[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16922217#comment-16922217 ] Geertjan Wielenga commented on NETBEANS-3039: - It’s not a question of the JDK being too old. Just that different JDKs have different behavior, different features, different bug fixes. For what you’re doing, JDK 12 works better than JDK 8. > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, OpenJDK 8, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16922195#comment-16922195 ] Christian Naitsirch commented on NETBEANS-3039: --- Yes, I'll close this issue. Although it would be nice if Netbeans could warn the user, when a JDK is used that is too old (or unsupported). This would make users happy and would prevent these kind of issues from being added to the bug tracker ;) > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, OpenJDK 8, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16921502#comment-16921502 ] Geertjan Wielenga commented on NETBEANS-3039: - You're using the smaller distro in 8.2, which comes bundled with the JRE. Apache NetBeans is the full IDE and runs on the JDK, not the JRE. Anyway, now that you have things working again, maybe you can close the issue. > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16921492#comment-16921492 ] Christian Naitsirch commented on NETBEANS-3039: --- I think I found the reason why I got these problems. Netbeans 8.2 used the JRE that was shipped with it. `$ applications/netbeans-8.2/bin/jre/bin/java -v` prints ??java version "1.8.0_101"?? ??Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_101-b13)?? ??Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.101-b13, mixed mode)?? Apache Netbeans seems to use the system's default JDK/JRE which is OpenJDK 8 on my Debian system per default. Now after changing the netbeans_jdkhome to Oracle's JDK 12 I do not have those issues when editing YAML files. I wonder if the problem would also occur with a newer version of OpenJDK or is Oracle's JDK required? > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16921021#comment-16921021 ] Christian Naitsirch commented on NETBEANS-3039: --- Okay. Maybe I'll find the time to setup a Netbeans dev env. to Debug Netbeans itself. If I'll find out anything I'll report it here, of course. Thank you anyways! > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16921001#comment-16921001 ] Geertjan Wielenga commented on NETBEANS-3039: - Use a text editor specifically for those files or write about your scenario to the mailing lists (see netbeans.apache.org) to see if others can reproduce it -- most people on the mailing lists are not following issues here. > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16920657#comment-16920657 ] Christian Naitsirch commented on NETBEANS-3039: --- There is no special action to reproduce it on my machine. I have created a screen video, too. You find it here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqr1OA32Afg] I just create a new project, insert the file contents and it starts lagging. I hope you can see it in the video. In existing projects it is the same. It happens as soon as I open the file and make a change. > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16919489#comment-16919489 ] Geertjan Wielenga commented on NETBEANS-3039: - Here it is, no sound, just video: https://youtu.be/XOC5-mu__J0 If this is not what needs to be done to reproduce it, then what should be done instead? > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16919457#comment-16919457 ] Geertjan Wielenga commented on NETBEANS-3039: - Attaching an MP4 now, please look at it and say if this is what should be done to reproduce the problem. > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16919453#comment-16919453 ] Geertjan Wielenga commented on NETBEANS-3039: - What exactly is slow? Can you write steps like the below so that we can reproduce the problem: 1. Do... 2. Do... 3. Now, when you do... you can see that... > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16919240#comment-16919240 ] Christian Naitsirch commented on NETBEANS-3039: --- No it happen with every YAML file that is a little bit larger. I have created such a self profile and uploaded the files as "profile.zip". I hope it contains all needed data. > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: profile.zip, services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16918567#comment-16918567 ] Geertjan Wielenga commented on NETBEANS-3039: - The problem is only in that specific file? I’m not able to reproduce it. Maybe you can self profile using the buttons to the far right of the toolbar and upload the snapshot here. > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16918329#comment-16918329 ] Christian Naitsirch commented on NETBEANS-3039: --- I have created a new PHP project, added a new yml file and pasted the content into that file. After that any change in the file causes some lagging. Is there a way to collect some internal data that would help find the reason for this behaviour? I'd be happy to provide that. > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
[jira] [Commented] (NETBEANS-3039) Extreme slow down on large YAML files
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16917644#comment-16917644 ] Geertjan Wielenga commented on NETBEANS-3039: - No problem at all scrolling up and down through your services.yml file. Please provide exactly what needs to be done with the file to see the problem. It's 394 lines, not very large. > Extreme slow down on large YAML files > - > > Key: NETBEANS-3039 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3039 > Project: NetBeans > Issue Type: Bug >Affects Versions: 10.0, 11.0, 11.1 > Environment: Netbeans 11.1, GNU/Debian Stretch, KDE >Reporter: Christian Naitsirch >Priority: Major > Labels: performance, yaml > Attachments: services.yml > > > When I work with Symfony web application (PHP framework) I usually have to > edit larger YAML files. In the last releases Netbeans really slows down when > editing those files. After some small changes in the file the loading > indicator is displayed and everything gets extremely slow. > This is why I still have to use Netbeans 8.2 which lacks some nice features > (e.g. conditional breakpoints in PHP Debugger). > I'll attach an example YAML file which makes my IDE unresponsive. I hope you > can reproduce this issue. > Other file types like large PHP files are not affected. > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.2#803003) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: commits-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: commits-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
