Re: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Hi Matthew,
Thanks for the response...
I am done with the Authentication stuffs. And i am more concern on how I'll
create my Roles ( admin, guest, user ) and on where would these datas be
saved. Since the Authentication framework is providing a way to managed
users and user roles.
Thanks again
Richard
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From: Matthew Langham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Richard,
this is the correct link to the _current_ version (in 2.1-dev):
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/authentication.html
Can I use it with a database?
Yes - the authentication framework maps functions to pipelines. And as such
a pipeline can do whatever _you_ want.
Where would the user data be stored?
Wherever _you_ want it to be.
Do I need to include the portal in my applications?
No.
Matthew
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-Original Message-
From: Richard Reyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:53 PM
To: C2 Users
Subject: RE: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Hi Matthew,
I have read the documentation a couple of times... this one
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/sunrise.html
But still, I cannot understand or apply anything on the User
Administration...
Can I use it with a database?
Where would the user data be stored?
Do I need to include the portal in my applications?
Thanks again..
Richard
===
Have you guys read the documentation? The authentication framework is
explained in detail here:
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/index.html
Let me know if you have any additional questions.
Matthew
--
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=
Matthew Langham, SN AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
Tel:+49-5251-1581-30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.s-und-n.de
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Cocoon book:
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Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:07 AM
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Subject: Re: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
I've looked at the user admin and the authentication in general. (not
the
sunrise scratchpad but what's now in the main branch).
As best as I can figure there's a generator that works with the
AuthenticationManager to create an interactive page to get users, a
user,
roles, a role, create a user, create a role, update a user, delete a
user,
delete a role. These simply call the various corresponding resources
that
you set up with the sitemap.xml (authentication manager section within
the
components). As far as I can tell nothing is really done with them
apart
from what you do in the resource. so the UI really calls the resource
that
you configured and you do something with it. Whatever occurs is not
automagically used within Cocoon's authentication.
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RE: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Have you guys read the documentation? The authentication framework is
explained in detail here:
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/index.html
Let me know if you have any additional questions.
Matthew
--
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=
Matthew Langham, SN AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
Tel:+49-5251-1581-30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.s-und-n.de
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Cocoon book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712352/needacake-20
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
I've looked at the user admin and the authentication in general. (not the
sunrise scratchpad but what's now in the main branch).
As best as I can figure there's a generator that works with the
AuthenticationManager to create an interactive page to get users, a user,
roles, a role, create a user, create a role, update a user, delete a user,
delete a role. These simply call the various corresponding resources that
you set up with the sitemap.xml (authentication manager section within the
components). As far as I can tell nothing is really done with them apart
from what you do in the resource. so the UI really calls the resource that
you configured and you do something with it. Whatever occurs is not
automagically used within Cocoon's authentication.
Hypersonic appears to only be used for sample applications not for
authentication. so no users, roles or the association between the two is
stored. I've found absolutely no JDBC code within the authenication/session
pieces.
My reason for looking into this was from a scalability point of view. I
like Hypersonic DB for prototyping but not for serious production code. So
i was trying to make sure this wasn't being used at all for authenication.
The usage of resources allows you to use your own persistence mechanism,
e.g. LDAP, database, XML file, etc.
Also I was looking at the session management. My gripe is that it uses
HttpSession and didn't make use of calling out to resources as the
authentication manager did. If the user wanted to use HttpSession or the
database or... let them do that in the called resource. So ideally there's
a getProperties and a saveProperties resource (oh well).
Also the roles is really confusing, as within the authentication manager
it's not used at all as far as I can tell (it's probably used in the
portal). There's a roleFilterTransformer that goes off of the J2EE role
that you'd set for the web.xml and use the isUserInRole method. That's all
the transformer does. it doesn't actually use the role from the
authentication manager??? so these are unrelated pieces of code.
So the role information that you return from the authenication resource
appears to be left to the developer to make use of somehow, assuming they're
not using Cocoon's portal offering. I'm fairly certain the portal uses the
role but I've not looked at the portal component at all.
hope that helps. md
At 19:57 11/10/2002 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Guys,
Can anybody give me anything...
I really don't have any clear idea on how to start on this...
Any working samples...
Thanks Again.
Richard
-
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From: Richard Reyes
To: C2 Users
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:14 PM
Subject: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Hi Guys,
How does the SunRise User Administration function?
Are the Roles and Users saved in a Database?
Do we have any tutorials?
Thanks in Advance...
Richard
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RE: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Thank you Matthew
I've read it adn it seemed fairly understandable, sort of, except for the
chapter on The authentication resource, which introduces this syntax:
authentication uri=cocoon:raw://authenticationresource/ without
explaining what raw is about, and give a practical example of how to
actually utilize an authentication resource.
cocoon:raw:// is an extension to the cocoon: protocol allowing you to decide
whether you want any request parameters passed into the new pipeline you are
calling. If you add :raw then no request parameters are passed.
Anyone have an example of how to use MySQl as the authentication resource?
An authentication is just a normal pipeline. So you could look at the
example pipeline (which authenticates against a file) and then change that
to add the sql transformer etc.
Matthew
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From: Brandes, Wayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:05 PM
To: 'Matthew Langham '
Subject: RE: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
I've read it adn it seemed fairly understandable, sort of, except for the
chapter on The authentication resource, which introduces this syntax:
authentication uri=cocoon:raw://authenticationresource/ without
explaining what raw is about, and give a practical example of how to
actually utilize an authentication resource.
Anyone have an example of how to use MySQl as the authentication resource?
W
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From: Matthew Langham
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/14/2002 2:36 AM
Subject: RE: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Have you guys read the documentation? The authentication framework is
explained in detail here:
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/index.html
Let me know if you have any additional questions.
Matthew
--
Open Source Group Cocoon { Consulting, Training, Projects }
=
Matthew Langham, SN AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
Tel:+49-5251-1581-30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.s-und-n.de
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Cocoon book:
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
I've looked at the user admin and the authentication in general. (not
the
sunrise scratchpad but what's now in the main branch).
As best as I can figure there's a generator that works with the
AuthenticationManager to create an interactive page to get users, a
user,
roles, a role, create a user, create a role, update a user, delete a
user,
delete a role. These simply call the various corresponding resources
that
you set up with the sitemap.xml (authentication manager section within
the
components). As far as I can tell nothing is really done with them
apart
from what you do in the resource. so the UI really calls the resource
that
you configured and you do something with it. Whatever occurs is not
automagically used within Cocoon's authentication.
Hypersonic appears to only be used for sample applications not for
authentication. so no users, roles or the association between the two
is
stored. I've found absolutely no JDBC code within the
authenication/session
pieces.
My reason for looking into this was from a scalability point of view. I
like Hypersonic DB for prototyping but not for serious production code.
So
i was trying to make sure this wasn't being used at all for
authenication.
The usage of resources allows you to use your own persistence mechanism,
e.g. LDAP, database, XML file, etc.
Also I was looking at the session management. My gripe is that it uses
HttpSession and didn't make use of calling out to resources as the
authentication manager did. If the user wanted to use HttpSession or
the
database or... let them do that in the called resource. So ideally
there's
a getProperties and a saveProperties resource (oh well).
Also the roles is really confusing, as within the authentication manager
it's not used at all as far as I can tell (it's probably used in the
portal). There's a roleFilterTransformer that goes off of the J2EE role
that you'd set for the web.xml and use the isUserInRole method. That's
all
the transformer does. it doesn't actually use the role from the
authentication manager??? so these are unrelated pieces of code.
So the role information that you return from the authenication resource
appears to be left to the developer to make use of somehow, assuming
they're
not using Cocoon's portal offering. I'm fairly certain the portal uses
the
role but I've not looked at the portal component at all.
hope that helps. md
At 19:57 11/10/2002 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Guys,
Can anybody give me anything...
I really don't have any clear idea on how
RE: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Hi Matthew,
I have read the documentation a couple of times... this one
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/sunrise.html
But still, I cannot understand or apply anything on the User
Administration...
Can I use it with a database?
Where would the user data be stored?
Do I need to include the portal in my applications?
Thanks again..
Richard
===
Have you guys read the documentation? The authentication framework is
explained in detail here:
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/index.html
Let me know if you have any additional questions.
Matthew
--
Open Source Group Cocoon { Consulting, Training, Projects }
=
Matthew Langham, SN AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
Tel:+49-5251-1581-30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.s-und-n.de
-
Cocoon book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712352/needacake-20
=
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
I've looked at the user admin and the authentication in general. (not
the
sunrise scratchpad but what's now in the main branch).
As best as I can figure there's a generator that works with the
AuthenticationManager to create an interactive page to get users, a
user,
roles, a role, create a user, create a role, update a user, delete a
user,
delete a role. These simply call the various corresponding resources
that
you set up with the sitemap.xml (authentication manager section within
the
components). As far as I can tell nothing is really done with them
apart
from what you do in the resource. so the UI really calls the resource
that
you configured and you do something with it. Whatever occurs is not
automagically used within Cocoon's authentication.
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RE: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Richard,
this is the correct link to the _current_ version (in 2.1-dev):
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/authentication.html
Can I use it with a database?
Yes - the authentication framework maps functions to pipelines. And as such
a pipeline can do whatever _you_ want.
Where would the user data be stored?
Wherever _you_ want it to be.
Do I need to include the portal in my applications?
No.
Matthew
--
Open Source Group Cocoon { Consulting, Training, Projects }
=
Matthew Langham, SN AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
Tel:+49-5251-1581-30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.s-und-n.de
-
Cocoon book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712352/needacake-20
=
-Original Message-
From: Richard Reyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:53 PM
To: C2 Users
Subject: RE: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Hi Matthew,
I have read the documentation a couple of times... this one
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/sunrise.html
But still, I cannot understand or apply anything on the User
Administration...
Can I use it with a database?
Where would the user data be stored?
Do I need to include the portal in my applications?
Thanks again..
Richard
===
Have you guys read the documentation? The authentication framework is
explained in detail here:
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/developing/webapps/index.html
Let me know if you have any additional questions.
Matthew
--
Open Source Group Cocoon { Consulting, Training, Projects }
=
Matthew Langham, SN AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
Tel:+49-5251-1581-30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.s-und-n.de
-
Cocoon book:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
I've looked at the user admin and the authentication in general. (not
the
sunrise scratchpad but what's now in the main branch).
As best as I can figure there's a generator that works with the
AuthenticationManager to create an interactive page to get users, a
user,
roles, a role, create a user, create a role, update a user, delete a
user,
delete a role. These simply call the various corresponding resources
that
you set up with the sitemap.xml (authentication manager section within
the
components). As far as I can tell nothing is really done with them
apart
from what you do in the resource. so the UI really calls the resource
that
you configured and you do something with it. Whatever occurs is not
automagically used within Cocoon's authentication.
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Re: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
I've looked at the user admin and the authentication in general. (not the sunrise scratchpad but what's now in the main branch). As best as I can figure there's a generator that works with the AuthenticationManager to create an interactive page to get users, a user, roles, a role, create a user, create a role, update a user, delete a user, delete a role. These simply call the various corresponding resources that you set up with the sitemap.xml (authentication manager section within the components). As far as I can tell nothing is really done with them apart from what you do in the resource. so the UI really calls the resource that you configured and you do something with it. Whatever occurs is not automagically used within Cocoon's authentication. Hypersonic appears to only be used for sample applications not for authentication. so no users, roles or the association between the two is stored. I've found absolutely no JDBC code within the authenication/session pieces. My reason for looking into this was from a scalability point of view. I like Hypersonic DB for prototyping but not for serious production code. So i was trying to make sure this wasn't being used at all for authenication. The usage of resources allows you to use your own persistence mechanism, e.g. LDAP, database, XML file, etc. Also I was looking at the session management. My gripe is that it uses HttpSession and didn't make use of calling out to resources as the authentication manager did. If the user wanted to use HttpSession or the database or... let them do that in the called resource. So ideally there's a getProperties and a saveProperties resource (oh well). Also the roles is really confusing, as within the authentication manager it's not used at all as far as I can tell (it's probably used in the portal). There's a roleFilterTransformer that goes off of the J2EE role that you'd set for the web.xml and use the isUserInRole method. That's all the transformer does. it doesn't actually use the role from the authentication manager??? so these are unrelated pieces of code. So the role information that you return from the authenication resource appears to be left to the developer to make use of somehow, assuming they're not using Cocoon's portal offering. I'm fairly certain the portal uses the role but I've not looked at the portal component at all. hope that helps. md At 19:57 11/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hi Guys, Can anybody give me anything... I really don't have any clear idea on how to start on this... Any working samples... Thanks Again. Richard - - Original Message - From: Richard Reyes To: C2 Users Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: sunRise User Administration for Dummies Hi Guys, How does the SunRise User Administration function? Are the Roles and Users saved in a Database? Do we have any tutorials? Thanks in Advance... Richard - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. TITLE=http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html TARGET=_blankhttp://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. TITLE=http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html TARGET=_blankhttp://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Hi Guys, Can anybody give me anything... I really don't have any clear idea on how to start on this... Any working samples... Thanks Again. Richard - - Original Message - From: Richard Reyes To: C2 Users Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: sunRise User Administration for Dummies Hi Guys, How does the SunRise User Administration function? Are the Roles and Users saved in a Database? Do we have any tutorials? Thanks in Advance... Richard - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sunRise User Administration for Dummies
Wow, man are you impatient. You can use any source you like. File (as in the sample), database, LDAP, ... If you don't supply the info in the same structure as the original users file, you will have to put a transformer in the pipeline that supplies the info. Find out more on sunRise at http://ziegeler.bei.t-online.de/c2auth.html and http://www.need-a-cake.com/stories/2002/02/28/usingTheSunriseComponents.html If you're serious about Cocoon, get the book by Carsten and Matthew! Bert At 19:57 11/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hi Guys, Can anybody give me anything... I really don't have any clear idea on how to start on this... Any working samples... Thanks Again. Richard - - Original Message - From: Richard Reyes To: C2 Users Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: sunRise User Administration for Dummies Hi Guys, How does the SunRise User Administration function? Are the Roles and Users saved in a Database? Do we have any tutorials? Thanks in Advance... Richard - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
