release date

2007-05-20 Thread Lv 
What is the latest release date for the FIC NEO 1973, and where will I 
be able to buy it?
I am holding off on company cellphone purchases until I see what the neo 
can do as my company is Unix only which makes it very attractive.
If it will take till next year it will be lights out and I will buy 
something else.


It better be soon, warts and all.

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Re: FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Duncan Hudson 

Jim Thompson wrote:

Duncan Hudson wrote:
Just read that the iPhone was granted FCC approval.  I asked along 
time ago, has the OpenMoko FCC certification process even begun yet?  
No FCC approval, no license to sell the product in the US...


Its not a "license".  You can't sell, or offer to sell a device 
subject to the FCC regs in the US without either marking (in a 
rules-compliant manner) the FCC compliance information (not all 
devices are "certified"), or affixing a label that says, "this device 
is not FCC-certified, and is not offered for sale", in order to even 
*show* one at a venue such as a trade show.


Violation is subject to a fine of up to $10,000 per occurrence.

Personally, I get a 'vibe' that Sean doesn't think the phone will sell 
(at least for a while) in the US... for whatever reason.


I had really forgotten about FCC approval until I saw the iPhone 
certification story.  Then it drove home the point that if FIC hasn't 
started FCC the certification yet the delivery date (at least in the US) 
is going to slip again.


Dunc

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RE: FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Dean Collins 
I wonder what percentage of a device can be pre-assembled and still
constitute a 'kit'

 

Section 15.23 Home-built devices.

(a) Equipment authorization is not required for devices that are not
marketed,

from a kit, and are built in quantities of five or less for personal
use.

(b) It is recognized that the individual builder of home-built equipment
may

means to perform the measurements for determining compliance with the
regulations.

builder is expected to employ good engineering practices to meet the
specified technical

greatest extent practicable. The provisions of Section 15.5 apply to
this equipment.

 

That's about as far as I bothered reading - I'll wait until there is an
official FIC response in the next 24-48 hours about how they intend to
supply orders in the USA before I bother reading any more.

 

 

 

 

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> -Original Message-

> From: Dean Collins

> Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2007 11:12 PM

> To: community@lists.openmoko.org

> Subject: RE: FCC Approval

> 

> Yep - I love how they say we only have a courtesy copy here for you to
view ...

> excuse me?? You're federal government - I pay my taxes - you work for
me!!

> 

> If you don't want to make the rules available in a non proprietary
format then I think

> there should be a rule of the land that says we get to ignore them :)

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Regards,

> 

> Dean Collins

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> 

> > -Original Message-

> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-

> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson

> > Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2007 9:47 PM

> > To: Joe Pfeiffer

> > Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org

> > Subject: Re: FCC Approval

> >

> > Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

> > > For purposes of the regulations, what exactly is a "device"?  If
the

> > > actual tranceiver is approved (and I assume it is), does that
carry

> > > approval for a phone using it?

> >

> > http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/

> >

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RE: FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Dean Collins 
Yep - I love how they say we only have a courtesy copy here for you to
view ... excuse me?? You're federal government - I pay my taxes -
you work for me!!

If you don't want to make the rules available in a non proprietary
format then I think there should be a rule of the land that says we get
to ignore them :)


 

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson
> Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2007 9:47 PM
> To: Joe Pfeiffer
> Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: FCC Approval
> 
> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> > For purposes of the regulations, what exactly is a "device"?  If the
> > actual tranceiver is approved (and I assume it is), does that carry
> > approval for a phone using it?
> 
> http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/
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Re: FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Joe Friedrichsen 

It would be great to know if any of the P0 folks are US-based as well.
The majority sound European, save Rod :-)

Joe

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Re: FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Jim Thompson 

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

For purposes of the regulations, what exactly is a "device"?  If the
actual tranceiver is approved (and I assume it is), does that carry
approval for a phone using it?


http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/


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Re: FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Joe Pfeiffer 
For purposes of the regulations, what exactly is a "device"?  If the
actual tranceiver is approved (and I assume it is), does that carry
approval for a phone using it?

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Re: FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Jim Thompson 

Jason Elwell wrote:

Jim,
Question: Do the regulations govern devices that are offered for sale in the 
US, but not devices that are sold by an off-shore company to people in the 
US?


I was under the impression that any electronic device sold for use in the USA 
has to be cleared by the FCC.


Customs tends to stop them at the border.

Nothing prevents you from carrying one (or perhaps two or three) in with 
you, of course.  Technically, its a violation, but you'll never be caught.


But if you try to import a box of twenty, US Customs will check them, 
and you'll need to file the requisite paperwork showing that they do, 
indeed, conform to FCC regs, including the requisite agency approvals, etc.


Jim

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Re: FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Jason Elwell 
Jim,
Question: Do the regulations govern devices that are offered for sale in the 
US, but not devices that are sold by an off-shore company to people in the 
US?

I was under the impression that any electronic device sold for use in the USA 
has to be cleared by the FCC.

-Jason


On Sunday 20 May 2007 15:52:06 Jim Thompson wrote:
> Duncan Hudson wrote:
> > Just read that the iPhone was granted FCC approval.  I asked along time
> > ago, has the OpenMoko FCC certification process even begun yet?  No FCC
> > approval, no license to sell the product in the US...
>
> Its not a "license".  You can't sell, or offer to sell a device subject
> to the FCC regs in the US without either marking (in a rules-compliant
> manner) the FCC compliance information (not all devices are
> "certified"), or affixing a label that says, "this device is not
> FCC-certified, and is not offered for sale", in order to even *show* one
> at a venue such as a trade show.
>
> Violation is subject to a fine of up to $10,000 per occurrence.
>
> Personally, I get a 'vibe' that Sean doesn't think the phone will sell
> (at least for a while) in the US... for whatever reason.
>
> Jim
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Re: FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Jim Thompson 

Duncan Hudson wrote:
Just read that the iPhone was granted FCC approval.  I asked along time 
ago, has the OpenMoko FCC certification process even begun yet?  No FCC 
approval, no license to sell the product in the US...


Its not a "license".  You can't sell, or offer to sell a device subject 
to the FCC regs in the US without either marking (in a rules-compliant 
manner) the FCC compliance information (not all devices are 
"certified"), or affixing a label that says, "this device is not 
FCC-certified, and is not offered for sale", in order to even *show* one 
at a venue such as a trade show.


Violation is subject to a fine of up to $10,000 per occurrence.

Personally, I get a 'vibe' that Sean doesn't think the phone will sell 
(at least for a while) in the US... for whatever reason.


Jim

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http://barcamp.org/MobileCampNYC

2007-05-20 Thread Dean Collins 
One of the best things about living in New York or more and more
"Silicon Alley" is the amount of really cool technology conferences that
are on.
On Saturday i got to share some time with about 100 or so amazing people
at http://barcamp.org/MobileCampNYC

 

Post here if you want to read more

http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/mobilecampnyc.html

 

 

One of the interesting takeaways that I got from the event (among
others) was no one there had heard of the FIC or OpenMoko.

 

 

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P.S. Sorry if this is a dupe - sent it a few hours but haven't seen it
turn up on the list yet.

 

 

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FCC Approval

2007-05-20 Thread Duncan Hudson 
Just read that the iPhone was granted FCC approval.  I asked along time 
ago, has the OpenMoko FCC certification process even begun yet?  No FCC 
approval, no license to sell the product in the US...


Dunc

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MobileCampNYC

2007-05-20 Thread Dean Collins 
One of the best things about living in New York or more and more
"Silicon Alley" is the amount of really cool technology conferences that
are on.
On Saturday i got to share some time with about 100 or so amazing people
at http://barcamp.org/MobileCampNYC

 

Post here if you want to read more

http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/mobilecampnyc.html

 

 

One of the interesting takeaways that I got from the event (among
others) was no one there had heard of the FIC or OpenMoko.

 

 

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