Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
I guess there’s “what do you mean by ‘C4L'” and “what do you mean by ‘standards’” that need to be clarified here. Cary is right, this list/community/whatever is definitely well represented by people who sit on formal standards committees or are involved in the organizations that create them, etc. But I think more important is the “what do you mean by ‘standards’” question: C4L has definitely spawned several specifications (COinS, UnAPI, etc.) and (in my mind) has been under-utilized in this arena for a few years. You’ve got a gathering of smart, like-minded people: if you want to create a spec, solicit your idea, start a mailing list, follow the ROGUE ’05 rules [1], and let a thousand specifications bloom. We’re generally in need of a spec, not a standard, I’ve found (although they’re definitely not mutually exclusive!). -Ross. 1. http://wiki.code4lib.org/Rogue On Oct 7, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu wrote: OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
I like c4l because there are limited standards... Just sayin' Riley Childs Senior Charlotte United Christian Academy Library Services Administrator IT Services (704) 497-2086 rileychilds.net @rowdychildren From: Chris Fitzpatrickmailto:chrisfitz...@gmail.com Sent: 10/8/2014 7:53 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) So this thread started from talking about RFID ( i'm interested! ) to talking about augmented reality ( uh, ok, now less interested...) to talking about standards ( oh no, not again.. ) to talking about c4l ( yep. ) So, are people using RFID? A lot? Is it working, or did it make life hellish? b,chris. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess there’s “what do you mean by ‘C4L'” and “what do you mean by ‘standards’” that need to be clarified here. Cary is right, this list/community/whatever is definitely well represented by people who sit on formal standards committees or are involved in the organizations that create them, etc. But I think more important is the “what do you mean by ‘standards’” question: C4L has definitely spawned several specifications (COinS, UnAPI, etc.) and (in my mind) has been under-utilized in this arena for a few years. You’ve got a gathering of smart, like-minded people: if you want to create a spec, solicit your idea, start a mailing list, follow the ROGUE ’05 rules [1], and let a thousand specifications bloom. We’re generally in need of a spec, not a standard, I’ve found (although they’re definitely not mutually exclusive!). -Ross. 1. http://wiki.code4lib.org/Rogue On Oct 7, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu wrote: OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
Oh I definitely agree. Some of my best friends are narcissists, so I get it. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com wrote: I like c4l because there are limited standards... Just sayin' Riley Childs Senior Charlotte United Christian Academy Library Services Administrator IT Services (704) 497-2086 rileychilds.net @rowdychildren From: Chris Fitzpatrickmailto:chrisfitz...@gmail.com Sent: 10/8/2014 7:53 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) So this thread started from talking about RFID ( i'm interested! ) to talking about augmented reality ( uh, ok, now less interested...) to talking about standards ( oh no, not again.. ) to talking about c4l ( yep. ) So, are people using RFID? A lot? Is it working, or did it make life hellish? b,chris. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess there’s “what do you mean by ‘C4L'” and “what do you mean by ‘standards’” that need to be clarified here. Cary is right, this list/community/whatever is definitely well represented by people who sit on formal standards committees or are involved in the organizations that create them, etc. But I think more important is the “what do you mean by ‘standards’” question: C4L has definitely spawned several specifications (COinS, UnAPI, etc.) and (in my mind) has been under-utilized in this arena for a few years. You’ve got a gathering of smart, like-minded people: if you want to create a spec, solicit your idea, start a mailing list, follow the ROGUE ’05 rules [1], and let a thousand specifications bloom. We’re generally in need of a spec, not a standard, I’ve found (although they’re definitely not mutually exclusive!). -Ross. 1. http://wiki.code4lib.org/Rogue On Oct 7, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu wrote: OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
On Oct 8, 2014, at 4:54, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: We’re generally in need of a spec, not a standard, I’ve found (although they’re definitely not mutually exclusive!). The wonderful thing about standards, is that there are so many to choose from. -- Andrew Anderson, Director of Development, Library and Information Resources Network, Inc. http://www.lirn.net/ | http://www.twitter.com/LIRNnotes | http://www.facebook.com/LIRNnotes
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
Andrew Pace always used to say We have only two standards: Sub-standard and Non-standard. On 10/8/14 8:57 AM, Andrew Anderson and...@lirn.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2014, at 4:54, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: We¹re generally in need of a spec, not a standard, I¹ve found (although they¹re definitely not mutually exclusive!). The wonderful thing about standards, is that there are so many to choose from. -- Andrew Anderson, Director of Development, Library and Information Resources Network, Inc. http://www.lirn.net/ | http://www.twitter.com/LIRNnotes | http://www.facebook.com/LIRNnotes
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
hi Christina, I am your friendly neighborhood standards person at NISO. There are also several people who are active in NISO who are also active in Code4Lib, and we are always looking for more! I read Code4Lib when I can and attend the conference when I can (sad to say that my proposals are never voted in… oh standards…) re RFID: most of the action is now going on at the international level within ISO and TC46 (the ISO committee that handles information and documentation). There is a working group within TC46, WG11, which handles ISO 28560, RFID in Libraries. Revisions and new proposals for extensions to the standard happen here. The Danes are currently serving as the secretariat for this WG: http://biblstandard.dk/rfid/ NISO represents the US to TC46 (ANSI is actually the ISO member but appoints NISO for this particular role). Hence we appoint the US representatives to the WG and handle communication of the US voting position for any changes that need to be approved at the TC46 level. I would be happy to coordinate any further questions you might have. I should also say that I disagree that BISG is anti-libraries, as another commenter opined. However, it’s true that libraries are not its primary constituency. NISO is a strong industry partner with BISG on cross-industry standards and communication, and we work together on many initiatives to make sure that requirements and perspectives from each group re metadata, business practices, etc. are shared as much as possible. Cheers, Nettie -- Nettie Lagace Associate Director for Programs National Information Standards Organization (NISO) 3600 Clipper Mill Road, Suite 302 Baltimore, MD 21211 Mobile: 617-863-0501 Fax: 410-685-5278 E-mail: nlag...@niso.org On Oct 7, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu wrote: OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
I am sorry, I should not have said asserted, as I did, that BISG sees libraries as competition and will not do anything to help them. Its the publishers who control BISG who would, in my opinion, not shed a tear were the last public library to close its doors. Your mileage may differ. Cary On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Nettie Lagace net...@niso.org wrote: hi Christina, I am your friendly neighborhood standards person at NISO. There are also several people who are active in NISO who are also active in Code4Lib, and we are always looking for more! I read Code4Lib when I can and attend the conference when I can (sad to say that my proposals are never voted in… oh standards…) re RFID: most of the action is now going on at the international level within ISO and TC46 (the ISO committee that handles information and documentation). There is a working group within TC46, WG11, which handles ISO 28560, RFID in Libraries. Revisions and new proposals for extensions to the standard happen here. The Danes are currently serving as the secretariat for this WG: http://biblstandard.dk/rfid/ NISO represents the US to TC46 (ANSI is actually the ISO member but appoints NISO for this particular role). Hence we appoint the US representatives to the WG and handle communication of the US voting position for any changes that need to be approved at the TC46 level. I would be happy to coordinate any further questions you might have. I should also say that I disagree that BISG is anti-libraries, as another commenter opined. However, it’s true that libraries are not its primary constituency. NISO is a strong industry partner with BISG on cross-industry standards and communication, and we work together on many initiatives to make sure that requirements and perspectives from each group re metadata, business practices, etc. are shared as much as possible. Cheers, Nettie -- Nettie Lagace Associate Director for Programs National Information Standards Organization (NISO) 3600 Clipper Mill Road, Suite 302 Baltimore, MD 21211 Mobile: 617-863-0501 Fax: 410-685-5278 E-mail: nlag...@niso.org On Oct 7, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu wrote: OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess. -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
This is as good as it gets, which is pretty good in my opinion. Cary Gordon, MLS On Monday, October 6, 2014, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a professional organization for librarians who code? -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
Yes, I love C4L too, but Can/does C4L have players on NISO for example - what is C4L involvement in standards? Should/could C4L be involved in standards? (And probably tangentially, is C4L a professional organization?) Wow, this is turning into another iteration of the library community web standards thread from last week, isn't it? But man, I think we're losing so many opportunities to have a voice in the development of technologies that could be useful to us and our users. Christina PS, just to throw this back in response: I disagree that current print books in academic libraries aren't conducive to student learning - they're just more one tool in the research tool kit, aren't they and would they get used more often if librarians made them easier to use? -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Cary Gordon Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:53 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) This is as good as it gets, which is pretty good in my opinion. Cary Gordon, MLS On Monday, October 6, 2014, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a professional organization for librarians who code? -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
Hello, I think code4lib is awesome and I've seen threads on this list before that discussed whether code4lib should become a more traditional organization. I think code4 lib is fine as it is, but I think we definitely need a professional organization for librarians that code. These talks of standards and guidelines may reflect such a need. I think LITA is awesome as well! But is there not a need for something else? As far as print books go, they are much too slow and don't functionally meet modern information needs, at least not in their current form (internet of things?) Maybe a little AR would help. The DRM, publishing, software, and standards issues are inhibitors, but I think the ship has sailed on the millions of non connected print books in academic library shelves. I wouldn't get rid of them. But their days are numbered. I think print books are a niche and if we don't provide then we would lose an important part of culture. But I do wonder, how many open stacks have clay tablets and scrolls? Personally, I wish they did. But I wouldnt recommend that they be used to do serious work. Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Library Department Chair South Suburban College 7087052945 Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong learning. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu wrote: Yes, I love C4L too, but Can/does C4L have players on NISO for example - what is C4L involvement in standards? Should/could C4L be involved in standards? (And probably tangentially, is C4L a professional organization?) Wow, this is turning into another iteration of the library community web standards thread from last week, isn't it? But man, I think we're losing so many opportunities to have a voice in the development of technologies that could be useful to us and our users. Christina PS, just to throw this back in response: I disagree that current print books in academic libraries aren't conducive to student learning - they're just more one tool in the research tool kit, aren't they and would they get used more often if librarians made them easier to use? -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Cary Gordon Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:53 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) This is as good as it gets, which is pretty good in my opinion. Cary Gordon, MLS On Monday, October 6, 2014, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a professional organization for librarians who code? -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
The has been little interest in formalizing c4l, and many folks believe that our strength is in our ad hoc-ness. I generally resist getting involved in discussions of standards, because while I am a strong advocate for standards, I have been a member of NISO, invested a lot of time in a couple standards, and I have seen how the sausage is made, or more aptly, fails to get made. NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. As to the original reference, suffice it to say that I believe BISG — the US counterpart to BIC — sees libraries as competition and will not do anything to help them. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I think code4lib is awesome and I've seen threads on this list before that discussed whether code4lib should become a more traditional organization. I think code4 lib is fine as it is, but I think we definitely need a professional organization for librarians that code. These talks of standards and guidelines may reflect such a need. I think LITA is awesome as well! But is there not a need for something else? As far as print books go, they are much too slow and don't functionally meet modern information needs, at least not in their current form (internet of things?) Maybe a little AR would help. The DRM, publishing, software, and standards issues are inhibitors, but I think the ship has sailed on the millions of non connected print books in academic library shelves. I wouldn't get rid of them. But their days are numbered. I think print books are a niche and if we don't provide then we would lose an important part of culture. But I do wonder, how many open stacks have clay tablets and scrolls? Personally, I wish they did. But I wouldnt recommend that they be used to do serious work. Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Library Department Chair South Suburban College 7087052945 Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong learning. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu wrote: Yes, I love C4L too, but Can/does C4L have players on NISO for example - what is C4L involvement in standards? Should/could C4L be involved in standards? (And probably tangentially, is C4L a professional organization?) Wow, this is turning into another iteration of the library community web standards thread from last week, isn't it? But man, I think we're losing so many opportunities to have a voice in the development of technologies that could be useful to us and our users. Christina PS, just to throw this back in response: I disagree that current print books in academic libraries aren't conducive to student learning - they're just more one tool in the research tool kit, aren't they and would they get used more often if librarians made them easier to use? -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Cary Gordon Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:53 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) This is as good as it gets, which is pretty good in my opinion. Cary Gordon, MLS On Monday, October 6, 2014, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a professional organization for librarians who code? -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
Of interest to the initial discussion topic: http://google.github.io/physical-web/ What is this? The Physical Web is an approach to unleash the core superpower of the web: interaction on demand. People should be able to walk up to any smart device - a vending machine, a poster, a toy, a bus stop, a rental car - and not have to download an app first. Everything should be just a tap away. The Physical Web is not shipping yet nor is it a Google product. This is an early-stage experimental project and we're developing it out in the open as we do all things related to the web. This should only be of interest to developers looking to test out this feature and provide us feedback. -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
I think code4 lib is fine as it is, but I think we definitely need a professional organization for librarians that code. These talks of standards and guidelines may reflect such a need. I think LITA is awesome as well! But is there not a need for something else? Aside from the library specific organizations mentioned already, there are plenty of professional organizations for librarians who code. I'm partial to ACM, but IEEE is another obvious choice and there are others. Mixing it up with people who come from different backgrounds and do different things is fun, exposes you to more stuff, and prevents intellectual inbreeding. Don't discount local groups. They're normally less specialized, but face time helps you make connections between people, systems, methods, etc that you otherwise wouldn't. kyle
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.
[CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
I mean that there are plenty of individuals on the c4l list who are involved at various levels with various standards bodies, NISO being the most well represented. I was not referring to the shadowy c4l illuminati society that controls everything. Cary -- Forwarded message -- From: Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess. -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
Hello, C4l illuminati, I like it! Thanks, Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Library Department Chair South Suburban College 7087052945 Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong learning. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: I mean that there are plenty of individuals on the c4l list who are involved at various levels with various standards bodies, NISO being the most well represented. I was not referring to the shadowy c4l illuminati society that controls everything. Cary -- Forwarded message -- From: Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess. -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
I feel like someone needs to design a C4L Illuminati t-shirt for C4L 2015. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, C4l illuminati, I like it! Thanks, Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Library Department Chair South Suburban College 7087052945 Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong learning. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: I mean that there are plenty of individuals on the c4l list who are involved at various levels with various standards bodies, NISO being the most well represented. I was not referring to the shadowy c4l illuminati society that controls everything. Cary -- Forwarded message -- From: Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess. -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com -- Maura Carbone Digital Initiatives Librarian Brandeis University Library and Technology Services (781) 736-4659 415 South Street, (MS 017/P.O. Box 549110) Waltham, MA 02454-9110 email: mau...@brandeis.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
This is disturbing to me. I thought we had agreed not to mention the C4L Illuminati. -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Maura Carbone Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:54 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) I feel like someone needs to design a C4L Illuminati t-shirt for C4L 2015. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, C4l illuminati, I like it! Thanks, Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Library Department Chair South Suburban College 7087052945 Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong learning. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: I mean that there are plenty of individuals on the c4l list who are involved at various levels with various standards bodies, NISO being the most well represented. I was not referring to the shadowy c4l illuminati society that controls everything. Cary -- Forwarded message -- From: Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too. I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in standards making bodies. And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation is happening with American standards making bodies? Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards making bodies? Christina -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis Kayiwa Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs) On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: NISO (and LITA, ASIST, etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already. +1 ./fxk -- You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess. -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com -- Maura Carbone Digital Initiatives Librarian Brandeis University Library and Technology Services (781) 736-4659 415 South Street, (MS 017/P.O. Box 549110) Waltham, MA 02454-9110 email: mau...@brandeis.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
Hello, Thanks Kyle. Thanks, Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Library Department Chair South Suburban College 7087052945 Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong learning. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.com wrote: I think code4 lib is fine as it is, but I think we definitely need a professional organization for librarians that code. These talks of standards and guidelines may reflect such a need. I think LITA is awesome as well! But is there not a need for something else? Aside from the library specific organizations mentioned already, there are plenty of professional organizations for librarians who code. I'm partial to ACM, but IEEE is another obvious choice and there are others. Mixing it up with people who come from different backgrounds and do different things is fun, exposes you to more stuff, and prevents intellectual inbreeding. Don't discount local groups. They're normally less specialized, but face time helps you make connections between people, systems, methods, etc that you otherwise wouldn't. kyle
[CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
Hey C4L’ers, I hope this isn’t too spammy, but in the last round of “how are you building your stack mapping” app, I mentioned the potential of RFID to fulfill this need in the future (or did I chicken out on that post?) instead of using barcodes that then interact with a database … This SHORT (I promise) blog by a British RFID expert talks about that use as well as some other NFC uses in libraries: http://www.mickfortune.com/Wordpress/?p=1185 Seems like whenever I bring this up, I hear crickets chirping but since a whole bunch o’ libraries adopted RFID (many of whom later abandoned it), wouldn’t it be cool to leverage RID and our users’ mobile devices to assist them in various ways? Christina Salazar Systems Librarian John Spoor Broome Library California State University, Channel Islands 805/437-3198 [Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
Hello, Augmented Reality, Virtually Reality, and RFID are definitely the future. However, we need more input into these technologies, protocols, and standards. We need a coding army. We need a professional organization of coding librarians. The current print books in academic libraries aren't conducive to student learning (just need to throw that out there) Technologies like RFID shouldn't be overlooked by libraries. I would definitely like to use this technology in my library for self check out and Geo location. This would help with iRoving, wearables, and discovery. Is there a professional organization for librarians who code? Thanks, Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Library Department Chair South Suburban College 7087052945 Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong learning. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu wrote: Hey C4L’ers, I hope this isn’t too spammy, but in the last round of “how are you building your stack mapping” app, I mentioned the potential of RFID to fulfill this need in the future (or did I chicken out on that post?) instead of using barcodes that then interact with a database … This SHORT (I promise) blog by a British RFID expert talks about that use as well as some other NFC uses in libraries: http://www.mickfortune.com/Wordpress/?p=1185 Seems like whenever I bring this up, I hear crickets chirping but since a whole bunch o’ libraries adopted RFID (many of whom later abandoned it), wouldn’t it be cool to leverage RID and our users’ mobile devices to assist them in various ways? Christina Salazar Systems Librarian John Spoor Broome Library California State University, Channel Islands 805/437-3198 [Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]
