Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby
Whoohoo, late to the party! I like Python because I learned it first, and I haven't had a need to explore Ruby yet. I did briefly foray into learning Ruby in order to try to learn Rails, and I actually found that my background in Python sort of gave me brain-jam for learning Ruby, because the languages were so close together, but just different in some ways. So my mind would be 'oh, so it's just insert Python idiom here but then, it's not. If I tackle Ruby again, I will definitely try to 'empty my cup' first. -K On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Marc Chantreux m...@unistra.fr wrote: hello, Sorry comming late with it but: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:43:33AM -0500, Joshua Welker wrote: Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war here, but in the library coding community, is there a particular reason to use Ruby over Python or vice-versa? Is it the only choices you have? Because I'd personnally advice none of them I tested both of them before stucking to Perl just because * it is very pleasant when it come to explore and modify datastructures and strings (which library things are). * the ecosystem is briliant: perl comes with lot of libraries and tools with a quality i haven't found in other languages. Of course, perl is not perfect and i really would like to use a modern emerging compiled language like go, rust, haskell or even something on the jvm (like clojure or the emerging perl6) but all of them miss libraries. HTH regards -- Marc Chantreux Université de Strasbourg, Direction Informatique 14 Rue René Descartes, 67084 STRASBOURG CEDEX ☎: 03.68.85.57.40 http://unistra.fr Don't believe everything you read on the Internet -- Abraham Lincoln -- http://www.blar.net/kurt/blog/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby
I'm not sure about boutique, but I bet I can define brotique for you. ;) On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: What would you consider a boutique language? What isn't? -Ross. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Rich Wenger rwen...@mit.edu wrote: The proliferation of boutique languages is a cancer on our community. Each one is a YAP (Yet Another Priesthood), and little else. The world does not need five slightly varying syntaxes for a substring function. If I had switched languages every time the web community recommended it, I would have rewritten a mountain of apps at least twice in the past five years. What's next, a separate language to put periods at the end of sentences? Just my $.02. That is all. Rich Wenger E-Resource Systems Manager, MIT Libraries rwen...@mit.edu 617-253-0035 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Joshua Welker Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:56 AM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby I am already a big user of PHP for web apps, but PHP does not make a fantastic scripting language in my experience. Josh Welker Information Technology Librarian James C. Kirkpatrick Library University of Central Missouri Warrensburg, MO 64093 JCKL 2260 660.543.8022 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Riley Childs Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:18 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby No mention of PHP? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Kurt Nordstrom doseofvitam...@gmail.com wrote: Whoohoo, late to the party! I like Python because I learned it first, and I haven't had a need to explore Ruby yet. I did briefly foray into learning Ruby in order to try to learn Rails, and I actually found that my background in Python sort of gave me brain-jam for learning Ruby, because the languages were so close together, but just different in some ways. So my mind would be 'oh, so it's just insert Python idiom here but then, it's not. If I tackle Ruby again, I will definitely try to 'empty my cup' first. -K On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Marc Chantreux m...@unistra.fr wrote: hello, Sorry comming late with it but: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:43:33AM -0500, Joshua Welker wrote: Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war here, but in the library coding community, is there a particular reason to use Ruby over Python or vice-versa? Is it the only choices you have? Because I'd personnally advice none of them I tested both of them before stucking to Perl just because * it is very pleasant when it come to explore and modify datastructures and strings (which library things are). * the ecosystem is briliant: perl comes with lot of libraries and tools with a quality i haven't found in other languages. Of course, perl is not perfect and i really would like to use a modern emerging compiled language like go, rust, haskell or even something on the jvm (like clojure or the emerging perl6) but all of them miss libraries. HTH regards -- Marc Chantreux Université de Strasbourg, Direction Informatique 14 Rue René Descartes, 67084 STRASBOURG CEDEX ☎: 03.68.85.57.40 http://unistra.fr Don't believe everything you read on the Internet -- Abraham Lincoln -- http://www.blar.net/kurt/blog/ -- http://www.blar.net/kurt/blog/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby
Well, this is probably some obvious bait, but I will take it. :) *writing python code is very boring when you come from featured. langages like ruby or perl. nothing can be expressed a simple way* I'd call this an intentional feature, as opposed to a detriment. The idea behind Python is you should never have to stare at a line of code for a long time and wonder just what the programmer was trying to do. Cleverness can kill. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Marc Chantreux m...@unistra.fr wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:25:14AM -0500, Matthew Sherman wrote: Ok folks, we have veered into nonconstructive territory. How about we come back to the original question and help this person figure out what they need to about Ruby and Python so they can do well with what they want to work on. comparing languages on objective criterias (especially when they are as close as ruby and python) isn't constructive. but ok, let's try * both claim to be very easy to learn (ruby by having a very nice syntax, python by limitating the features from the syntax) * writing python code is very boring when you come from featured. langages like ruby or perl. nothing can be expressed a simple way. * ruby is slow ... i mean: even for a dynamic language. * both langages have libs for libraries for libraries but lack something as robust and usefull as CPAN (and related tools) * python has an equivalent of the perl PDL (scipy) * python has Natural Language Toolkit (equivalent in other langages ?) your basic goal | your langage - write/maintain faster | perl reuse existing faster | python learn faster | ruby executefaster | you're probably screwed. experiment lua, go, haskell, rust regards -- Marc Chantreux Université de Strasbourg, Direction Informatique 14 Rue René Descartes, 67084 STRASBOURG CEDEX ☎: 03.68.85.57.40 http://unistra.fr Don't believe everything you read on the Internet -- Abraham Lincoln -- http://www.blar.net/kurt/blog/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Metadata
I got such dirty looks when I used the term metametadata to describe something. ;) -Kurt On 02/13/2012 02:39 PM, Becky Yoose wrote: Could this conversation be described as metametadata? *runs, hides* Thanks, Becky
