Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I think pairing would need to be done pretty carefully and I'm not sure that only pairing women with women, for example, would be a good thing. Even ignoring my belief that it would be sexist, it could cause practical problems by creating a feedback loop: fewer women in the community probably means fewer women mentors available for women learners, leading to slower promotion of women into the community. Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
Hi all, I wouldn't want to crowd out women who are looking for this sort of mentoring, but I (and other men) might be interested in being a mentee[1]. The flip side of MJ's logic (which I agree with) is that no men in the pool of mentees means fewer opportunities for women to be mentors. Just my two cents. Joe Montibello, MLIS Library Systems Manager Dartmouth College Library 603.646.9394 joseph.montibe...@dartmouth.edu [1] dumb aside on the word mentee - from Wikipedia, The person in receipt of mentorship may be referred to as a protégé (male), a protégée (female), an apprentice or, in recent years, a mentee. Protégé(é) appeals to me more than mentee, but maybe that's because my brain jumps from mentee to mentees to Mentos. I don't want to volunteer to be dropped into a bottle of soda! Also, I don't have enough linguistics/language history to know if protégée is a female derivative of the male form, which would probably be undesirable. On 12/7/12 8:52 AM, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I think pairing would need to be done pretty carefully and I'm not sure that only pairing women with women, for example, would be a good thing. Even ignoring my belief that it would be sexist, it could cause practical problems by creating a feedback loop: fewer women in the community probably means fewer women mentors available for women learners, leading to slower promotion of women into the community. Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
+1 Male, coded in prehistoric times, now do more research and administration. Want to learn Pyramid just well enough to make really terrible web front ends for my really terrible python ETL scripts. -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Montibello Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:55 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program Hi all, I wouldn't want to crowd out women who are looking for this sort of mentoring, but I (and other men) might be interested in being a mentee[1]. The flip side of MJ's logic (which I agree with) is that no men in the pool of mentees means fewer opportunities for women to be mentors. Just my two cents. Joe Montibello, MLIS Library Systems Manager Dartmouth College Library 603.646.9394 joseph.montibe...@dartmouth.edu [1] dumb aside on the word mentee - from Wikipedia, The person in receipt of mentorship may be referred to as a protégé (male), a protégée (female), an apprentice or, in recent years, a mentee. Protégé(é) appeals to me more than mentee, but maybe that's because my brain jumps from mentee to mentees to Mentos. I don't want to volunteer to be dropped into a bottle of soda! Also, I don't have enough linguistics/language history to know if protégée is a female derivative of the male form, which would probably be undesirable. On 12/7/12 8:52 AM, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I think pairing would need to be done pretty carefully and I'm not sure that only pairing women with women, for example, would be a good thing. Even ignoring my belief that it would be sexist, it could cause practical problems by creating a feedback loop: fewer women in the community probably means fewer women mentors available for women learners, leading to slower promotion of women into the community. Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
Thank you to Ranti for setting up the wiki page! Please post your name to that page as others have started to do if you have any interest in being involved with the mentorship program. It doesn't matter what your gender is to participate, but if you have a preference for who you'd like to be matched with, you can state it there and we'll do our best to meet your wishes. Mentee works for me, but The MIT program I referenced in an earlier email uses the word partner instead. I changed it to that on the wiki page to partner, but if anyone has objections, we can hash it out on the wiki page... not worth putting everyone on list through a labeling debate. -Shaun On 12/7/12 9:54 AM, Joseph Montibello wrote: Hi all, I wouldn't want to crowd out women who are looking for this sort of mentoring, but I (and other men) might be interested in being a mentee[1]. The flip side of MJ's logic (which I agree with) is that no men in the pool of mentees means fewer opportunities for women to be mentors. Just my two cents. Joe Montibello, MLIS Library Systems Manager Dartmouth College Library 603.646.9394 joseph.montibe...@dartmouth.edu [1] dumb aside on the word mentee - from Wikipedia, The person in receipt of mentorship may be referred to as a protégé (male), a protégée (female), an apprentice or, in recent years, a mentee. Protégé(é) appeals to me more than mentee, but maybe that's because my brain jumps from mentee to mentees to Mentos. I don't want to volunteer to be dropped into a bottle of soda! Also, I don't have enough linguistics/language history to know if protégée is a female derivative of the male form, which would probably be undesirable. On 12/7/12 8:52 AM, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I think pairing would need to be done pretty carefully and I'm not sure that only pairing women with women, for example, would be a good thing. Even ignoring my belief that it would be sexist, it could cause practical problems by creating a feedback loop: fewer women in the community probably means fewer women mentors available for women learners, leading to slower promotion of women into the community. Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ -- Shaun D. Ellis Digital Library Interface Developer Firestone Library, Princeton University voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
Hi Shaun, That page was mostly for me to keep track of upgrades, especially with regards to plugins. Although most of the major upgrades still haven't happened, I don't know that that page is entirely up-to-date. Cary contacted me about working on the Drupal upgrade, and I'll work with him shortly on it, I'm pretty busy this week. I don't know that it's a great task list for others to work from. There's many more content/page maintenance things that aren't on there. Ryan Wick -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaun Ellis Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I don't think it needs to be very formal, but it would be important to give some structure to it so folks know what they are getting into, how to make sure everyone meets their goals, and measure the effectiveness of the program in terms of meeting code4lib goals (such as increasing diversity, getting more volunteer help, etc.). We can start a wikipage to start to flesh this out, unless folks would like to use a different forum. In addition to the RailsBridge workshop, I was thinking that Code4Lib community projects would be a great way to both learn and recruit future volunteers. I was also trying to find the list of maintenance projects wiki page that someone (Jonathan?) was referring to as being top priorities for Code4Lib. Is this it? http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/AdminToDo Thoughts? -Shaun On 12/5/12 3:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: So rather than focusing on statistics and math, I'd like to steer the conversation in a different direction. Let's say Ross is right and more women chose to take the survey based on the topic -- maybe that's a way to get women involved in Code4Lib. Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can be a place to start. Or maybe we have a few women that are willing to step up and be a Code4Lib mentor to other women -- similar to what we do for the new member event at the conference. I'd even be willing to step up and organize that if people like the idea. Thoughts? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nzwrote: On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote: I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses That idea runs into problems both with non-western names (there is more than one kind of diversity) and those people whose experience of gender in the workplace have led them to use non-gender-specific identifiers. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/**library/http://www.victoria.ac.nz/librar y/ -- Shaun D. Ellis Digital Library Interface Developer Firestone Library, Princeton University voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
Hey Shaun, I was actually thinking about some of this this morning, so I'm happy to see there is someone else out there thinking about the same things. I like the idea of some type of structure to a program, I wonder if maybe we could combine Karen's idea of training with a mentorship program. I also like your idea of projects being a way to recruit future volunteers, both because it helps us know where to go to find people, but also because it would help newbies figure out what's out there in the Code4Lib world (it took me forever to realize that the website was something i needed a password to in order to vote). If you already started a wiki page point me to it, I'm happy to start fleshing out ideas! Rosalyn On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote: Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I don't think it needs to be very formal, but it would be important to give some structure to it so folks know what they are getting into, how to make sure everyone meets their goals, and measure the effectiveness of the program in terms of meeting code4lib goals (such as increasing diversity, getting more volunteer help, etc.). We can start a wikipage to start to flesh this out, unless folks would like to use a different forum. In addition to the RailsBridge workshop, I was thinking that Code4Lib community projects would be a great way to both learn and recruit future volunteers. I was also trying to find the list of maintenance projects wiki page that someone (Jonathan?) was referring to as being top priorities for Code4Lib. Is this it? http://wiki.code4lib.org/**index.php/AdminToDohttp://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/AdminToDo Thoughts? -Shaun On 12/5/12 3:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: So rather than focusing on statistics and math, I'd like to steer the conversation in a different direction. Let's say Ross is right and more women chose to take the survey based on the topic -- maybe that's a way to get women involved in Code4Lib. Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can be a place to start. Or maybe we have a few women that are willing to step up and be a Code4Lib mentor to other women -- similar to what we do for the new member event at the conference. I'd even be willing to step up and organize that if people like the idea. Thoughts? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz** wrote: On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote: I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses…. That idea runs into problems both with non-western names (there is more than one kind of diversity) and those people whose experience of gender in the workplace have led them to use non-gender-specific identifiers. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/http://www.victoria.ac.nz/**library/ http://www.victoria.**ac.nz/library/http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/ -- Shaun D. Ellis Digital Library Interface Developer Firestone Library, Princeton University voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
Hi, This sounds like a good idea. If you are looking for expressions of interest, I would be interested in being mentored. Thank you, Donna R. Campbell Technical Services Systems Librarian (215) 935-3872 (phone) (267) 295-3641 (fax) Mailing Address (via USPS): Westminster Theological Seminary Library P.O. Box 27009 Philadelphia, PA 19118 USA Shipping Address (via UPS or FedEx): Westminster Theological Seminary Library 2960 W. Church Rd. Glenside, PA 19038 USA -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Rosalyn Metz Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:34 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program Hey Shaun, I was actually thinking about some of this this morning, so I'm happy to see there is someone else out there thinking about the same things. I like the idea of some type of structure to a program, I wonder if maybe we could combine Karen's idea of training with a mentorship program. I also like your idea of projects being a way to recruit future volunteers, both because it helps us know where to go to find people, but also because it would help newbies figure out what's out there in the Code4Lib world (it took me forever to realize that the website was something i needed a password to in order to vote). If you already started a wiki page point me to it, I'm happy to start fleshing out ideas! Rosalyn On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote: Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I don't think it needs to be very formal, but it would be important to give some structure to it so folks know what they are getting into, how to make sure everyone meets their goals, and measure the effectiveness of the program in terms of meeting code4lib goals (such as increasing diversity, getting more volunteer help, etc.). We can start a wikipage to start to flesh this out, unless folks would like to use a different forum. In addition to the RailsBridge workshop, I was thinking that Code4Lib community projects would be a great way to both learn and recruit future volunteers. I was also trying to find the list of maintenance projects wiki page that someone (Jonathan?) was referring to as being top priorities for Code4Lib. Is this it? http://wiki.code4lib.org/**index.php/AdminToDohttp://wiki.code4lib.org/in dex.php/AdminToDo Thoughts? -Shaun On 12/5/12 3:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: So rather than focusing on statistics and math, I'd like to steer the conversation in a different direction. Let's say Ross is right and more women chose to take the survey based on the topic -- maybe that's a way to get women involved in Code4Lib. Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can be a place to start. Or maybe we have a few women that are willing to step up and be a Code4Lib mentor to other women -- similar to what we do for the new member event at the conference. I'd even be willing to step up and organize that if people like the idea. Thoughts? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz** wrote: On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote: I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses.. That idea runs into problems both with non-western names (there is more than one kind of diversity) and those people whose experience of gender in the workplace have led them to use non-gender-specific identifiers. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/http://www.victoria.ac.nz/**library / http://www.victoria.**ac.nz/library/http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/ -- Shaun D. Ellis Digital Library Interface Developer Firestone Library, Princeton University voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
In terms of structure, drupalladder.org and Dreamwidth ( http://wiki.dwscoalition.org/notes/Dev_Getting_Started ) are good models for how to scaffold the process for new developers, and to help new community members regardless of skill level find places they can contribute and understand the socially accepted workflow. --ay On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Shaun, I was actually thinking about some of this this morning, so I'm happy to see there is someone else out there thinking about the same things. I like the idea of some type of structure to a program, I wonder if maybe we could combine Karen's idea of training with a mentorship program. I also like your idea of projects being a way to recruit future volunteers, both because it helps us know where to go to find people, but also because it would help newbies figure out what's out there in the Code4Lib world (it took me forever to realize that the website was something i needed a password to in order to vote). If you already started a wiki page point me to it, I'm happy to start fleshing out ideas! Rosalyn On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote: Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I don't think it needs to be very formal, but it would be important to give some structure to it so folks know what they are getting into, how to make sure everyone meets their goals, and measure the effectiveness of the program in terms of meeting code4lib goals (such as increasing diversity, getting more volunteer help, etc.). We can start a wikipage to start to flesh this out, unless folks would like to use a different forum. In addition to the RailsBridge workshop, I was thinking that Code4Lib community projects would be a great way to both learn and recruit future volunteers. I was also trying to find the list of maintenance projects wiki page that someone (Jonathan?) was referring to as being top priorities for Code4Lib. Is this it? http://wiki.code4lib.org/**index.php/AdminToDo http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/AdminToDo Thoughts? -Shaun On 12/5/12 3:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: So rather than focusing on statistics and math, I'd like to steer the conversation in a different direction. Let's say Ross is right and more women chose to take the survey based on the topic -- maybe that's a way to get women involved in Code4Lib. Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can be a place to start. Or maybe we have a few women that are willing to step up and be a Code4Lib mentor to other women -- similar to what we do for the new member event at the conference. I'd even be willing to step up and organize that if people like the idea. Thoughts? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz ** wrote: On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote: I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses…. That idea runs into problems both with non-western names (there is more than one kind of diversity) and those people whose experience of gender in the workplace have led them to use non-gender-specific identifiers. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/ http://www.victoria.ac.nz/**library/ http://www.victoria.**ac.nz/library/ http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/ -- Shaun D. Ellis Digital Library Interface Developer Firestone Library, Princeton University voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
Welp, here's the mostly empty wiki page for this project: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship_Program Feel free to deconstruct the page as needed. I supopse those who want to be mentored could help by adding what are their goals/projected outcomes from this mentorship and what kind of mentor they are looking for. Or we might not need to be so formal, if people wish so. ;-) ranti. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Jessica Wood wood@gmail.com wrote: I'm also very interested in being mentored in a program along these lines. I very much like the idea of combining training, mentoring and volunteering - having a specific, practical project to work on, plus someone to talk to about it, would be tremendously beneficial to me. And, you know, not to be completely selfish - doing something useful to others would be great too. Side note (also selfish): I hope that at least parts of this idea will be available to people not attending the conference. I'd love to go to a future conference, but I'm not making it to this one. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Andromeda Yelton andromeda.yel...@gmail.com wrote: In terms of structure, drupalladder.org and Dreamwidth ( http://wiki.dwscoalition.org/notes/Dev_Getting_Started ) are good models for how to scaffold the process for new developers, and to help new community members regardless of skill level find places they can contribute and understand the socially accepted workflow. --ay On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Shaun, I was actually thinking about some of this this morning, so I'm happy to see there is someone else out there thinking about the same things. I like the idea of some type of structure to a program, I wonder if maybe we could combine Karen's idea of training with a mentorship program. I also like your idea of projects being a way to recruit future volunteers, both because it helps us know where to go to find people, but also because it would help newbies figure out what's out there in the Code4Lib world (it took me forever to realize that the website was something i needed a password to in order to vote). If you already started a wiki page point me to it, I'm happy to start fleshing out ideas! Rosalyn On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote: Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I don't think it needs to be very formal, but it would be important to give some structure to it so folks know what they are getting into, how to make sure everyone meets their goals, and measure the effectiveness of the program in terms of meeting code4lib goals (such as increasing diversity, getting more volunteer help, etc.). We can start a wikipage to start to flesh this out, unless folks would like to use a different forum. In addition to the RailsBridge workshop, I was thinking that Code4Lib community projects would be a great way to both learn and recruit future volunteers. I was also trying to find the list of maintenance projects wiki page that someone (Jonathan?) was referring to as being top priorities for Code4Lib. Is this it? http://wiki.code4lib.org/**index.php/AdminToDo http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/AdminToDo Thoughts? -Shaun On 12/5/12 3:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: So rather than focusing on statistics and math, I'd like to steer the conversation in a different direction. Let's say Ross is right and more women chose to take the survey based on the topic -- maybe that's a way to get women involved in Code4Lib. Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can be a place to start. Or maybe we have a few women that are willing to step up and be a Code4Lib mentor to other women -- similar to what we do for the new member event at the conference. I'd even be willing to step up and organize that if people like the idea. Thoughts? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz ** wrote: On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote: I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses…. That idea runs into problems both with non-western names (there is more than one kind of diversity) and those people whose experience of gender
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
ranti++ I added myself as a potential mentor and mentee. Thank you for setting this up and I look forward to seeing how it evolves. Bess On Dec 6, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Ranti Junus ranti.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Welp, here's the mostly empty wiki page for this project: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship_Program Feel free to deconstruct the page as needed. I supopse those who want to be mentored could help by adding what are their goals/projected outcomes from this mentorship and what kind of mentor they are looking for. Or we might not need to be so formal, if people wish so. ;-) ranti. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Jessica Wood wood@gmail.com wrote: I'm also very interested in being mentored in a program along these lines. I very much like the idea of combining training, mentoring and volunteering - having a specific, practical project to work on, plus someone to talk to about it, would be tremendously beneficial to me. And, you know, not to be completely selfish - doing something useful to others would be great too. Side note (also selfish): I hope that at least parts of this idea will be available to people not attending the conference. I'd love to go to a future conference, but I'm not making it to this one. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Andromeda Yelton andromeda.yel...@gmail.com wrote: In terms of structure, drupalladder.org and Dreamwidth ( http://wiki.dwscoalition.org/notes/Dev_Getting_Started ) are good models for how to scaffold the process for new developers, and to help new community members regardless of skill level find places they can contribute and understand the socially accepted workflow. --ay On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Shaun, I was actually thinking about some of this this morning, so I'm happy to see there is someone else out there thinking about the same things. I like the idea of some type of structure to a program, I wonder if maybe we could combine Karen's idea of training with a mentorship program. I also like your idea of projects being a way to recruit future volunteers, both because it helps us know where to go to find people, but also because it would help newbies figure out what's out there in the Code4Lib world (it took me forever to realize that the website was something i needed a password to in order to vote). If you already started a wiki page point me to it, I'm happy to start fleshing out ideas! Rosalyn On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote: Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I don't think it needs to be very formal, but it would be important to give some structure to it so folks know what they are getting into, how to make sure everyone meets their goals, and measure the effectiveness of the program in terms of meeting code4lib goals (such as increasing diversity, getting more volunteer help, etc.). We can start a wikipage to start to flesh this out, unless folks would like to use a different forum. In addition to the RailsBridge workshop, I was thinking that Code4Lib community projects would be a great way to both learn and recruit future volunteers. I was also trying to find the list of maintenance projects wiki page that someone (Jonathan?) was referring to as being top priorities for Code4Lib. Is this it? http://wiki.code4lib.org/**index.php/AdminToDo http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/AdminToDo Thoughts? -Shaun On 12/5/12 3:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: So rather than focusing on statistics and math, I'd like to steer the conversation in a different direction. Let's say Ross is right and more women chose to take the survey based on the topic -- maybe that's a way to get women involved in Code4Lib. Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can be a place to start. Or maybe we have a few women that are willing to step up and be a Code4Lib mentor to other women -- similar to what we do for the new member event at the conference. I'd even be willing to step up and organize that if people like the idea. Thoughts? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz ** wrote: On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote: I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses…. That idea runs into problems both with non-western names (there is more than one kind of diversity) and those people whose experience of gender in
Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Program
On 12/6/12 2:14 PM, Jessica Wood wrote: Side note (also selfish): I hope that at least parts of this idea will be available to people not attending the conference. I'd love to go to a future conference, but I'm not making it to this one. Jessica, I think that the term is enlightened self interest :-). One thing I'm interested in is train the trainer capabilities. I have a course that I give that I would like to make available as modules that anyone can use. Mine happens to be on linked data, but there are a number of (infinite number of?) other topics. I've been pressured to turn my course into an online class but I think there is great value in f2f teaching, as well as having learners work in groups rather than remotely/individually. It would be great to have a set of courses that any knowledgeable person could take up and teach to local folks, or as pre-conference tutorials. As soon as I have enough content about my course online, I'll be asking folks for comments, and see if we can set up a train-the-trainer session. It's probably too late for this upcoming c4l, but I will be looking for other opportunities. kc On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Andromeda Yelton andromeda.yel...@gmail.com wrote: In terms of structure, drupalladder.org and Dreamwidth ( http://wiki.dwscoalition.org/notes/Dev_Getting_Started ) are good models for how to scaffold the process for new developers, and to help new community members regardless of skill level find places they can contribute and understand the socially accepted workflow. --ay On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Shaun, I was actually thinking about some of this this morning, so I'm happy to see there is someone else out there thinking about the same things. I like the idea of some type of structure to a program, I wonder if maybe we could combine Karen's idea of training with a mentorship program. I also like your idea of projects being a way to recruit future volunteers, both because it helps us know where to go to find people, but also because it would help newbies figure out what's out there in the Code4Lib world (it took me forever to realize that the website was something i needed a password to in order to vote). If you already started a wiki page point me to it, I'm happy to start fleshing out ideas! Rosalyn On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote: Hi Rosalyn, I agree that we should encourage women to step up and mentor other women at Code4Lib. I also see the pairing of women mentors with women mentees as fitting into an overall mentorship program, and I would be interested in collaborating with you and others to help frame it out. I don't think it needs to be very formal, but it would be important to give some structure to it so folks know what they are getting into, how to make sure everyone meets their goals, and measure the effectiveness of the program in terms of meeting code4lib goals (such as increasing diversity, getting more volunteer help, etc.). We can start a wikipage to start to flesh this out, unless folks would like to use a different forum. In addition to the RailsBridge workshop, I was thinking that Code4Lib community projects would be a great way to both learn and recruit future volunteers. I was also trying to find the list of maintenance projects wiki page that someone (Jonathan?) was referring to as being top priorities for Code4Lib. Is this it? http://wiki.code4lib.org/**index.php/AdminToDo http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/AdminToDo Thoughts? -Shaun On 12/5/12 3:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: So rather than focusing on statistics and math, I'd like to steer the conversation in a different direction. Let's say Ross is right and more women chose to take the survey based on the topic -- maybe that's a way to get women involved in Code4Lib. Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can be a place to start. Or maybe we have a few women that are willing to step up and be a Code4Lib mentor to other women -- similar to what we do for the new member event at the conference. I'd even be willing to step up and organize that if people like the idea. Thoughts? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz ** wrote: On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote: I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses…. That idea runs into problems both with non-western names (there is more than one kind of diversity) and those people whose experience of gender in the workplace have led them to use non-gender-specific identifiers. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/ http://www.victoria.ac.nz/**library/
