Re: Significant Numbers of Non-Developers?
Ortwin Regel wrote: Order #1833 here and not a developer at all. My last Linux experience was that I changed the screen resolution in Suse 9 to something that didn't work and wasn't able to change it back and get back to the GUI. :P Still, I need this phone and I need it now. It's the phone I've been waiting for for about four years. Ortwin, with such strong feelings, I need this phone and I need it now, you must have certain specific requirements for putting it to use. Certainly we all have our wish list with lots of far out ideas but what do you need to phone to do first, to meet these four-year-pent-up demands, from before the OpenMoko even existed? Basically you're speaking as someone frustrated with something in particular. I hope people will help me if I'm stuck in some scary command line. ;) Certainly I'll help. I'm hoping to produce a series of screencasts about the phone. My first, just an overview for those wondering what the heck an OpenMoko is that I gave last week at the local DFW Unix Users group, can be found at: http://www.showmedo.com/videos/video?name=104fromSeriesID=104 I'm planning a talk on the hardware, and another on the underlying software architecture. In my mind, I divide the audience into those who are system programmers (kernel/driver folks) and those who are application programmers (high-level lang + defined service interfaces). Besides being an embedded systems engineer, I'm also the advocacy coordinator for Python and hope to encourage and support those who want to build their apps using Python. -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: An idea for an advertisement
Sudharshan, I think that's a great idea. I wonder if it will bring up memories of Apple's 1984 campaign and whether that would be a good or bad thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 Cheers, Alex -- [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ][ http://genaud.net ][ 55.67N 12.588E ] [ B068 ED90 F47B 0965 2953 9FC3 EE9C C4D5 3E51 A207 ] -- Videresendt meddelelse -- From: Sudharshan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:48:31 +0530 Subject: An idea for an advertisement Hi all, I have an idea for an advertisement featuring Openmoko. Be gentle with the flames though. A dude dressed in t-shirt and jeans (deja-vu?), walks through a crowded lane. Everyone except him are dressed in prison clothes and march in the opposite direction with their closed phones, some of the guys look at this free man and stare. To add to the effect we play an ambient techno music and everything is white in colour. The man walks in front of the camera, at that moment, gets a call, smiles and says Hello World..., We then fade into the Free your phone and OpenMoko thingy as seen in the rocking youtube videos. If only I had a camera? =(. Of course we could use the neos that are about to be shipped for the ad. I am not sure if any ad similar to this has been done before, Comments and flames? Regards Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hooks in Base Code
Hans L wrote: Hey folks, Great discussion going on here. I've been putting a lot of thought into the issue too, so I figured I'd add my two cents. [...] Yep this is very similar to what I'm thinking of. Given that we're all pretty close to what we think we need it's probably time to put something on the Wiki. I've put an initial page at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Extension_Framework so if people can make any additions that they wish there it would be easier to track and get us to the stage where we can get the buy-in of the openmoko team and start laying down some code. There are a few things that you mentioned here that I haven't yet covered in the Wiki such as profiles, use of the configuration GUI and the like so if you want to flesh them out on that page it would be much appreciated. Cheers, Jim. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;) - me too
Me too. Looks like they broke the logjam! Ian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;)
what's your rt.internal number ? waiting eagerly :) Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: ...and shipping cost are LOWER than previously mentioned on the page: Your credit card has now been charged by the following amount: Subtotal: $300 USD Shipping: $67.89 USD Total: $367.89 USD Please note that this amount might be less than what was originally mentioned in the webshop, since we meanwhile got better shipping rates! This means that we will now send out your order ASAP. You will receive another status update once the order has been sent out. Way to go OpenMoko! cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;)
2007/7/21, Peter Trapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: what's your rt.internal number ? waiting eagerly :) It is #1921. I forgot to tell that the sending costs are $30 lower than mentioned in web shop (I'm from Poland). cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OK, the forum is coming..
i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations said by other people.. So i'm going to create a forum. Now, i can set up the forum but i'd need people who want to moderate, and some graphics suggestions. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. If anyone is doing/wants to do the same thing, please advice me (in ml or private address); otherwise, who loves forum follows me. i'll wait some days before start. Valerio, Italy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;)
Marco Crociani - Tyrael wrote: I got charged too! Shipping: $54.22 USD Originally it was 77USD. I'm in Italy. Lucky man! ;-) My order # is 18xx and I'm still waiting for being charged.. :-( Cheers, Stefano. -- Stefano Sanna - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal web site: http://www.gerdavax.it AIM: gerdavax - Skype: gerdavax - Callsign: IS0DZE ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;)
On 21 Jul 2007, at 16:06, Stefano Sanna wrote: Originally it was 77USD. I'm in Italy. Lucky man! ;-) My order # is 18xx and I'm still waiting for being charged.. :-( I would imagine they are going through the YES_I_DO emails in the order they were received back. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;)
FIC/openmoko did a create job :) many persons (incl me) are waiting to get charged on their credit cards like a small child shortly before christmas... Krzysztof Kajkowski schrieb: ...and shipping cost are LOWER than previously mentioned on the page: Your credit card has now been charged by the following amount: Subtotal: $300 USD Shipping: $67.89 USD Total: $367.89 USD Please note that this amount might be less than what was originally mentioned in the webshop, since we meanwhile got better shipping rates! This means that we will now send out your order ASAP. You will receive another status update once the order has been sent out. Way to go OpenMoko! cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;) - me too
Me too, they've broke #2060. UPS doesn't ship on Saturday so lets hope this means a big truck full will be picked up on Monday. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Am 21.07.2007 um 16:46 schrieb Valerio Bruno: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. Me too - it is not important if it is good or bad or forum vs. list. It is important that there are enough community members who want to have it *in addition* to this list. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations said by other people.. agreed! So i'm going to create a forum. Well, I would suggest to use the existing Open Embedded forum (previously this was the Zaurus User Group): www.oesf.org and ask to create new subsections there ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
I agree, a forum is a good idea! More organized and easier searched (without putting that job entirely on the user's end) than a mailing list. I prefer PHPbb, definitely. Invision is more fancy, but I am always seeing those things screw up. Bye, -Dylan McCall On 7/21/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations said by other people.. So i'm going to create a forum. Now, i can set up the forum but i'd need people who want to moderate, and some graphics suggestions. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. If anyone is doing/wants to do the same thing, please advice me (in ml or private address); otherwise, who loves forum follows me. i'll wait some days before start. Valerio, Italy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
A quick search on google showed this: http://www.midgard-project.org/discussion/developer-forum/forum-to-mailing_list_integration/ I think whatever official openmoko supported communication technique is used needs to allow users the ability to choose how they access the information. There is no reason ml and forums cannot access the same backend so that users of the system can choose whether they want to communicate via ml or forum. My 2c Jae ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing...
Hello, On 7/21/07, Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in OpenMoko as something they care about. Don't do rthat then. As in don't limit the marketing to only focus on the Open part. The Open part will only get to the people who are really, interested anyway. I guess reading the article before commenting on it would be too much to ask? Well, I *did* read the article. I don't agree with the author. He speaks of people's values - we should not focus too much on that, instead we should focus on finding the next must have uses for the phone. Values like fair trade are like fashions - they change every three to six months. IMHO. -- Regards, Torfinn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Hello, On 7/21/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. I couldn't care less about which system to choose, but I have one wish; make it as fast and usable as possible, nd make it work flawlessly with Firefox and Opera. I guess asking for a forum -- NNTP gateway would be asking too much? -- Regards, Torfinn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: An idea for an advertisement
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 11:08:47AM +0200, Martin Straub wrote: [...] Anyway, Openmoko seems to become well-known without further action =-O The picture attached is from the weekend journal of a major Austrian newspaper (Kurier). The text basically says: The Openmoko platform is the basic element of a new series of mobile phones utilizing open source software. Hence you can adapt the software to your needs. The first mobile phone of this series is the Neo1973 which can be ordered for EUR 220. The price given is correct for Europe (w/o shipping). But I think before advertising there should be a product ready for the mass market, which obviously is not the case right now. I think we have some months left designing advertising campaigns. Yes indeed. At this point I'm beginning to seriously worry that there may be too *much* publicity, not too little. Having our phone die because of a backlash from unrealistic expectations would be a really bad thing. There is a *large* population of users who are sick to death of phone company lock-in bullshit. Our phone doesn't need a lot of advertising to succeed. It doesn't even need a killer-app -- what it really needs, at the beginning, is well-done basic cell phone functionality. The initial set of applications should be simple and bullet-proof. Given the open framework, other things will come in time, but when the first consumer reviews come in, it will be death if they say great idea, but I can't make a phone call, and the directory management was too awkward for me to figure out. Kent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing... aGPS uses
Hello, On 7/21/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! That's a wonderful list you made! I have one doubt though - how well would that AGPS chip work, especially in buildings. I have Garmin GPS which does not get signal reception if anything is between it and GPS satellite so it does not work in my appartment or shows locations with massive error. Does anyone tested AGPS yet? Not tested, but I read on a Norwegian mobile phone news site about someone with a Nokia phone with GPS. Recently Nokia had enabled the AGPS functionality in the phone through a software update, and after that this person was able to get a GPS fix inside his apartment. Before (without AGPS) he hadn't been able to get a fix inside at all. I guess it depends on the hardware. -- Regards, Torfinn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler Not for me because it doesn't provide a threaded view, scoring etc. There's nothing more comfortable than reading this list in your favorite news reader by Gmane. - could be a central point for developers too! I hope not because it horribly uncomfortable to read. I don't really care which forum software you use, but then at least it should provide a mailing list gateway for people who don't want to use a forum. And btw, you actually *can* already use this list as a web forum if you want, and actually in a really comfortale way: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community So why splitting up everything into two worlds? Sebastian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess asking for a forum -- NNTP gateway would be asking too much? No: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing... aGPS uses
On 7/21/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/7/21, Adam Krikstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: AGPS is where focus needs to be. This natural (and free) comparative advantage needs to be developed to attract new developers and customers. 5. Auto sync location dependent - arrive at home wifi/bt turn on and attempt to sync, sync when movement is sensed in the morning Hi! That's a wonderful list you made! I have one doubt though - how well would that AGPS chip work, especially in buildings. I have Garmin GPS which does not get signal reception if anything is between it and GPS satellite so it does not work in my appartment or shows locations with massive error. Does anyone tested AGPS yet? You can see it working inside a building (FIC headquarters) on YouTube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5D6i6vLlhGA Joe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
On Saturday 21 July 2007, Valerio Bruno wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations said by other people.. So i'm going to create a forum. Three cheers for that man. I definitely think a forum is a good idea. I have been a list subscriber for the past 6 months or so, and just recently the traffic has got rather high. I shudder to think what it would be like in November with thousands of newbies out there asking questions. I don't think we should close the list or the Wiki, just divert some of the newbee questions, and discussons of soft issues like advertising away from the list. Forums are also good because you can easily add links embedded images. Rather than having lots of stickys in each sub forum, I think it would be better to move HOW-TOs, FAQs etc to the Wiki, and then just have one sticky with links to them. Now, i can set up the forum but i'd need people who want to moderate, and some graphics suggestions. I don't mind being a moderator. I won't have time to moderate all the time though. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. Personally I am familiar with phpBB, but not Invision, so that would be my preference. -- David Pottage ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;) - me too
I just got charged also, #2085, Shipping: $8.56 USD to Canada, can't wait :D Jay M Mark wrote: Me too, they've broke #2060. UPS doesn't ship on Saturday so lets hope this means a big truck full will be picked up on Monday. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
700Mhz Spectrum
Great article here about the concept of open spectrum I posted a few weeks ago. Could be very very interesting. http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2007/07/20/google_fcc/ Maybe an Asterisk/OpenMoko tie-in? Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I got charged ;) -me too!
#2081, and I am in total suspense! Kyle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: An idea for an advertisement
I agree with Kent, the fundamental functionality needs to be rock solid. OpenMoko isn't just representing free phones, it also is representing (embedded) Linux. Before the consumer version is commercially advertised, we need things like calling, SMS, and contact management. On another note, since advertising is also very important, I feel ad development should begin soon, and not wait until we need it. See how it goes...I like the idea. Publish a *beta commercial. We'll watch it. :) Kyle On 7/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 11:08:47AM +0200, Martin Straub wrote: [...] Anyway, Openmoko seems to become well-known without further action =-O The picture attached is from the weekend journal of a major Austrian newspaper (Kurier). The text basically says: The Openmoko platform is the basic element of a new series of mobile phones utilizing open source software. Hence you can adapt the software to your needs. The first mobile phone of this series is the Neo1973 which can be ordered for EUR 220. The price given is correct for Europe (w/o shipping). But I think before advertising there should be a product ready for the mass market, which obviously is not the case right now. I think we have some months left designing advertising campaigns. Yes indeed. At this point I'm beginning to seriously worry that there may be too *much* publicity, not too little. Having our phone die because of a backlash from unrealistic expectations would be a really bad thing. There is a *large* population of users who are sick to death of phone company lock-in bullshit. Our phone doesn't need a lot of advertising to succeed. It doesn't even need a killer-app -- what it really needs, at the beginning, is well-done basic cell phone functionality. The initial set of applications should be simple and bullet-proof. Given the open framework, other things will come in time, but when the first consumer reviews come in, it will be death if they say great idea, but I can't make a phone call, and the directory management was too awkward for me to figure out. Kent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
On 7/21/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations said by other people.. So i'm going to create a forum. Now, i can set up the forum but i'd need people who want to moderate, and some graphics suggestions. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. If anyone is doing/wants to do the same thing, please advice me (in ml or private address); otherwise, who loves forum follows me. i'll wait some days before start. Valerio, Italy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I have no problem moderating as well. I prefer phpBB, since I have experience with it. We definitely need a forum to direct some of the more user-base questions that way... All for it. Kyle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: An idea for an advertisement
On Saturday 21 July 2007 08:18, Sudharshan S wrote: Hi all, I have an idea for an advertisement featuring Openmoko. Be gentle with the flames though. I particularly liked the 'Hello World' part ... :D I had something in mind that was rather simplistic but could easily form a series of ads : Scene is set in a garage. Closeup of a mechanic trying to put the wheel nuts on, keeps dropping them, can't get them threaded etc camera zooms out to reveal that the wheel is triangular.. voiceover says: Imagine having no choice. You wouldn't buy a car that took away your choice... ... would you? crossfade to openmoko logo + free your phone Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Werner hinted at an official forums.openmoko.org. If people would just want something temporary, I could probably get an FIC or Linux subform created at http://www.howardforums.com/ (500,000 members). There are developers and network engineers that post there that can result in great threads; however, as a warning the overall userbase has become younger over the years. Regardless of age, I have not found a better user resource if you want to do anything with a phone. I'm amazed at what people can create to get around current carrier restrictions. Valerio Bruno wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations said by other people.. So i'm going to create a forum. Now, i can set up the forum but i'd need people who want to moderate, and some graphics suggestions. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. If anyone is doing/wants to do the same thing, please advice me (in ml or private address); otherwise, who loves forum follows me. i'll wait some days before start. Valerio, Italy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
With news readers in mind, I have one wish for the forums: Really good syndication, either with RSS or Atom feeds. On 7/21/07, Adam Krikstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner hinted at an official forums.openmoko.org. If people would just want something temporary, I could probably get an FIC or Linux subform created at http://www.howardforums.com/ (500,000 members). There are developers and network engineers that post there that can result in great threads; however, as a warning the overall userbase has become younger over the years. Regardless of age, I have not found a better user resource if you want to do anything with a phone. I'm amazed at what people can create to get around current carrier restrictions. Valerio Bruno wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations said by other people.. So i'm going to create a forum. Now, i can set up the forum but i'd need people who want to moderate, and some graphics suggestions. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. If anyone is doing/wants to do the same thing, please advice me (in ml or private address); otherwise, who loves forum follows me. i'll wait some days before start. Valerio, Italy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OK, the forum is coming..
Howard forums rock - so definitely a good location for it. No offence to the OpenMoko guys but if it was important and they were going to put up a forum then should have been done a while ago. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Krikstone Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2007 2:38 PM To: OpenMoko Subject: Re: OK, the forum is coming.. Werner hinted at an official forums.openmoko.org. If people would just want something temporary, I could probably get an FIC or Linux subform created at http://www.howardforums.com/ (500,000 members). There are developers and network engineers that post there that can result in great threads; however, as a warning the overall userbase has become younger over the years. Regardless of age, I have not found a better user resource if you want to do anything with a phone. I'm amazed at what people can create to get around current carrier restrictions. Valerio Bruno wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations said by other people.. So i'm going to create a forum. Now, i can set up the forum but i'd need people who want to moderate, and some graphics suggestions. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. If anyone is doing/wants to do the same thing, please advice me (in ml or private address); otherwise, who loves forum follows me. i'll wait some days before start. Valerio, Italy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Sebastian Krause wrote: Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess asking for a forum -- NNTP gateway would be asking too much? No: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community Hey, that was very nifty indeed! Lets see if this is a two-way gateway as well. -- Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Another article at The Inquirer
The crew over at The Inquirer have posted another article about OpenMoko. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41147 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Sebastian Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not for me because it doesn't provide a threaded view, scoring etc. I don't understand your sentence. Forums haven't threaded view ?! Anyway... And btw, you actually *can* already use this list as a web forum if you want, and actually in a really comfortale way: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community So why splitting up everything into two worlds? Well, I didn't mind that openmoko mailing lists would be recorded in gmane; i admit that gmane interface is enough forum-like and comfortable for me. Why don't you say it 50 messages ago? ;p I've referred gmane web interfaces in Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_resources#Mailing_Lists but it should be referred in mailing lists page too: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ so new users haven't to discover. By the way, in the long run we'll need a real, user-friendly forum to address non-tech-friendly user. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
On 22 Jul 2007, at 00:31, Valerio Bruno wrote By the way, in the long run we'll need a real, user-friendly forum to address non-tech-friendly user. The number of these users can me minimised by having a very good manual. I know that people don't read manuals often but that's because troubleshooting sections are always stuck at the back. Have a special separate troubleshooting manual and they may read it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
On 7/22/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The number of these users can me minimised by having a very good manual. We can all start it and then publish it easily with a online publisher like lulu. http://www.lulu.com/ http://www.lulu.com/author/create.php By the way, does FIC plan to make money out of the neo ? Like selling manuals ? Or whatever ? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
On 22 Jul 2007, at 01:13, Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote: By the way, does FIC plan to make money out of the neo ? Like selling manuals ? Or whatever ? They'll make money on the hardware. Developing a good smartphone OS costs quite a bit of money. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
The COGS on this phone should be around $100-110. FIC will make money, but won't make a lot of money unless they sell a lot of them. They are leveraging their expertise, manufacturing, and if they manufacture something that doesn't sell, that is wasted manufacturing resources. I think the business plan for them is to enable developers who want to make a better phone/PDA than the pieces of crap on the market. I had a Sony Ericcsson phone on Cingular and I could create my own ring tones and down load them. I have a RAZR on T-Mobile and they will only let me buy ringtones. This is a brain dead phone/company combo. If dev heads make a better product (a product being a solution to a customer's problem) they will sell phones. --Dan On 7/21/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Jul 2007, at 01:13, Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote: By the way, does FIC plan to make money out of the neo ? Like selling manuals ? Or whatever ? They'll make money on the hardware. Developing a good smartphone OS costs quite a bit of money. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 700Mhz Spectrum
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Dean et al.,
I had a very similar reaction to the 700MHz auction debate.
It seems like a potentially incredible opportunity for openmoko,
asterisk or any number of open platform wireless tech. The FCC is
mandated by Congress to get this auction done quickly, but don't hold
your breath; ATT and other members of the telco/cable duopoly in
broadband provision aren't going to sit by and let Google dictate
auction terms to the FCC. Nevertheless, couldn't hurt to ask Google
(and other potential auction winners) what they're going to do with it
and how, if they get it.
It'll happen awfully fast and it'd be great to see OpenMoko on top of
things IF the FCC accepts some Open Access requirements for the spectrum.
Best,
Mischa
Dean Collins wrote:
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Great article here about the concept of open spectrum I posted a
few weeks ago. Could be very very interesting.
http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2007/07/20/google_fcc/
Maybe an Asterisk/OpenMoko tie-in?
Regards,
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Re: 700Mhz Spectrum
On Sunday 22 July 2007 06:16:35 Mischa Beitz wrote: Dean et al., I had a very similar reaction to the 700MHz auction debate. It seems like a potentially incredible opportunity for openmoko, asterisk or any number of open platform wireless tech. The FCC is mandated by Congress to get this auction done quickly, but don't hold your breath; ATT and other members of the telco/cable duopoly in broadband provision aren't going to sit by and let Google dictate auction terms to the FCC. Nevertheless, couldn't hurt to ask Google (and other potential auction winners) what they're going to do with it and how, if they get it. It'll happen awfully fast and it'd be great to see OpenMoko on top of things IF the FCC accepts some Open Access requirements for the spectrum. for some reason im not expecting that to happen (the open access thingy). also, even if it happens. this is only the usa. ok so its a big market, but does anyone know what that area of frequency is used for in other nations? will a device that have the ability to transmitt on said frequency risk being illegal in other parts of the world? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
