Microsoft Shift technology (precision pointing without stylus)
Hi list, just want to mention the Shift technology that I noticed today - here's the conclusion in the report [1]: CONCLUSION Shift enables the operation of a pen-based device, such as a PDA or UMPC, with fingers. Our experimental results show that Shift's conditional escalation overcomes occlu- sion problems and allows users to select small targets relia- bly. ... Not sure if this stuff is patented, but I guess it could be implemented on the OpenMoko (I guess develepment specific discussions should be posted to the -devel list ;)) Patiently waiting for the Neo1937, best MartinG [1] http://patrickbaudisch.com/publications/2007-Vogel-CHI07-Shift.pdf ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo Device in London?
Dear community I am currently in London. And I am _really_ eager to have just one time a neo in my hand bevor I have my own one. Is there someone with a neo in Lodon wo could meet me to show the device? In a pub or somewhere you want. The beer or whatever would be on my bill of course. If you want to make one or two hours free for me please contact me: esra _at_ kummer _dot_ to I am in London until the 10th of june, than i go back to Switzerland. BTW: Currently is a Linux User Group camp for the german speaking couties in Switzerland. I heard from friends that it is not a topic at all there. Very sad. I will organice somethin next yeah I guess when it's still so. But I think then everyone has allready one because it's so sweet ^^ Cheers Esra (ps: no, I not a women so don't try to date with me :P) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Making Neo Brickproof, was comments after reading Wiki
It seems to me as someone who designs and makes embedded devices (mainly using the Freescale MC9S12 processors) that you need another lower level bootstrap loader that is small, can be protected and will either jump to the main bootstrap loader if it is functional or be able to download a new 2nd stage bootstrap loader and program it into flash via the USB port. Here is a flow chart for the proposed loader RESET 1. Turn protection on for this first level bootstrap code (if necessary) 2. Check if user wants to download new 2nd stage bootstrap (could use AUX button), if so goto 5 3. Check if 2nd stage bootstrap exists (is 2nd stage bootstrap flash blank?), if so goto 5 4. Check 2nd stage bootstrap code in Flash via checksum, if OK load into RAM and jump to else goto 5 5. Download new second stage bootstrap image from the USB port and store into FLASH. I would use some simple HEX format like Intel or Motorola HEX format. I have used a similar scheme for some time now and it has been bullet proof for me. Simon Matthews On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 19:55 -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: Marcin Wiacek wrote: Of I see that we think about different things Yup :-) I was thinking about protecting memory with main phone software (like kernel, boot loader, main apps). You'll (almost certainly) be able to do this as well: the new MCU will allow you to specify which NAND Flash area can be written to. Once this is set, it cannot be changed without a reset. So this would be a hardware assisted solution. Unfortunately, you can probably bypass it if you're determined. - Werner ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Few comments after reading Wiki
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 19:55 -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: You'll (almost certainly) be able to do this as well: the new MCU will allow you to specify which NAND Flash area can be written to. Once this is set, it cannot be changed without a reset. So this would be a hardware assisted solution. Unfortunately, you can probably bypass it if you're determined. Could you tell me the make and model of the new MPU, and maybe some links to datasheets. I did look in the WIKI and in previous messages but couldn't find these details. I am intrigued to see how they implement the protection. Thanks Simon ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
release date
What is the latest release date for the FIC NEO 1973, and where will I be able to buy it? I am holding off on company cellphone purchases until I see what the neo can do as my company is Unix only which makes it very attractive. If it will take till next year it will be lights out and I will buy something else. It better be soon, warts and all. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: release date
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the latest release date for the FIC NEO 1973, and where will I be able to buy it? I am holding off on company cellphone purchases until I see what the neo can do as my company is Unix only which makes it very attractive. If it will take till next year it will be lights out and I will buy something else. For end-users, it's still September. For developers, a couple of weeks, hopefully. This will _NOT_ be a workable phone you want to distribute to employees in a couple of weeks. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: release date
2007/5/18, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For end-users, it's still September. It definitely doesn't look like the OpenMoko (software) will be ready in 3 months. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: release date
OK ... you peaked my interest. I understand not giving it to many others to use but as long as a one can make/receive a call - that is all I'd expect at this point. Is it a functional phone?? More importantly, are there any H/W mods planned? and will the developer version be upgradable? I'm still interested in the developer version - it does help to get expectations in line. Thanks for the update! Rich On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 20:00 +0100, Ian Stirling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the latest release date for the FIC NEO 1973, and where will I be able to buy it? I am holding off on company cellphone purchases until I see what the neo can do as my company is Unix only which makes it very attractive. If it will take till next year it will be lights out and I will buy something else. For end-users, it's still September. For developers, a couple of weeks, hopefully. This will _NOT_ be a workable phone you want to distribute to employees in a couple of weeks. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- GPG/PGP Key Id: 1B257AEC from pgp.mit.edu Remember, all Windows machines are, by definition, fault tolerant. They run Windows don't they!! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: release date
Tomasz Zielinski wrote: 2007/5/18, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For end-users, it's still September. It definitely doesn't look like the OpenMoko (software) will be ready in 3 months. I had doubts about the originalish schedule of Feb-Sep. May-Sep is challenging. I think it's probably safe to say that it'll take a fair amount of effort to get a nice set of end-user-safe apps in 3 months ish. And that open-source development often doesn't behave well in time pressure. I'm assuming in this that there is a step change in development effort once hardware hits interested devs. I know I can develop without hardware. I know I should. But, the presence of a phone would be a powerful motivator. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
