RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-10-04 Thread Stephen McConnell


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 From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 04 October 2004 01:28
 To: community@apache.org
 Subject: RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
 
 David Crossley wrote:
  on what list can all committers discuss issues
  without fear of spilling the beans about something
  that is not yet decided by ASF?
 
 None that I know of.  There is no private discussion list for
committers,
 unlike [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My understanding differs.

The community@apache.org mailing list is used by the participants in the
Apache Software Foundation to discuss general topics of interest to the
foundation. Participation in this list is only available to committers
of the Apache Software Foundation. [1]

Stephen.

[1]
http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community



 
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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-10-04 Thread Sander Temme
On Oct 3, 2004, at 5:24 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote:
None that I know of.  There is no private discussion list for
committers,
unlike [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The community@apache.org mailing list is used by the participants in  
the
Apache Software Foundation to discuss general topics of interest to the
foundation. Participation in this list is only available to committers
of the Apache Software Foundation. [1]
That's true, but the list messages are publicly archived, for instance
http://issues.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg? 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]msgNo=3686

There is no public archive for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither is there one  
for [EMAIL PROTECTED], but that is used mostly for announcements  
that impact all committers.

S.
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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-10-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
David Crossley wrote:
 on what list can all committers discuss issues
 without fear of spilling the beans about something
 that is not yet decided by ASF?

None that I know of.  There is no private discussion list for committers,
unlike [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--- Noel


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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-29 Thread David Crossley
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 Dave Brondsema wrote:
  Where are the sources for the mail script and dev/ files?
  Should I send patches to the infrastructure issue tracker?
 
 dev/ is in the site module, which should be available for anonymous
 checkout.  It is also visible via viewcvs.

 The script is in the infrastructure area of SVN, and I don't believe that it
 is visible via viewcvs, although I just don't have time to look right now.
 
  Are there any guidelines about what is too private to put
  on the web at dev/?  E.g., listing the committer-only mailing
  lists.
 
 You mean the ones just enumerated here on a publicly archived list?  ;-)

;-) oops.

So on what list can all committers discuss issues
without fear of spilling the beans about something
that is not yet decided by ASF?

 I'm not sure if there is anything that shouldn't be listed.  At worst, it
 would be a nuisance for moderators.  We shouldn't be doing security by
 obscurity, right?  But perhaps there are some items that just aren't coming
 to mind.  See what others have to say.

This privacy issue concerned me too. That is why i started
the list at cvs://committers/docs/resources.txt and referred
to it at dev/committers.html

My approach was to get as much as possible on the /dev/ pages.
However, i wasn't sure about letting the general public know
about the existence of the internal lists.

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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-29 Thread Santiago Gala
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J.Pietschmann wrote:
| Santiago Gala wrote:
|
| I plan to update it as soon as I find a way to make xplanet generate
| coordinates for an imagemap, so that it can be indexed by robot,
| scraped, etc.
|
|
| The -markerbounds filename option should write box coordinates
| to a file, according to the readme. Never tried it myself though.
|
It is the -markerfile file option what disappeared between versions.
This is where the markers will
be stored. the code is at cvs:committers/krell But I'm finding more
promising the WMS approach from Dirk-Willem than my hack.
Regards
Santiago
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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Santiago Gala
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Carlos Sanchez wrote:
|Hi,
|
|Yes I am, I didn't see it in the full map. I suppose
|http://www.apache.org/~sgala/nightmap.html won't be updated anymore.
I plan to update it as soon as I find a way to make xplanet generate
coordinates for an imagemap, so that it can be indexed by robot,
scraped, etc.
I was trying to have it running just before or during the hack-a-thon.
In fact, it was one of my projects for this time. Anybody who wants to
figure how to make modern versions of xplanet spit a set of
coordinates for markers are welcome to help. It became much more
difficult in a version upgrade.
xplanet has the virtue of changing the command lines parameters and
configuration even in minor version upgrades :-)
Additional features planned was that the bulb would be brighter if the
owner had posted in the feed(s) in the page where the coordinates are.
|Any way to get the map at http://wms.asemantics.com with links?
|
I'll try. I'm currently mostly without contracts, looking actively for
(paid) work, and have little time for interesting things :-)
Regards
~Santiago
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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Santiago Gala
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Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
|
|On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Carlos Sanchez wrote:
|
|I think the most interesting fact is link the map dots with each
person web
|page, so you can have an idea of what people are closer to you and
improve
|community relationship.
|
|
|If you take those URL's and change the image format to RDF or to CSV of
|CVSPLAIN (comma separated value) you can get the data out to get yourself
|an image map which can be put directly into the HTML (i.e. with an shtml
|or something or a crontab) rather than getting a GIF image.
|
Great! all the pieces are there :-)
http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotionsVERSION=1.1.0layers=rawworld,rawday,comlocwidth=600height=300request=getMapformat=pngbbox=-180,-90,180,90
plus
http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotionsVERSION=1.1.0layers=rawworld,rawday,comlocwidth=600height=300request=getMapformat=csvbbox=-180,-90,180,90
and we can make zoomed areas like
http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotionsVERSION=1.1.0ylayers=rawworld,rawday,comlocwidth=600height=400request=getMapformat=pngbbox=5,35,-15,45
with
http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotionsVERSION=1.1.0ylayers=rawworld,rawday,comlocwidth=600height=400request=getMapformat=csvbbox=5,35,-15,45
which shows my neighborhood (except for Daniel, which has not put
himself in the page)
Happy hacking to whoever beats me to script it :-)
Santiago
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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Felipe Leme
On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 13:35, Sander Temme wrote:

 That might get some additional people on the map. Would it be a good 
 idea to have the world map feature prominently on the apache.org site? 
 That would illustrate the fact that we're a global community and be 
 good PR.

+1 too...


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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik

Had some time between flights:

http://apache-globe.asemantics.org/

Do a 'view source' to get the 'trick' so to speak. I'd love suggestions as
to hwo you can make the committer name etc appear. Right nwo I am linking
in the URLs. If you need anything more - let me know. Or I am happy to
move this to ASF hardware and/or have a diffrent URL mapped onto it. It
-does- however require a not entirely trivial infrastructure for the geo
correction, cloudmaps etc.

Dw

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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Dave Brondsema wrote:
 
 I know from experience that it took a while for me to become aware of 
 the existence of so many semi-private lists/resources.  E.g., 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], committers module, 
 planetapache.org, etc.
 
 I think it would be good to announce these again.  Perhaps an automatic 
 welcome new committer email would be best to bring awareness of these 
 things to future new committers without bothering old committers.

*i* think it would be good to include something about them in the
'here's your committer account' message from the infrastructure.
and maybe a bi-monthly reminder to committers@ pointing to a page
where the info is available, particularly if it has changed recently.
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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Santiago Gala
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
Had some time between flights:
 http://apache-globe.asemantics.org/
Do a 'view source' to get the 'trick' so to speak. I'd love suggestions as
to hwo you can make the committer name etc appear. Right nwo I am linking
in the URLs. If you need anything more - let me know. Or I am happy to
move this to ASF hardware and/or have a diffrent URL mapped onto it. It
-does- however require a not entirely trivial infrastructure for the geo
correction, cloudmaps etc.
adding a title=plainName attribute to the area should do
I imagine that if areas are defined additionally (like Europe, East
Coast, etc.) the browser would do the right thing (TM) and allow us
to click straight into sparse people or get a zoomed area clicking in
the outside. Those areas would carry a title=Zoom to Europe, etc.
But I never tested it.
I think a RDF/FOAF file with all the information would be easier to
script, and more general than the current one (in particular to allow
lists or active people (commits, blogs, etc.). (Or learning myself WMS)
That looks again an interesting hack-a-thon project.
Regards
Santiago
Dw
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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:

 *i* think it would be good to include something about
 [committer resources such as lists] in the 'here's your
 committer account' message from the infrastructure.

Sent by a script.  Patches welcomed.

 maybe a bi-monthly reminder to committers@ pointing to a
 page where the info is available

Contributions to dev/ in anakia format welcomed.  :-)  Not much point in
creating a jobs@ list if no one knows about it.  :-)

--- Noel


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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread brondsem
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

 Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:

  *i* think it would be good to include something about
  [committer resources such as lists] in the 'here's your
  committer account' message from the infrastructure.

 Sent by a script.  Patches welcomed.

  maybe a bi-monthly reminder to committers@ pointing to a
  page where the info is available

 Contributions to dev/ in anakia format welcomed.  :-)  Not much point in
 creating a jobs@ list if no one knows about it.  :-)

   --- Noel


Where are the sources for the mail script and dev/ files?  Should I send
patches to the infrastructure issue tracker?

Are there any guidelines about what is too private to put on the web at
dev/?  E.g., listing the committer-only mailing lists.

-- 
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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
 Where are the sources for the mail script and dev/ files?
 Should I send patches to the infrastructure issue tracker?

dev/ is in the site module, which should be available for anonymous
checkout.  It is also visible via viewcvs.

The script is in the infrastructure area of SVN, and I don't believe that it
is visible via viewcvs, although I just don't have time to look right now.

 Are there any guidelines about what is too private to put
 on the web at dev/?  E.g., listing the committer-only mailing
 lists.

You mean the ones just enumerated here on a publicly archived list?  ;-)
I'm not sure if there is anything that shouldn't be listed.  At worst, it
would be a nuisance for moderators.  We shouldn't be doing security by
obscurity, right?  But perhaps there are some items that just aren't coming
to mind.  See what others have to say.

--- Noel


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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread J.Pietschmann
Santiago Gala wrote:
I plan to update it as soon as I find a way to make xplanet generate
coordinates for an imagemap, so that it can be indexed by robot,
scraped, etc.
The -markerbounds filename option should write box coordinates
to a file, according to the readme. Never tried it myself though.
J.Pietschmann
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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik


On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:

 --- Apache Community Worldwide --- However, unfortunately
 it appears that this map has not been updated since
 the end of July, 2003.

Actually - not quite true. The MAP updates; (or at least it should) the
HTML does not. Note that it is only regenerated 2 times an hour for the
shadows and clouds - once every 3 hours for committer locations and once a
day for the list of committer URLs.

Note that recently we also added:


http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotionsVERSION=1.1.0layers=rawworld,rawday,comlocwidth=600height=300request=getMapformat=pngbbox=-180,-90,180,90

which gives you a near real time cloudmask. And yes - you can see the
huricanes quite clearly - with a few of the commiter loc's awfully close !

Dw.

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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Carlos Sanchez wrote:

 I'm afraid the commiter locations are not updated, at least I don't see mine

This is not you ?


http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotionsVERSION=1.1.0ylayers=rawworld,comlocwidth=600height=300request=getMapformat=pngbbox=0,40,-15,45

Dw.

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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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i think the point that's missing is how do new committers (or old
ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?
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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Carlos Sanchez
Hi,

These are the step by step instructions:
- Checkout the committers CVS module.
- Read /committers/krell/README and /committers/krell/FAQ
- Add your url to /committers/urls.txt

An excerpt from the FAQ:
Q1: I want to get on the map!
A1: Do this:
1. Get a web page you can edit (public/private your choice).
2. Put your lat/long on that page (probably in the header)
   like so:
 meta name=ICBM content=42.42,-71.16/
3. Add the url of that page to ../urls.txt
4. Wait till somebody in the know regenerates the map, or
   figure out how to get into the know.

Regards

Carlos Sanchez
A Coruña, Spain
http://www.jroller.com/page/carlossg/Weblog

Oness Project
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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Sander Temme wrote:

 On Sep 27, 2004, at 3:58 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
 
 i think the point that's missing is how do new committers (or old
 ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?

 Smart point. Well, what would you say to using [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 address (list)?
 
 You can't just do that without the committer's consent. They'd have to 
 supply their coordinates somewhere and not everyone may want to divulge 
 where they are located.

i *think* tetsuya meant, 'how about sending mail to the committers@ list
letting them know about the map and how to get on it?'  rather than
'let's use information we have about committers to just plop them on
the map.'

:-)
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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Sander Temme
On Sep 27, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
You can't just do that without the committer's consent. They'd have to
supply their coordinates somewhere and not everyone may want to 
divulge
where they are located.
i *think* tetsuya meant, 'how about sending mail to the committers@ 
list
letting them know about the map and how to get on it?'  rather than
'let's use information we have about committers to just plop them on
the map.'
That might get some additional people on the map. Would it be a good 
idea to have the world map feature prominently on the apache.org site? 
That would illustrate the fact that we're a global community and be 
good PR.

S.
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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Carlos Sanchez
I think the most interesting fact is link the map dots with each person web
page, so you can have an idea of what people are closer to you and improve
community relationship.

 -Original Message-
 From: Sander Temme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:36 PM
 To: community@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
 
 
 On Sep 27, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
 
  You can't just do that without the committer's consent. 
 They'd have 
  to supply their coordinates somewhere and not everyone may want to 
  divulge where they are located.
 
  i *think* tetsuya meant, 'how about sending mail to the committers@ 
  list letting them know about the map and how to get on it?'  rather 
  than 'let's use information we have about committers to 
 just plop them 
  on the map.'
 
 That might get some additional people on the map. Would it be 
 a good idea to have the world map feature prominently on the 
 apache.org site? 
 That would illustrate the fact that we're a global community 
 and be good PR.
 
 S.
 
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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik


On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Carlos Sanchez wrote:

 I think the most interesting fact is link the map dots with each person web
 page, so you can have an idea of what people are closer to you and improve
 community relationship.

If you take those URL's and change the image format to RDF or to CSV of
CVSPLAIN (comma separated value) you can get the data out to get yourself
an image map which can be put directly into the HTML (i.e. with an shtml
or something or a crontab) rather than getting a GIF image.

DW

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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Sander Temme wrote:
 
 That might get some additional people on the map. Would it be a good 
 idea to have the world map feature prominently on the apache.org site? 
 That would illustrate the fact that we're a global community and be 
 good PR.

+1
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RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sander Temme wrote:
 You can't just do that without the committer's consent.
 I consciously avoid putting the coordinates of my house
 in the ICBM.

Same here.  IIRC, I put in the approximate geographic center of the
municipality.

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Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-27 Thread Dave Brondsema
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
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Subject: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

i think the point that's missing is how do new committers (or old
ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?

Smart point. Well, what would you say to using [EMAIL PROTECTED]
address (list)?
I am afraid that some new committers (and old ones who have not
been guided properly) would not know the existence of committers
module ... etc. etc. The matter is worse, there are many who do not
know this list! This is a chance to evangelize them. :)
I will do the volunteer of notification if needed (and if
there's no one else to volunteer)
P.S. ICBM howto is in committers/krell/FAQ .. IIRC.
I know from experience that it took a while for me to become aware of 
the existence of so many semi-private lists/resources.  E.g., 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], committers module, 
planetapache.org, etc.

I think it would be good to announce these again.  Perhaps an automatic 
welcome new committer email would be best to bring awareness of these 
things to future new committers without bothering old committers.

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