Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[EDWIN VINCENT SPERR]

Once again, this is a periodic reminder of why *formally* organizing (which may 
or may not involve incorporation in a State) is such a great idea. 

This kind of thing (Who is a member of the community? How do they vote? How do 
you determine whether a vote is properly held and binding?) is *precisely* the 
concern of parliamentary procedure. 

For what it's worth, Robert's is clear on this; a non-vote is just that, a 
non-vote. Only actual votes for yea or nay get tallied and count towards a 
result.

Edwin V. Sperr, MLIS, AHIP
AU/UGA Medical Partnership
Office of Graduate Medical Education
Clinical Information Librarian
 
St. Mary’s Hospital
1230 Baxter Street
Athens, GA 30606
 
p: 706-389-3864
e: esp...@uga.edu | esp...@augusta.edu
w: medicalpartnership.usg.edu

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG] On Behalf Of Carol 
Bean
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 5:20 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

Or, you could post to the web site, the list, all the channels, saying "raise 
your hand if you consider yourself part of the code4lib community,"
and count hands.

Sheesh, people.  Coral's right:  "membership" in this group is amorphous.
It's by self-identification, and can (and does!) change constantly.

Carol

Carol Bean
beanwo...@gmail.com

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Butler, Paul Raymond <prbut...@bsu.edu>
wrote:

> One method would be to count all unique emails that posted to the 
> listserv in say the last 3 years as a baseline for "Active membership" 
> and require say 51% of that number to be consider a quorum for this 
> vote. Another baseline would be the average conference attendance over a 
> period of time.
> So many ways to slice and dice this, if it wasn't established prior to 
> the vote.
>
> Cheers, Paul
> -
> Paul R Butler, mlis
> Library Technologies Support Analyst
> Library Information Technology Services (L.I.T.S) Ball State 
> University Muncie, IN  47306
> P: 765.285.8032
> E: prbut...@bsu.edu
>
> The University Libraries provide services that support student 
> pursuits for academic success and faculty endeavors for knowledge 
> creation and classroom instruction.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG] On Behalf Of 
> Coral Sheldon-Hess
> Sent: October 24, 2017 4:25 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]
>
> That isn't a dumb question, Jason; no, we have not set up a minimum 
> percentage of voters, in part because “membership” in Code4Lib is such 
> an amorphous thing. We definitely do not have 3500 active members, no 
> matter what our listserv subscription looks like. But we do get close 
> to 500 attendees at conferences, not all of whom are the same from 
> year to year, so I will be disappointed in us if we don’t get at LEAST that 
> many votes.
>
> Speaking purely practically, I hope that we will see enough votes come 
> in that nobody tries to argue for invalidating the election results 
> because of it. I will be furious if all of this work was for naught.
>
> Please vote.
>
> Best,
> Coral
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason Bengtson 
> <j.bengtson...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I apologize if this is a dumb question, or something I've just 
> > missed or forgotten, but is there a minimum percentage vote tally 
> > required to certify a result?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > *Jason Bengtson*
> >
> >
> > *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww
> > .j 
> > asonbengtson.com%2F=02%7C01%7Cprbutler%40BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f8
> > 4d
> > 676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da9e30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C6364
> > 44 
> > 735451074274=HrecQio34Qyx7D3SAMf7BQriz%2BAOudSoKvoE8qPISaw%3D&
> > re
> > served=0
> > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww
> > .j 
> > asonbengtson.com%2F=02%7C01%7Cprbutler%40BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f8
> > 4d
> > 676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da9e30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C6364
> > 44 
> > 735451074274=HrecQio34Qyx7D3SAMf7BQriz%2BAOudSoKvoE8qPISaw%3D&
> > re
> > served=0>*
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kyle Banerjee 
> > <kyle.baner...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would be leery of interpreting abstention in that way. Similar 
> > > logic
> > has
> > > been employed in some states to prevent referendums involving tax
> > increases
> > > to be passed.
> > &g

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Carol Bean]

Or, you could post to the web site, the list, all the channels, saying
"raise your hand if you consider yourself part of the code4lib community,"
and count hands.

Sheesh, people.  Coral's right:  "membership" in this group is amorphous.
It's by self-identification, and can (and does!) change constantly.

Carol

Carol Bean
beanwo...@gmail.com

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Butler, Paul Raymond <prbut...@bsu.edu>
wrote:

> One method would be to count all unique emails that posted to the listserv
> in say the last 3 years as a baseline for "Active membership" and require
> say 51% of that number to be consider a quorum for this vote. Another
> baseline would be the average conference attendance over a period of time.
> So many ways to slice and dice this, if it wasn't established prior to the
> vote.
>
> Cheers, Paul
> -
> Paul R Butler, mlis
> Library Technologies Support Analyst
> Library Information Technology Services (L.I.T.S)
> Ball State University
> Muncie, IN  47306
> P: 765.285.8032
> E: prbut...@bsu.edu
>
> The University Libraries provide services that support student pursuits
> for academic success and faculty endeavors for knowledge creation and
> classroom instruction.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG] On Behalf Of
> Coral Sheldon-Hess
> Sent: October 24, 2017 4:25 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]
>
> That isn't a dumb question, Jason; no, we have not set up a minimum
> percentage of voters, in part because “membership” in Code4Lib is such an
> amorphous thing. We definitely do not have 3500 active members, no matter
> what our listserv subscription looks like. But we do get close to 500
> attendees at conferences, not all of whom are the same from year to year,
> so I will be disappointed in us if we don’t get at LEAST that many votes.
>
> Speaking purely practically, I hope that we will see enough votes come in
> that nobody tries to argue for invalidating the election results because of
> it. I will be furious if all of this work was for naught.
>
> Please vote.
>
> Best,
> Coral
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason Bengtson <j.bengtson...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I apologize if this is a dumb question, or something I've just missed
> > or forgotten, but is there a minimum percentage vote tally required to
> > certify a result?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > *Jason Bengtson*
> >
> >
> > *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.j
> > asonbengtson.com%2F=02%7C01%7Cprbutler%40BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f84d
> > 676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da9e30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C636444
> > 735451074274=HrecQio34Qyx7D3SAMf7BQriz%2BAOudSoKvoE8qPISaw%3D
> > served=0
> > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.j
> > asonbengtson.com%2F=02%7C01%7Cprbutler%40BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f84d
> > 676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da9e30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C636444
> > 735451074274=HrecQio34Qyx7D3SAMf7BQriz%2BAOudSoKvoE8qPISaw%3D
> > served=0>*
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kyle Banerjee
> > <kyle.baner...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would be leery of interpreting abstention in that way. Similar
> > > logic
> > has
> > > been employed in some states to prevent referendums involving tax
> > increases
> > > to be passed.
> > >
> > > My sense is that the low vote total reflects that people understand
> > > this
> > is
> > > a serious issue requiring an informed decision. Those who don't have
> > > the time or background to fully digest what each option means might
> > > well hang back rather than unintentionally indicate a preference
> > > that could lead to serious problems.
> > >
> > > In any case, people who feel the current system is fine and don't
> > > want to pursue alternatives can affirmatively choose that we keep
> > > things as they are.
> > >
> > > kyle
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan <emor...@nd.edu>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan <emor...@nd.edu>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes
> > > > >> cast,
> > > so
> > > > >> far, and I suspect more people ar

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Butler, Paul Raymond]

One method would be to count all unique emails that posted to the listserv in 
say the last 3 years as a baseline for "Active membership" and require say 51% 
of that number to be consider a quorum for this vote. Another baseline would be 
the average conference attendance over a period of time. So many ways to slice 
and dice this, if it wasn't established prior to the vote. 

Cheers, Paul
-
Paul R Butler, mlis
Library Technologies Support Analyst
Library Information Technology Services (L.I.T.S)
Ball State University
Muncie, IN  47306
P: 765.285.8032
E: prbut...@bsu.edu

The University Libraries provide services that support student pursuits for 
academic success and faculty endeavors for knowledge creation and classroom 
instruction. 


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG] On Behalf Of Coral 
Sheldon-Hess
Sent: October 24, 2017 4:25 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

That isn't a dumb question, Jason; no, we have not set up a minimum percentage 
of voters, in part because “membership” in Code4Lib is such an amorphous thing. 
We definitely do not have 3500 active members, no matter what our listserv 
subscription looks like. But we do get close to 500 attendees at conferences, 
not all of whom are the same from year to year, so I will be disappointed in us 
if we don’t get at LEAST that many votes.

Speaking purely practically, I hope that we will see enough votes come in that 
nobody tries to argue for invalidating the election results because of it. I 
will be furious if all of this work was for naught.

Please vote.

Best,
Coral

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason Bengtson <j.bengtson...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I apologize if this is a dumb question, or something I've just missed 
> or forgotten, but is there a minimum percentage vote tally required to 
> certify a result?
>
> Best regards,
>
> *Jason Bengtson*
>
>
> *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.j
> asonbengtson.com%2F=02%7C01%7Cprbutler%40BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f84d
> 676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da9e30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C636444
> 735451074274=HrecQio34Qyx7D3SAMf7BQriz%2BAOudSoKvoE8qPISaw%3D
> served=0 
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.j
> asonbengtson.com%2F=02%7C01%7Cprbutler%40BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f84d
> 676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da9e30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C636444
> 735451074274=HrecQio34Qyx7D3SAMf7BQriz%2BAOudSoKvoE8qPISaw%3D
> served=0>*
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kyle Banerjee 
> <kyle.baner...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I would be leery of interpreting abstention in that way. Similar 
> > logic
> has
> > been employed in some states to prevent referendums involving tax
> increases
> > to be passed.
> >
> > My sense is that the low vote total reflects that people understand 
> > this
> is
> > a serious issue requiring an informed decision. Those who don't have 
> > the time or background to fully digest what each option means might 
> > well hang back rather than unintentionally indicate a preference 
> > that could lead to serious problems.
> >
> > In any case, people who feel the current system is fine and don't 
> > want to pursue alternatives can affirmatively choose that we keep 
> > things as they are.
> >
> > kyle
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan <emor...@nd.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan <emor...@nd.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes 
> > > >> cast,
> > so
> > > >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of 
> > > >> this
> > > than
> > > >> have voted, yet.
> > > >>
> > > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%
> > > >> 2Fwww.surveymonkey.com%2Fr%2FK5MWGNC=02%7C01%7Cprbutler%40
> > > >> BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f84d676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da9e
> > > >> 30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C636444735451074274=qbOGUsFut9JQm
> > > >> U%2BctFpDNqPqBpnParSt93vvGE12C4M%3D=0
> > > >
> > > > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community -- 
> > > > will
> > > get enough input to make a sound decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:
> > >
> > >   1. Do nothing
> > >   2. Incorporate
> > >   3. Partner with fiscal agent
> > >
> > > There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each 
> > > non-vote
> > could
> > > be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for 
> > > doing nothing. 8-D  —Earache
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Jason Bengtson]

Thank you very much for answering my question. I'm with you; I agree that
this is a very important vote, and I hope that everyone participates.

Best regards,

*Jason Bengtson*


*http://www.jasonbengtson.com/ *

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess 
wrote:

> That isn't a dumb question, Jason; no, we have not set up a minimum
> percentage of voters, in part because “membership” in Code4Lib is such an
> amorphous thing. We definitely do not have 3500 active members, no matter
> what our listserv subscription looks like. But we do get close to 500
> attendees at conferences, not all of whom are the same from year to year,
> so I will be disappointed in us if we don’t get at LEAST that many votes.
>
> Speaking purely practically, I hope that we will see enough votes come in
> that nobody tries to argue for invalidating the election results because of
> it. I will be furious if all of this work was for naught.
>
> Please vote.
>
> Best,
> Coral
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason Bengtson 
> wrote:
>
> > I apologize if this is a dumb question, or something I've just missed or
> > forgotten, but is there a minimum percentage vote tally required to
> certify
> > a result?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > *Jason Bengtson*
> >
> >
> > *http://www.jasonbengtson.com/ *
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kyle Banerjee 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would be leery of interpreting abstention in that way. Similar logic
> > has
> > > been employed in some states to prevent referendums involving tax
> > increases
> > > to be passed.
> > >
> > > My sense is that the low vote total reflects that people understand
> this
> > is
> > > a serious issue requiring an informed decision. Those who don't have
> the
> > > time or background to fully digest what each option means might well
> hang
> > > back rather than unintentionally indicate a preference that could lead
> to
> > > serious problems.
> > >
> > > In any case, people who feel the current system is fine and don't want
> to
> > > pursue alternatives can affirmatively choose that we keep things as
> they
> > > are.
> > >
> > > kyle
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes
> cast,
> > > so
> > > > >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of
> this
> > > > than
> > > > >> have voted, yet.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community --
> will
> > > > get enough input to make a sound decision.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the
> vote:
> > > >
> > > >   1. Do nothing
> > > >   2. Incorporate
> > > >   3. Partner with fiscal agent
> > > >
> > > > There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote
> > > could
> > > > be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for
> doing
> > > > nothing. 8-D  —Earache
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Coral Sheldon-Hess]

That isn't a dumb question, Jason; no, we have not set up a minimum
percentage of voters, in part because “membership” in Code4Lib is such an
amorphous thing. We definitely do not have 3500 active members, no matter
what our listserv subscription looks like. But we do get close to 500
attendees at conferences, not all of whom are the same from year to year,
so I will be disappointed in us if we don’t get at LEAST that many votes.

Speaking purely practically, I hope that we will see enough votes come in
that nobody tries to argue for invalidating the election results because of
it. I will be furious if all of this work was for naught.

Please vote.

Best,
Coral

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason Bengtson 
wrote:

> I apologize if this is a dumb question, or something I've just missed or
> forgotten, but is there a minimum percentage vote tally required to certify
> a result?
>
> Best regards,
>
> *Jason Bengtson*
>
>
> *http://www.jasonbengtson.com/ *
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kyle Banerjee 
> wrote:
>
> > I would be leery of interpreting abstention in that way. Similar logic
> has
> > been employed in some states to prevent referendums involving tax
> increases
> > to be passed.
> >
> > My sense is that the low vote total reflects that people understand this
> is
> > a serious issue requiring an informed decision. Those who don't have the
> > time or background to fully digest what each option means might well hang
> > back rather than unintentionally indicate a preference that could lead to
> > serious problems.
> >
> > In any case, people who feel the current system is fine and don't want to
> > pursue alternatives can affirmatively choose that we keep things as they
> > are.
> >
> > kyle
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes cast,
> > so
> > > >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of this
> > > than
> > > >> have voted, yet.
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
> > > >
> > > > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community -- will
> > > get enough input to make a sound decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:
> > >
> > >   1. Do nothing
> > >   2. Incorporate
> > >   3. Partner with fiscal agent
> > >
> > > There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote
> > could
> > > be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for doing
> > > nothing. 8-D  —Earache
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Ruth Frasur]

Whoa.  I rarely even read these threads or, if I do, respond just because
of time issues.  But Jason just asked a question

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Jason Bengtson 
wrote:

> I asked a question. Calm down. It was not a joke. I'm sorry it provoked
> such an unfortunately "animated" response.
>
> Best regards,
>
> *Jason Bengtson*
>
>
> *http://www.jasonbengtson.com/ *
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Jonathan Rochkind 
> wrote:
>
> > Do YOU even think that's a good idea Eric, or was it just a joke?  If it
> > was just a joke, let's not, this is already messy enough as it is.
> >
> > If it was serious, and you want anyone to take it seriously (personally I
> > don't think it ought to be), you should make some argument for why it
> would
> > make sense to do so.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jonathan Rochkind 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That is a terrible idea, why would you do that? How do you know how
> many
> > > people are "in the community"? How do you know how many of them are
> still
> > > in the community, pay any attention to the listserv instead of just
> > > filtering it to a folder and never reading it, aren't out sick, etc.
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes
> cast,
> > so
> > >> >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of
> this
> > >> than
> > >> >> have voted, yet.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community --
> will
> > >> get enough input to make a sound decision.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:
> > >>
> > >>   1. Do nothing
> > >>   2. Incorporate
> > >>   3. Partner with fiscal agent
> > >>
> > >> There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote
> > >> could be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track
> for
> > >> doing nothing. 8-D  —Earache
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Jason Bengtson]

I asked a question. Calm down. It was not a joke. I'm sorry it provoked
such an unfortunately "animated" response.

Best regards,

*Jason Bengtson*


*http://www.jasonbengtson.com/ *

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Jonathan Rochkind 
wrote:

> Do YOU even think that's a good idea Eric, or was it just a joke?  If it
> was just a joke, let's not, this is already messy enough as it is.
>
> If it was serious, and you want anyone to take it seriously (personally I
> don't think it ought to be), you should make some argument for why it would
> make sense to do so.
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jonathan Rochkind 
> wrote:
>
> > That is a terrible idea, why would you do that? How do you know how many
> > people are "in the community"? How do you know how many of them are still
> > in the community, pay any attention to the listserv instead of just
> > filtering it to a folder and never reading it, aren't out sick, etc.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes cast,
> so
> >> >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of this
> >> than
> >> >> have voted, yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
> >> >
> >> > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community -- will
> >> get enough input to make a sound decision.
> >>
> >>
> >> Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:
> >>
> >>   1. Do nothing
> >>   2. Incorporate
> >>   3. Partner with fiscal agent
> >>
> >> There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote
> >> could be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for
> >> doing nothing. 8-D  —Earache
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Jonathan Rochkind]

Do YOU even think that's a good idea Eric, or was it just a joke?  If it
was just a joke, let's not, this is already messy enough as it is.

If it was serious, and you want anyone to take it seriously (personally I
don't think it ought to be), you should make some argument for why it would
make sense to do so.

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jonathan Rochkind 
wrote:

> That is a terrible idea, why would you do that? How do you know how many
> people are "in the community"? How do you know how many of them are still
> in the community, pay any attention to the listserv instead of just
> filtering it to a folder and never reading it, aren't out sick, etc.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:
>
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:
>>
>> >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes cast, so
>> >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of this
>> than
>> >> have voted, yet.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
>> >
>> > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community -- will
>> get enough input to make a sound decision.
>>
>>
>> Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:
>>
>>   1. Do nothing
>>   2. Incorporate
>>   3. Partner with fiscal agent
>>
>> There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote
>> could be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for
>> doing nothing. 8-D  —Earache
>>
>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Jonathan Rochkind]

No. There is also no such thing as certifying a result, there is nobody in
particular bound to do anything as a result of this poll regardless.

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Jason Bengtson 
wrote:

> I apologize if this is a dumb question, or something I've just missed or
> forgotten, but is there a minimum percentage vote tally required to certify
> a result?
>
> Best regards,
>
> *Jason Bengtson*
>
>
> *http://www.jasonbengtson.com/ *
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kyle Banerjee 
> wrote:
>
> > I would be leery of interpreting abstention in that way. Similar logic
> has
> > been employed in some states to prevent referendums involving tax
> increases
> > to be passed.
> >
> > My sense is that the low vote total reflects that people understand this
> is
> > a serious issue requiring an informed decision. Those who don't have the
> > time or background to fully digest what each option means might well hang
> > back rather than unintentionally indicate a preference that could lead to
> > serious problems.
> >
> > In any case, people who feel the current system is fine and don't want to
> > pursue alternatives can affirmatively choose that we keep things as they
> > are.
> >
> > kyle
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes cast,
> > so
> > > >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of this
> > > than
> > > >> have voted, yet.
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
> > > >
> > > > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community -- will
> > > get enough input to make a sound decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:
> > >
> > >   1. Do nothing
> > >   2. Incorporate
> > >   3. Partner with fiscal agent
> > >
> > > There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote
> > could
> > > be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for doing
> > > nothing. 8-D  —Earache
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Jonathan Rochkind]

That is a terrible idea, why would you do that? How do you know how many
people are "in the community"? How do you know how many of them are still
in the community, pay any attention to the listserv instead of just
filtering it to a folder and never reading it, aren't out sick, etc.

Jonathan

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:
>
> >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes cast, so
> >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of this
> than
> >> have voted, yet.
> >>
> >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
> >
> > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community -- will
> get enough input to make a sound decision.
>
>
> Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:
>
>   1. Do nothing
>   2. Incorporate
>   3. Partner with fiscal agent
>
> There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote could
> be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for doing
> nothing. 8-D  —Earache
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Jason Bengtson]

I apologize if this is a dumb question, or something I've just missed or
forgotten, but is there a minimum percentage vote tally required to certify
a result?

Best regards,

*Jason Bengtson*


*http://www.jasonbengtson.com/ *

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kyle Banerjee 
wrote:

> I would be leery of interpreting abstention in that way. Similar logic has
> been employed in some states to prevent referendums involving tax increases
> to be passed.
>
> My sense is that the low vote total reflects that people understand this is
> a serious issue requiring an informed decision. Those who don't have the
> time or background to fully digest what each option means might well hang
> back rather than unintentionally indicate a preference that could lead to
> serious problems.
>
> In any case, people who feel the current system is fine and don't want to
> pursue alternatives can affirmatively choose that we keep things as they
> are.
>
> kyle
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan 
> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:
> >
> > >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes cast,
> so
> > >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of this
> > than
> > >> have voted, yet.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
> > >
> > > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community -- will
> > get enough input to make a sound decision.
> >
> >
> > Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:
> >
> >   1. Do nothing
> >   2. Incorporate
> >   3. Partner with fiscal agent
> >
> > There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote
> could
> > be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for doing
> > nothing. 8-D  —Earache
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Kyle Banerjee]

I would be leery of interpreting abstention in that way. Similar logic has
been employed in some states to prevent referendums involving tax increases
to be passed.

My sense is that the low vote total reflects that people understand this is
a serious issue requiring an informed decision. Those who don't have the
time or background to fully digest what each option means might well hang
back rather than unintentionally indicate a preference that could lead to
serious problems.

In any case, people who feel the current system is fine and don't want to
pursue alternatives can affirmatively choose that we keep things as they
are.

kyle



On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:
>
> >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes cast, so
> >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of this
> than
> >> have voted, yet.
> >>
> >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
> >
> > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community -- will
> get enough input to make a sound decision.
>
>
> Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:
>
>   1. Do nothing
>   2. Incorporate
>   3. Partner with fiscal agent
>
> There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote could
> be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for doing
> nothing. 8-D  —Earache
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea]

[Eric Lease Morgan]

On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:

>> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 votes cast, so
>> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome of this than
>> have voted, yet.
>> 
>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K5MWGNC
> 
> Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community -- will get 
> enough input to make a sound decision.


Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the vote:

  1. Do nothing
  2. Incorporate
  3. Partner with fiscal agent

There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each non-vote could be 
counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track for doing nothing. 
8-D  —Earache