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What AT commands does NEO1973 support?

2007-03-13 Thread Rockmen Jack


Hi,
 Does NEO1973 support AT command, such as call wait, multiparty call
control, etc? Althought there are BP functions, I don't know where I can
find this information. Can I send AT command directly to BP in development
board via serial port?

Cherrs,
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Re: What moblie service to get

2007-03-13 Thread Duncan Hudson

Jeremy wrote:

I just wanted to give a little head-up about Cingular data plans. They are quite confusing, and
I've looked into them in the past and read several forums at Cingular's website regarding the issue.
Essentially, the cheaper unlimited plan (smart phone?) gives you walled garden access similar to
T-Mobile. If you sign up for this plan and access the internet via a different method, you will get slapped
with a LARGE bill (depending on your usage). If you sign up for the PDA plans, you can
essentially access the internet freely, but you are not allowed to tether your phone, and if you do and they
catch you (roll of the dice?), then again you'll get a LARGE bill.

And even if you call Cingular and try to ask a sales reps about them, you don't have a
great chance they'll know any more than you do about the plans. If you really want to
get some info, I've been told you should talk to the actual technical support
people as they apparently know a bit more about how the data network actually operates
and what is/isn't allowed.

Again, I would like to emphasize that this info was taken from 3rd parties in
online forums. I don't have any first hand knowledge on this topic (yet).

Related to the issue of having to buy a Smart phone with a data plan, I don't
think this is true. You can add and remove plans to your account at pretty
much any time. They don't really care about the device you're using as long as
you don't break the Terms of Use. They want your money...

The Cingular data plans have been discussed ad nauseum over at
Treocentral.com. The consensus is that basically all the plans will
work fine and with the web access to your account you're free to add or
subtract any of the data plans w/o dealing w/ customer service. That
being said, I've been happily using the $19.99 unlimited data plan for
the last 3 years. There doesn't appear to be any 'wall' - I can surf
anywhere, vpn, ssh, pop, imap, etc. On a monthly basis my usage is
between 80 - 90 Mb.

Dunc

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Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep

2007-03-13 Thread Igor Foox



On 12-Mar-07, at 11:53 AM, Ian Stirling wrote:


Dean Collins wrote:

Hey guys, you're missing the point. You need to stop thinking of the
openmoko  device being a standalone unit, you are always connected to
your pc when in mobile phone coverage. Just use your gprs data link.
Start thinking of the Neo as a portable 'viewer' to applications  
running
on standalone servers then you'll start seeing location is  
irrelevant.

No, it's not.
Absolutely not.
No way.

With most UK contracts and pay to talk deals, I get a whole  
megabyte a month free!

I need to pay around $80(US) per month or so for unlimited GPRS data.
The cheapest 'pay as you go' sort of data tarrifs are around $6/ 
meg, and that requires a contract.


And in many buildings, I don't get a signal.

If it possibly can be done, applications should live on the phone,  
perhaps 'growing' if they can get connectivity.


Connectivity can be anything from GPRS, to SMS, to walking by a  
wifi access point that you have access to, to USB-net.


Having just looked up rates by Canadian providers, I can say that the  
situation here is not any better. Rates are ludicrous at best. So  
having all the applications reliant on a constantly available net  
connection will make them unusable by a lot of people.


Igor


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Crossroads

2007-03-13 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz

Dear Community,

OpenMoko is built around the philosophy that far more knowledge exists 
outside the walls of a corporation than within. Internally, we're
struggling with two issues. So we're throwing this out, hoping that some
of you have can help us move past our current crossroads: 
  
  1) We can't find a WiFi Chipset with GPL'ed drivers -- We know 
  this has been discussed (to death) on this list, but as we're 
  beginning work on the next summer hardware refresh we still can't seem
  to find a vendor that meets our strict requirements: Namely, we refuse
  to put anything binary in the kernel. 

  Marvell has some nice for larger devices (the 8388). But we need
  one specifically for mobile phones (like the 8686). If somebody 
  can help us find the right vendor, we'll give you a free Neo1973. 
  
  If you're a vendor and want to work with us to GPL your driver, we'll 
  give you lots of business -- and a free phone ;-) 


  2) We don't have enough UI / Application developers -- If anybody 
  meets (or knows somebody who can meet) the following qualifications:

* = 2 years experience with GTK
* object oriented design and implementation w/ GObject
* experience with writing GUI applications from scratch,
* has software quality assets like:
  o writing maintainable and reusable code
  o refactoring
  o design patterns
  o identifying and extracting common application code 
into frameworks 

  Familiarity with collaborative development tools such as:

* bugtracker,
* source control management,
* wiki,
* mailing lists 

  is a necessity.

  We've love to talk with you! Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 
  links to your previous work and a resume if you have one. (The latter 
  is nowhere near as important as the former.)

Thanks in advance for any help!

-Sean


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Re: What AT commands does NEO1973 support?

2007-03-13 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick


Since no one else has lept on this one, I'll pipe in with my comment.

At the eTel conference, I asked Sean Moss-Pulz about this indirectly,  
actually asking if the GSM module they're using is open enough for me  
to download the details of their AT command set support.  
Unfortunately, the GSM module is one of those components that comes  
with an NDA, so no, I can't just go and download the specs.


But there is a bright side, 3GPP has a standard set of AT commands  
that all GSM modems are supposed to respond to, and the two that you  
mention MultiParty Call Control (AT+CHLD) and Call Waiting (AT+CCWA)  
are in the list. Sean said that for reasons of adhering to the NDA,  
he couldn't discuss specifics, but it was reasonable to expect the  
modem to respond to standard 3GPP commands.


My concern, however, is that while the commands themselves are more  
or less standardized, the behavior of the module is not. I wrote a  
simple dialer for the Telit GM862 module used by the FrankenPhone /  
SqueakMoPho. Some behavior, such as the amount of time you should  
wait before assuming the module isn't going to compete the call, or  
the state your device is in after it doesn't complete a call. These  
types of behaviors are not covered in the 3GPP spec.


It's not a huge deal, but software that is designed to take timing  
issues into account can provide a more responsive and more robust  
experience. But depending on the robustness of the module they're  
using, it could very well turn out to be a non-issue.


-cheers!
-Matt H.

On Mar 13, 2007, at 2:42 AM, Rockmen Jack wrote:


Hi,
  Does NEO1973 support AT command, such as call wait, multiparty  
call control, etc? Althought there are BP functions, I don't know  
where I can find this information. Can I send AT command directly  
to BP in development board via serial port?


Cherrs,
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