Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
Appreciate the offer! I am willing to get my hands dirty, and it has, likewise, been a while. The problem comes in handing it off to others who aren't willing or can't. :) Definitely a project worth considering! Thanks, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com wrote: On 2014-08-04 16:07, Carol Bean wrote: Thanks, Scott. I appreciate the details. I hadn't thought of investigating firmware hacks. I have heard Cisco routers are being used to manage bandwidth, and are, as expected, a pricey solution. If you are willing to get your hands dirty. One does not need to ever deal with Cisco unless you have deep pockets as you correctly point out. Depending on how much of your network you control you should consider using OpenBSD's PF. Yes I am a well known shill for this OS so grab ya grain of salt. ;-) That said this is a tale of savings and performance. Sometimes you can have both. http://www.skeptech.org/blog/2013/01/13/unscrewed-a-story-about-openbsd/ As always YMMV but I actually enjoy this sort of thing so if you need someone who has done this *granted a good while back* I'm your Huckleberry. ;-) ./fxk
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
Yeah, gigabits seem to disappear fast with a few dedicated video users plus Skype users (yep - Skype is allowed, too). Then it gets really challenging trying to also have a library program involving a something like Watchitoo. Thanks, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com wrote: 20 users streaming HD YouTube is a big strain on the network itself, regardless of the pipe size. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Cary Gordonmailto:listu...@chillco.com Sent: 8/5/2014 8:33 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control With a gigabit pipe, I don't think that Youtube would be an issue :) On Aug 5, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Stuart Yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz wrote: We had complaints from students about other students using the limited resource (in this case student computers) to do facebook / youtube. We negotiated with the students union that certain sites would be blocked from those machines for a certain busy period during the day. Negotiation with the students union appeared to be hugely important in deflating any protests. cheers stuart On 05/08/14 02:20, Carol Bean wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
Oops, I meant to type Facebook, not Youtube. Cary On Tuesday, August 5, 2014, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: With a gigabit pipe, I don't think that Youtube would be an issue :) On Aug 5, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Stuart Yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz javascript:; wrote: We had complaints from students about other students using the limited resource (in this case student computers) to do facebook / youtube. We negotiated with the students union that certain sites would be blocked from those machines for a certain busy period during the day. Negotiation with the students union appeared to be hugely important in deflating any protests. cheers stuart On 05/08/14 02:20, Carol Bean wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com javascript:; -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
We had complaints from students about other students using the limited resource (in this case student computers) to do facebook / youtube. We negotiated with the students union that certain sites would be blocked from those machines for a certain busy period during the day. Negotiation with the students union appeared to be hugely important in deflating any protests. cheers stuart On 05/08/14 02:20, Carol Bean wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
We throttle YouTube for teachers and block for students, btw we use a SonicWall which I highly recommend for the cost/features ratio (even compared to open source stuff). //Riley Riley Childs Senior Charlotte United Christian Academy IT Services Admin Library Services Admin web: rileychilds.net twitter: @RowdyChildren Checkout our new library catalog: catalog.cucawarriors.com -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Stuart Yeates Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 6:54 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control We had complaints from students about other students using the limited resource (in this case student computers) to do facebook / youtube. We negotiated with the students union that certain sites would be blocked from those machines for a certain busy period during the day. Negotiation with the students union appeared to be hugely important in deflating any protests. cheers stuart On 05/08/14 02:20, Carol Bean wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
On 2014-08-04 16:07, Carol Bean wrote: Thanks, Scott. I appreciate the details. I hadn't thought of investigating firmware hacks. I have heard Cisco routers are being used to manage bandwidth, and are, as expected, a pricey solution. If you are willing to get your hands dirty. One does not need to ever deal with Cisco unless you have deep pockets as you correctly point out. Depending on how much of your network you control you should consider using OpenBSD's PF. Yes I am a well known shill for this OS so grab ya grain of salt. ;-) That said this is a tale of savings and performance. Sometimes you can have both. http://www.skeptech.org/blog/2013/01/13/unscrewed-a-story-about-openbsd/ As always YMMV but I actually enjoy this sort of thing so if you need someone who has done this *granted a good while back* I'm your Huckleberry. ;-) ./fxk
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
With a gigabit pipe, I don't think that Youtube would be an issue :) On Aug 5, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Stuart Yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz wrote: We had complaints from students about other students using the limited resource (in this case student computers) to do facebook / youtube. We negotiated with the students union that certain sites would be blocked from those machines for a certain busy period during the day. Negotiation with the students union appeared to be hugely important in deflating any protests. cheers stuart On 05/08/14 02:20, Carol Bean wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
20 users streaming HD YouTube is a big strain on the network itself, regardless of the pipe size. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Cary Gordonmailto:listu...@chillco.com Sent: 8/5/2014 8:33 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control With a gigabit pipe, I don't think that Youtube would be an issue :) On Aug 5, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Stuart Yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz wrote: We had complaints from students about other students using the limited resource (in this case student computers) to do facebook / youtube. We negotiated with the students union that certain sites would be blocked from those machines for a certain busy period during the day. Negotiation with the students union appeared to be hugely important in deflating any protests. cheers stuart On 05/08/14 02:20, Carol Bean wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com
[CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
I don¹t know about libraries, but there are some technical solutions to problems like these. One approach to reducing bandwidth may be bandwidth throttling in the router settings for the router the library uses. This limits the download/upload rates for a client or clients and may limit high resolution video viewing because the connection then could be set to throttle at a speed too slow to view some or all high-resolution streaming versions of videos in real time. This may also make it so that one user isn¹t hogging and saturating the internet connection and slowing the network for all other users. I've seen this kind of throttling in hotels that supply a free low speed connection that is good enough for checking email and browsing the web, but not fast enough for streaming video (they then may allow it if you pay an extra fee). There may also be ways to set daily bandwidth quotas for each client in the router settings for some routers. Many consumer routers do not have these settings, but more expensive professional-level routers or alternative firmwares for consumer routers might have the settings. For example, DD-WRT or Tomato are custom firmwares for some routers that may allow you to configure settings like this if someone has released something for your specific brand/model of router. For example a Tomato firmware by shibby has settings like this http://tomato.groov.pl/wp-content/gallery/screenshots/bwlimiter.png . I don¹t know if that helps or is what you¹re looking for. On 8/4/14, 7:20 AM, Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
Thanks, Scott. I appreciate the details. I hadn't thought of investigating firmware hacks. I have heard Cisco routers are being used to manage bandwidth, and are, as expected, a pricey solution. Carol On Aug 4, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Scott Fisher wrote: I don¹t know about libraries, but there are some technical solutions to problems like these. One approach to reducing bandwidth may be bandwidth throttling in the router settings for the router the library uses. This limits the download/upload rates for a client or clients and may limit high resolution video viewing because the connection then could be set to throttle at a speed too slow to view some or all high-resolution streaming versions of videos in real time. This may also make it so that one user isn¹t hogging and saturating the internet connection and slowing the network for all other users. I've seen this kind of throttling in hotels that supply a free low speed connection that is good enough for checking email and browsing the web, but not fast enough for streaming video (they then may allow it if you pay an extra fee). There may also be ways to set daily bandwidth quotas for each client in the router settings for some routers. Many consumer routers do not have these settings, but more expensive professional-level routers or alternative firmwares for consumer routers might have the settings. For example, DD-WRT or Tomato are custom firmwares for some routers that may allow you to configure settings like this if someone has released something for your specific brand/model of router. For example a Tomato firmware by shibby has settings like this http://tomato.groov.pl/wp-content/gallery/screenshots/bwlimiter.png . I don¹t know if that helps or is what you¹re looking for. On 8/4/14, 7:20 AM, Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
Like most things, if you want to do this, you probably can do it yourself http://web.opalsoft.net/qos/default.php ; and then Cisco, who also happen to make really big switches, get additional points for abstracting away some low-level decisions. Traffic-shaping is a lively commercial industry at this time, not least because it dovetails with deep-packet inspection in certain use cases like, how do I retain my hold on power in Egypt or Tunisia. I don’t mean to be a bummer though. -- Al Matthews Software Developer, Digital Services Unit Atlanta University Center, Robert W. Woodruff Library email: amatth...@auctr.edu; office: 1 404 978 2057 On 8/4/14, 4:07 PM, Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Scott. I appreciate the details. I hadn't thought of investigating firmware hacks. I have heard Cisco routers are being used to manage bandwidth, and are, as expected, a pricey solution. Carol On Aug 4, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Scott Fisher wrote: I don¹t know about libraries, but there are some technical solutions to problems like these. One approach to reducing bandwidth may be bandwidth throttling in the router settings for the router the library uses. This limits the download/upload rates for a client or clients and may limit high resolution video viewing because the connection then could be set to throttle at a speed too slow to view some or all high-resolution streaming versions of videos in real time. This may also make it so that one user isn¹t hogging and saturating the internet connection and slowing the network for all other users. I've seen this kind of throttling in hotels that supply a free low speed connection that is good enough for checking email and browsing the web, but not fast enough for streaming video (they then may allow it if you pay an extra fee). There may also be ways to set daily bandwidth quotas for each client in the router settings for some routers. Many consumer routers do not have these settings, but more expensive professional-level routers or alternative firmwares for consumer routers might have the settings. For example, DD-WRT or Tomato are custom firmwares for some routers that may allow you to configure settings like this if someone has released something for your specific brand/model of router. For example a Tomato firmware by shibby has settings like this http://tomato.groov.pl/wp-content/gallery/screenshots/bwlimiter.png . I don¹t know if that helps or is what you¹re looking for. On 8/4/14, 7:20 AM, Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com ** The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies. ** IronMail scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content. ** **
Re: [CODE4LIB] Bandwidth control
Thanks for the link. I probably could do it myself if I shook the cobwebs off that part of my brain. :) Thanks, Carol On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Al Matthews wrote: Like most things, if you want to do this, you probably can do it yourself http://web.opalsoft.net/qos/default.php ; and then Cisco, who also happen to make really big switches, get additional points for abstracting away some low-level decisions. Traffic-shaping is a lively commercial industry at this time, not least because it dovetails with deep-packet inspection in certain use cases like, how do I retain my hold on power in Egypt or Tunisia. I don’t mean to be a bummer though. -- Al Matthews Software Developer, Digital Services Unit Atlanta University Center, Robert W. Woodruff Library email: amatth...@auctr.edu; office: 1 404 978 2057 On 8/4/14, 4:07 PM, Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Scott. I appreciate the details. I hadn't thought of investigating firmware hacks. I have heard Cisco routers are being used to manage bandwidth, and are, as expected, a pricey solution. Carol On Aug 4, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Scott Fisher wrote: I don¹t know about libraries, but there are some technical solutions to problems like these. One approach to reducing bandwidth may be bandwidth throttling in the router settings for the router the library uses. This limits the download/upload rates for a client or clients and may limit high resolution video viewing because the connection then could be set to throttle at a speed too slow to view some or all high-resolution streaming versions of videos in real time. This may also make it so that one user isn¹t hogging and saturating the internet connection and slowing the network for all other users. I've seen this kind of throttling in hotels that supply a free low speed connection that is good enough for checking email and browsing the web, but not fast enough for streaming video (they then may allow it if you pay an extra fee). There may also be ways to set daily bandwidth quotas for each client in the router settings for some routers. Many consumer routers do not have these settings, but more expensive professional-level routers or alternative firmwares for consumer routers might have the settings. For example, DD-WRT or Tomato are custom firmwares for some routers that may allow you to configure settings like this if someone has released something for your specific brand/model of router. For example a Tomato firmware by shibby has settings like this http://tomato.groov.pl/wp-content/gallery/screenshots/bwlimiter.png . I don¹t know if that helps or is what you¹re looking for. On 8/4/14, 7:20 AM, Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com wrote: A quick and dirty search of the list archives turned up this topic from 5 years ago. I am wondering what libraries (especially those with limited resources) are doing today to control or moderate bandwidth, e.g., where viewing video sites uses up excessive amounts of bandwidth? Thanks for any help, Carol Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com ** The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies. ** IronMail scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content. ** **
