mail and Internet Policy. - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Training others on Cocoon - suggestions?
Our whole training environment here at DOTech is actually based on Cocoon. We write our slides in XML and use Cocoon to transform them while training into HTML. It works great and people love it here. We also use XSL:FO to transform them to PDF for printing. It is a little rough around the edges, but I'll see if I can get the thing hosted on our company's website. As a minimum, I can at least get the PDFs up there later. Irv Steve Homer wrote: Would it be possible to have these two pdf's hosted somewhere? Tutorial material on XSLT and Cocoon would be very useful for me. Thanks Steve -Original Message- From: Irv Salisbury III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 February 2003 15:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Training others on Cocoon - suggestions? Derek, I tried to send a PDF of the training that we used, but it was too large for the list to accept. (It is 288K) Send me an email directly if you want it. Here are the topics in it: 1. Basics a. Directory Structure b. cocoon.xconf c. web.xml d. sitemap e. pipeline basics f. built in generators g. built in transformers h. built in serializers i. protocols (cocoon, context, etc) j. lab 2. Custom components a. Selectors b. actions c. transformers d. generators e. avalon interfaces f. lab 3. XSP a. basics b. advanced c. lab I also have a PDF of our XLST training, but it is too large as well. I can send it to you directly if you want. Irv Derek Hohls wrote: Thanks Bertrand I know I always make the mistake of trying to cover too much! OTOH, when you say your students did not cope with using all the different components involved without understanding any of them in detail (at first). I smile because thats *exactly* the way I do learn; trying things out to see if they work and only worrying about understanding much later - that way I quickly build up a big picture without being bogged down. Derek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/02/2003 04:43:39 I am planning on covering XSLT in the first part, as their skills are weak in this field and I believe this is a key topic for effective use of Cocoon. I don't know your public, but what I've found when mentoring or teaching people to use Cocoon is that they are often overwhelmed by the many different technologies and skills involved. IMHO you can do a lot with some XSLT, some sitemap config, some log exploration skills, etc. without having to go deep in any of these at first. What my students/colleagues found distracting was using all the different components involved without understanding any of them in detail (at first). OTOH I think it's a good idea to start with some XSLT, which can be disturbing enough for people to warrant being treated separately from Cocoon. Hope this helps, Bertrand - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. The CSIR exercises no editorial control over E-mail messages and/or attachments thereto/links referred to therein originating in the organisation and the views in this message/attachments thereto are therefore not necessarily those of the CSIR and/or its employees. The sender of this e-mail is, moreover, in terms of the CSIR's Conditions of Service, subject to compliance with the CSIR's internal E-mail and Internet Policy. - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Training others on Cocoon - suggestions?
Irv Salisbury III wrote: Derek, I tried to send a PDF of the training that we used, but it was too large for the list to accept. (It is 288K) Send me an email directly if you want it. Here are the topics in it: Irv has sent me the PDFs and they are up on the Wiki: http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Tutorials Very kind of you, Irv - thanks! /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
