Re: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX

2007-09-15 Thread Stephan Tetzel
So...OpenMoko 2007.2 run on my Palm TX ;-)

http://zefanja.blogspot.com

Thanks for all your help!

zefanja
-- 
GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS.
Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: 2007.2 dialer suggestions

2007-09-15 Thread Tilman Baumann

Joshua Layne wrote:


One, the answer icon doesn't look that much different from the ignore icon:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f0/Dialer-incoming-arrows.png

Could there be a color shift here? maybe a green/red thing?  I know that
green/red is bad for color blind, but for those of us who aren't color
blind it would help (and I would argue that orange/orange is just as bad
for anyone colorblind (or not))


Agree. Red and green is without any doubt the international gold standard.
Anyone who has ever used a mobile phone knows the function of the red 
and green button. Even my grandpa. :)
That does not mean we should paint the gui with random colours. But for 
this specific buttons everything else would be stupid.
Red and green rims around the buttons would give enough visual clue. 
This way we could keep the consistent icons.


Regards
 Tilman

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: application idea: georeferenced photos

2007-09-15 Thread OJW
A variant of this idea: try browsing photographs taken in the local area.

e.g. imagine you're in a foreign city for the first time and you want to know 
what's around you, where is interesting to visit, or which direction looks 
most interesting to wander in.

You could pull-up a list of georeferenced photographs (flickr, etc.) and see 
views of the buildings around you from other angles, views of your position 
from across the river, the view you'll see if you walk down that street and 
turn the corner...

Essentially the combination of GPS and mobile photo viewing would give you the 
power to see around corners.

Regards,

OJW


On Thursday 13 September 2007 08:24, Denis Parchenko wrote:
 Thursday, September 13, 2007, 12:05:39 AM, Alexey wrote:
  On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:57:28 +0200, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ... which doesn't help any if you're in the air-conditioned
  afore-mentioned airport in Arizona and you want to know how warm it is
  outside ;o)
 
  While inside the airport, you also won't get the GPS satellite signal to
  find out where you are.

   Is it really impossible somewhere in airport to find out current
 weather outside? For example on some info-boards...

 =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - -   -  -
  Best regards,
Denis


 ___
 OpenMoko community mailing list
 community@lists.openmoko.org
 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: application idea

2007-09-15 Thread Joshua Layne

Denis Parchenko wrote:

  Is it really impossible somewhere in airport to find out current
weather outside? For example on some info-boards...
  
It isn't nearly as much fun.  How can you walk around the airport with 
your head buried in your neo, bumping into people otherwise?


Seriously - I think the augmented reality / location+context sensitive 
apps are very fun and useful - this particular example may not reflect 
all attributes of such systems, but if somebody has the itch to code 
it... scratch it.


j.

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: application idea

2007-09-15 Thread Benni Graf

Denis Parchenko schrieb:

Thursday, September 13, 2007, 12:05:39 AM, Alexey wrote:

  Is it really impossible somewhere in airport to find out current
weather outside? For example on some info-boards...


... or windows...

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: 2007.2 dialer suggestions

2007-09-15 Thread Thomas Wood
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 11:55 -0700, Joshua Layne wrote:
 I saw some feedback on this at one point, but I have been unable to locate
 the thread - so...
 
 I like most of what I see in the 2007.2 dialer mockups, but there are two
 glaring usabiliy issues in my mind.
 
 One, the answer icon doesn't look that much different from the ignore icon:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f0/Dialer-incoming-arrows.png

We have already asked the designers for a bunch of new icons to solve
these issues.

 
 Could there be a color shift here? maybe a green/red thing?  I know that
 green/red is bad for color blind, but for those of us who aren't color
 blind it would help (and I would argue that orange/orange is just as bad
 for anyone colorblind (or not))
 
 
 Two (and this was previously commented on), the hangup button should NOT
 replace the answer button.
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f7/Dialer-talking-arrows.png
 
 A suggestion would be to have the speakerphone button replace the answer
 button.  Positional association with function can be very strong - it needs
 to be intuitive.

If you check the latest screenshots, you will notice this was already
fixed (as reported in this bug:
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=730).

Regards,

Thomas


-- 
OpenedHand Ltd.

Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road /
Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559

Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/



___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Neo1973 Release Date

2007-09-15 Thread Anthony Pica
Hello Everyone,

Is there an official release for the Neo1973 OpenMoko phone yet?

-- 
Anthony Pica
Internet Services: http://www.graythought.com
___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


System developers ask for project

2007-09-15 Thread Vittoria Cozza

Hi,
I'm Vittoria Cozza, a second year computer science PHD student in 
University of Bari italy.
here we have a group of student (2 right now) intending to become 
openmoko System Developer http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/System_Developer.

University website is
http://www.di.uniba.it/dib/ing/index.htm

We have no clear so far which part of the system to work on. Can you 
please suggest a project that 2 medium level linux skilled developers 
can realize in around 4 months?


We had a look at the wishes list but still we have not a clear idea 
about which functionality can be more suitable and interesting and 
important to realize and that matches with our team skills.


Wait for your suggestions, thanks in advances.

Best regards

Vittoria et Al.

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Sim access profile

2007-09-15 Thread Matthias Schulze
Hello,

I guess, I am mostly and end user of this phone.

I apologize, if the following question is already resolved. Will openmoko and 
the Neo 1973 support the sim access profile (SAP) to connect to a mobile 
phone setup in a car? Would this be a question of a proper software only?

Just another comment on the upcoming version of the phone. I hope this new 
version is going to arrive early. It would be fine with me, if the initial 
software were able to make phone calls reliably, include a working events 
planner and phonebook. If possible I would like  support sim access profile, 
see above. I expect to change the software version of the phome quite often 
later on, so I would like my phone book and events schedule to be easily 
transferred after installing a new version.

Given the basic software is working I hope the Neo 1973 is going to be 
available early. To tell you the truth, my old phone is not going to make it 
very much longer.

Matthias



___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


does dialer supports multiple calls at a time??

2007-09-15 Thread Phani Kumar Kancharala
Hi all,
I am new to openmoko... before having the real phone experience thought of
going through the source to understand how the moko applications work ,
particularly the DIALER.
I could follow the call flow and all. I tried to locate where the call
object is created to keep track of the call progress and found like the call
progress is integrated withe dialer object.
If my observation is true then here is my concern Is moko dialer
supporting call hold feature to handle two or more calls at once? if it
supports where can i find it?

Thank you all


-Phani
___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: application idea

2007-09-15 Thread Tilman Baumann

Jeff Andros wrote:
Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside the 
heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea: GPS 
based weather feeds.


on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out to a 
server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're in.


being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather data 
would be nice


The biggest challenge would be a mapping from gps coordinates to 
regions/postcodes or such.
If you have this information, you could do all sorts of crazy stuff. But 
i doubt these data would be very easy to get.
Maybe with some algorithm that finds out the nearest known gps location 
from wikipedia. Many cities are already geo-tagged in wikipedia.
Or maybe there is a open and ready to use database out there. But i 
doubt it.

Having the list on the device seems not very practical either. :(

But, hey if we would have such a framework all kinds of crazy things 
could come out of that. *g*
Local Wheather, local time zone selection, local party informations, 
restaurant guides (Qype?), local dial plans for DTMF dialing (This 
feature _has_ to come *g*), ...


If someone stumbles upon such services that can use gps coordinates, 
this might be a good start.

But i guess such services are very sparse.
And last but not least. The biggest problem would be to find services 
that are available world wide.


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: p2p/mesh cellphone network

2007-09-15 Thread ewanm89


On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:43:44 +0100
Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On 11 Sep 2007, at 22:23, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
 
  On 9/11/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  didn't we discuss this a few weeks ago?
 
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6987784.stm
 
  I'm wondering what they had to do to the radio to make it possible,
  or if it is at all with GSM.  Sounds like maybe they used something
  different.
 
  Of course this phone could do it with WiFi or Bluetooth, purely in  
  software.
 
 It could, but as discussed previously, there's all sorts of  
 drawbacks. Drop outs, power usage etc..
 
 With custom technology you can improve on that. It's not a
 technology that can be depended on like cell networks as it relies on
 a chain of people being between you and the destination.
 
 Some technology info here:
 
 http://www.terranet.se/index.php? 
 option=com_contenttask=categorysectionid=8id=17Itemid=62
 
 ___
 OpenMoko community mailing list
 community@lists.openmoko.org
 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

FBI and co wouldn't be happy as tracing mobile calls would have just
got harder.

-- 
Ewan Marshall (ewanm89)

Geek by nature, Linux by choice.


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature
___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


iPhone SIMlock broken :)

2007-09-15 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski

Some guys broke iPhone's SIMlock.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007/

Best regards,
--
*Bartlomiej Zdanowski*
Programmer
Product Research  Development Department
AutoGuard S.A.

Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw
Registration no.: 287629
Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN
Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747
Omulewska 27 street
04-128 Warsaw
Poland
phone +48 22 611 69 23
www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl
___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: application idea

2007-09-15 Thread Jeremy G
Just for the record, I think this is a great idea and one I would
totally use.  I also know of many weather-channel nuts who would also
jump on something like this.  I mean, just think of all the people who
install spyware like Weatherbug, just so they don't have to look out a
window.

J.

On 9/12/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside the
 heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea: GPS based
 weather feeds.

 on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out to a
 server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're in.

 being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather data
 would be nice

 --
 Jeff
 O|||O
 ___
 OpenMoko community mailing list
 community@lists.openmoko.org
 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


cron

2007-09-15 Thread Emre Turkay
Hi folks, is there a cron like tool in the current openmoko applications?

emre

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: application idea

2007-09-15 Thread John Locke

Jim McDonald wrote:
 Possibly more interesting would be for the calendar app to look ahead
 at your position-to-be and provide you with details (or even alerts)
 of what (for example) the weather is likely to be when you get to
 where you are going.  Knowing that it will probably be raining when
 you step off a 'plane allows you to pack appropriately.

Wow that would be some hardware... a time-warping GPS module, to know
your location before you get there! Think of the possibilities: Show my
position, today + 7 days...

:-p

-- 
John Locke
Open Source Solutions for Small Business Problems
published by Charles River Media, June 2004
http://www.freelock.com


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: application idea

2007-09-15 Thread Steven Le Roux
moreover if it's raining... you risk to put all wet your neo and get it down :) 
(lack a windscreen wiper ? ;))

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:30:18 -0400, Jimmy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 meteorology is a joke
 
 Federico Lorenzi wrote:
 On 9/13/07, Jimmy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Eh...  why would you need to know the current weather if your already
 there, looking at it?

 You can look 5 days into the future too? Wow, i thought it was just me
 :)

 ___
 OpenMoko community mailing list
 community@lists.openmoko.org
 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

 
 
 ___
 OpenMoko community mailing list
 community@lists.openmoko.org
 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
Steven Le Roux
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


ping?

2007-09-15 Thread Joshua Layne
Hi - sorry for the 'spam' - I am not receiving messages from this (or
other) openmoko list.

anyone else having the same problem?


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


About [Data Calls] over [Wifi Mesh network]

2007-09-15 Thread Vittoria Cozza

Hello,
now that we have clear (almost :) ) what to implement thanks to the community 
too,  what the next step to make aware the openmoko framework developers about 
we are starting with this new project?
Should i open a project from http://projects.openmoko.org/ ?
Thanks



___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: application idea

2007-09-15 Thread Jim McDonald

John Locke wrote:

Jim McDonald wrote:
  

Possibly more interesting would be for the calendar app to look ahead
at your position-to-be and provide you with details (or even alerts)
of what (for example) the weather is likely to be when you get to
where you are going.  Knowing that it will probably be raining when
you step off a 'plane allows you to pack appropriately.



Wow that would be some hardware... a time-warping GPS module, to know
your location before you get there! Think of the possibilities: Show my
position, today + 7 days...
  


All it would take would be a well-formed location field for each 
calendar event, not exactly magic...



___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


RE: application idea: georeferenced photos

2007-09-15 Thread Dean Collins
Definitely a great application - and not just for openmoko.

Check on my blog www.collins.net.pr/blog for Microsoft Photosynth as an
idea of what the future could hold with geo-located photos.

I also think any photograph application should be storing photos on an
internet based server along with the co-ordinates and then allow
chronological viewing...as well as other references.


Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OJW
 Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 2:00 PM
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: application idea: georeferenced photos
 
 A variant of this idea: try browsing photographs taken in the local
area.
 
 e.g. imagine you're in a foreign city for the first time and you want
to know
 what's around you, where is interesting to visit, or which direction
looks
 most interesting to wander in.
 
 You could pull-up a list of georeferenced photographs (flickr, etc.)
and see
 views of the buildings around you from other angles, views of your
position
 from across the river, the view you'll see if you walk down that
street and
 turn the corner...
 
 Essentially the combination of GPS and mobile photo viewing would give
you the
 power to see around corners.
 
 Regards,
 
 OJW
 
 
 On Thursday 13 September 2007 08:24, Denis Parchenko wrote:
  Thursday, September 13, 2007, 12:05:39 AM, Alexey wrote:
   On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:57:28 +0200, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ... which doesn't help any if you're in the air-conditioned
   afore-mentioned airport in Arizona and you want to know how warm
it is
   outside ;o)
  
   While inside the airport, you also won't get the GPS satellite
signal to
   find out where you are.
 
Is it really impossible somewhere in airport to find out current
  weather outside? For example on some info-boards...
 
  =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - -   -  -
   Best regards,
 Denis
 
 
  ___
  OpenMoko community mailing list
  community@lists.openmoko.org
  http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
 
 ___
 OpenMoko community mailing list
 community@lists.openmoko.org
 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Debug board

2007-09-15 Thread wolfgang_a_h
Hi all,

does anyone happen to know if the debug board of the advanced Neo kit will be 
compatible with future versions of the Neo (or other FIC OpenMoko phones, at 
that)?

Thanks  cheers

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: iPhone SIMlock broken :)

2007-09-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a great deal to learn from the iPhone, both in the things  
Apple has done right, and the things they have missed or done wrong.   
I would encourage all OpenMoko developers who have the means, to get  
their hands on one and play with it.


As indicated below, this email was sent from my unlocked iPhone  
operating on T-Mobile's US GSM network.


Sent from my iPhone

---

On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:39 AM, Bartlomiej Zdanowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:



Some guys broke iPhone's SIMlock.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007/

Best regards,
--
Bartlomiej Zdanowski
Programmer
Product Research  Development Department
AutoGuard S.A.

Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw
Registration no.: 287629
Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN
Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747
Omulewska 27 street
04-128 Warsaw
Poland
phone +48 22 611 69 23
www.autoguard.pl
___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX

2007-09-15 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Congrats,

which MACHINE is that? We need to adjust the DPI setting for your
PalmTX in the Xserver script.

-- 
- Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://openmoko.org/

Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: Debug board

2007-09-15 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 does anyone happen to know if the debug board of the advanced Neo
 kit will be compatible with future versions of the Neo (or other FIC OpenMoko 
 phones, at that)?

It will definitely be compatible w/ GTA02. As for the successor
models, we can't make a definitive answer yet (there is not even
schematics nor silicon for those anyways ;), but of course we'll
try to make it compatible...

-- 
- Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://openmoko.org/

Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


please disregard -- Re: ping? (nt)

2007-09-15 Thread Joshua Layne
error on my end apparently - sorry for the spam

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:17:13 -0700, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Hi - sorry for the 'spam' - I am not receiving messages from this (or
 other) openmoko list.
 
 anyone else having the same problem?
 
 
 ___
 OpenMoko community mailing list
 community@lists.openmoko.org
 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: iPhone SIMlock broken :)

2007-09-15 Thread Giles Jones


On 15 Sep 2007, at 19:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There is a great deal to learn from the iPhone, both in the things  
Apple has done right, and the things they have missed or done  
wrong.  I would encourage all OpenMoko developers who have the  
means, to get their hands on one and play with it.


As indicated below, this email was sent from my unlocked iPhone  
operating on T-Mobile's US GSM network.


Sent from my iPhone




Ie. Get the basics right and working solidly. As much effort as  
possible needs to be put into getting the phone and SMS functionality  
working, otherwise this phone is inferior to even a low end motorola.


I think this is what everyone wishes for right now?


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: Sim access profile

2007-09-15 Thread Brad Midgley
Matthias

We would like BlueZ to support SAP. There are some tricky parts with
doing this with the GSM module. It either needs to be taken up by FIC
with TI or someone needs to find some
Texas Instruments Calypso docs that document the interaction with the
GSM module to do SAP.

Brad

On 9/11/07, Matthias Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I guess, I am mostly and end user of this phone.

 I apologize, if the following question is already resolved. Will openmoko and
 the Neo 1973 support the sim access profile (SAP) to connect to a mobile
 phone setup in a car? Would this be a question of a proper software only?

 Just another comment on the upcoming version of the phone. I hope this new
 version is going to arrive early. It would be fine with me, if the initial
 software were able to make phone calls reliably, include a working events
 planner and phonebook. If possible I would like  support sim access profile,
 see above. I expect to change the software version of the phome quite often
 later on, so I would like my phone book and events schedule to be easily
 transferred after installing a new version.

 Given the basic software is working I hope the Neo 1973 is going to be
 available early. To tell you the truth, my old phone is not going to make it
 very much longer.

 Matthias



 ___
 OpenMoko community mailing list
 community@lists.openmoko.org
 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Plea to developers: Make data for all applications available to scripting languages

2007-09-15 Thread J F
Hi there,
I have been a long time palm treo user and my treo is my invaluable pocket
office for my business. I have used scripting languages on my desktop to do
all sorts of useful manipulation of the data on my treo to help prepare
accounts, publish information on the web etc... I have to make sure that I
use programs that offer a way to get the info out of them on my desktop.
There are a few scripting languages that are available on the treo that can
use the data of selected programs depending on what the developer who ported
the scripting language felt important. This amounts to me not being able to
find solutions to do what I want to do directly on my phone...

What I would like to see is ALL programs having a way of getting at their
data from a scripting language. I don't know if it makes sense to have some
guidelines for developers to make it easier for this information to be got
at. This would be for someone more competent than me to suggest.

I imagine it would be easier if there was a decision on a default scripting
language but with so many to choose from I don't quite see that happening...
(my vote goes with python even though it's by no means my favourite language
but considering the amount of libraries, simplicity, documentation, user
base, strong position in the open source community and the success of python
on Nokia series 60 phones it would be a good idea.)

As a little postscript I would also like to make a plea for making any
scripting bindings as simple and easy to use as possible. I feel that things
like being able to run your own scripts on a phone is what will make it
possible for ordinary non-1337 folk to appreciate what freedom means.

Thanks for listening,
James



___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: webkit do_compile failed

2007-09-15 Thread Tom Z
I seemed to hit a problem just before the do_compile in the same 
build process for webkit, all the solutions posted here so far don't 
seem to apply, as there seems to have no  

 build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libWebKitGdk.*
 
file yet in my build directory.

Below is the log from my rebuild attempt, after I did the 
clean-package-webkit-gtk. 

Any idea would be greatly appreciated.

Tom


# make clean-package-webkit-gtk
.
#
# make rebuild-package-webkit-gtk
( . ./setup-env  cd build  bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk )
NOTE: Handling BitBake files: \ (4684/4684) [100 %]
NOTE: Parsing finished. 4454 cached, 0 parsed, 230 skipped, 0 masked.
NOTE: build 200709151956: started

OE Build Configuration:
BB_VERSION = 1.8.8
OE_REVISION= 6fefb143c481e55636810f8546f5f5eca73a85c7
TARGET_ARCH= arm
TARGET_OS  = linux-gnueabi
MACHINE= fic-gta01
DISTRO = openmoko
DISTRO_VERSION = P1-September-Snapshot-20070916
TARGET_FPU = soft

NOTE: Resolving missing task queue dependencies
NOTE: preferred version 2.5 of glibc not available (for item
virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libc-for-gcc)
NOTE: Preparing runqueue
NOTE: Executing runqueue
NOTE: Running task 1 of 1 (ID: 0,
/media/sdc1/moko/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb, do_rebuild)
NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25582-r25571: started
NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25582-r25571-r1: task do_rebuild: started
NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25582-r25571-r1: task do_clean: started
NOTE: removing
/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25582-r25571-r1
NOTE: removing
/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/stamps/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25582-r25571-r1.*
NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25582-r25571-r1: task do_clean: completed
NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25582-r25571-r1: task do_fetch: started
NOTE: fetch
http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/JavaScriptCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._25582-r25571_.tar.gz
--19:56:42--
http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/JavaScriptCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._25582-r25571_.tar.gz
Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219
Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
19:56:42 ERROR 404: Not Found.

NOTE: Fetch
svn://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk/;module=JavaScriptCore;proto=http
svn: Syntax error in revision argument '25582-r25571'
NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: Fetch command export
PATH=/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi:/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin:/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/cross/bin:/media/sdc1/moko/bitbake/bin:/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/lib/ccache:/stuff/bitbake/bin:.:/home/tzheng/bin:/opt/axis2c/bin:/opt/gsoap/bin:/opt/java/ant/bin:/opt/java/j2se/jdk/bin:/opt/rar/:/opt/cbrowser:/opt/cscope/bin:/opt/firefox:/opt/netscape:/opt/expat/bin:/opt/perl5/bin:/opt/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/etc:/usr/bin/X11:/opt/arm/bin;
/usr/bin/env svn co -r 25582-r25571
http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk//JavaScriptCore JavaScriptCore
failed with signal 1, output:

NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25582-r25571-r1: task do_fetch: failed
ERROR: Error in executing:
ERROR: Exception:bb.build.EventException Message:('Function failed in task:
Fetch failed: Fetch command export
PATH=/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi:/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin:/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/cross/bin:/media/sdc1/moko/bitbake/bin:/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/lib/ccache:/stuff/bitbake/bin:.:/home/tzheng/bin:/opt/axis2c/bin:/opt/gsoap/bin:/opt/java/ant/bin:/opt/java/j2se/jdk/bin:/opt/rar/:/opt/cbrowser:/opt/cscope/bin:/opt/firefox:/opt/netscape:/opt/expat/bin:/opt/perl5/bin:/opt/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/etc:/usr/bin/X11:/opt/arm/bin;
/usr/bin/env svn co -r 25582-r25571
http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk//JavaScriptCore JavaScriptCore
failed with signal 1, output:\n', bb.build.TaskFailed instance at
0xd16448c)
ERROR: Printing the environment of the function
ERROR: Error in executing:
ERROR: Exception:bb.build.EventException Message:('Function failed in task:
Fetch failed: Fetch command export
PATH=/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi:/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin:/media/sdc1/moko/build/tmp/cross/bin:/media/sdc1/moko/bitbake/bin:/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/lib/ccache:/stuff/bitbake/bin:.:/home/tzheng/bin:/opt/axis2c/bin:/opt/gsoap/bin:/opt/java/ant/bin:/opt/java/j2se/jdk/bin:/opt/rar/:/opt/cbrowser:/opt/cscope/bin:/opt/firefox:/opt/netscape:/opt/expat/bin:/opt/perl5/bin:/opt/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/etc:/usr/bin/X11:/opt/arm/bin;
/usr/bin/env svn co -r 25582-r25571
http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk//JavaScriptCore JavaScriptCore
failed 

Re: Plea to developers: Make data for all applications available to scripting languages

2007-09-15 Thread Giles Jones


On 15 Sep 2007, at 22:53, J F wrote:



What I would like to see is ALL programs having a way of getting at  
their
data from a scripting language. I don't know if it makes sense to  
have some
guidelines for developers to make it easier for this information to  
be got

at. This would be for someone more competent than me to suggest.




Quite simply, if long term storage utilises and embedded database  
then so long as the scripting language can access it then it will be  
fine.



___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: Debug board

2007-09-15 Thread Paul Jimenez
On Saturday, Sep 15, 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 does anyone happen to know if the debug board of the advanced Neo
 kit will be compatible with future versions of the Neo (or other FIC OpenMok
o phones, at that)?

It will definitely be compatible w/ GTA02. As for the successor
models, we can't make a definitive answer yet (there is not even
schematics nor silicon for those anyways ;), but of course we'll
try to make it compatible...

Does this means there're no plans on the drawing board for GTA03?
Even if it's just an incremental improvement on GTA02, I'd expect
there to be *some* plans - the wiki is surely full of suggestions :)

  --pj


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community