Re: Wiki Editing Guidelines
Harald Welte skrev: This is really important not to confuse users. Imagine somebody googling for GSM Phone and Wifi and he ends up in our wiki on a page that describes what wonderful things you can do with wifi on an [not explicitly marked as imaginary] OpenEZX phone. Now that person buys a device, to only then find out that this is some wishlist/dream of somebody. It's even more complicated... OpenMoko being a distribution. An idea may or may not be implemented in the distribution. May demand some hardware features of the device. Finally, different devices that physically have those features may or may not have these feature supported in the distribution. Marking things wishlist is a start, but listing needed hardware features is nest step, and when it matures and start being implemented, listing supported devices may be a good idea. But maybe a list of OpenMoke supported devices and what features are supported for those devices can replace a list of supported device for each application/idea. /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
Hello. On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 10:58, Fabian Off wrote: http://www.digital-living-magazin.de/index.php?pid=17art=2050cid=DLnewsletter Interesting article about OpenMoko and FIC (inclunding more phones than only the Neo1973). How do you think that the other phones are the one from FIC? The artcile also mentions three devices from e28 Limited. I'm pretty sure that the three other phones are from this company. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
Hello. On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 12:45, Stefan Schmidt wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 10:58, Fabian Off wrote: http://www.digital-living-magazin.de/index.php?pid=17art=2050cid=DLnewsletter Interesting article about OpenMoko and FIC (inclunding more phones than only the Neo1973). How do you think that the other phones are the one from FIC? The artcile also mentions three devices from e28 Limited. I'm pretty sure that the three other phones are from this company. UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28 http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:06:25 Stefan Schmidt wrote: http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm The e2881 would be a perfect match for me if it could be made to run openmoko... It sounds almost unbelievably small (12.5mm thick...) Has anyone ever seen any e28 phones in the wild? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
Stefan Schmidt writes: UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28 http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm Wow. The E2862 is really, really beautiful. The web page for that product doesn't mention openmoko; I don't read German, so does the original article say it does? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
Hello. On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 05:53, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Stefan Schmidt writes: UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28 http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm Wow. The E2862 is really, really beautiful. The web page for that product doesn't mention openmoko; I don't read German, so does the original article say it does? No OpenMoko on the E28 phones. The artciles was about two different linux phone manufactures. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forums Page?
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 14:19 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Usenet was (well, is, but it has been dying for a long time) at 3.2Tb of data a day it's far from dead. The bad part was that the flood fill mechanism means every site in the network has to carry *all* traffic even if no one locally is reading a particular topic. ... ish. A usenet server could decide on a group by group or heirarchy by heirarchy basis what it wanted to take in a feed. Usenet admins were encouraged to take everything since that kept article propagation strongest. Someday I'd love to create a next generation Usenet that fixed all this -- I would distribute only newsgroup announcements rather than the newsgroups themselves, make the topic namespace subdivided by domain names to eliminate the global namepsace problem, and use a bit-torrent like centrally tracked but peer to peer distributed transfer method to eliminate the need for giant news spools. However, realistically, I'll never have the month to do the work. There is a project there for sure. Usenet isn't broken - it just didn't scale well. Keeping up with that volume of data now has to be done by dedicated companies. I remember when I ran an ISP I siphoned off an almost full newsfeed to my home machine. Something that isn't really possible anymore :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
They just specify that it runs GNU/Linux. No mention of OpenMoko, since it's a different company then FIC, it doesn't surprise me. OTOH, they are quad band phones with WLAN and VOIP. The 2862 also has GPS. And yes, I like the design also :-) Greetings, Marc Verwerft On 2/21/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Schmidt writes: UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28 http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm Wow. The E2862 is really, really beautiful. The web page for that product doesn't mention openmoko; I don't read German, so does the original article say it does? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
Hello. On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 13:43, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:06:25 Stefan Schmidt wrote: http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm The e2881 would be a perfect match for me if it could be made to run openmoko... It sounds almost unbelievably small (12.5mm thick...) Has anyone ever seen any e28 phones in the wild? The more intersting question is where is the source? Anybody found it? When we have kernel source and a way to reflash the phone OpenMoko could be a possibility. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
Am 21.02.2007 um 13:43 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl: On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:06:25 Stefan Schmidt wrote: http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm The e2881 would be a perfect match for me if it could be made to run openmoko... It sounds almost unbelievably small (12.5mm thick...) Has anyone ever seen any e28 phones in the wild? The previous generation E2800 was available in Europe for some time (2005). I did resell some in my online-shop (http://www.handheld-linux.com/ wiki.php?page=E2800) but have not used it myself. The new ones have been announced in Barcelona for March 2007 and beyond. IMHO important to note: the e2881 has a QVGA (320x240) display. Nikolaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Schematics/PCB
Hi! I second the schematic request. But I doubt that they release them, the same happen with agenda. Anyway, if they doesn't release the schematics, and I get myself one of these phones, we would need to analize the pcb and try to get an idea on the design in order to modify it. It can be done, but it will take longer. I hope they release the schematic. c-ya! Ildefonso Camargo On 2/20/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd been assuming that the PCB and/or schematics for the Neo1973 had been made available along with the source code. Looking now, I realise that they haven't. I'm a hardware kind of person, and I've been looking forward to creating add-ons and modifications to my Neo1973 the second it arrives. Clearly the schematic at least is required for this to be as convenient as I've imagined an open-source project would be. A good example is adding things to the I2C bus. Searching the mailing lists and google I'm now feeling worried that I've misunderstood, and that the schematics/layouts won't be available. I'm hoping this isn't the case, perhaps they'll become available when the phone reaches phase 1, or with the hacker's lunchbox. Could someone tell me what's planned here? Justyn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Schematics/PCB
I certainly wouldn't expect them (FIC) to make the schematics/PCB free to use, which would enable people to legally copy FIC's investment. But what real advantage can there be to keeping them closed? I would at least like this explained to me. As far as I know, any company wishing to make illegal knockoffs can just X-ray the boards (to read the layers) and therefore reproduce the PCB and schematics. After all, they have an incentive to put the time in. But hobbyist hackers don't have this time. I would also like to be able to repair the phone when it inevitably becomes damaged (in a few years, say). It is very frustrating when repairing consumer electronics that you just can't find the necessary information anywhere, ie what the ICs are (topcodes are next to useless). Quite often just a power transistor or the like needs to be replaced, but it is incredibly time-consuming understanding the function of each part of the circuit when you can only see part of it. Justyn On 21/02/07, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I second the schematic request. But I doubt that they release them, the same happen with agenda. Anyway, if they doesn't release the schematics, and I get myself one of these phones, we would need to analize the pcb and try to get an idea on the design in order to modify it. It can be done, but it will take longer. I hope they release the schematic. c-ya! Ildefonso Camargo On 2/20/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd been assuming that the PCB and/or schematics for the Neo1973 had been made available along with the source code. Looking now, I realise that they haven't. I'm a hardware kind of person, and I've been looking forward to creating add-ons and modifications to my Neo1973 the second it arrives. Clearly the schematic at least is required for this to be as convenient as I've imagined an open-source project would be. A good example is adding things to the I2C bus. Searching the mailing lists and google I'm now feeling worried that I've misunderstood, and that the schematics/layouts won't be available. I'm hoping this isn't the case, perhaps they'll become available when the phone reaches phase 1, or with the hacker's lunchbox. Could someone tell me what's planned here? Justyn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Schematics/PCB
Hi! On 2/21/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly wouldn't expect them (FIC) to make the schematics/PCB free to use, which would enable people to legally copy FIC's investment. But what real advantage can there be to keeping them closed? I would at least like this explained to me. As far as I know, any company wishing to make illegal knockoffs can just X-ray the boards (to read the layers) and therefore reproduce the PCB and schematics. After all, they have an incentive to put the time in. But hobbyist hackers don't have this time. Yep, you are right, but as for hardware many people just don't like to release the schematics. But there is people who actually release them, like bitscope, and they actually have a business running from it. I would also like to be able to repair the phone when it inevitably becomes damaged (in a few years, say). It is very frustrating when repairing consumer electronics that you just can't find the necessary information anywhere, ie what the ICs are (topcodes are next to useless). Quite often just a power transistor or the like needs to be replaced, but it is incredibly time-consuming understanding the function of each part of the circuit when you can only see part of it. That's another reason to NOT release, some companies like to charge for repairing or for repairing manuales, and make it a part of their business, and thus don't like to release the info for free. Justyn Ildefonso. On 21/02/07, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I second the schematic request. But I doubt that they release them, the same happen with agenda. Anyway, if they doesn't release the schematics, and I get myself one of these phones, we would need to analize the pcb and try to get an idea on the design in order to modify it. It can be done, but it will take longer. I hope they release the schematic. c-ya! Ildefonso Camargo On 2/20/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd been assuming that the PCB and/or schematics for the Neo1973 had been made available along with the source code. Looking now, I realise that they haven't. I'm a hardware kind of person, and I've been looking forward to creating add-ons and modifications to my Neo1973 the second it arrives. Clearly the schematic at least is required for this to be as convenient as I've imagined an open-source project would be. A good example is adding things to the I2C bus. Searching the mailing lists and google I'm now feeling worried that I've misunderstood, and that the schematics/layouts won't be available. I'm hoping this isn't the case, perhaps they'll become available when the phone reaches phase 1, or with the hacker's lunchbox. Could someone tell me what's planned here? Justyn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Porting OpenMoko to other platforms
Hello. On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 12:39, Nathan Williams wrote: Does anyone have a list of active projects that will be porting OpenMoko to other hardware platforms? I currently own a phone and a Zaurus clamshell and would love replace them both with OpenMoko on the HTC Universal (known by many other names as well) or on the new i-Mate Ultimate 7150 that will be out shortly. It already runs on HTC universal and work on for HTC's with qvga display in ongoing. Work for the EZX phones is in progress. No idea about zaurus. How difficult is it to get OpenMoko running on other platforms? Is getting a Linux kernel up and running the hard part and the software would just need to be compiled for the platform/environment or is there more to it than this? New 2.6 kernel should be the hardest part. Compiling for your device needs perhaps some tweaking, but should be the easy part. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Porting OpenMoko to other platforms
* Stefan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070221 23:28]: Hello. On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 12:39, Nathan Williams wrote: Does anyone have a list of active projects that will be porting OpenMoko to other hardware platforms? I currently own a phone and a Zaurus clamshell and would love replace them both with OpenMoko on the HTC Universal (known by many other names as well) or on the new i-Mate Ultimate 7150 that will be out shortly. It already runs on HTC universal and work on for HTC's with qvga display in ongoing. How well does it run on the HTC universal? (aka, is it possible to take a phone call or initiate it without entering cmdline commands?) Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Porting OpenMoko to other platforms
Hello. On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 00:02, Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Stefan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070221 23:28]: It already runs on HTC universal and work on for HTC's with qvga display in ongoing. How well does it run on the HTC universal? (aka, is it possible to take a phone call or initiate it without entering cmdline commands?) As far as I know no. Best would be to ask HTC devs for it. goxboxlive (Sorry don't know his realname) and Philipp Zabel work on it. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Helios
The new Helio looks suspiciously oval... :-) Love the dual sliding keypad concept though. http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/helios-pantech-pn-810-qwerty-device-p ops-up-in-fcc Regards, Dean Collins www.Collins.net.pr/blog ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)
Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge registers us as a group. To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in charge? -- Forwarded message -- Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony Conference Discount Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres., organizer) of a group to register. Looks like some good benefits for groups to join. Paul -Original Message- Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel: Emerging Telephony Conference: Use code xxx when you register, and receive 40% off the registration price. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)
I've already registered, and paid, for this... =/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 2/21/2007 4:42 PM To: OpenMoko -- OpenMoko Subject: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd) Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge registers us as a group. To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in charge? -- Forwarded message -- Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony Conference Discount Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres., organizer) of a group to register. Looks like some good benefits for groups to join. Paul -Original Message- Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel: Emerging Telephony Conference: Use code xxx when you register, and receive 40% off the registration price. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)
Wish it could have been sooner, but I just heard about it today. Unless someone official wants to register the group, perhaps it will be left to the first person who intends to register but hasn't paid yet. M On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, David Schlesinger wrote: I've already registered, and paid, for this... =/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 2/21/2007 4:42 PM To: OpenMoko -- OpenMoko Subject: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd) Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge registers us as a group. To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in charge? -- Forwarded message -- Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony Conference Discount Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres., organizer) of a group to register. Looks like some good benefits for groups to join. Paul -Original Message- Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel: Emerging Telephony Conference: Use code xxx when you register, and receive 40% off the registration price. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)
For people that are going - if you want to check out a really good voip session go along and see Tim Panton talking about Mexuar Corraleta and Asterisk http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/etel2007/view/e_sess/11848 (for those that have no idea what I'm talking about www.asterisk.org http://www.asterisk.org/ www.Mexuar.com http://www.mexuar.com/ http://www.mexuar.com/downloads/Level1Products/CorraletaDemoSound.swf ) :-) little bit self serving but hey it's going to be a huge event. Regards, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Schlesinger Sent: Wednesday, 21 February 2007 7:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; OpenMoko -- OpenMoko Subject: RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd) I've already registered, and paid, for this... =/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 2/21/2007 4:42 PM To: OpenMoko -- OpenMoko Subject: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd) Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge registers us as a group. To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in charge? -- Forwarded message -- Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony Conference Discount Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres., organizer) of a group to register. Looks like some good benefits for groups to join. Paul -Original Message- Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel: Emerging Telephony Conference: Use code xxx when you register, and receive 40% off the registration price. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Helios
Dean Collins wrote: The new Helio looks suspiciously oval… J Love the dual sliding keypad concept though. http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/helios-pantech-pn-810-qwerty-device-pops-up-in-fcc That's a nice looking phone! And it has an FCC filing to boot - I guess we'll be seeing it on shelves long before we see the Neo1973. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
