[CODE4LIB] Wikipedia notability (was Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey)
I'm currently spending a chunk of time attempting to balance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New_Zealand_academics for recentism, gender imbalance and racial imbalance, creating 100 biographies so far. I can tell you that google scholar is a really crappy measure once you move outside the modern hard sciences, particularly in fields where the monograph is still revered. I can also tell you that there are people who have won the Hector Medal (for a long time the highest science prize in the country) who are in neither google scholar nor VIAF (and yes, we're a country hooked up to the feeder system for VIAF). As much as we like to think that libraries are central to academia and research, sometimes the world is not as it appears from our hallowed windows. [Anyone struggling to prove notability for a non-straight-white-male is welcome to ping me on wikipedia for help.] cheers stuart On 21/09/14 06:12, Karen Coyle wrote: I also was interested because I've recently joined the hardworking group of Wikipedians who work to distinguish between notable persons and able self-promoters. In doing so, I've learned a lot about how self-promotion works, especially in social media. In Wikipedia, to be considered notable, there needs to be some reliable proof - that is, third-party references, not provided by the individual in question. In terms of accomplishments, for example for academics, there is a list of measures, albeit not measurable in the scientific sense. [1] Just for a lark, look at the Google scholar profiles for Joe Murphy, RoyT, and for myself: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zW1lb04Jhl=enoi=ao http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LJw73cAJhl=en http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=m4Tx73QJhl=enoi=ao The h-index, while imprecise, is about as close as you get to something one can cite as a measure. It's not a decision, but it is an indication. I put this forward not as proof of anything, but to offer that reputation is extremely hard to quantify, but should be looked at with a critical eye and not taken for granted. It also fits in with what we already know, which is that men promote themselves in the workplace more aggressively than women do. In fact, in the Wikipedia group, we mainly find articles about men whose notability is over-stated. (You can see my blog post on the problems of notability for women. [2]) I greatly admire your stand for free speech. Beyond this, I will contact you offline with other thoughts. kc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29 [2] http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2014/09/wpnotability-and-women.html On 9/20/14, 9:16 AM, Lisa Rabey wrote: Friends: I know many of you have already been boosting the signal, and we thank you profusely for the help. For those who do not know, Joe Murphy is currently suing nina and I in $1.25M defamation case because From our official statement (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/) Mr. Murphy claims that Ms. Rabey “posted the following false, libelous and highly damaging tweet accusing the plaintiff of being a ‘sexual predator'”3. He further claims that Ms. de jesus wrote a blog post that “makes additional false, libelous, highly damaging, outrageous, malicious statements against the plaintiff alleging the commission of sexual harassment and sexual abuse of women and other forms of criminal and unlawful behaviour”4. Both Ms. Rabey and Ms. de jesus maintain that our comments are fair and are truthful, which we intend to establish in our defense. Neither of us made the claims maliciously nor with any intent to damage Mr. Murphy’s reputation. Right now we need the following most importantly: 1. We have a call out for additional witnesses (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/call-for-witnesses/), which have started to filter in more accounts of harrassment. Please, PLEASE, if you know/seen/heard anything about the plaintiff, or know someone who might -- please have them get in touch. 2. Share our site (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com) which includes details of the case and updates. Please help us get the word out to as many people as possible about the plaintiff's attempt to silence those speaking up against sexual harassment and why you won't stand for it. 3. onations: Many, many of you have asked to help donate to fund our mounting legal costs. We will have a donation page up soon. Even if you cannot help financially, please share across your social networks. We will not be silenced. We will not be shamed. Thank you again. The outpouring of support that has been happening has made this all very much worth while. Best, Lisa
Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey
Ed - I don't know why, but that sounds quite defensive. If your CV emphasizes speaking engagements and writings, then what you have written is relevant. But please look at the notability suggestions for Wikipedia for people and for academics before focusing on that one piece of information. I believe that I carefully explained that this was only one piece of information, that it wasn't absolute, and that notability is complex. Sheesh. kc On 9/20/14, 4:21 PM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: I don't know anything about the lawsuit or what has transpired to cause it, but since when does an H-index score make one a notable librarian? Many notable librarians don't publish anything at all. Edward On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Lisa, I hadn't know about this so I just spend some time reading the items you list below. I was primarily motivated to do so because I had never heard of this famous librarian, Joe Murphy. (I must be in a different conference circuit than he is.) I also was interested because I've recently joined the hardworking group of Wikipedians who work to distinguish between notable persons and able self-promoters. In doing so, I've learned a lot about how self-promotion works, especially in social media. In Wikipedia, to be considered notable, there needs to be some reliable proof - that is, third-party references, not provided by the individual in question. In terms of accomplishments, for example for academics, there is a list of measures, albeit not measurable in the scientific sense. [1] Just for a lark, look at the Google scholar profiles for Joe Murphy, RoyT, and for myself: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zW1lb04Jhl=enoi=ao http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LJw73cAJhl=en http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=m4Tx73QJhl=enoi=ao The h-index, while imprecise, is about as close as you get to something one can cite as a measure. It's not a decision, but it is an indication. I put this forward not as proof of anything, but to offer that reputation is extremely hard to quantify, but should be looked at with a critical eye and not taken for granted. It also fits in with what we already know, which is that men promote themselves in the workplace more aggressively than women do. In fact, in the Wikipedia group, we mainly find articles about men whose notability is over-stated. (You can see my blog post on the problems of notability for women. [2]) I greatly admire your stand for free speech. Beyond this, I will contact you offline with other thoughts. kc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29 [2] http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2014/09/wpnotability-and-women.html On 9/20/14, 9:16 AM, Lisa Rabey wrote: Friends: I know many of you have already been boosting the signal, and we thank you profusely for the help. For those who do not know, Joe Murphy is currently suing nina and I in $1.25M defamation case because From our official statement (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/) Mr. Murphy claims that Ms. Rabey “posted the following false, libelous and highly damaging tweet accusing the plaintiff of being a ‘sexual predator'”3. He further claims that Ms. de jesus wrote a blog post that “makes additional false, libelous, highly damaging, outrageous, malicious statements against the plaintiff alleging the commission of sexual harassment and sexual abuse of women and other forms of criminal and unlawful behaviour”4. Both Ms. Rabey and Ms. de jesus maintain that our comments are fair and are truthful, which we intend to establish in our defense. Neither of us made the claims maliciously nor with any intent to damage Mr. Murphy’s reputation. Right now we need the following most importantly: 1. We have a call out for additional witnesses (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/call-for-witnesses/), which have started to filter in more accounts of harrassment. Please, PLEASE, if you know/seen/heard anything about the plaintiff, or know someone who might -- please have them get in touch. 2. Share our site (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com) which includes details of the case and updates. Please help us get the word out to as many people as possible about the plaintiff's attempt to silence those speaking up against sexual harassment and why you won't stand for it. 3. onations: Many, many of you have asked to help donate to fund our mounting legal costs. We will have a donation page up soon. Even if you cannot help financially, please share across your social networks. We will not be silenced. We will not be shamed. Thank you again. The outpouring of support that has been happening has made this all very much worth while. Best, Lisa -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
[CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey
Friends: I know many of you have already been boosting the signal, and we thank you profusely for the help. For those who do not know, Joe Murphy is currently suing nina and I in $1.25M defamation case because From our official statement (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/) Mr. Murphy claims that Ms. Rabey “posted the following false, libelous and highly damaging tweet accusing the plaintiff of being a ‘sexual predator'”3. He further claims that Ms. de jesus wrote a blog post that “makes additional false, libelous, highly damaging, outrageous, malicious statements against the plaintiff alleging the commission of sexual harassment and sexual abuse of women and other forms of criminal and unlawful behaviour”4. Both Ms. Rabey and Ms. de jesus maintain that our comments are fair and are truthful, which we intend to establish in our defense. Neither of us made the claims maliciously nor with any intent to damage Mr. Murphy’s reputation. Right now we need the following most importantly: 1. We have a call out for additional witnesses (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/call-for-witnesses/), which have started to filter in more accounts of harrassment. Please, PLEASE, if you know/seen/heard anything about the plaintiff, or know someone who might -- please have them get in touch. 2. Share our site (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com) which includes details of the case and updates. Please help us get the word out to as many people as possible about the plaintiff's attempt to silence those speaking up against sexual harassment and why you won't stand for it. 3. onations: Many, many of you have asked to help donate to fund our mounting legal costs. We will have a donation page up soon. Even if you cannot help financially, please share across your social networks. We will not be silenced. We will not be shamed. Thank you again. The outpouring of support that has been happening has made this all very much worth while. Best, Lisa -- Lisa M. Rabey | @pnkrcklibrarian - https://exitpursuedbyabear.net | https://lisarabey.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey
Lisa, I hadn't know about this so I just spend some time reading the items you list below. I was primarily motivated to do so because I had never heard of this famous librarian, Joe Murphy. (I must be in a different conference circuit than he is.) I also was interested because I've recently joined the hardworking group of Wikipedians who work to distinguish between notable persons and able self-promoters. In doing so, I've learned a lot about how self-promotion works, especially in social media. In Wikipedia, to be considered notable, there needs to be some reliable proof - that is, third-party references, not provided by the individual in question. In terms of accomplishments, for example for academics, there is a list of measures, albeit not measurable in the scientific sense. [1] Just for a lark, look at the Google scholar profiles for Joe Murphy, RoyT, and for myself: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zW1lb04Jhl=enoi=ao http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LJw73cAJhl=en http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=m4Tx73QJhl=enoi=ao The h-index, while imprecise, is about as close as you get to something one can cite as a measure. It's not a decision, but it is an indication. I put this forward not as proof of anything, but to offer that reputation is extremely hard to quantify, but should be looked at with a critical eye and not taken for granted. It also fits in with what we already know, which is that men promote themselves in the workplace more aggressively than women do. In fact, in the Wikipedia group, we mainly find articles about men whose notability is over-stated. (You can see my blog post on the problems of notability for women. [2]) I greatly admire your stand for free speech. Beyond this, I will contact you offline with other thoughts. kc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29 [2] http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2014/09/wpnotability-and-women.html On 9/20/14, 9:16 AM, Lisa Rabey wrote: Friends: I know many of you have already been boosting the signal, and we thank you profusely for the help. For those who do not know, Joe Murphy is currently suing nina and I in $1.25M defamation case because From our official statement (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/) Mr. Murphy claims that Ms. Rabey “posted the following false, libelous and highly damaging tweet accusing the plaintiff of being a ‘sexual predator'”3. He further claims that Ms. de jesus wrote a blog post that “makes additional false, libelous, highly damaging, outrageous, malicious statements against the plaintiff alleging the commission of sexual harassment and sexual abuse of women and other forms of criminal and unlawful behaviour”4. Both Ms. Rabey and Ms. de jesus maintain that our comments are fair and are truthful, which we intend to establish in our defense. Neither of us made the claims maliciously nor with any intent to damage Mr. Murphy’s reputation. Right now we need the following most importantly: 1. We have a call out for additional witnesses (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/call-for-witnesses/), which have started to filter in more accounts of harrassment. Please, PLEASE, if you know/seen/heard anything about the plaintiff, or know someone who might -- please have them get in touch. 2. Share our site (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com) which includes details of the case and updates. Please help us get the word out to as many people as possible about the plaintiff's attempt to silence those speaking up against sexual harassment and why you won't stand for it. 3. onations: Many, many of you have asked to help donate to fund our mounting legal costs. We will have a donation page up soon. Even if you cannot help financially, please share across your social networks. We will not be silenced. We will not be shamed. Thank you again. The outpouring of support that has been happening has made this all very much worth while. Best, Lisa -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey
Just a minor point. Despite my relative index score it doesn't necessarily mean that I am not a shameless self-promoter, it may just mean I've been at it longer. Just sayin'. Roy On Sep 20, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Lisa, I hadn't know about this so I just spend some time reading the items you list below. I was primarily motivated to do so because I had never heard of this famous librarian, Joe Murphy. (I must be in a different conference circuit than he is.) I also was interested because I've recently joined the hardworking group of Wikipedians who work to distinguish between notable persons and able self-promoters. In doing so, I've learned a lot about how self-promotion works, especially in social media. In Wikipedia, to be considered notable, there needs to be some reliable proof - that is, third-party references, not provided by the individual in question. In terms of accomplishments, for example for academics, there is a list of measures, albeit not measurable in the scientific sense. [1] Just for a lark, look at the Google scholar profiles for Joe Murphy, RoyT, and for myself: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zW1lb04Jhl=enoi=ao http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LJw73cAJhl=en http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=m4Tx73QJhl=enoi=ao The h-index, while imprecise, is about as close as you get to something one can cite as a measure. It's not a decision, but it is an indication. I put this forward not as proof of anything, but to offer that reputation is extremely hard to quantify, but should be looked at with a critical eye and not taken for granted. It also fits in with what we already know, which is that men promote themselves in the workplace more aggressively than women do. In fact, in the Wikipedia group, we mainly find articles about men whose notability is over-stated. (You can see my blog post on the problems of notability for women. [2]) I greatly admire your stand for free speech. Beyond this, I will contact you offline with other thoughts. kc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29 [2] http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2014/09/wpnotability-and-women.html On 9/20/14, 9:16 AM, Lisa Rabey wrote: Friends: I know many of you have already been boosting the signal, and we thank you profusely for the help. For those who do not know, Joe Murphy is currently suing nina and I in $1.25M defamation case because From our official statement (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/) Mr. Murphy claims that Ms. Rabey “posted the following false, libelous and highly damaging tweet accusing the plaintiff of being a ‘sexual predator'”3. He further claims that Ms. de jesus wrote a blog post that “makes additional false, libelous, highly damaging, outrageous, malicious statements against the plaintiff alleging the commission of sexual harassment and sexual abuse of women and other forms of criminal and unlawful behaviour”4. Both Ms. Rabey and Ms. de jesus maintain that our comments are fair and are truthful, which we intend to establish in our defense. Neither of us made the claims maliciously nor with any intent to damage Mr. Murphy’s reputation. Right now we need the following most importantly: 1. We have a call out for additional witnesses (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/call-for-witnesses/), which have started to filter in more accounts of harrassment. Please, PLEASE, if you know/seen/heard anything about the plaintiff, or know someone who might -- please have them get in touch. 2. Share our site (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com) which includes details of the case and updates. Please help us get the word out to as many people as possible about the plaintiff's attempt to silence those speaking up against sexual harassment and why you won't stand for it. 3. onations: Many, many of you have asked to help donate to fund our mounting legal costs. We will have a donation page up soon. Even if you cannot help financially, please share across your social networks. We will not be silenced. We will not be shamed. Thank you again. The outpouring of support that has been happening has made this all very much worth while. Best, Lisa -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey
Roy, this is pretty much in line with what I said, below: shameless self-promotion can be seen as a plus or at least not a minus for men, but few women would have replied the way you did. It does make you wonder how much more visible women would be if self-promotion were more culturally acceptable for them. Again, I refer to my blog post, which you may not have had time to read before posting. kc On 9/20/14, 12:41 PM, Roy Tennant wrote: Just a minor point. Despite my relative index score it doesn't necessarily mean that I am not a shameless self-promoter, it may just mean I've been at it longer. Just sayin'. Roy On Sep 20, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Lisa, I hadn't know about this so I just spend some time reading the items you list below. I was primarily motivated to do so because I had never heard of this famous librarian, Joe Murphy. (I must be in a different conference circuit than he is.) I also was interested because I've recently joined the hardworking group of Wikipedians who work to distinguish between notable persons and able self-promoters. In doing so, I've learned a lot about how self-promotion works, especially in social media. In Wikipedia, to be considered notable, there needs to be some reliable proof - that is, third-party references, not provided by the individual in question. In terms of accomplishments, for example for academics, there is a list of measures, albeit not measurable in the scientific sense. [1] Just for a lark, look at the Google scholar profiles for Joe Murphy, RoyT, and for myself: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zW1lb04Jhl=enoi=ao http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LJw73cAJhl=en http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=m4Tx73QJhl=enoi=ao The h-index, while imprecise, is about as close as you get to something one can cite as a measure. It's not a decision, but it is an indication. I put this forward not as proof of anything, but to offer that reputation is extremely hard to quantify, but should be looked at with a critical eye and not taken for granted. It also fits in with what we already know, which is that men promote themselves in the workplace more aggressively than women do. In fact, in the Wikipedia group, we mainly find articles about men whose notability is over-stated. (You can see my blog post on the problems of notability for women. [2]) I greatly admire your stand for free speech. Beyond this, I will contact you offline with other thoughts. kc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29 [2] http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2014/09/wpnotability-and-women.html On 9/20/14, 9:16 AM, Lisa Rabey wrote: Friends: I know many of you have already been boosting the signal, and we thank you profusely for the help. For those who do not know, Joe Murphy is currently suing nina and I in $1.25M defamation case because From our official statement (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/) Mr. Murphy claims that Ms. Rabey “posted the following false, libelous and highly damaging tweet accusing the plaintiff of being a ‘sexual predator'”3. He further claims that Ms. de jesus wrote a blog post that “makes additional false, libelous, highly damaging, outrageous, malicious statements against the plaintiff alleging the commission of sexual harassment and sexual abuse of women and other forms of criminal and unlawful behaviour”4. Both Ms. Rabey and Ms. de jesus maintain that our comments are fair and are truthful, which we intend to establish in our defense. Neither of us made the claims maliciously nor with any intent to damage Mr. Murphy’s reputation. Right now we need the following most importantly: 1. We have a call out for additional witnesses (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/call-for-witnesses/), which have started to filter in more accounts of harrassment. Please, PLEASE, if you know/seen/heard anything about the plaintiff, or know someone who might -- please have them get in touch. 2. Share our site (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com) which includes details of the case and updates. Please help us get the word out to as many people as possible about the plaintiff's attempt to silence those speaking up against sexual harassment and why you won't stand for it. 3. onations: Many, many of you have asked to help donate to fund our mounting legal costs. We will have a donation page up soon. Even if you cannot help financially, please share across your social networks. We will not be silenced. We will not be shamed. Thank you again. The outpouring of support that has been happening has made this all very much worth while. Best, Lisa -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: snip I put this forward not as proof of anything, but to offer that reputation is extremely hard to quantify, but should be looked at with a critical eye and not taken for granted. It also fits in with what we already know, which is that men promote themselves in the workplace more aggressively than women do. In fact, in the Wikipedia group, we mainly find articles about men whose notability is over-stated. (You can see my blog post on the problems of notability for women. [2]) I greatly admire your stand for free speech. Beyond this, I will contact you offline with other thoughts. Anything quoted in our official public statement (and thus in my previous email message) is taken directly from Murphy's lawyer's statement of alleged complaint. Lisa -- Lisa M. Rabey | @byshieldmaiden (formerly @pnkrcklibrarian) - https://exitpursuedbyabear.net | https://lisarabey.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey
I don't know anything about the lawsuit or what has transpired to cause it, but since when does an H-index score make one a notable librarian? Many notable librarians don't publish anything at all. Edward On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Lisa, I hadn't know about this so I just spend some time reading the items you list below. I was primarily motivated to do so because I had never heard of this famous librarian, Joe Murphy. (I must be in a different conference circuit than he is.) I also was interested because I've recently joined the hardworking group of Wikipedians who work to distinguish between notable persons and able self-promoters. In doing so, I've learned a lot about how self-promotion works, especially in social media. In Wikipedia, to be considered notable, there needs to be some reliable proof - that is, third-party references, not provided by the individual in question. In terms of accomplishments, for example for academics, there is a list of measures, albeit not measurable in the scientific sense. [1] Just for a lark, look at the Google scholar profiles for Joe Murphy, RoyT, and for myself: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zW1lb04Jhl=enoi=ao http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LJw73cAJhl=en http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=m4Tx73QJhl=enoi=ao The h-index, while imprecise, is about as close as you get to something one can cite as a measure. It's not a decision, but it is an indication. I put this forward not as proof of anything, but to offer that reputation is extremely hard to quantify, but should be looked at with a critical eye and not taken for granted. It also fits in with what we already know, which is that men promote themselves in the workplace more aggressively than women do. In fact, in the Wikipedia group, we mainly find articles about men whose notability is over-stated. (You can see my blog post on the problems of notability for women. [2]) I greatly admire your stand for free speech. Beyond this, I will contact you offline with other thoughts. kc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29 [2] http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2014/09/wpnotability-and-women.html On 9/20/14, 9:16 AM, Lisa Rabey wrote: Friends: I know many of you have already been boosting the signal, and we thank you profusely for the help. For those who do not know, Joe Murphy is currently suing nina and I in $1.25M defamation case because From our official statement (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/) Mr. Murphy claims that Ms. Rabey “posted the following false, libelous and highly damaging tweet accusing the plaintiff of being a ‘sexual predator'”3. He further claims that Ms. de jesus wrote a blog post that “makes additional false, libelous, highly damaging, outrageous, malicious statements against the plaintiff alleging the commission of sexual harassment and sexual abuse of women and other forms of criminal and unlawful behaviour”4. Both Ms. Rabey and Ms. de jesus maintain that our comments are fair and are truthful, which we intend to establish in our defense. Neither of us made the claims maliciously nor with any intent to damage Mr. Murphy’s reputation. Right now we need the following most importantly: 1. We have a call out for additional witnesses (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/call-for-witnesses/), which have started to filter in more accounts of harrassment. Please, PLEASE, if you know/seen/heard anything about the plaintiff, or know someone who might -- please have them get in touch. 2. Share our site (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com) which includes details of the case and updates. Please help us get the word out to as many people as possible about the plaintiff's attempt to silence those speaking up against sexual harassment and why you won't stand for it. 3. onations: Many, many of you have asked to help donate to fund our mounting legal costs. We will have a donation page up soon. Even if you cannot help financially, please share across your social networks. We will not be silenced. We will not be shamed. Thank you again. The outpouring of support that has been happening has made this all very much worth while. Best, Lisa -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey
+1 Riley Childs Senior Charlotte United Christian Academy Library Services Administrator IT Services (704) 497-2086 rileychilds.net @rowdychildren From: Edward M. Corradomailto:ecorr...@ecorrado.us Sent: 9/20/2014 7:21 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey I don't know anything about the lawsuit or what has transpired to cause it, but since when does an H-index score make one a notable librarian? Many notable librarians don't publish anything at all. Edward On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Lisa, I hadn't know about this so I just spend some time reading the items you list below. I was primarily motivated to do so because I had never heard of this famous librarian, Joe Murphy. (I must be in a different conference circuit than he is.) I also was interested because I've recently joined the hardworking group of Wikipedians who work to distinguish between notable persons and able self-promoters. In doing so, I've learned a lot about how self-promotion works, especially in social media. In Wikipedia, to be considered notable, there needs to be some reliable proof - that is, third-party references, not provided by the individual in question. In terms of accomplishments, for example for academics, there is a list of measures, albeit not measurable in the scientific sense. [1] Just for a lark, look at the Google scholar profiles for Joe Murphy, RoyT, and for myself: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zW1lb04Jhl=enoi=ao http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LJw73cAJhl=en http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=m4Tx73QJhl=enoi=ao The h-index, while imprecise, is about as close as you get to something one can cite as a measure. It's not a decision, but it is an indication. I put this forward not as proof of anything, but to offer that reputation is extremely hard to quantify, but should be looked at with a critical eye and not taken for granted. It also fits in with what we already know, which is that men promote themselves in the workplace more aggressively than women do. In fact, in the Wikipedia group, we mainly find articles about men whose notability is over-stated. (You can see my blog post on the problems of notability for women. [2]) I greatly admire your stand for free speech. Beyond this, I will contact you offline with other thoughts. kc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29 [2] http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2014/09/wpnotability-and-women.html On 9/20/14, 9:16 AM, Lisa Rabey wrote: Friends: I know many of you have already been boosting the signal, and we thank you profusely for the help. For those who do not know, Joe Murphy is currently suing nina and I in $1.25M defamation case because From our official statement (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/) Mr. Murphy claims that Ms. Rabey “posted the following false, libelous and highly damaging tweet accusing the plaintiff of being a ‘sexual predator'”3. He further claims that Ms. de jesus wrote a blog post that “makes additional false, libelous, highly damaging, outrageous, malicious statements against the plaintiff alleging the commission of sexual harassment and sexual abuse of women and other forms of criminal and unlawful behaviour”4. Both Ms. Rabey and Ms. de jesus maintain that our comments are fair and are truthful, which we intend to establish in our defense. Neither of us made the claims maliciously nor with any intent to damage Mr. Murphy’s reputation. Right now we need the following most importantly: 1. We have a call out for additional witnesses (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/call-for-witnesses/), which have started to filter in more accounts of harrassment. Please, PLEASE, if you know/seen/heard anything about the plaintiff, or know someone who might -- please have them get in touch. 2. Share our site (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com) which includes details of the case and updates. Please help us get the word out to as many people as possible about the plaintiff's attempt to silence those speaking up against sexual harassment and why you won't stand for it. 3. onations: Many, many of you have asked to help donate to fund our mounting legal costs. We will have a donation page up soon. Even if you cannot help financially, please share across your social networks. We will not be silenced. We will not be shamed. Thank you again. The outpouring of support that has been happening has made this all very much worth while. Best, Lisa -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
Re: [CODE4LIB] Official #teamharpy Statement on the case of Joseph Hawley Murphy vs. nina de jesus and Lisa Rabey
Perhaps this topic could be taken up in another thread? -Mike On Sep 20, 2014 4:22 PM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.us wrote: I don't know anything about the lawsuit or what has transpired to cause it, but since when does an H-index score make one a notable librarian? Many notable librarians don't publish anything at all. Edward On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Lisa, I hadn't know about this so I just spend some time reading the items you list below. I was primarily motivated to do so because I had never heard of this famous librarian, Joe Murphy. (I must be in a different conference circuit than he is.) I also was interested because I've recently joined the hardworking group of Wikipedians who work to distinguish between notable persons and able self-promoters. In doing so, I've learned a lot about how self-promotion works, especially in social media. In Wikipedia, to be considered notable, there needs to be some reliable proof - that is, third-party references, not provided by the individual in question. In terms of accomplishments, for example for academics, there is a list of measures, albeit not measurable in the scientific sense. [1] Just for a lark, look at the Google scholar profiles for Joe Murphy, RoyT, and for myself: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zW1lb04Jhl=enoi=ao http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LJw73cAJhl=en http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=m4Tx73QJhl=enoi=ao The h-index, while imprecise, is about as close as you get to something one can cite as a measure. It's not a decision, but it is an indication. I put this forward not as proof of anything, but to offer that reputation is extremely hard to quantify, but should be looked at with a critical eye and not taken for granted. It also fits in with what we already know, which is that men promote themselves in the workplace more aggressively than women do. In fact, in the Wikipedia group, we mainly find articles about men whose notability is over-stated. (You can see my blog post on the problems of notability for women. [2]) I greatly admire your stand for free speech. Beyond this, I will contact you offline with other thoughts. kc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29 [2] http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2014/09/wpnotability-and-women.html On 9/20/14, 9:16 AM, Lisa Rabey wrote: Friends: I know many of you have already been boosting the signal, and we thank you profusely for the help. For those who do not know, Joe Murphy is currently suing nina and I in $1.25M defamation case because From our official statement (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/) Mr. Murphy claims that Ms. Rabey “posted the following false, libelous and highly damaging tweet accusing the plaintiff of being a ‘sexual predator'”3. He further claims that Ms. de jesus wrote a blog post that “makes additional false, libelous, highly damaging, outrageous, malicious statements against the plaintiff alleging the commission of sexual harassment and sexual abuse of women and other forms of criminal and unlawful behaviour”4. Both Ms. Rabey and Ms. de jesus maintain that our comments are fair and are truthful, which we intend to establish in our defense. Neither of us made the claims maliciously nor with any intent to damage Mr. Murphy’s reputation. Right now we need the following most importantly: 1. We have a call out for additional witnesses (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com/call-for-witnesses/), which have started to filter in more accounts of harrassment. Please, PLEASE, if you know/seen/heard anything about the plaintiff, or know someone who might -- please have them get in touch. 2. Share our site (http://teamharpy.wordpress.com) which includes details of the case and updates. Please help us get the word out to as many people as possible about the plaintiff's attempt to silence those speaking up against sexual harassment and why you won't stand for it. 3. onations: Many, many of you have asked to help donate to fund our mounting legal costs. We will have a donation page up soon. Even if you cannot help financially, please share across your social networks. We will not be silenced. We will not be shamed. Thank you again. The outpouring of support that has been happening has made this all very much worth while. Best, Lisa -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
