Re: VMWare-Image (again)
Hi all, Sorry, I was busy and saw this message just today. I'm currently downloading the new image, and I will provide a new torrent ASAP (even if few really use it!) 2007/8/28, George Barta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: New .rar image is now available at http://www.gcbdev.net/openmoko/OpenMoko_VMWare_2007-AUG-26.rar On 8/26/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I think it could be the right time to provide updated VMWare image with OM 2007.2 I have previuos one and I'm still trying to update it but OM does not compile because 15GB is not enough space! Now I resized vmdk to 20GB and in couple of hours I may finally succed. Anyway, could you make another image with OM 2007.2 so that newcommers would not have to deal with resing images and compilation by themselves? I could seed it as ussual ;) cheers cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feature status page
So, where is this page ? :-) On 8/29/07, Jacques Poulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Is there a page somewhere that gives the status of the different features usually found on a phone for the Openmoko project ? I got very excited when I saw my first article about the phone, and I did join this mailing list to try to stay current about its development, but I now realize that all I want it to know when most of the features I want are functional. I'm sure people could add to this list, but here's what's at the top of my head : - can make a call (cellular) - can receive a call (cellular) - can make a call (wifi) - can receive a call (wifi) - can send an email - can receive an email - can send a text message - can receive a text message - can manage contacts - can browse the web Statuses could be Under development, Testing, and Stable... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Mickael. Coding an AI ! http://faivrem.googlepages.com/antbattle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02v1 vs GTA02v2
Hi Marco, I didn't ask the diferences between GTA01Bv4 and GTA02. It was between GTA02v1 and GTA02v2. Thnaks, Rui On 8/30/07, Marco Barreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 07:21:03AM +0100, thus spake Rui Castro: Hi everybody, Can anyone tell me what the differences will be between GTA02v1 and GTA02v2? And if GTA02v1 will be on sale for developers? I am planning on buying 2 Neos, one for me and one for my girlfriend. If GTA02v1 will turn out to be a usable device I could buy a GTA02v1 for development and later generic use and one GTA02v2. Best regards, Rui Castro Here is the wiki page with the comparison: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison Probably the most relevant things are addition of WiFi and the accelerometer. Next most relevant are a better battery and more flash memory. Marco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Hi Alan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, Your response here to Joe was uncalled for and frankly, rude. I also resent the implication that I and others are disgruntled whiners. While gentleman may agree or disagree, there is little to no call for this kind response to such a minor observation or suggestion. My point is starting this topic was to bring attention to the fact that probably 500 to 1000 potential developers were likely to get saddled with GTA01 phones right before the GTA02s were released and that FIC staff were not providing sufficient information about likely delivery dates. We are volunteers TRYING to put up our time and money to move this along, but due to understandable circumstances many of us are being left out. FIC should be more open about the schedules if they expect volunteers to contribute time and effort. It would also be quite understandable for a potential developer to be annoyed that he just payed for a GTA01 and the GTA02 come out within days. FIC should proactivly mitigate this possible scenario. I really wish we could give more accurate timing information. But please understand that what you're seeing is a product being built from scratch. We're not using reference designs. We're not using 3rd party software. We're doing this from scratch. And _very_ publicly. You can track on code and comments every day if you like. We don't hide anything. Bugs and all. Product development is messy. There are literally hundreds of components in this device, all needing to be sourced with different lead times from different vendors. If SDRAM becomes scarce, we suffer. If a vendor has yield problems, so we do we. I encourage you (and everyone else) to see this project for what it is -- a truly unique opportunity to take part in the development of an open phone. This is a personal dream of mine for years. Even though we've had our fair share of delays, I'm still incredibly excited about where we stand now. Your support, by buying hardware, or just making constructive comments, will allow us to grow and help change this industry. We're still small now, but we've got grand plans ;-) More on the future shape of the Neo... Another reason to square off the bottom is to make it stand up on a flat surface or MORE IMPORTANTLY, sit upright in an off-the-shelf bluetooth mini keyboard. You should not be restricted to landscape mode useage when off device keyboarding. Remember, were not just talking about a PHONE here, but portable microcomputing. Try to think more about the complexity of this device. I don't know of a single microcomputer that has 4 RF systems. FIC makes millions of computers a year. I can promise you that it's significantly easier for us to build a computer than a phone. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Product development is messy. There are literally hundreds of components in this device, all needing to be sourced with different lead times from different vendors. If SDRAM becomes scarce, we suffer. If a vendor has yield problems, so we do we. I encourage you (and everyone else) to see this project for what it is -- a truly unique opportunity to take part in the development of an open phone. This is a personal dream of mine for years. Even though we've had our fair share of delays, I'm still incredibly excited about where we stand now. Your support, by buying hardware, or just making constructive comments, will allow us to grow and help change this industry. We're still small now, but we've got grand plans ;-) I worked in non-electronic consumer product development (many years ago) and even that's messy; I can just imagine the intricacies of trying to ship something with that many supplier dependencies when you don't have the supplier pull of somebody like Dell or Lenovo. Even though I'm not a linux kernel hacker, I'm glad to be part of this project in my own little way. If you just want to buy a phone that will work for you today, this is NOT (yet) the project for you; go to your corner telephone store. If you want to have a chance at changing the way the cell phone game works, maybe this is the project for you. But it will take time. Thanks to everybody at OpenMoko! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Nice reply. Sorry I started all this, technically, because I replied to his inquiry and he quote my reply in his email. Did I say anything wrong there? -Liane Your support, by buying hardware, or just making constructive comments, will allow us to grow and help change this industry. We're still small now, but we've got grand plans ;-) Try to think more about the complexity of this device. I don't know of a single microcomputer that has 4 RF systems. FIC makes millions of computers a year. I can promise you that it's significantly easier for us to build a computer than a phone. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Hi, - On 8/31/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | If you just want to buy a phone that will | work for you today, this is NOT (yet) the project for you; \-- I think the OpenMoko team should write an article similar to the following: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm something like Neo1973 is NOT like other phones, and just use the article for future references. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX
Hi! Has anyone tried to get OpenMoko work on a Palm TX? Did I need a *.ext2 image or is it also possible to use the *.jffs2 image? Stephan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
On 8/31/07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice reply. Sorry I started all this, technically, because I replied to his inquiry and he quote my reply in his email. Did I say anything wrong there? No problem. I find this thread quite interesting ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I encourage you (and everyone else) to see this project for what it is -- a truly unique opportunity to take part in the development of an open phone. This is a personal dream of mine for years. Even though we've had our fair share of delays, I'm still incredibly excited about where we stand now. These are very true and wise words and my fear is that the community criticizing FIC without justification is going to risk closing doors. It is difficult enough to get Linux support from vendors and FIC do not need to hear the kind of rants which were encountered in this thread. My company intend to use a lot of these, therefore as a prospective customer/developer I dont want to hear rants against FIC as it send the wrong message. The community should learn not to bite the hand that feeds it. A true developer interested in development, will not parade a community with posts lambasting it's sponsor FIC. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Jeremy G wrote: Excellent, very well written rebuttal! Please let us know if you get any sort of response. :-) Probably worth a cc to the forum on the site. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Excellent, very well written rebuttal! Please let us know if you get any sort of response. :-) J. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Great work - but somehow I don't believe that Daniel will publish a full correction on his page. Nevertheless, this could help to reduce the confusions in future. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Sean Thank you for taking the time to respond. I know how busy you are and your taking the time to address my comments is much appreciated. Your response reminded me of something once taught to me by a man I once worked for and much admired, Dr. Russ Turner, former CEO of United Space Alliance, now retired. He told me that when you have to withhold information from someone, be honest about it and always take the time to explain why it has to be withheld. Also, when you simply don't have the information, let the inquirer know when you likely will have it. This two simple rules go a long way toward keeping people working together effectively. If I abused the Community inbox with my frustrations, I sincerely apologise. I felt it necessary to call attention to the fact that the community was now split into two camps, the haves and have nots. As one of the have nots, I was frustrated with the inability to participate due to the limited quantities produced in the GTA01 runs, and even more frustrated with the lack of ANY date information on the GTA01 backorder run or even a Rough-Order-of-Magnitude date/month/quarter estimate for GTA02 availability. Also frustrating for me was that the Interest List in the wiki was not used in anyway to prioritize the orders taken and shipped. I strongly urge you to erect a GTA02 PRE-ORDER queue as soon as possible to help those left out of the GTA01 fun to get a spot in line for the GTA02. This will also help you better estimate the production demand. As for future Neo shaping... We all like and appreciate style and modernity, but form should always follow function and let's make sure we think carefully about ways that people are likely to want to use this device considering the amazing possibilities an open platform like this has. I would love to be able to whip out a blue tooth keyboard and post an entry to my much neglected blog when I have the opportunity. The freedom of Landscape or Portrait use should not be limited to handholding or to the availability of specially molded cradles. Thank you again for your hard work and please understand that I share your excitement for this project and sorry if some of my suppressed excitement got converted to frustration. Alan McSwain Original Message: - From: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:46:57 +0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order. Hi Alan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, Your response here to Joe was uncalled for and frankly, rude. I also resent the implication that I and others are disgruntled whiners. While gentleman may agree or disagree, there is little to no call for this kind response to such a minor observation or suggestion. My point is starting this topic was to bring attention to the fact that probably 500 to 1000 potential developers were likely to get saddled with GTA01 phones right before the GTA02s were released and that FIC staff were not providing sufficient information about likely delivery dates. We are volunteers TRYING to put up our time and money to move this along, but due to understandable circumstances many of us are being left out. FIC should be more open about the schedules if they expect volunteers to contribute time and effort. It would also be quite understandable for a potential developer to be annoyed that he just payed for a GTA01 and the GTA02 come out within days. FIC should proactivly mitigate this possible scenario. I really wish we could give more accurate timing information. But please understand that what you're seeing is a product being built from scratch. We're not using reference designs. We're not using 3rd party software. We're doing this from scratch. And _very_ publicly. You can track on code and comments every day if you like. We don't hide anything. Bugs and all. Product development is messy. There are literally hundreds of components in this device, all needing to be sourced with different lead times from different vendors. If SDRAM becomes scarce, we suffer. If a vendor has yield problems, so we do we. I encourage you (and everyone else) to see this project for what it is -- a truly unique opportunity to take part in the development of an open phone. This is a personal dream of mine for years. Even though we've had our fair share of delays, I'm still incredibly excited about where we stand now. Your support, by buying hardware, or just making constructive comments, will allow us to grow and help change this industry. We're still small now, but we've got grand plans ;-) More on the future shape of the Neo... Another reason to square off the bottom is to make it stand up on a flat surface or MORE IMPORTANTLY, sit upright in an off-the-shelf bluetooth mini keyboard. You should not be restricted to landscape mode useage when off device keyboarding. Remember, were not just talking about a
Re: GTA02v1 vs GTA02v2
Rui Castro wrote: Hi Marco, I didn't ask the diferences between GTA01Bv4 and GTA02. It was between GTA02v1 and GTA02v2. Since GTA02v1 and GTA02v2 are simply the first two hardware prototype versions of GTA02, and neither are available for sale, why do you want to know the difference between them. It's quite possible there will need to be one or more further hardware prototypes - unless GTA02v2 is already sales-worthy hardware-wise, which would be great news! One would expect that they both match the published specs for the GTA02 (or at least are two steps along the way to a subsequent prototype hardware rev which does match the published specs when it is ready for sale). -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: Myth Busting FTW
And what appears to be a final reply from Dan. -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Eran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Aug 31, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Myth Busting FTW To: Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mike, I have a dim view of providers overall. I also realize the US mobile system is really bad, and have written before detailing the history of how things got the way they are, as well as what problems I see specifically. I'm not trying to run down T-mobile, only pointing out that the arguments that the iPhone is tied to ATT in some bizarre and evil way are overblown. Tmobile doesn't really offer much in the US, although I'm sure things are slightly different in various regions , such as Vermont, which has no ATT service. I also made comments about the GSM/CDMA2000 split in the US, which really restricts any provider you want freedom. In other markets that are predominantly GSM (such as the EU) or CMDA2000 (such as Japan), there is more reason to demand vendor neutrality. I would prefer ATT to gain strength in the US so that GSM became an overall standard. The move to UMTS was supposed to unite both 2.5G systems under one new 3G one, but now Verizon is building out old EDVO and Sprint is building out WiMax. So a real open market for service is unlikely to happen soon in the US. Dan - ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SMedia 3362
Is there any technical info available about this chip? Is there an X driver for it, or one in progress? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
* Where on any official blogs/websites have you seen the OpenMoko team or FIC say that they were making an iPhone killer or anti-iPhone? Sean Moss-Pultz, architect of OpenMoko and product manager of First International Computer's mobile communication business unit, in an e-mail... Why buy a Neo rather than an iPhone? While Apple delivers a polished experience, it's an experience that is exactly how you they want you to have it, said Moss-Pultz. In other words, users really have no freedom to change the device if they don't like the way Apple chose to make things. OpenMoko is the anti-iPhone. Linux-Based OpenMoko 'Anti-iPhone' Debuts -- iPhone -- InformationWeek I think it's hard to avoid comparisons with the iPhone considering the insane media frenzy. I'm sure Sean co. got asked frequently to compare the Apple phone and the FIC phone, and really, in this context, the term anti-iPhone is somewhat appropriate. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Myth Busting FTW
Thanks, Mike, for forwarding his responses. It's been interesting to hear more about his point of view from his original scathing article. Like many others, I couldn't finish reading his blog article either. -id Mike Hodson wrote: And what appears to be a final reply from Dan. -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Eran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Aug 31, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Myth Busting FTW To: Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mike, I have a dim view of providers overall. I also realize the US mobile system is really bad, and have written before detailing the history of how things got the way they are, as well as what problems I see specifically. I'm not trying to run down T-mobile, only pointing out that the arguments that the iPhone is tied to ATT in some bizarre and evil way are overblown. Tmobile doesn't really offer much in the US, although I'm sure things are slightly different in various regions , such as Vermont, which has no ATT service. I also made comments about the GSM/CDMA2000 split in the US, which really restricts any provider you want freedom. In other markets that are predominantly GSM (such as the EU) or CMDA2000 (such as Japan), there is more reason to demand vendor neutrality. I would prefer ATT to gain strength in the US so that GSM became an overall standard. The move to UMTS was supposed to unite both 2.5G systems under one new 3G one, but now Verizon is building out old EDVO and Sprint is building out WiMax. So a real open market for service is unlikely to happen soon in the US. Dan - ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
