[CODE4LIB] Italian lectures on semantic web and Linked Data

2014-05-06 Thread Stefano Bargioni
Koha Gruppo Italiano is pleased to announce that you can follow the conference 
Italian lectures on semantic web and Linked Data: practical examples for 
libraries via a streaming on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN9gEM0RmqE
starting from May 7th, 2014 9:00 AM (CET). Mostly in Italian.
The full program is available at
www.pusc.it/sites/default/files/bib/7maggio2014.pdf
You are warmly welcome to participate.
Stefano

PS : apologies for cross posting.


Re: [CODE4LIB] Italian lectures on semantic web and Linked Data

2014-05-06 Thread Karen Coyle
Thanks, Stefano. The time zone difference makes this pretty much 
impossible for some of us. Will the talks be recorded for later viewing?


kc

On 5/6/14, 2:09 AM, Stefano Bargioni wrote:

Koha Gruppo Italiano is pleased to announce that you can follow the conference 
Italian lectures on semantic web and Linked Data: practical examples for 
libraries via a streaming on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN9gEM0RmqE
starting from May 7th, 2014 9:00 AM (CET). Mostly in Italian.
The full program is available at
www.pusc.it/sites/default/files/bib/7maggio2014.pdf
You are warmly welcome to participate.
Stefano

PS : apologies for cross posting.


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[CODE4LIB] Job: Metadata Librarian II at Cadence Group

2014-05-06 Thread jobs
Metadata Librarian II
Cadence Group
Greenbelt, Maryland

Cadence Group seeks a self-motivated, detail-oriented, and innovative
individual for a full-time Metadata Librarian position. The successful
candidate will have experience creating and maintaining metadata, a solid
knowledge of established and emerging metadata standards, strong technical
aptitude, and the ability to work collaboratively and independently in a team-
oriented environment.

  
The Metadata Librarian is responsible for collecting, preserving, and
presenting digital information in all formats, applying indexing and metadata,
and maintaining the Library's bibliographic and archival databases. This
includes metadata application, authority control, quality control, and other
duties associated with the creation and maintenance of item- and collection-
level data for a variety of print and digital materials.

  
As a member of the Electronic Library Systems Team, the Metadata Librarian
reports to the Team Lead and works independently as well as with teammates,
library colleagues, patrons, and community partners to develop and provide
access to information and materials that support the scientific and
engineering research needs of the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center.

  
  
Job responsibilities:

  
• Employs emerging metadata schemas to make library resources available to our
patrons.

• Designs and maintains repository collections using the Fedora Commons
architecture.

• Adds digital images, video, multimedia and other formats to the intuitional
repository using XML metadata.

• Assures the quality of cataloging and metadata records in the ILS and
Institutional Repository.

• Performs original and copy cataloging for a wide range of formats, including
serials, non-print materials, and e-resources, using traditional cataloging
principles and practices to input records into OCLC and the local ILS,
SirsiDynix Unicorn.

• Stays abreast of new developments relevant to metadata, cataloging, and
digitization.

• Serves as a resource person concerning metadata, database maintenance,
record loading, workflow issues, cataloging, and
classification.

• Maintains statistics and produces monthly reports.

  
  
Qualifications:

  
• Master's degree in library/information science, archives administration, or
other relevant field from an accredited program.

• Demonstrated knowledge of file formats, media migration, metadata, database
management, and digitization techniques.

• Knowledge of and recent experience with established and emerging national
and international standards relating to metadata and classification.

• Experience with one or more metadata schemas (Dublin Core, MODS, METS, EAD)
or tools (XML, XSLT, XQuery, RDF, OAI/PMH, etc.).

• Experience with a repository system such as Fedora Commons and an XML editor
such as Oxygen desirable.

• Knowledge of electronic and traditional cataloging standards (AACR2R, LC
classification, LCSH, MARC formats) and familiarity with emerging standards
(FRBR and RDA).

• Knowledge of Drupal or similar content management systems desirable.

• Experience cataloging book and non-book formats in an automated environment
using OCLC and an ILS, such as SirsiDynix Unicorn.

• Effective oral, written, and interpersonal communication skills.

• Demonstrated analytical and problem-solving skills.

• Demonstrated ability to work independently as well as collaboratively with
diverse constituencies.

  
Cadence Group is an Equal Opportunity Employer,
Minority/Female/Disabled/Veteran

  
  
  




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Re: [CODE4LIB] Any good introduction to SPARQL workshops out there?

2014-05-06 Thread Hutt, Arwen
Thanks Drew!
I have to admit I haven't had much time to sort through resources yet but am 
definitely adding these to the list.
Arwen

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Gordon
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:05 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Any good introduction to SPARQL workshops out there?

Not sure if you're still looking for info, but I found these slides (below) the 
other day trying to get a better grasp of the basics:

Lots of slides here, but I found the slow building step-by-step a good jump 
start: https://www.cambridgesemantics.com/semantic-university/sparql-by-example

Also the answer here for generally exploring a graph: 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2930246/exploratory-sparql-queries

Hope it helps.
drew

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Hutt, 
Arwen
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 11:39 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Any good introduction to SPARQL workshops out there?

Thanks to both Owen and Deb!
These are some great resources I'm going to explore them more.  I really 
appreciate the help!
Arwen

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Debra 
Shapiro
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:33 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Any good introduction to SPARQL workshops out there?

I organized a SPARQL webinar that LITA put on in February. The instructor was 
Bob DuCharme, who also wrote an O'Reilly book - 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/752976161

You may be able to view it at the link below; I expect DuCharme would be 
willing to contract with UCSD to tailor something for you -
 
HTH,
deb

 Thank you for participating in today's LITA webinar SKOS, SPARQL, and 
 vocabulary management part three of a three part series of webinars on 
 Linked Data. 
 
 You may access the recording of today's session here: 
 http://ala.adobeconnect.com/p1n8obr32vd/
 
On May 1, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Hutt, Arwen ah...@ucsd.edu wrote:

 We're interested in an introduction to SPARQL workshop for a smallish group 
 of staff.  Specifically an introduction for fairly tech comfortable 
 non-programmers (in our case metadata librarians), as well as a refresher for 
 programmers who aren't using it regularly.
 
 Ideally (depending on cost) we'd like to bring the workshop to our staff, 
 since it'll allow more people to attend, but any recommendations for good 
 introductory workshops or tutorials would be welcome!
 
 Thanks!
 Arwen
 
 
 Arwen Hutt
 Head, Digital Object Metadata Management Unit Metadata Services, 
 Geisel Library University of California, San Diego
 

dsshap...@wisc.edu
Debra Shapiro
UW-Madison SLIS
Helen C. White Hall, Rm. 4282
600 N. Park St.
Madison WI 53706
608 262 9195
mobile 608 712 6368
FAX 608 263 4849


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Devon
No.


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Dan Chudnov daniel.chud...@gmail.comwrote:

 Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job:
 postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

   -Dan




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Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Edward M. Corrado
No

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote:
 No.


 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Dan Chudnov daniel.chud...@gmail.comwrote:

 Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job:
 postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

   -Dan




 --
 Sent from my GMail account.


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Wilhelmina Randtke
This comes up all the time, and always it's no.  For anyone who
doesn't like the job postings, use email filters.


-Wilhelmina

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Dan Chudnov daniel.chud...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job: 
 postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

   -Dan


[CODE4LIB] Job: Associate Consultant, bepress Consulting Services at bepress

2014-05-06 Thread jobs
Associate Consultant, bepress Consulting Services
bepress
Berkeley

We are looking for an associate consultant to support the students, faculty
and scholars who we serve with our online solutions.

  
_Responsibilities_

  * Collaborating with university faculty and librarians to launch new projects 
in their repositories, guide them in best practices, and troubleshoot unusual 
problems
  * Training clients over phone and email to help them use and customize our 
templated systems
  * Liaising with all teams at bepress to provide your clients with 
comprehensive, well-informed support for all their repository needs
  * Providing general assistance to the bepress team as needed. This may 
include, but is not limited to, filing feature requests, product testing, HTML 
editing, and providing feedback to help streamline or expand our services as 
our growing business requires.
  
_Required qualities and capabilities_

  * Bachelor's degree
  * High attention to detail
  * Basic HTML
  * Excellent communication and presentation skills--primarily for phone and 
email interactions/trainings
  * Ability to pick up new technologies quickly and independently
  * Deep familiarity with MSOffice programs (e.g., MS Word, Excel) and the 
Internet
  * Enthusiasm and a willingness to contribute beyond a narrow job description
  * Humor and patience
  
_Preferred qualities and capabilities_

  * 1-3 years' experience with similar responsibilities
  * Basic CSS and XML
  * Familiarity with converting MS Word documents to PDFs
  * Familiarity with academic publishing, library sciences, and university 
culture are big pluses
  * Start date ASAP
  
**To apply**  
  
This is a full-time position with great benefits and a busy but casual
atmosphere. If you have the above, we want to meet you right away. Salary
commensurate with experience.

  
Please send your cover letter and resume to jca...@bepress.com, c/o Jonathan
Cadle.



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Re: [CODE4LIB] barriers to open metadata?

2014-05-06 Thread Laura Krier
Thanks to everyone for the conversation re: barriers to open metadata. Your
feedback is really helpful!

Laura


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:

 On 4/30/14, 9:19 PM, Chad Nelson wrote:

 If libraries aren't willing to put in the the effort to make their own
 data
 more useful and connected, then I don't think they are going do much of
 anything useful very with linked data cake served on a silver platter.

 Are you really suggesting that we cede linked data creation, management
 and
 curation to vendors.

 Gee, that's pretty sarcastic. No, I am suggesting that there is a needed
 service to help folks with textual data take that first step: adding the
 identifiers for those strings, like adding $0 fields to their MARC records.
 Perhaps you weren't around for the previous transitions, but such services
 jump-started both the conversion of cards to MARC and AACR to AACR2. You
 may not be aware but OCLC and other vendors provide conversion services of
 this nature on a continuing basis. It's much more efficient than having
 every library do the same coding for themselves. Oh, and remember that we
 share cataloging through copy cataloging services. There are lots of things
 that it just doesn't make sense to do it yourself.

 kc




 Chad

 On Apr 30, 2014 10:28 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:

 On 4/30/14, 6:37 PM, Roy Tennant wrote:

 In the end there may need to be reconciliation services just like we had
 similar services in the card-catalog-to-digital years.
 Roy

 Roy, yes, that's what I'm assuming. I think we are indeed in the same

 leaky boat we were in in the 1970's when all of a sudden we realized that
 in the future we wanted our data to be digital but most of what we had
 was definitely analog. In the early days, we thought it was an impossible
 task to convert our cards to MARC, but it turned out to be possible.

 I believe that linking our heading strings (the ones that hopefully

 resemble the prefLabel on someone's authority file) to identifiers is
 not
 as hard as people assume, especially if we have systems that can learn --
 that is, that can build up cases of synonyms (e.g. Smith, John with
 title
 Here's my book == Smith, John J. with title Here's my book). This is
 what the AACR-AACR2 services did. OCLC surely does a lot of this when
 merging manifestations, and undoubtedly did so when determining what are
 works, and when bringing authority entries together for VIAF. No, you
 don't
 get 100% perfection, but we don't get that now with any of our services.

 And for all of those who keep suggesting Open Refine -- it's like you

 walk into bakery to buy a cake and they hand you flour, eggs, milk and
 show
 you where the oven is. Yes, it can be done. But you want the cake -- if
 you
 could do and wanted to *make* a cake you wouldn't be in the bakery, you'd
 be home in your kitchen. So in case it isn't clear, I'm talking cake, not
 cake making. How are we going to provide cake to the library and archives
 masses? And, if you are feeling entrepreneurial, wouldn't this be a good
 time to open a bakery?

 kc



  On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:

  Roy, the question that I have is, as I say below, about DISCOVERABILITY

 of

 URIs, not intellectual property issues. It's great that there are lots

 of

 URIs for useful things out in the world, but they don't jump into your

 data

 store on their own through some kind of magic. To me, the big problem

 today

 is that of populating legacy data with useful identifiers. I know that

 some

 folks have worked at making connections between subject headings in

 their

 catalog and the URIs available through id.loc.gov - and as I recall, it
 turns out to be fairly frustrating. It seems to be that the solution to
 this is that providers of URIs and users of URIs have to both make an
 effort to meet half-way, or at a mutally convenient location. It simply

 is

 not enough to say: Hey, look! I've got all of these URIs. Good luck!

 So

 let's talk about how we make that connection.

 kc

 On 4/30/14, 1:17 PM, Roy Tennant wrote:

  Also, this:

 OCLC identifiers, and Linked Data URIs, are always in the public

 domain.

 Independent of the data and/or information content (which may be

 subject

 to
 individual licensing terms open or otherwise) that they identify, or

 link

 to, OCLC identifiers (e.g. OCLC Numbers, VIAF IDs, or WorldCat Work

 URIs)

 can be treated as if they are in the public domain and can be included

 in

 any data exposure mechanism or activity as public domain data.

 http://www.oclc.org/developer/develop/linked-data.en.html

 Roy


 On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Richard Wallis 
 richard.wal...@dataliberate.com wrote:

To unpack the several questions lurking in Karen’s question.

 As to being able to use the WorldCat Works data/identifiers there is

 no

 difference between a or b - it is ODC-BY licensed data.

 Getting a Work URI may be 

Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Richard Sarvas
Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There seem to 
be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are relating to 
code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was originally created? 
If so, I'll stop now. 

Then again, perhaps as a group we are just not posting enough code related 
topics to drown out the occasional job posting.


Rick


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Wilhelmina Randtke
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:39 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

This comes up all the time, and always it's no.  For anyone who doesn't like 
the job postings, use email filters.


-Wilhelmina

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Dan Chudnov daniel.chud...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job: 
 postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

   -Dan


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Kyle Banerjee
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Richard Sarvas richard.sar...@lib.uconn.edu
 wrote:

 Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There seem
 to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are
 relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was
 originally created? If so, I'll stop now.


Fragmentation dilutes the community and creates an unnecessary barrier by
requiring people to know one more thing. Email filters take no time at all
to set up so anyone who considers them noise doesn't need to be exposed to
them.

kyle


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Junior Tidal
No. 

Junior Tidal
Assistant Professor
Web Services and Multimedia Librarian
New York City College of Technology, CUNY 
300 Jay Street, Rm A434
Brooklyn, NY 11201
718.260.5481
 
http://library.citytech.cuny.edu


 Dan Chudnov daniel.chud...@gmail.com 5/6/2014 12:34 PM 
Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job: postings? 
 code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

  -Dan


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Forrest, Stuart
No

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward 
M. Corrado
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:38 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

No

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote:
 No.


 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Dan Chudnov daniel.chud...@gmail.comwrote:

 Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job:
 postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

   -Dan




 --
 Sent from my GMail account.


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Jacobs, Jane W
I also vote NO.  I want so see first hand what the marketable skills are 
that I should be acquiring.  I can always delete the ones that are way above my 
head, but at least I've some idea what terms to look up!
JJ

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan 
Chudnov
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:35 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job: postings? 
 code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

  -Dan


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Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Sharp, Chris
No.

The sender is j...@code4lib.org, so that makes email filters super easy ;-).

- Original Message -
 From: Dan Chudnov daniel.chud...@gmail.com
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 12:34:31 PM
 Subject: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
 
 Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job:
 postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?
 
   -Dan
 

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Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Kate Kosturski
I agree as well - I've always been taught to always keep your eye on the
job market, even if you are gainfully and happily employed.  You also never
know when a friend or colleague may be a good fit for a job you see on C4L.


So, I enjoy the job posts and if you don't want to read them, the
suggestion of email filters, or even simple deletion, may work for you.

Best,

Kate


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Jacobs, Jane W 
jane.w.jac...@queenslibrary.org wrote:

 I also vote NO.  I want so see first hand what the marketable skills
 are that I should be acquiring.  I can always delete the ones that are way
 above my head, but at least I've some idea what terms to look up!
 JJ

 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Dan Chudnov
 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:35 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

 Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job:
 postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

   -Dan


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Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Steve Meyer
There is another benefit in addition to, skills should I cultivate. There
is a follow-the-money factor. Declaring I'm for Linked Data is one thing.
Putting Linked Data in a job title is something far more significant.

Since code4lib is not always boast4lib-ish, it would be too great a loss to
not see the evidence of financial investment by institutions for things
like the Hydra stack (Solr, Fedora, Blacklight...) over the last few years.
When your HR department says you are building an RDF-based triple store, I
am pretty certain you will be doing it.


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Richard Sarvas 
 richard.sar...@lib.uconn.edu
  wrote:

  Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There
 seem
  to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are
  relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was
  originally created? If so, I'll stop now.
 

 Fragmentation dilutes the community and creates an unnecessary barrier by
 requiring people to know one more thing. Email filters take no time at all
 to set up so anyone who considers them noise doesn't need to be exposed to
 them.

 kyle



Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Cynthia Ng
what jobs emails? I haven't seen one of those since I started on this list
=P

I agree that a simple filter works perfectly well, and the lower number of
mailing list people have to subscribe to, the better


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Kate Kosturski librariankate7...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree as well - I've always been taught to always keep your eye on the
 job market, even if you are gainfully and happily employed.  You also never
 know when a friend or colleague may be a good fit for a job you see on C4L.


 So, I enjoy the job posts and if you don't want to read them, the
 suggestion of email filters, or even simple deletion, may work for you.

 Best,

 Kate


 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Jacobs, Jane W 
 jane.w.jac...@queenslibrary.org wrote:

  I also vote NO.  I want so see first hand what the marketable skills
  are that I should be acquiring.  I can always delete the ones that are
 way
  above my head, but at least I've some idea what terms to look up!
  JJ
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
  Dan Chudnov
  Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:35 PM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  Subject: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
 
  Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job:
  postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?
 
-Dan
 
 
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[CODE4LIB] Job: Lead System Administrator at ProQuest

2014-05-06 Thread jobs
Lead System Administrator
ProQuest
Seattle, Wa

As a **Principal System Administrator** at ProQuest, you will be an integral
part of a highly focused team responsible for maintaining and supporting
multi-tiered applications that enable librarians, academic researchers, and
vendors to efficiently manage, provide, and use their e-resources.

  
Based in our Fremont office, the Principal System Administrator will apply
strong IT and Technology skills to troubleshoot and address issues across a
variety of mission critical internal and customer facing systems.
Additionally, The Principal System Administrator will manage, mentor, and/or
supervise a small team of other IT/Operations professionals as necessary.

  
We are seeking a proactive, efficient professional and leader who naturally
demonstrates and embodies our core values of collaboration, empowerment,
accountability, customer focus, passion, and learning.

  
**Some of what you'll be doing:**  

  *  Work with product, development, and infrastructure teams to architect, 
build and maintain systems for new applications
  *  Work with development and infrastructure teams to enhance high 
availability of existing applications.
  *  Administer and troubleshoot complex Linux and Windows environments.
  *  Troubleshoot complex system applications - both internal and external 
issues at a high level of proficiency and independence
  *  Manage high availability systems in an Application Service Provider 
environment where downtime is not an option.
  *  Proactively monitors and looks for problem areas in our applications and 
suggests and drives resolution of them.
  *  Manage, supervise and mentor direct and indirect reports
  *  Help IT/Ops manager proactively identify and remove roadblocks both 
technical and administrative
  *  Support budgetary evaluation, help price and identify system and 
environmental components, and assist with administrative ordering functions
  
**What you'll have experience doing:**  

  *  Over 5 years of experience in a similar role and B.S or M.S. degree in 
Engineering/Computer Science or equivalent work experience in technical field.
  *  Expert ability to troubleshoot complex network and application issues 
spanning across applications, operating systems, networking and storage
  *  Strong fundamental understanding of networking and storage
  *  Must be security minded, with an excellent understanding of network/host 
security fundamentals
  *  Expert level experience administering Linux environments
  *  Expert level experience with configuration management frameworks and 
solutions (Puppet, Chef, CFEngine)
  *  Expert level Experience with Java application servers (Tomcat, JBoss, 
etc.) and JVM monitoring and tuning.
  *  Strong Experience with system, network and application monitoring 
frameworks and solutions (Nagios, OpsView, Splunk)
  *  Strong Experience with Cloud providers (AWS)
  *  Experience with Search applications (SOLR)
  *  Ability to work non-standard hours on occasion
  
**Bonus Points!**  

  *  Experience working with Windows IIS
  *  Experience working with Microsoft SQL Server
  *  Experience working with continuous integration and build systems, 
automated deployments.
  *  Experience working with geographically dispersed teams and data centers
  *  Experience managing, supervising, and/or mentoring teams of 1-8 people
  
  
  
**Here's what you want to know about the Seattle office**  
_Fantastic people:_ Where smart is the norm and unique is
welcome

_Fun location:_ Coffee houses, restaurants and right across
the street from Fremont's best pub

_Great benefits:_ Plus some unique stuff like monthly
transportation subsidy, on-site events, flexible scheduling and wellness
programs

_Awesome office environment_: Nice office, jeans are the
norm and (well behaved) Fido is welcome

_Amazing company:_ Annual compensation reviews, generous
bonuses, and active Green Team and good morale

  
  
  
 About ProQuest

  
_ProQuest _connects people with vetted, reliable information. We provide
seamless access to and navigation of more than 125 billion digital pages of
the world's scholarship, delivering it to the desktop and into the workflow of
serious researchers in multiple fields, from arts, literature, and social
science to general reference, business, science, technology, and medicine. The
company is currently rolling out the all-new ProQuest® platform, which moves
beyond navigation to empower researchers to use, create, and share content--
accelerating research productivity.

  
If this position isn't quite your fit, check out our other positions posted on
our Career page under About Us. ProQuest's corporate
office is located in Ann Arbor, MI. www.Proquest.com



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[CODE4LIB] Job: Sr. Program Manager - Operations at ProQuest

2014-05-06 Thread jobs
Sr. Program Manager - Operations
ProQuest
Seattle, Wa

Are you passionate about technology?

Can you juggle multiple projects while herding cats?

Does working with multiple teams to resolve issues in an agile work
environment excite you?

  
Then we're interest in talking to you!

  
We're looking for a driven **Sr. Program Manager** to partner with our
Operations team on large initiatives including, cloud migration and major
hardware and software upgrades. Additionally, defining
product requirements and lead cross-functional software development teams from
design through delivery.

  
**Some of what you'll be doing:**  
  

  *  Builder - Build strong partnerships across multiple teams to align 
resources
  *  Supreme scheduler - Create and manage project schedules to drive to 
measurable milestones, mitigate risks and communicate needs across internal 
teams
  *  Leader's leader - Provide matrixed team leadership and be a driving force 
in cross-functional process improvement
  *  Perfect partner - Work with Product Managers to define product 
requirements, identify risks and drive product improvements
  *  Cheerleader - Communicate regularly with client support and customer 
implementation teams on specific product implementation or feature issues
  *  Supreme sleuth - Capture functional requirements and author associated 
documents; including software specifications, use cases, business requirements 
and related artifacts
  
**What you'll have experience doing:**  
  

  *  Working knowledge of IT Operations, including hardware, networking and 
Cloud environments, as well as build/deploy and monitoring tools
  *  5+ years of professional experience in software functional analysis, QA, 
product support, development, project or program management with at least 3 
years in demonstrated success as Program Manager and BA/BS required, CS 
preferred
  *  Experience capturing functional requirements and authoring associated 
documents; including software specifications, use cases, business requirements, 
project schedules and related artifacts
  *  Understands and assesses critical paths and dependencies for delivering 
and shipping products and facilitates discussions between project teams, 
product management and engineering
  *  Driving a SCRUM team through the Agile process
  *  Experience with HTML, XML, APIs and understanding of relational databases 
required
  
**Bonus Points!**  
  

  *  Experience in a Systems Administrator role
  *  Experience in Web-based applications which serve an international audience
  *  Professional experience coordinating different types of software life 
cycle methodologies
  *  Knowledge of the library industry preferred, particularly electronic 
resources and knowledge base databases
  
  
  
**Here's what you want to know about the Seattle office**  
_Fantastic people:_ Where smart is the norm and unique is
welcome

_Fun location:_ Coffee houses, restaurants and right across
the street from Fremont's best pub

_Great benefits:_ Plus some unique stuff like monthly
transportation subsidy, on-site events, flexible scheduling and wellness
programs

_Awesome office environment:_ Nice office, jeans are the
norm and (well behaved) Fido is welcome

_Amazing company:_ Annual compensation reviews, generous
bonuses, and active Green Team and good morale

  
  
  
 About ProQuest

  
  
  
_ProQuest_ connects people with vetted, reliable information. We provide
seamless access to and navigation of more than 125 billion digital pages of
the world's scholarship, delivering it to the desktop and into the workflow of
serious researchers in multiple fields, from arts, literature, and social
science to general reference, business, science, technology, and medicine. The
company is currently rolling out the all-new ProQuest® platform, which moves
beyond navigation to empower researchers to use, create, and share content--
accelerating research productivity.

  
If this position isn't quite your fit, check out our other positions posted on
our Career page under About Us. ProQuest's corporate
office is located in Ann Arbor, MI. www.Proquest.com



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[CODE4LIB] Job: DevOps Engineer at ProQuest

2014-05-06 Thread jobs
DevOps Engineer 
ProQuest
Mountain View, CA

We're looking for a **DevOps Enginee**r who will be focusing on Linux and IP
networking. You'll be working with a great team supporting
an enterprise SaaS environment. You'll have the ability to
work on projects that include supporting greenfield projects, data center
build outs, scaling of current products and more. This is a
great opportunity to work directly with network topology and application
stack. The team is working together to stretch and build
their skills.

  
**Some of what you'll be doing:**  
  

  *  Administer and troubleshoot Linux environments
  *  Manage high availability systems in a SaaS environment where downtime is 
not an option
  *  Proactively monitor and look for problem areas in our product suite and 
suggest and drive resolution to them
  *  An expert in an area of our product systems, application stacks, network 
infrastructure, database architecture and system administration
  *  Be a member of the 24x7 on call rotation team
  
**What you'll have experience doing:**  
  

  *  Strong fundamental understanding of IP networking and various internet 
service protocols (SMTP, DNS, HTTP, etc…)
  *  Ability to troubleshoot complex network application issues
  *  Ability to perform analysis of packet traces and log files
  *  Fluency in at least one scripting or programming language (Python, Perl, 
ruby, etc…)
  *  Experience in configuration management frameworks and solutions
  *  Experience in system, network and application monitoring frameworks and 
solutions
  *  Experience with log analysis software
  *  Experience working with geographically dispersed team and data centers
**Bonus Points!**  
  

  *  Solid background with VMware vSphere (4.x and later) infrastructures
  *  Experience with HA Proxy, Jetty,
  *  Experience with MySQL, Oracle or SQL Server
  *  Experience Administering Windows environments
  
  
  
 About ProQuest

  
_ProQuest _connects people with vetted, reliable information. We provide
seamless access to and navigation of more than 125 billion digital pages of
the world's scholarship, delivering it to the desktop and into the workflow of
serious researchers in multiple fields, from arts, literature, and social
science to general reference, business, science, technology, and medicine. The
company is currently rolling out the all-new ProQuest® platform, which moves
beyond navigation to empower researchers to use, create, and share content--
accelerating research productivity.

  
If this position isn't quite your fit, check out our other positions posted on
our Career page under About Us. ProQuest's corporate
office is located in Ann Arbor, MI. www.Proquest.com



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[CODE4LIB] Job: Associate Head, Academic Technology at North Carolina State University

2014-05-06 Thread jobs
Associate Head, Academic Technology 
North Carolina State University
Raleigh

**NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES**  
VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT

  
Associate Head, Academic Technology (New Position)

  
The NCSU Libraries has a well-earned reputation for creating adventurous
library spaces and innovative services that delight today's students and
researchers. The new James B. Hunt Jr. Library, located on NC State's
Centennial Campus, is an iconic building, a place where people gather to
explore new ways to research, learn, experiment, and collaborate. The Hunt
Library provides a platform to support research, teaching, and learning, and
offers faculty and students access to advanced technologies, such as large-
scale display, ultra-HD imagery, and multi-touch computing. The D. H. Hill
Library combines the best of tradition and innovation, housing special
collections and a beautiful gallery alongside vibrant, experiential spaces
such as the Learning Commons, Technology Sandbox, and Visualization Studio.
Plans for the future include continued development of technology-rich spaces
to bring advanced capabilities to users of the Hill Library. If you are a
person who would like to provide a new generation of library users with
everything they can imagine and more, consider applying for this position.

  
The NCSU Libraries invites applications and nominations for the position of
Associate Head of IT, Academic Technology. In the year since the Hunt Library
opened, it has garnered numerous awards and international interest,
particularly for its far-reaching vision to chart a new path for research
libraries in support of research and learning. Hunt has already had a dramatic
impact at NC State as well, through the diverse uses of its spaces, including
the Teaching and Visualization Lab, Creativity Studio, Immersion Theater, and
Media Production Studios, and development of new research tied to the
building's capabilities. The Information Technology Department includes 22
staff across four units: Academic Technology; Enterprise Operations; Discovery
Systems and Applications; and Technology Services. As one of two Associate
Heads in the department, this position manages Academic Technology (3 FTE
dedicated to the software systems, automation, and design that support the
Libraries' advanced technology spaces) and Enterprise Services (3 FTE
dedicated to the library's compute and storage infrastructure). The Associate
Head, Academic Technology is actively committed to guiding the NCSU Libraries'
program of advanced technology spaces, visualization infrastructure, and
enterprise services to support research, teaching, and learning at the
university

  
**Responsibilities**  
  
● Leads the Academic Technology and Enterprise Services
units; supervises assigned staff members

  
● Consults with faculty on matching the library's research
infrastructure to their research needs. Facilitates library collaboration in
the development of research projects that make use of the library's high-tech
spaces

  
● Acts as technical liaison to public services teams and
subject specialists within the library on outreach, programmatic activities,
and support. Provides technology workshops and training for faculty and
researchers, and works with public services staff to design peer-to-peer
student workshops and training programs

  
● Works with Hunt Library Powered By technology partners to
integrate emerging technologies into the Libraries

  
● Provides leadership for the department in the absence of
the Head

  
● Serves on library-wide committees, task forces, and teams.

  
● Represents the library in the university IT and academic
technologies communities

  
The Associate Head, Academic Technology reports to the Head, Information
Technology.

  
NCSU librarians are expected to be active professionally and to contribute to
developments in the field.

  
**Required qualifications:**  
  
ALA-accredited MLS, or equivalent advanced degree. Significant and relevant
professional experience. Supervisory experience. Experience with library
technologies; demonstrated knowledge of current technology trends.
Demonstrated project management experience. Excellent interpersonal skills;
ability to communicate clearly, knowledgeably, and personably, orally and in
writing. Ability to work independently and in a team environment. Ability to
set priorities effectively and resolve competing demands in an atmosphere of
fast-paced change. Evidence of leadership and management potential.
Demonstrated record of ongoing professional development.

  
**Preferred qualifications:**  
  
Relevant experience in an academic research library.

  
**The Libraries, the University, and the Area**  
  
The NCSU Libraries and its staff have won numerous awards, including the first
Association of College and Research Libraries' Excellence in Academic
Libraries Award, Library Journal's Librarian of the Year, Paraprofessional of
the Year, and six Movers and Shakers 

Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Richard Sarvas
Very well then, carry on with the job postings.


Rick


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve 
Meyer
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 1:34 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

There is another benefit in addition to, skills should I cultivate. There is 
a follow-the-money factor. Declaring I'm for Linked Data is one thing.
Putting Linked Data in a job title is something far more significant.

Since code4lib is not always boast4lib-ish, it would be too great a loss to not 
see the evidence of financial investment by institutions for things like the 
Hydra stack (Solr, Fedora, Blacklight...) over the last few years.
When your HR department says you are building an RDF-based triple store, I am 
pretty certain you will be doing it.


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Richard Sarvas  
 richard.sar...@lib.uconn.edu
  wrote:

  Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? 
  There
 seem
  to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there 
  are relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this 
  list was originally created? If so, I'll stop now.
 

 Fragmentation dilutes the community and creates an unnecessary barrier 
 by requiring people to know one more thing. Email filters take no time 
 at all to set up so anyone who considers them noise doesn't need to be 
 exposed to them.

 kyle



Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Carrick Rogers
How do you manage to filter out those who feel their job is worthy of cross 
posting without using jobs@code4lib  I've yet to get around to making a smarter 
filter to deal with those.



Carrick Rogers
Revs Infrastructure Developer
210 Meyer Library, Stanford, CA
carri...@stanford.edu

- Original Message -
From: Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 10:33:09 AM
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

what jobs emails? I haven't seen one of those since I started on this list
=P

I agree that a simple filter works perfectly well, and the lower number of
mailing list people have to subscribe to, the better


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Kate Kosturski librariankate7...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree as well - I've always been taught to always keep your eye on the
 job market, even if you are gainfully and happily employed.  You also never
 know when a friend or colleague may be a good fit for a job you see on C4L.


 So, I enjoy the job posts and if you don't want to read them, the
 suggestion of email filters, or even simple deletion, may work for you.

 Best,

 Kate


 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Jacobs, Jane W 
 jane.w.jac...@queenslibrary.org wrote:

  I also vote NO.  I want so see first hand what the marketable skills
  are that I should be acquiring.  I can always delete the ones that are
 way
  above my head, but at least I've some idea what terms to look up!
  JJ
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
  Dan Chudnov
  Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:35 PM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  Subject: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
 
  Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job:
  postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?
 
-Dan
 
 
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Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Ben Stewart


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[CODE4LIB] Job: Sr. Architect DevOps at ProQuest

2014-05-06 Thread jobs
 Sr. Architect DevOps 
ProQuest
Ann Arbor, MI

 ProQuest is seeking a** Senior Architect - DevOps**

  
This person is responsible for software/platform infrastructure and
deployment. At ProQuest we need to create a strong DevOps
team to lead our configuration management and release platform. You will have
shared responsibility for deploying releases and will play a large role in
helping us make the transition to be a fully cloud-based platform. To succeed,
you should have experience with various version control systems (Perforce,
Subversion, Git, etc), build tools (Jenkins, Apache Ant, Apache Maven, etc)
and cloud automated deployment tools (Chef, Puppet). Your goal is to fully
automate the provisioning of servers, deployment of code and general
configuration management. You will be working closely with development, QA,
and product teams.

  
**Some of what you'll be doing:**  
  

  *  Interacts with the lead software development organization on a day-to-day 
basis by gathering and organizing build requirements, providing status, and 
ensuring that the stakeholders are informed and satisfied with the end product.
  *  Builds and maintains different software environments.
  *  Builds and maintains source control systems
  *  Deploys PQ products and maintains build infrastructure.
  *  Creates tools to support the development organization.
  *  Oversees tools that monitor/measure the results of software systems (e.g. 
Cacti, Gomez)
  *  Proposes, develops, reviews, and revises, new procedures as needed for the 
continuing development of high quality systems.
  *  Executes on multiple projects at one time, balancing numerous needs, yet 
still delivering on time.
  *  Oversees applications and systems of a complex nature.
  *  Provides training to other team members.
  *  Keeps informed of, proposes and evaluates new hardware / software for 
company use.
  *  Evangelizing DevOps practices and automation internally and externally
  *  Creation and editing of cookbooks for Chef
  *  Creation and editing of auto-scaling strategies
  *  Deep Knowledge of Continuous Integration and Continuous Deployment 
methodologies with Jenkins or similar
  *  Maintenance of automated tooling code in Ruby and/or Python at expert level
  *  Maintenance of Continuous Integration platform for our infrastructure code
  
**What you'll need to be successful:**  
  
  

  *  Bachelors' degree or higher in Computer Engineering or Computer Science or 
equivalent experience
  *  8+ years of software development experience
  *  Understanding and application of several programming/scripting languages
  *  Ability to work with software configuration management systems
  *  Level-appropriate experience with:
  *  Servers/computer hardware and software
  *  DNS, including diagnostics with Unix tools
  *  Very good understanding of networks and common protocols
  *  Linux, Unix, Windows
  *  Very knowledgeable in Chef, Puppet, Ansible, Saltstack
  *  Auto scaling knowledge
  *  Advanced knowledge in monitoring and performance statistical analysis
  *  Proficiency in development supporting tools such as various VCS (Git, SVN, 
etc.)
  *  Strong verbal and written communication skills
  *  Strong interpersonal skills, with ability to professionally interact with 
a diverse blend of personalities to reach resolution and maintain strong 
relationships
  *  Capable of working independently and as part of a team
  *  Excellent researching and problem solving skills
  *  Ability to work on multiple projects at the same time
  *  Effective execution working in a distributed team model, including 
successful consensus-building and managing complex interdependencies
  *  Ability to act as a mentor
  * Ability to support systems after hours or on weekends
  
  
  
**Here's what you want to know about ProQuest**  
_Fantastic people:_ Where smart is the norm and unique is
welcome

_Fun location:_ Restaurants all around, within walking distance to Briarwood
Mall, and approximately 3 miles from Downtown Ann Arbor.

_Great benefits:_ On-site events,
flexible scheduling and wellness programs, plus Bike to work benefits.

_Awesome office environment_: Nice office, jeans are the
norm and unlimited complimentary coffee and tea for the caffeine craved

_Amazing company:_ Annual compensation reviews, generous
bonuses, along with being voted as one of the Top Places to Work by Detroit
Free Press, three years in a row!

  
  
  
  About ProQuest

  
_ProQuest_ connects people with vetted, reliable information. We provide
seamless access to and navigation of more than 125 billion digital pages of
the world's scholarship, delivering it to the desktop and into the workflow of
serious researchers in multiple fields, from arts, literature, and social
science to general reference, business, science, technology, and medicine. The
company is currently rolling out the all-new ProQuest® platform, which moves
beyond navigation to empower researchers to use, create, and share 

Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Stuart Yeates

On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:

Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There seem to 
be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are relating to code 
discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was originally created? If so, I'll 
stop now.


The answer is always no because we are collectively using the the 
possession of an email client with filtering capability and the personal 
knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group membership. Those 
who find it easier to complain than write a filter mark themselves as 
members of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup.


cheers
stuart


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Wilhelmina Randtke
How do you manage to filter out those who feel their job is worthy of
cross posting without using jobs@code4lib ?

To me this is a strong argument for keeping the Code4Lib job posting
as-is.  For the postings that come through http://jobs.code4lib.org/ ,
people can filter with 100% accuracy.  If every listserv has an
organized and consistent way of marking up and sending job postings,
then filters would work on those other lists too.

-Wilhelmina Randtke

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Carrick Rogers carri...@stanford.edu wrote:
 How do you manage to filter out those who feel their job is worthy of cross 
 posting without using jobs@code4lib  I've yet to get around to making a 
 smarter filter to deal with those.


 
 Carrick Rogers
 Revs Infrastructure Developer
 210 Meyer Library, Stanford, CA
 carri...@stanford.edu

 - Original Message -
 From: Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 10:33:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

 what jobs emails? I haven't seen one of those since I started on this list
 =P

 I agree that a simple filter works perfectly well, and the lower number of
 mailing list people have to subscribe to, the better


 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Kate Kosturski librariankate7...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree as well - I've always been taught to always keep your eye on the
 job market, even if you are gainfully and happily employed.  You also never
 know when a friend or colleague may be a good fit for a job you see on C4L.


 So, I enjoy the job posts and if you don't want to read them, the
 suggestion of email filters, or even simple deletion, may work for you.

 Best,

 Kate


 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Jacobs, Jane W 
 jane.w.jac...@queenslibrary.org wrote:

  I also vote NO.  I want so see first hand what the marketable skills
  are that I should be acquiring.  I can always delete the ones that are
 way
  above my head, but at least I've some idea what terms to look up!
  JJ
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
  Dan Chudnov
  Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:35 PM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  Subject: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
 
  Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job:
  postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?
 
-Dan
 
 
  *Shop to Support Queens Library!  Buy books, e-books, videos,
  music, gifts at great prices. A portion of the proceeds benefit
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Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Richard Sarvas
Actually, I am not complaining. I am just wondering why I am receiving so may 
job postings on a list serve that I though was supposed to be relating to 
Code4Lib conferences and coding in library environments. Had the list been 
called Code4LibJobs I suspect I never would have asked the question in the 
first place. As that is not the title of this list I felt it was a reasonable 
question, mostly because every time this topic comes up people simply respond 
No without explaining why. When the topic was proposed by another member I 
took the time to seek clarification.

Still, thanks for taking the time to explain reason why so many job postings 
appear on this list. 


Rick


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Stuart 
Yeates
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:51 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:
 Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There seem to 
 be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are relating 
 to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was originally 
 created? If so, I'll stop now.

The answer is always no because we are collectively using the the possession 
of an email client with filtering capability and the personal knowledge of how 
to use it as a Shibboleth for group membership. Those who find it easier to 
complain than write a filter mark themselves as members of the outgroup 
intruding on the ingroup.

cheers
stuart


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Devon
 mostly because every time this topic comes up people simply respond No
without explaining why.

Since I was one of the first to respond with a bare no, let me explain
why.

Dan didn't seed the discussion in any way. He asked a yes or no question -
is it time to reconsider a jobs only list.  Without any apparent reason
WHY we should reconsider the topic, I felt the obvious answer was No. I
also, at the time, didn't feel the need to elaborate on my answer.

I honestly don't care if we keep the job postings on this list or create a
new list. I'm just not interested in the discussion. If Ed, or anyone else,
wants a new list, just do it and tell us about it. It really doesn't matter
either way.

/dev




On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Richard Sarvas richard.sar...@lib.uconn.edu
 wrote:

 Actually, I am not complaining. I am just wondering why I am receiving so
 may job postings on a list serve that I though was supposed to be relating
 to Code4Lib conferences and coding in library environments. Had the list
 been called Code4LibJobs I suspect I never would have asked the question
 in the first place. As that is not the title of this list I felt it was a
 reasonable question, mostly because every time this topic comes up people
 simply respond No without explaining why. When the topic was proposed by
 another member I took the time to seek clarification.

 Still, thanks for taking the time to explain reason why so many job
 postings appear on this list.


 Rick


 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Stuart Yeates
 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:51 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

 On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:
  Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There
 seem to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are
 relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was
 originally created? If so, I'll stop now.

 The answer is always no because we are collectively using the the
 possession of an email client with filtering capability and the personal
 knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group membership. Those who
 find it easier to complain than write a filter mark themselves as members
 of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup.

 cheers
 stuart




-- 
Sent from my GMail account.


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Ruth Frasur
I rarely post anything to this list because honestly I'm not qualified in
most cases.  For this, however, I'm qualified.  While I didn't see the
initial question, I've figured it through its replies.

Some of those responses have been pretty disheartening.  While most of what
goes through this list is more Code than Libraries, I'd just like to remind
people that at the heart of libraries is The Question.  We're not the
parents that say Because I said so or Because that's how it's always
been done.

So, thanks to those who responded to the question with grace and
information.  And thanks to people willing to ask questions knowing that
replies may demonstrate a misunderstanding or disregard for the original
question.



On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Richard Sarvas richard.sar...@lib.uconn.edu
 wrote:

 Actually, I am not complaining. I am just wondering why I am receiving so
 may job postings on a list serve that I though was supposed to be relating
 to Code4Lib conferences and coding in library environments. Had the list
 been called Code4LibJobs I suspect I never would have asked the question
 in the first place. As that is not the title of this list I felt it was a
 reasonable question, mostly because every time this topic comes up people
 simply respond No without explaining why. When the topic was proposed by
 another member I took the time to seek clarification.

 Still, thanks for taking the time to explain reason why so many job
 postings appear on this list.


 Rick


 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Stuart Yeates
 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:51 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

 On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:
  Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There
 seem to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are
 relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was
 originally created? If so, I'll stop now.

 The answer is always no because we are collectively using the the
 possession of an email client with filtering capability and the personal
 knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group membership. Those who
 find it easier to complain than write a filter mark themselves as members
 of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup.

 cheers
 stuart




-- 
Ruth Frasur
Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
Library
10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808

Our Kickin' Website http://hagerstownlibrary.org  Our Rockin' Facebook
Page http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary  and Stuff I'm
Readinghttp://pinterest.com/hjtplibrary/ruth-reads/


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Riley Childs
I vote no the separation, even though I am a high school student I still enjoy 
reading the postings and seeing what jobs are out there, people with solid jobs 
likely agree with me 100%, plus it lets me know what type of degree(s) I may 
need in this field!

Riley Childs
Junior
IT Admin
email: rchi...@cucawarriors.com
office: +1 (704) 537-0031 x101
cell: +1 (704) 497-2086

Please Think Before Hitting Reply All
I Do Web Design! RileyChilds.net/services

From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ruth Frasur 
[direc...@hagerstownlibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 4:53 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

I rarely post anything to this list because honestly I'm not qualified in
most cases.  For this, however, I'm qualified.  While I didn't see the
initial question, I've figured it through its replies.

Some of those responses have been pretty disheartening.  While most of what
goes through this list is more Code than Libraries, I'd just like to remind
people that at the heart of libraries is The Question.  We're not the
parents that say Because I said so or Because that's how it's always
been done.

So, thanks to those who responded to the question with grace and
information.  And thanks to people willing to ask questions knowing that
replies may demonstrate a misunderstanding or disregard for the original
question.



On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Richard Sarvas richard.sar...@lib.uconn.edu
 wrote:

 Actually, I am not complaining. I am just wondering why I am receiving so
 may job postings on a list serve that I though was supposed to be relating
 to Code4Lib conferences and coding in library environments. Had the list
 been called Code4LibJobs I suspect I never would have asked the question
 in the first place. As that is not the title of this list I felt it was a
 reasonable question, mostly because every time this topic comes up people
 simply respond No without explaining why. When the topic was proposed by
 another member I took the time to seek clarification.

 Still, thanks for taking the time to explain reason why so many job
 postings appear on this list.


 Rick


 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Stuart Yeates
 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:51 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

 On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:
  Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There
 seem to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are
 relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was
 originally created? If so, I'll stop now.

 The answer is always no because we are collectively using the the
 possession of an email client with filtering capability and the personal
 knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group membership. Those who
 find it easier to complain than write a filter mark themselves as members
 of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup.

 cheers
 stuart




--
Ruth Frasur
Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
Library
10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808

Our Kickin' Website http://hagerstownlibrary.org  Our Rockin' Facebook
Page http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary  and Stuff I'm
Readinghttp://pinterest.com/hjtplibrary/ruth-reads/


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Riley Childs
Suggestion: What if we had a daily digest? Instead of a blast evrytime a new 
job is posted why not do a daily digest of all posted jobs? Or we could say 
after there have been 12 jobs posted send a digest with those 12 jobs?

Riley Childs
Junior
IT Admin
email: rchi...@cucawarriors.com
office: +1 (704) 537-0031 x101
cell: +1 (704) 497-2086

Please Think Before Hitting Reply All
I Do Web Design! RileyChilds.net/services

From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ruth Frasur 
[direc...@hagerstownlibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 4:53 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

I rarely post anything to this list because honestly I'm not qualified in
most cases.  For this, however, I'm qualified.  While I didn't see the
initial question, I've figured it through its replies.

Some of those responses have been pretty disheartening.  While most of what
goes through this list is more Code than Libraries, I'd just like to remind
people that at the heart of libraries is The Question.  We're not the
parents that say Because I said so or Because that's how it's always
been done.

So, thanks to those who responded to the question with grace and
information.  And thanks to people willing to ask questions knowing that
replies may demonstrate a misunderstanding or disregard for the original
question.



On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Richard Sarvas richard.sar...@lib.uconn.edu
 wrote:

 Actually, I am not complaining. I am just wondering why I am receiving so
 may job postings on a list serve that I though was supposed to be relating
 to Code4Lib conferences and coding in library environments. Had the list
 been called Code4LibJobs I suspect I never would have asked the question
 in the first place. As that is not the title of this list I felt it was a
 reasonable question, mostly because every time this topic comes up people
 simply respond No without explaining why. When the topic was proposed by
 another member I took the time to seek clarification.

 Still, thanks for taking the time to explain reason why so many job
 postings appear on this list.


 Rick


 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Stuart Yeates
 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:51 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

 On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:
  Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There
 seem to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are
 relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was
 originally created? If so, I'll stop now.

 The answer is always no because we are collectively using the the
 possession of an email client with filtering capability and the personal
 knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group membership. Those who
 find it easier to complain than write a filter mark themselves as members
 of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup.

 cheers
 stuart




--
Ruth Frasur
Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
Library
10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808

Our Kickin' Website http://hagerstownlibrary.org  Our Rockin' Facebook
Page http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary  and Stuff I'm
Readinghttp://pinterest.com/hjtplibrary/ruth-reads/


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Ruth Frasur
Riley,

That sounds like a good idea.

+1 from me.



On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.comwrote:

 Suggestion: What if we had a daily digest? Instead of a blast evrytime a
 new job is posted why not do a daily digest of all posted jobs? Or we could
 say after there have been 12 jobs posted send a digest with those 12 jobs?

 Riley Childs
 Junior
 IT Admin
 email: rchi...@cucawarriors.com
 office: +1 (704) 537-0031 x101
 cell: +1 (704) 497-2086

 Please Think Before Hitting Reply All
 I Do Web Design! RileyChilds.net/services
 
 From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ruth
 Frasur [direc...@hagerstownlibrary.org]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 4:53 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

 I rarely post anything to this list because honestly I'm not qualified in
 most cases.  For this, however, I'm qualified.  While I didn't see the
 initial question, I've figured it through its replies.

 Some of those responses have been pretty disheartening.  While most of what
 goes through this list is more Code than Libraries, I'd just like to remind
 people that at the heart of libraries is The Question.  We're not the
 parents that say Because I said so or Because that's how it's always
 been done.

 So, thanks to those who responded to the question with grace and
 information.  And thanks to people willing to ask questions knowing that
 replies may demonstrate a misunderstanding or disregard for the original
 question.



 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Richard Sarvas 
 richard.sar...@lib.uconn.edu
  wrote:

  Actually, I am not complaining. I am just wondering why I am receiving so
  may job postings on a list serve that I though was supposed to be
 relating
  to Code4Lib conferences and coding in library environments. Had the list
  been called Code4LibJobs I suspect I never would have asked the
 question
  in the first place. As that is not the title of this list I felt it was a
  reasonable question, mostly because every time this topic comes up people
  simply respond No without explaining why. When the topic was proposed
 by
  another member I took the time to seek clarification.
 
  Still, thanks for taking the time to explain reason why so many job
  postings appear on this list.
 
 
  Rick
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
  Stuart Yeates
  Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:51 PM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
 
  On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:
   Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? There
  seem to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there
 are
  relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was
  originally created? If so, I'll stop now.
 
  The answer is always no because we are collectively using the the
  possession of an email client with filtering capability and the personal
  knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group membership. Those
 who
  find it easier to complain than write a filter mark themselves as members
  of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup.
 
  cheers
  stuart
 



 --
 Ruth Frasur
 Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
 Library
 10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
 p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808

 Our Kickin' Website http://hagerstownlibrary.org  Our Rockin' Facebook
 Page http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary  and Stuff I'm
 Readinghttp://pinterest.com/hjtplibrary/ruth-reads/




-- 
Ruth Frasur
Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
Library
10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808

Our Kickin' Website http://hagerstownlibrary.org  Our Rockin' Facebook
Page http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary  and Stuff I'm
Readinghttp://pinterest.com/hjtplibrary/ruth-reads/


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for discussing a separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Joe Hourcle
On May 6, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Dan Chudnov wrote:

 Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job: 
 postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

I think the real question here is if we should have a separate list for 
discussing if we need a separate list for jobs.  I propose 
'code4lib-jobs-list-discuss'.

-Joe


Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Barnes, Hugh
It's not conversation though, it's more like broadcast. Surely I don't have to 
explain on this particular list why this channel is not the perfect broadcast 
outlet.

Further, it's quite distinct subject matter.

Let me not generalise about librarians, but don't these ideas resonate?:

* separating out discrete information usefully ... ?
* giving users the tools to choose ... ? (OK, we can set up filters. Note that 
I don't do that for any other lists. This is a common enough filtering 
requirement that the onus of effort should be looked at. You filter it, user 
is only OK IMO for unusual filtering requirements - this seems to have weight 
behind it.)

And if there's, say, a job feed, I probably _will_ subscribe, but I'll check it 
less often. A feed will let us apply metadata (do we know what that is?), which 
means we could potentially filter it to our own regions too. Oh, the 
possibilities!

This organising information stuff isn't just a theory we test on our patrons. 
If this group can't provide an exemplar, then ... [insert calamity].

Cheers :)

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Riley 
Childs
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2014 9:10 a.m.
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

I vote no the separation, even though I am a high school student I still enjoy 
reading the postings and seeing what jobs are out there, people with solid jobs 
likely agree with me 100%, plus it lets me know what type of degree(s) I may 
need in this field!

Riley Childs
Junior
IT Admin
email: rchi...@cucawarriors.com
office: +1 (704) 537-0031 x101
cell: +1 (704) 497-2086

Please Think Before Hitting Reply All
I Do Web Design! RileyChilds.net/services 

From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ruth Frasur 
[direc...@hagerstownlibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 4:53 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

I rarely post anything to this list because honestly I'm not qualified in most 
cases.  For this, however, I'm qualified.  While I didn't see the initial 
question, I've figured it through its replies.

Some of those responses have been pretty disheartening.  While most of what 
goes through this list is more Code than Libraries, I'd just like to remind 
people that at the heart of libraries is The Question.  We're not the parents 
that say Because I said so or Because that's how it's always been done.

So, thanks to those who responded to the question with grace and information.  
And thanks to people willing to ask questions knowing that replies may 
demonstrate a misunderstanding or disregard for the original question.



On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Richard Sarvas richard.sar...@lib.uconn.edu
 wrote:

 Actually, I am not complaining. I am just wondering why I am receiving 
 so may job postings on a list serve that I though was supposed to be 
 relating to Code4Lib conferences and coding in library environments. 
 Had the list been called Code4LibJobs I suspect I never would have 
 asked the question in the first place. As that is not the title of 
 this list I felt it was a reasonable question, mostly because every 
 time this topic comes up people simply respond No without explaining 
 why. When the topic was proposed by another member I took the time to seek 
 clarification.

 Still, thanks for taking the time to explain reason why so many job 
 postings appear on this list.


 Rick


 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf 
 Of Stuart Yeates
 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:51 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

 On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:
  Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always No? 
  There
 seem to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there 
 are relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this 
 list was originally created? If so, I'll stop now.

 The answer is always no because we are collectively using the the 
 possession of an email client with filtering capability and the 
 personal knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group 
 membership. Those who find it easier to complain than write a filter 
 mark themselves as members of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup.

 cheers
 stuart




--
Ruth Frasur
Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township Library
10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346) p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 
489-5808

Our Kickin' Website http://hagerstownlibrary.org  Our Rockin' Facebook Page 
http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary  and Stuff I'm 
Readinghttp://pinterest.com/hjtplibrary/ruth-reads/


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Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for discussing a separate list for jobs

2014-05-06 Thread Notess, Mark
Ha ha---yes! exactly.

On 5/6/14, 6:13 PM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov wrote:

On May 6, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Dan Chudnov wrote:

 Is it time to reconsider:  should we start a separate list for Job:
postings?  code4lib-jobs, perhaps?

I think the real question here is if we should have a separate list for
discussing if we need a separate list for jobs.  I propose
'code4lib-jobs-list-discuss'.

-Joe