Re: Forking is a Feature reactions?
Everyone else gets a working copy and is expected to create a patch (or patches) and then work to convince a committer to apply them. That's not the Apache model, fwiw. Collaboration means you work as equals, committer status or not. Hm? Reality check? Usually patches only get applied if committers think they are good enough and worthy to apply. Not every patch gets applied no matter what. A distributed version control system is a measure toward eliminating that have/have not distinction; it reduces the barrier to contribution. No it doesn't. I could create the longest thread on this list by saying Yes, it does! ...but maybe let's say - that's what people call a difference in opinion ;) cheers -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Forking is a Feature reactions?
Usually patches only get applied if committers think they are good enough and worthy to apply. Not every patch gets applied no matter what. And how is that dependent on the version control tool? See, it isn't. It's a function of the community's value system. In his repository he can just commit. Whether that gets merged to the official repository is a different question. And only for *that* it is the same value system. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Forking is a Feature reactions?
To try to put my finger on the key distinction I've seen, a centralized workflow puts demands on people to make promises up front. Not necessarily. Enough people start playing with something. Just to see if it works. All that happens on their local system though. I have never seen a project where everyone is having his/her own svn branch just committing away all experiments. IOW before you start that work on a snazzy new feature, you have to explain to people what you're doing and why, and to set expectations for the final outcome. That's because they will be exposed to your work whether they like it or not, because it all gets thrown onto the commit list. Only if you actually have the right to commit. Which is exactly one of the points mentioned before. In a decentralized workflow you don't need to do that, in fact you can keep your branch entirely to yourself and only reveal the work once it's completed. Just like the uncommitted changes in your local svn repo ...especially if you are not a committer. ...but could we maybe just end this thread? At least I don't see anything useful coming out of this. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: [Blogs] planetapache ...
Hm I was about to write the same as Noirin but I have only been reading planetapache via newsreader which makes skipping such posts much easier :) Going onto the site I tend to agree with you though. There is a limit ..and this is way beyond :) Carlos, ever considered using flickr and show only your best shots in your blog? That would give us best of both worlds. Your pictures and a reasonable planetapache site :) cheers -- Torsten On Sep 22, 2008, at 18:05, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: eh... I appreciate some pics as well... but I am not really interested in watch 100 cars... ;-) Perhaps it is just the fact that my current wifi connection sucks... -M On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Nóirín Shirley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it great when people post pictures in their blog (from their holidays, or related to the post, or just to show us some of the beauty in the world?) I really like seeing these pictures, and I like that the Apache community is more diverse than just code and licenses. If somebody is really bothered by them, (s)he could easily collect the feeds of only the project blogs, and ignore the community stuff... Or is it just me, that likes the fact that we're a community of people, and not just automatons? Noirin On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, isn't it annoying that some post tons of pictures in their blog (about cars, castles and what not ?). Is there a chance to not include those pictures on http://planetapache.org/ ? If somebody is really interested in the real blog, decorated with tons of pictures, (s)he could easily click on the reference link... Or is it just me, that thinks this is sometimes a bit annoying. Thx, Matthias -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blogs] planetapache ...
Would be sad if you take away all of the personal posts though :) On Sep 22, 2008, at 21:15, Carlos Sanchez wrote: sorry about that, I forgot about planet apache I need to find a way to filter the personal category in the rss, so far I could just make an rss for a category, but multiple categories per post are not allowed Anyway, sorry for the noise On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Torsten Curdt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm I was about to write the same as Noirin but I have only been reading planetapache via newsreader which makes skipping such posts much easier :) Going onto the site I tend to agree with you though. There is a limit ..and this is way beyond :) Carlos, ever considered using flickr and show only your best shots in your blog? That would give us best of both worlds. Your pictures and a reasonable planetapache site :) cheers -- Torsten On Sep 22, 2008, at 18:05, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: eh... I appreciate some pics as well... but I am not really interested in watch 100 cars... ;-) Perhaps it is just the fact that my current wifi connection sucks... -M On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Nóirín Shirley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it great when people post pictures in their blog (from their holidays, or related to the post, or just to show us some of the beauty in the world?) I really like seeing these pictures, and I like that the Apache community is more diverse than just code and licenses. If somebody is really bothered by them, (s)he could easily collect the feeds of only the project blogs, and ignore the community stuff... Or is it just me, that likes the fact that we're a community of people, and not just automatons? Noirin On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, isn't it annoying that some post tons of pictures in their blog (about cars, castles and what not ?). Is there a chance to not include those pictures on http://planetapache.org/ ? If somebody is really interested in the real blog, decorated with tons of pictures, (s)he could easily click on the reference link... Or is it just me, that thinks this is sometimes a bit annoying. Thx, Matthias -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[apachecon] sharing a hotel room
Anyone willing to a share a room at the Sheraton? 9.12. - 14.12. cheers -- Torsten PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
software patents demo
Should we go for that one? http://swpat.ffii.org/group/demo/ cheers -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Farewell to Martin Pöschl
I think it would be most appropriate for the ASF to send some sort of condolences to the Pöschl family (eg: flowers). I agree. Wow, quite a shock ...I met him only once IRL but wow! Flowers would be a really good idea! +1 -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
If I were to send a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED], it should only originate from one machine - the one this one comes from - or am I really Justin at all? Muwhahaha. But, to expect us to tunnel all @apache.org originating email only from minotaur (accessible via SSH port forwarding or local origination) isn't realistic, IMHO. -- justin Forget SSH. Use TLS and SMTP AUTH. Proven, tried and true 90ies technology that works like a charm. ;-) big +1 ...but AFAIU this is not yet in place for the ASF. Or did I miss something? -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [off-topic-just for fun] - Maps and zoom-in
snip/ Well, my position a couple of miles off the right spot. The coordinates are supposed to be in fractions of a degree, *not* degrees minutes seconds. Also, the georeference could spoil the fine tuning. I can't remember the name (WGS, I think) fine tuning? 1 minute is 1 nautical mile, so 1/60 instead of 1/100 could get you there. Hm.. I used to know... My position is 51'3159 9'5611 and my icbm coordinate is currently 51.53306;9.993644 So applying this X degrees, Y minutes, and Z seconds, the decimal equivalent is X + Y/60 + Z/3600 I get 51 + 31/60 + 59/3600, 9 + 56/60 + 11/3600 51.53306, 9.93639 ...wondering what I did wrong the last time ;) Using http://demo.asemantics.com/zoom.pl I found myself at (BTW: shoudn't LAT / LONG be switched?) 51.53316000,9.93585304 I updated my icbm page. Curious to see where it gets me :) -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
build systems vs. license issues [Re: Hashing it out ...]
*BUT* programming java in this way is *FOOLISH*. Reflection was created to load classes programmatically at runtime, it was not created as a way to route around legal problems. Indeed!! Definitly, +1000 Regarding all the licensing issues... Actually I think we could make our lifes much easier by having better build systems! So we would only have the Apache code in out repositories and let the build system get the external dependencies for us. AFAIK this should save us from legal troubles. The distributions would become much smaller (less load and traffic for the Apache web sites) and it's the ideal sollution when you don't need and or want some optional components. ..the only drawback is that the distributions are not self-contained and not compile-able out-of-the-box. I mean I hate it when I have to collect all the libraries to build a specific project - but hey: if the build system does that for me I am fine :) I would even have the benefit to (de)select optional packages!! ...it's so ridiculous that even mock classes have to have the same license as the full implementation. (Someone really really sure about this?) my 2 cents -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: build systems vs. license issues [Re: Hashing it out ...]
Actually I think we could make our lifes much easier by having better build systems! So we would only have the Apache code in out repositories and let the build system get the external dependencies for us. AFAIK this should save us from legal troubles. No, not necessarely. The problem with LGPL is that it doesn't define (in java) where the library stops and where your program starts. Having it downloaded from another machine, doesn't change that at all. Hm... but the question is: if something relies on something terms of *uses* it's API does this make it a problem? I mean that would be really like a viral infection! You couldn't even connect to software that is under (L)GPL. (What about protocols?) Is it really like that? I mean: how does it work for the PHP guys with all the modules and libraries then? snip/ For those who don't know what a moch class is (sorry Torsten, but don't forget you are talking to a language-neutral community here), several yeah - sorry :) java projects that depend on many different libraries (potentially optional) created what we call moch classes instead of placing the libraries in CVS A moch class is a skeleton class. OTIs it moch or mock? I thought it was mock - anyway/OT Cocoon developers suggested that we could use moch classes to get around LGPL problems, but I voted against that approach because a moch class *IS* a derivative work of that library (even if a very dumb derivative work), thus we cannot license the moch class under the apache license and we are back on the LGPL problem, even if it covers just that thin moch code. There is no official statement around the use of moch classes, just my negative vote and Torsten is asking for more official statements on this. Hey, it's not I don't trust you ;-) ...but IMHO it's so absurd that they have to be the same license that I think it would be good have this checked by laywer or something like that... -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Open this list
Sorry, I don't get this no, please not another list We will have the traffic and the posts to read anyway - no matter if we open the current or create a new public list. Or did I miss here something? -- Torsten No, please no if you want to change this to a proposal that we create a *new* opt-in list with no restrictions on subscription, i think that is a different matter. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where we are.. continued..
There seems to be a bug in one of the scripts. Starting with tcurdt, the href's and titles in the area tags are out of sync. I also noticed... how to do you mean starting with? I am currently the latest one who added himself to the list. I assume I am also the last Which page/image are we talking about, and in wich browser ? http://cvs.apache.org/~sgala/map.html in all browsers;) also: the acme.com stuff is US only :( anyone knowing something similar for europe? Nothing there yet - but very Soon :-) I hope. would be cool :) -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
