Re: [openmoko-announce] Some light ahead...
Tried that on openSUSE 10.2 Instructions do not work - after installing apt4rpm apt-get is not available?? On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 11:23 -0500, Steven ** wrote: Have you already find the MokoMakefile? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile -Steven On 6/12/07, Ivan -sk8- Chavero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to start developing apps for openmoko but i haven't being able to find any tools for that. i have browsed the wiki, projects and the other sections of the website and no luck. I'm interested on developing some thin client apps on the openmoko framework as a proof of concept for my masters thesis on low coupled distributed applications so it would be great if somebody could give me some links for the documentation and developer tools. P.D. I also want to purchase a phone it looks like a very interesting combination technology and philosophy!! thanks in advance. Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, We owe you all an update as to our status. Here it goes... Last week we finished 200 devices. Of these about 50 seem to have some problems but the rest are functionally complete, tested, and ready to go. We know the source of the problems for the 50 that failed and this is already corrected. This is great news because it means we can finally start to move out of engineering sample mode and into real production! These first 150 (or so) devices will go to phase 0 developers and our internal / external developers -- of which many still don't even have phones! Oh and Imre Kaloz gets a freed phone, too. Thanks for being the first to tell us about Atheros. We're almost for sure going to use their AR6K chipset in our next product. We must forewarn you all that we're having some supply issues with our 2.8 VGA LCM. Our vendor has had more than their fair share of troubles moving this LCM into mass production. We have some in stock now. But this might be the major bottleneck moving forward. There are only a few companies currently making LCMs of this size and resolution. Finally, we've already begun moving production into one of our factories in mainland China. There are two runs scheduled now: May 10th and May 20th. We're going to take those runs a bit slow just to make sure the quality is high. And then starting in June, things can run full speed. Thanks again for your continued support and patience. The light at the end of the tunnel is getting a little brighter :-) Sincerely, The Core Team ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) There were several delays, And wait, and wait. And it never shows up. Then you get back on the phone and eventually you find another parts distributor. Since then, I've started taking delivery dates with a pretty large grain of salt. I have a story about an embedded automation device where in the end heavily modded Buffalo and Linksys wireless routers were used. Not bc they were all that well suited for the task, but because they were pretty available and had most of the parts already on them. People do funny things to meet deadlines :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
Attila Csipa wrote: On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) guitar tuner? There were several delays, And wait, and wait. And it never shows up. Then you get back on the phone and eventually you find another parts distributor. Since then, I've started taking delivery dates with a pretty large grain of salt. I have a story about an embedded automation device where in the end heavily modded Buffalo and Linksys wireless routers were used. Not bc they were all that well suited for the task, but because they were pretty available and had most of the parts already on them. People do funny things to meet deadlines :) parts on them... and the software is mostly done too! This is the only worrisome thing to me. Nobody has seen the software. jim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:21:36 Jim Thompson wrote: parts on them... and the software is mostly done too! This is the only worrisome thing to me. Nobody has seen the software. Uhm the SVN is public and people actively run the software in qemu? pgpcczpM28B9b.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Air War - WallSteet Journal June 14, 2007
Today's WSJ has an article on the frontpage about US wireless carriers and device makers being in conflict over the features that consumers are actually offered. I look forward to OpenMoko changing the wireless landscape forever Mark -- Dangling carrots usually contain a hook. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) guitar tuner? i have to admit, this caught my eye too and set me wondering. i know you said don't ask, butwhat? i'm intrigued ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On 6/13/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: denis wrote: That is something I would like to know as well. The statement ist not really clear and seems to be very misterious. I don't know. In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this device? I'm beginning to feel (as was eluded to in others' posts months ago) that this is vaporware, and that we are just being strung along. Flame me all you want, but until I have something in my hot little hand how can I possibly be led to believe anything else at this point? I understand your concern. I have at the moment 2 Neo1973 pre-production handsets in my hand. So if this is vaporware they are *really* going the extra mile to make it look convincing. Is there anything I can do to put your mind at ease? Will photos of opening it help, so you can see it really is not just a bunch of plastic? /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's. Ole Tange wrote: I understand your concern. I have at the moment 2 Neo1973 pre-production handsets in my hand. So if this is vaporware they are *really* going the extra mile to make it look convincing. Is there anything I can do to put your mind at ease? Will photos of opening it help, so you can see it really is not just a bunch of plastic? /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
I was the manager of software architecture for Gibson Audio. And among other things, was responsible for overseeing the software development for the Wurlitzer Digital Jukebox. Despite winning awards at CES as an innovative new product, management couldn't find the sweet spot in terms of manufacturing cost, market size and retail price. The last I heard, the Wurli was put out to pasture last year, so we'll never see it on store shelves. Gibson has taken down the Gibson Audio site, but there are still a few reviews from online magazines and the like: http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2011 http://www.stuffmagazine.com/gear/product.aspx?id=184 http://www.shows.soundstagelive.com/shows/avtour2005/sep09b/gibson_1.jpg http://www.shows.soundstagelive.com/shows/avtour2005/sep09b/gibson_2.jpg The last link is a picture of the custom remote control we developed for the device. If you look at the previous pictures, it might seem that there's an integrated LCD on the main unit. But.. that's not the case... it's just where the remote docks. For the benefit of list members, I'll share a few words of wisdom about product design. 1. For the purposes of building a custom mobile application, WinCE is not a completely bad operating system; but the tools really suck. 2. Get your WiFi chip vendors to prove they actually have drivers for your operating system and CPU. Better yet, get the source code for the drivers! 3. It takes three times as long if you outsource your software development to Elbonia. 4. If you outsource your software development, don't outsource your QA. In fact, doing Test First or Test Driven Development is a really, really good idea. This way you have an unequivocal tool to demonstrate you're getting what you ask for. 5. Consider DECT instead of WiFi. It doesn't have the same bandwidth, but power consumption and interference robustness seems to be a little better, and... 6. When you test your WiFi enabled device, ensure there's a microwave oven near where you're testing. (i.e. - don't forget to test your device in something approaching real-world conditions.) -Cheers -Matt H. On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) guitar tuner? i have to admit, this caught my eye too and set me wondering. i know you said don't ask, butwhat? i'm intrigued ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Matthew S. Hamrick * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://hbmobile.org/users/msh/ 0xEAF9791E B075 933B B620 1374 4202 8A6E 8A9B 6141 EAF9 791E ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
I understand your concern. I have at the moment 2 Neo1973 pre-production handsets in my hand. So if this is vaporware they are *really* going the extra mile to make it look convincing. Is there anything I can do to put your mind at ease? Will photos of opening it help, so you can see it really is not just a bunch of plastic? Call him from one of the handsets :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
