Phase 1+ discount quantity
Hi everyone, The details of the P1+ discount for people who buy a P1 aren't out yet but I wanted to put forward this question anyway. Do you think this discount will be locked in a 1:1 relationship? ie, buy one P1 and get a discount on one P1+ Or do you think we will be able to buy say, two discounted P1+ phones even if we only bought one P1 phone? Ben. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
First impressions of Neo1973
= Hardware = == Size == The phone is BIG. There is no other word for it. It makes it even worse when you open the phone and see that a lot of space is wasted: Half of the thickness is taken by the battery, a very small vibrator, 2 small loud speakers and half of the 2 antennas - leaving 50% of half of the phone as empty space. The carrying hole is just making this worse. I am not sure if you could have made the phone slimmer, but it seems that it would have been easy to make room for a battery twice the size. I usually carry my Siemens S55 and my Samsung NV3 camera in one pocket. But swapping the S55 with the Neo is going to take some time getting used to. == The screen == The resolution of the screen is awesome. I still need to try it in sunshine. == The hardware button == There is a hardware button on the left side. But it is hard to press (I have to use force), which will limit its usefulness. Had it been extended a few mm then it is in the perfect location for my thumb and might be useful as a CTRL key. == The power button == To turn the phone on you have to hold the power button for 5 seconds. You get no feedback during this and it is hard to feel if the button is actually pressed. It would have been nice with some feedback. A status LED would be sufficient. == Connecting the USB == I still have doubt whether the USB cable is actually plugged in and the phone charging, because I cannot turn on a completely discharged phone as soon as I plug it in. If my Siemens S55 is completely discharged I plug it in and from that second I can use the phone normally again. An LED on the phone to should it when it was charging and show when it was ready to turn on would help a lot. == The MicroSD holder == Putting the MicroSD card into the phone takes some practice. The holder is very fragile, so you probably only want to do this once and do data transfer via USB/Bluetooth. If this is not improved for the mass market phone the package must contain a how-to-install-microSD-card otherwise I predict broken MicroSD holders. = Software = Software is very limited at this point: I have yet to place my first call using the phone. == Placement of buttons == I read from left to right. I will expect most people, who will use the phone, will do that. I believe it is because of this, that I find it natural that if presented with 2 buttons 'previous' and 'next' I will expect 'previous' to on the left side. That is similar to the web browsers I use: Left means back, right means forward. If I click something wrong in the web browser and want to undo that I press back (i.e. left) again. So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it From this I also find the following gestures natural: Drag-left = backspace Drag-right = space Backspace is similar to undo and if a gesture is needed for the left-grouped buttons then this should be it. The right-grouped buttons should have the opposite (similar to space). == UI improvements == I like to drag things. In the calendar I cannot see the whole day. I have to use the scrollbar (which BTW seems not to be proportionally resized). I would like to simply click on the time and drag that up or down (like when you drag around a PDF file in e.g. Acroread). And do the same with the days in week view. The feedback is bad. I was often in doubt whether I had clicked or not. Using the hour glass icon more would help some but not solve everything. == Application: Screen rotate == This rotates to landscape and back. Neat. But again the feedback is too slow. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On 5/14/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hardware = I have been asked which phone versions this covers Phone version: GTA01B_V3 and GTA01B_V4 Both are phase-0 phones. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: accelerometer in neo?
Robin Paulson wrote: i've been thinking recently about other applications for the openmoko, beyond the usual phone/maps/gps/internet access, and a couple of them require an accelerometer i could find no mention of one in the wiki, either in the hardware list or the wish list. does anyone have any ideas? A) you should have looked harder. B) I should have tried editing the wiki harder, to make things stand out more. Look at wishlist:hardware in the wiki ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On 5/14/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it I just want to point out that the Neo wouldn't be the only phone to put answer-call on the left and reject-call/end on the right. I'm pretty sure every phone I've ever had did it that way as well. Definitely the phone I have right now has it that way. So, for consistency, it makes sense to leave it that way. It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
From all phones I saw being sold in Europe (and few years ago in Asia) only Motorola (and not in all models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most phones use answer-on-left and reject-on-right style, it should be more intuitive for most users (despite that as right-handed I prefer Motorola style). Maybe in future someone will implement some configuration or maybe some different themes/skins will be enough to choose which style is best for me. :-) Piotr Steven ** napisał(a): On 5/14/07, *Ole Tange* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it I just want to point out that the Neo wouldn't be the only phone to put answer-call on the left and reject-call/end on the right. I'm pretty sure every phone I've ever had did it that way as well. Definitely the phone I have right now has it that way. So, for consistency, it makes sense to leave it that way. It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: accelerometer in neo?
Hi, Wouldn't expansion via existing usb or BT be preferable? If a few types of hardware that's accessable via these ports has been developed with some sort of driver and application then further development will have a foundation to work off of and the usefullness will be clear for incorporation into later versions of the phone. E.g, rather then embed the accelerometer in this version of the phone, use the ezusb chip to develop the application. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:50 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: accelerometer in neo? Since SPI is available for IO (near as I can tell), there's something to be said for an expansion back that would have room for a bunch of optional peripherals in some sort of standard form facter... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most The problem is same as slash and backslash or little endian and big endian. People just love incompatibility... Regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On 14/05/07, Piotr Duda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From all phones I saw being sold in Europe (and few years ago in Asia) only Motorola (and not in all models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most phones use answer-on-left and reject-on-right style, it should be more intuitive for most users (despite that as right-handed I prefer Motorola style). Maybe in future someone will implement some configuration or maybe some different themes/skins will be enough to choose which style is best for me. :-) I guess when you hold a phone in your right hand, the left button is easiest to hit with your thumb... Piotr Steven ** napisał(a): On 5/14/07, *Ole Tange* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it I just want to point out that the Neo wouldn't be the only phone to put answer-call on the left and reject-call/end on the right. I'm pretty sure every phone I've ever had did it that way as well. Definitely the phone I have right now has it that way. So, for consistency, it makes sense to leave it that way. It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On ma, 2007-05-14 at 07:21 -0500, Steven ** wrote: It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. OpenMoko uses GTK, which per default uses the Mac-style OK on bottom right approach, which I find to be better argued for. So, incorrect. Also not all phones have answer/call on left and reject/end-call on right, though it is true that it seems to be the majority vote. I have seen phones where it is reversed, but don't recall the models. I have no strong opinions on the answer/call and reject/end-call ordering, but would like it if the GTK practice was adhered to. This _would_ logically place also answer/call on the right, of course... Perhaps for the answer/call buttons at least the order should be settable, default maybe the order most phones do it in. (And of course it is in the end settable anyway, but from a GUI ;) -- Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most The problem is same as slash and backslash or little endian and big endian. People just love incompatibility... Well, I can tell you not all Motorola phones are laid out like this. On my Motorola phone, the call is on the right, and the disconnect on the left. On my wife's Motorola phone, the call/OK is on the left, and the cancel/disconnect on the right. Messes both of us up all the time, when we use each other's phones! Cheers, -- John Locke Open Source Solutions for Small Business Problems published by Charles River Media, June 2004 http://www.freelock.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Tactile Feedback
I had mentioned this before, but it didn't get much conversation since it was deep within a thread. Anyway, since there are no hardware buttons for input, could we not use the vibrator to give a quick pulse so that you still have some feedback as to when a button is pressed? It might go a long way in making hardware keyboard less entry more acceptable. http://www.time4.com/time4/microsites/popsci/howitworks/cellphone_motor.html Any thoughts? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:53 +0200, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most The problem is same as slash and backslash or little endian and big endian. People just love incompatibility... No they dont, just money hungry monopolist like it. But thats another thread on another forum. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: accelerometer in neo?
Crane, Matthew wrote: Hi, Wouldn't expansion via existing usb or BT be preferable? If a few types of hardware that's accessable via these ports has been developed with some sort of driver and application then further development will have a foundation to work off of and the usefullness will be clear for incorporation into later versions of the phone. E.g, rather then embed the accelerometer in this version of the phone, use the ezusb chip to develop the application. No. There are reportedly solderable to SPI pins inside the chip. You can directly connect some accelerometer chips to these with absolutely no circuitry. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. Thanks, Matt ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: accelerometer in neo?
ST makes a 3 axis mems accelerometers that speak SPI [and I2C]. VTI has I2C only and SPI ones. I have the SPI/I2C one [LIS3LV02DL] made by ST but I don't have it working yet. I'm still in awe of how small it is -- much smaller than a tic-tac candy. http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=197587Site=USCat=35783228 http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12094/lis3lv02dl.pdf It was ~$14. Dirt cheap for what it does. If what people say about wasted space inside the neo is true then I'm hoping to cram one in there when I get my phone. Maybe some mems rate sensors too. Now that's _my_ kind of augmented GPS! -erik I'm not sure about that. I guess it depends on the specifics of the application, but there is no 3-axis spi version of the alg dev mems chips afaik. The SPI chips are much more expensive (obviously there are costs wrt SPI alternatives) and targeted. =20 http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,ADXL330,00.html http://www.analog.com/en/subCat/0,2879,764%255F801%255F0%255F%255F0%255F ,00.html Matt -Original Message- From: Ian Stirling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:30 PM To: Crane, Matthew Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: accelerometer in neo? Crane, Matthew wrote: Hi,=20 =20 Wouldn't expansion via existing usb or BT be preferable? If a few types of hardware that's accessable via these ports has been developed with some sort of driver and application then further development will have a foundation to work off of and the usefullness will be clear for incorporation into later versions of the phone. =20 E.g, rather then embed the accelerometer in this version of the phone, use the ezusb chip to develop the application. =20 No. There are reportedly solderable to SPI pins inside the chip. You can directly connect some accelerometer chips to these with=20 absolutely no circuitry. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
The same for me. Especially I'm interessted in the speed, the phone functions (address book, dialer, history, ...) and the voice quality. 2007/5/14, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. Thanks, Matt ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
I too would love to hear more about the phone, even if its an early release. Take it outside for us, and tell us about the sunlight reading! Send us a photo of it being 'big', maybe in comparison to another phone or a soda can or mouse pad! Does anyone know if there are plans for the final design to be shrunk down a bit, if there really seems to be this much empty space? FYI my Nokia bar phone (don't know the model but its been pretty standard over the last three phones like this) has the Call/Answer on the left, and disconnect on the right. -- start using Free software http://www.linux.org http://www.fsf.org It's a matter of Liberty not Price: Free Software exists to free you from the artificial constraints set by Apple and Microsoft. Free software is Unrestricted software. Get Free. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Durability of the Neo1973?
I was just looking at my current phone's size to compare it to the reports of the Neo1973, and I dropped my phone. I do this a lot, and the phone has held up. Each new phone I purchase is due to a battery issue only. I have never broke a phone due to it falling (but I have broke an iPod due to the internal drive failing after a fall!) Considering that the Neo1973 has no hard drive, how well should we expect the rest of the hardware to hold up due to falls, drops, etc? -- start using Free software http://www.linux.org http://www.fsf.org It's a matter of Liberty not Price: Free Software exists to free you from the artificial constraints set by Apple and Microsoft. Free software is Unrestricted software. Get Free. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Durability of the Neo1973?
Jefe.. This is just my opinion here, but I don't see the Neo1973 to be a mass consumer device, nor do I think that is/was FIC's/OpenMoko's intent. The 1973 is a SW Developer/Bleeding Edge Adopter platform. Its a starting place and an incubator for ideas. I would not expect serious drop hardening until the third and fourth generation of the series. And er, Sean... How's that dang production run going? Got my credit card in my breast pocket just waiting. Original Message: - From: el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:05:38 -0500 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Durability of the Neo1973? I was just looking at my current phone's size to compare it to the reports of the Neo1973, and I dropped my phone. I do this a lot, and the phone has held up. Each new phone I purchase is due to a battery issue only. I have never broke a phone due to it falling (but I have broke an iPod due to the internal drive failing after a fall!) Considering that the Neo1973 has no hard drive, how well should we expect the rest of the hardware to hold up due to falls, drops, etc? -- start using Free software http://www.linux.org http://www.fsf.org It's a matter of Liberty not Price: Free Software exists to free you from the artificial constraints set by Apple and Microsoft. Free software is Unrestricted software. Get Free. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: accelerometer in neo?
So what would one do with a cell phone with an embedded gps assisted inertial guidance system? Tape a rocket motor to the back for a new way to destroy the iPhone? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:20 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: accelerometer in neo? ST makes a 3 axis mems accelerometers that speak SPI [and I2C]. VTI has I2C only and SPI ones. I have the SPI/I2C one [LIS3LV02DL] made by ST but I don't have it working yet. I'm still in awe of how small it is -- much smaller than a tic-tac candy. http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=197587Si te=USCat=35783228 http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12094/lis3lv02dl.pdf It was ~$14. Dirt cheap for what it does. If what people say about wasted space inside the neo is true then I'm hoping to cram one in there when I get my phone. Maybe some mems rate sensors too. Now that's _my_ kind of augmented GPS! -erik I'm not sure about that. I guess it depends on the specifics of the application, but there is no 3-axis spi version of the alg dev mems chips afaik. The SPI chips are much more expensive (obviously there are costs wrt SPI alternatives) and targeted. =20 http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,ADXL330,00.html http://www.analog.com/en/subCat/0,2879,764%255F801%255F0%255F%255F0%255F ,00.html Matt -Original Message- From: Ian Stirling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:30 PM To: Crane, Matthew Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: accelerometer in neo? Crane, Matthew wrote: Hi,=20 =20 Wouldn't expansion via existing usb or BT be preferable? If a few types of hardware that's accessable via these ports has been developed with some sort of driver and application then further development will have a foundation to work off of and the usefullness will be clear for incorporation into later versions of the phone. =20 E.g, rather then embed the accelerometer in this version of the phone, use the ezusb chip to develop the application. =20 No. There are reportedly solderable to SPI pins inside the chip. You can directly connect some accelerometer chips to these with=20 absolutely no circuitry. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Durability of the Neo1973?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jefe.. This is just my opinion here, but I don't see the Neo1973 to be a mass consumer device, nor do I think that is/was FIC's/OpenMoko's intent. The 1973 is a SW Developer/Bleeding Edge Adopter platform. Its a starting place and an incubator for ideas. I would not expect serious drop hardening until the third and fourth generation of the series. Right, the first version isn't supposed to be a mass market consumer device. But I believe the intention is that the version that was intended to ship in September was to be a mass market device. And er, Sean... How's that dang production run going? Got my credit card in my breast pocket just waiting. Well, the 1st production run was scheduled for the 10th, and it's now the 14th. We've yet to hear a peep from anyone. So, if I was a betting man I'd say that it either didn't go off, or another show stopper / slip causer popped up. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: firefox for mobiles
David Ford wrote: Even with tuning, FF is a dastard piggy. I've tested things with FF. Start it with no history, no recovered session. Load up digg.com and do nothing. Just let it sit there. It will sit there and slowly grow and grow and grow. The caching isn't the problem, that's tunable. The problem is the memory leaks -- all the valgrind reports turned into moz teams (and ignored). I tried this over the weekend, creating a fresh profile for Firefox, starting it up, loading digg.com into it, and then letting it sit for a day. Memory consumption stayed constant. I'm using the latest nightly version of Firefox 2.0 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4pre) Gecko/20070513 BonEcho/2.0.0.4pre) on Ubuntu Linux 6.10. -myk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: accelerometer in neo?
Crane, Matthew wrote: So what would one do with a cell phone with an embedded gps assisted inertial guidance system? Tape a rocket motor to the back for a new way to destroy the iPhone? To be boringly pedantic. An inertial guidance system is not possible with simply a 3 axis accelerometer. You need at least three angular rate sensors to pick up the roll, pitch, and yaw. (which way it points) In practice, semiconductor inertial guidance at the moment isn't suitable for more than a few seconds at a time. The drift rate is _horrible_ - a kilometer position uncertainty after 3 minutes, 400Km in an hour. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host connector? (was Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub)
On Monday 2007-05-14 11:57:09 Hans van der Merwe wrote: (At a high level, my use case is take pictures from my real camera and upload them directly to flickr :-) That requires either an SD slot, or USB host to talk to the card directly (or USB to talk to the camera, but that's less portable.) I'm trying to see if I can do this with the FIC1973, possibly with simple warrantee violating hardware enhancements...) It's my understanding that it would only require software changes. Does anyone know how much work it will be to get the USB host working? I will need it to drive a webcam for one of my projects. Will this be possible? If not done, you can still use microSD card with micro to SD convertor, right? -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev, GPG key ID: 0EF40B9E, Key server: pgp.mit.edu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On 5/14/07, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. It is a developer phone, so it is hardly surprising that the quality of the software is lacking. Thus, I have so far not been able to place a call. The other applications can hardly be called strong. The size is surprisingly accurate to my paperdoll http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/27/Neo1973-doll.pdf So if you want to get a feel of how big it is - print it out and start folding. A picture of the (bangend up) doll, a couple of phones and a CD is here: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:PhoneSizeComparison.jpg /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phase 1+ discount quantity
On 5/14/07, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, The details of the P1+ discount for people who buy a P1 aren't out yet but I wanted to put forward this question anyway. Do you think this discount will be locked in a 1:1 relationship? ie, buy one P1 and get a discount on one P1+ Or do you think we will be able to buy say, two discounted P1+ phones even if we only bought one P1 phone? The details are not know as of now. We do not even know if there will be a discount at all. Personally, if I was FIC I would let it be a 1:1, so if you buy 1 phone, you can get 1 phone of the next model with a discount. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host connector? (was Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub)
On 5/14/07, Doncho N. Gunchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 2007-05-14 11:57:09 Hans van der Merwe wrote: Does anyone know how much work it will be to get the USB host working? I will need it to drive a webcam for one of my projects. Will this be possible? If not done, you can still use microSD card with micro to SD convertor, right? Not really. The microSD in the phone is located below the SIMcard and below the battery: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_case_back_open_white.jpg However, I too am under the impression that only software is needed to have the USB-connector act like a host. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host connector? (was Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub)
On 5/14/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/14/07, Doncho N. Gunchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip However, I too am under the impression that only software is needed to have the USB-connector act like a host. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community as am I, but don't forget you'd need to inject power to run the card reader -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tactile Feedback
On Monday 2007-05-14 17:47:27 Jonathon Suggs wrote: I had mentioned this before, but it didn't get much conversation since it was deep within a thread. Anyway, since there are no hardware buttons for input, could we not use the vibrator to give a quick pulse so that you still have some feedback as to when a button is pressed? It might go a long way in making hardware keyboard less entry more acceptable. http://www.time4.com/time4/microsites/popsci/howitworks/cellphone_motor.html Any thoughts? Don't know, should try this first but I would preffer an option to turn this off (just like I turn all sort of key/screen touch sounds off very soon). -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev, GPG key ID: 0EF40B9E, Key server: pgp.mit.edu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: accelerometer in neo?
On Monday 2007-05-14 14:33:48 Ian Stirling wrote: Robin Paulson wrote: i've been thinking recently about other applications for the openmoko, beyond the usual phone/maps/gps/internet access, and a couple of them require an accelerometer i could find no mention of one in the wiki, either in the hardware list or the wish list. does anyone have any ideas? A) you should have looked harder. B) I should have tried editing the wiki harder, to make things stand out more. Look at wishlist:hardware in the wiki Yes, it's there and would make a terrific mouse for my laptop ;-) -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev, GPG key ID: 0EF40B9E, Key server: pgp.mit.edu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Phase 1+ discount quantity
Yeah I can't imagine FIC doing even a 1:2 ratio. Unless the discount isn't substantial by any means. Like $5 dollars off and a 1:5 ration maybe but then that wouldn't really be a great discount would it. I just can't see them doing anything but a 1:1 ratio. But that's just my opinion On 5/14/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/14/07, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, The details of the P1+ discount for people who buy a P1 aren't out yet but I wanted to put forward this question anyway. Do you think this discount will be locked in a 1:1 relationship? ie, buy one P1 and get a discount on one P1+ Or do you think we will be able to buy say, two discounted P1+ phones even if we only bought one P1 phone? The details are not know as of now. We do not even know if there will be a discount at all. Personally, if I was FIC I would let it be a 1:1, so if you buy 1 phone, you can get 1 phone of the next model with a discount. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tactile Feedback
On 5/14/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had mentioned this before, but it didn't get much conversation since it was deep within a thread. Anyway, since there are no hardware buttons for input, could we not use the vibrator to give a quick pulse so that you still have some feedback as to when a button is pressed? It might go a long way in making hardware keyboard less entry more acceptable. http://www.time4.com/time4/microsites/popsci/howitworks/cellphone_motor.html Any thoughts? It was discussed here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000917.html I have updated the wiki with the idea of adding sound and visuals. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/VibratorAsKeyboardClick /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Durability of the Neo1973?
On Monday 14 May 2007 14:46:08 Duncan Hudson wrote: So, if I was a betting man I'd say that it either didn't go off, or another show stopper / slip causer popped up. Lets hope you are a crappy gambler. :) Seriously though, It is starting to get a little annoying that we have not heard anything. Is it just my imagination, or has Sean been alot quieter for the last month or so? I am sure the FIC guys are working like mad to get this phone out the door, but, like many of us, I have been waiting for my Moko since January. I am SOooo ready to get it in my hands! -Jason ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Durability of the Neo1973?
Agreed. It has been REALLY quite for the last month or so. We still dont have any verified working phase 1. We havent heard anything about the production run. We havent heard jack about the phase 1+. Its starting to feel like we are being very left out of the loop. And since its us the development community that is going to take this thing to the next level once it is released, it kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth that we are being so left out of the loop. Just my 2 cents. On 5/14/07, Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 14 May 2007 14:46:08 Duncan Hudson wrote: So, if I was a betting man I'd say that it either didn't go off, or another show stopper / slip causer popped up. Lets hope you are a crappy gambler. :) Seriously though, It is starting to get a little annoying that we have not heard anything. Is it just my imagination, or has Sean been alot quieter for the last month or so? I am sure the FIC guys are working like mad to get this phone out the door, but, like many of us, I have been waiting for my Moko since January. I am SOooo ready to get it in my hands! -Jason ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Cameo Appearance
I was leafing through eWeek today (it's not much a magazine anymore) and stumbled upon an article about Sun's new JavaFX scripting language. There's a picture of Sun's Rich Green holding an Orange OpenMoko during a presentation! There's also a close up of a black unit with FIC printed on it. Just thought it was cool. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Sun JavaFx
Hi Stefano, Sorry for the delayed response been away for a few days. Yep will be very interesting to see how Sun commercializes the Savaje intellectual property they purchased from the liquidated assets. One of my clients www.Mexuar.com http://www.mexuar.com/ built a number of applications for the Savaje launch in SF 2006 so we are watching this recent announcement with anticipation. Will be an interesting few months to say the least. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). http://click.mexuar.com/webuser/click/7/userurl/Cognation http://click.mexuar.com/webuser/nojs/7/userurl/Cognation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stefano Sanna Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 1:01 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Sun JavaFx Marco Miani wrote: Hi I've just read this http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=19entry_id=163 10 about sun JavaFx and a mockup of a phone that will be presented soon WTF it's a Neo somebody knows something more ? I think (hope?) it is the new appearance of Savaje platform (+ JavaFX scripting). Cheers, Stefano. -- Stefano Sanna - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal web site: http://www.gerdavax.it AIM: gerdavax - Skype: gerdavax - Callsign: IS0DZE ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community image001.gif___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
I dont know whats more sad... You creating a paperdoll of an OpenMoko, or the fact that I downloaded it and made one for myself! LOL! Hopefully it will confort me till I get the real thing. :) -Jason On Monday 14 May 2007 15:40:31 Ole Tange wrote: On 5/14/07, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. It is a developer phone, so it is hardly surprising that the quality of the software is lacking. Thus, I have so far not been able to place a call. The other applications can hardly be called strong. The size is surprisingly accurate to my paperdoll http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/27/Neo1973-doll.pdf So if you want to get a feel of how big it is - print it out and start folding. A picture of the (bangend up) doll, a couple of phones and a CD is here: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:PhoneSizeComparison.jpg /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
