Re: interface design suggestions
- I understand that you are using the same non-gray color through the interface (orange) to get some coherence. This can be a good idea to avoid making bad color choices but we can do better and get: a) better usability. using different colors for different categories of things is a universal and accepted way of improving usability (think of traffic lights and signals). You shouldn't avoid this resource. b) better experience. The same color all over the interface can get boring quickly! I would second this. I think OM designers should seriously consider this suggestion. - (strictly design problem) I didn't like the horizontal gradient on top, really took my attention toward the left, I felt it was a problem. +1 for this one. - Speaking of font sizes notice how by removing unnecessary elements now I have bigger font sizes everywhere that make everything easier to read. Bigger font sizes is a good option especially for mobile phoens. I remeber I used to strugle a lot with small font sizes on my Motorola linux based smart phone. - The orange glow to indicate selection of an item: it's a cool idea, but unfortunately there's little contrast between orange and white (remember this is a cellphone so we need a lot of contrast). Contrast between yellow and black is 65%, contrast between the current orange and white is 43%. Contrast between a selected cell and the cells above and below also helps, that's why I've removed the glow. A plus about yellow is that it is intuitively recognized as the most used color to highlight stuff. Contrast figures are approximate since I don't know the gamma values of the device in question. Another good suggestion. Also I would like community/OM designers to come up witha theme suitable for colour blinds. People with color disability form a considerable number of mobile users and notice them struggle with mobile phones all the time. regards VK ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?
Ortwin Regel pisze: Seems like it should, with the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD . Could someone prepare binaries ready for putting onto my SD card? And is there a program that can format cards with different filesystems from Windows? Yes it is - Openmoko with neo. Look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ipkg -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is GTA2 UMA/GAN capable
Will the GTA2 be UMA/GAN capable? no. If not, does anyone know if FIC has any plans for a UMA/GAN capable OpenMoko phone? yes, we would love to have one. But I don't think there is any way how we could do it in the forseeable future. What would be the constraints on not building a UMA/GAN capable phone? Would it be that the chipset is different, or licensing issues? My main concern upon purchase is that the hardware is capable; I would be willing to wait a while for the software and just use it as an organizer until capable software is ready. In short, what would it take to turn 'not in the forseeable future' to 'feasible'? Thanks. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help Request for our Webshop
On Sunday 23 September 2007 18:47, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 9/23/07 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: [snip] And your requirements may really be complex enough that the pre-built OSS stack isn't viable. In that case, I would take a closer look at the requirements and see if you can drop any for release 1. Build when all else fails (unless it is your core competency, like say a linux phone distribution :P ) I 100% agree on that... The standard Open Source Web Shop is OSCommerce (http://www.oscommerce.com/). No offense at all to those guys, but this didn't meet our needs. We've already spend over two months trying to rework that and figured that writing something from scratch would be easier in the long run. I've done work on OSCommerce once, and I've got just one advice for anybody having to work on that code. Run and hide! We really have an _extremely_ complex global logistics model that needs to be implemented. FIC has distribution hubs all around the world. They just do business to business transactions now. So we need to develop something that can ship direct to our customers (and retailers and even factories) from those hubs. Is it a Webshop you are looking for or do you actually need an ERP/Supply Chain solution? I've never really looked into these (it's on my very long list of 'things to check out') , but there is Compiere, Adempiere, Tiny ERP, Apache OFBiz, OpenMFG... I honestly don't know if any of these are mature and robust enough to support your logistics, but i might be easier to start from there and add a webshop (if it isn't there allready). Also, how are the current b2b transactions handled, its not alway impossible to insert consumer orders into b2b systems and it might just be the way to get this working with minimal impact. AVee -- Write a paper promising salvation, make it a 'structured' something or a 'virtual' something, or 'abstract', 'distributed' or 'higher-order' or 'applicative' and you can almost be certain of having started a new cult. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra (1979) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help Request for our Webshop
Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Why haven't you said that initially? It would have saved me to even mention oscommerce and you the discussion about it. 'cuz he's a big meany! No, wait, that can't be it! Maybe he figured anyone who was qualified would already know what a steaming heap oscommerce is (zencart is a futile attempt to make oscommerce cleaner and more featureful). More likely, though, he just didn't think of it! :') I swear Sean said: Preferable this webshop should not be written in PHP. Either Perl, Python or Ruby would be fine by us. Maybe he realized that no matter what he said, the community would have to get their initial wave of second-guessing everything out of the way first, so he didn't bother saying something more like: We would prefer that this webshop not be written in PHP because none of the existing PHP solutions impress us in the least (no, we really mean that, yes, we've look at oscommerce, no, don't bother mentioning it, yes, the person looking at it for us knew PHP, no, really, we're not kidding), but leave open the possibility that somebody talented could possibly write something suitable using PHP, which is why we're only expressing a strong preference here, not an absolute requirement. and so on and so forth for another 3 pages covering everything else that they've thought of, looked at, suspect somebody will mention, etc., etc., etc.. Or maybe not. Only Sean could say for certain, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. After all, on this one, they're the customer and the customer is always right. ;-) --Jon Radel [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?
Hey It looks to me like the qtopia guys actually started with openmoko and ripped out the gui and some daemons. Too bad there's not an easy way to take advantage of all that common code. Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?
On 9/21/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Is it possible to have both Qtopia and OM environments on one phone? One could be able to chooses system on startup (such as grub or lilo chooses Linux or Windows ;). That would be useful - you could use Qtopia env as a phone during day but at night you could reboot to OM and start hacking ;) Guys, I actually attempted it but when I boot OM from Boot from SD option from the bootloader menu I get some Bad Partition and Bad Magic Number error. Unfortunately I am taken back to the boot loader menu rather fast before I can take a good look at things. I had followed the instructions from here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Installing_without_removing_your_SD_card If anyone had better luck, let us know... Qtopia is on the internal flash memory and I had attempted to copy over the root filesystem + uImage over ssh. Regards Sudharshan S - blog: http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko -- on my TV!
I don't usually watch the local news, but Sunday night I tuned into a broadcast on KGO, ABC channel 7 in San Francisco, to catch a weather forecast, and . . . . . . what did I see but a report on open-source phones, prominently featuring OpenMoko! The segment included some hands-on action shots of the Neo1973 and an interview with our Michael Shiloh (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Michaelshiloh). Pretty cool! And good show, Michael. Here's a link to the story and video: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=drive_to_discoverid=5671823 They also cover the Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club, which appears to be tinkering with a Gumstix-powered platform with a bigger screen, but the story indicated they are looking favorably at the Neo platform as well. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help Request for our Webshop
Hi, There is also something called OFBiz (Open For Business - http://ofbiz.apache.org/) out there in the java world. I think it may be considered as a very mature product but it needs to be customized and it is the point were it can cost a little because it is not a dummy project. There is just a big codebase (you can do everything with it and many things are also implemented) and I think it is well written. Bye, Mimil On 9/24/07, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:27:45 -0400, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've done enough work in django (python) recently that the idea of going back to PHP sounds like some kind of really brutal punishment. The code is really much easier to read, because the code and presentation are kept in separate files. The original idea with PHP of embedding code in HTML was cool in theory, but in practice I think templates are a lot easier to maintain. Django isn't perfect, but I can see why people are edging towards it and away from PHP. it's also very possible to code PHP using MVC - it just takes discipline. easier to use a templating engine (like smarty) because it forces the dicspline on you, but also extra overhead - I would argue it is better to do it yourself using strict separation. It's not just PHP - Java EE had the idea (long ago) of embedding code in HTML, but now we tell people to get the Java out of the JavaServer Pages. It's funny in a sad sort of way - the original MVC paper was published in 1979, darn near three decades ago, and way too many developers still haven't got the idea. It's bad when they mess up one application, but when they publish a framework, and zillions of people start using it... we tried teaching basic design patterns to some of our internal developers (we aren't a software shop, but do write some internal apps) - the feedback: Why would we ever need this? good development practices are rare IME. anyway, somewhat far afield from openmoko. As long as the solution they build makes the neo orderable and deliverable (without my identity being lifted...), I'm happy :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko -- on my TV!
Very interesting. Thanks for the link. That Neo looks good on TV. On 9/24/07, Clarke Wixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't usually watch the local news, but Sunday night I tuned into a broadcast on KGO, ABC channel 7 in San Francisco, to catch a weather forecast, and . . . . . . what did I see but a report on open-source phones, prominently featuring OpenMoko! The segment included some hands-on action shots of the Neo1973 and an interview with our Michael Shiloh (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Michaelshiloh). Pretty cool! And good show, Michael. Here's a link to the story and video: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=drive_to_discoverid=5671823 They also cover the Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club, which appears to be tinkering with a Gumstix-powered platform with a bigger screen, but the story indicated they are looking favorably at the Neo platform as well. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?
Krzysztof Kajkowski pisze: Hi! Is it possible to have both Qtopia and OM environments on one phone? I've done dual boot on my neo in following steps: 1. format my SD card with ext3 and mount it (on laptop) 2. unpacked rootfs from qtopia-4.3.0-preview-neo-flash.tgz to SD card 3. copied the uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin kernel to the boot/ on SD card and rename it to uImage 4. umount and take out SD card from the laptop 5. I already have the 'Boot from SD' menu item in uboot menu, check out the wiki here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Step_3:_Add_uboot_boot_entry if U dont have one 6. SD card goes into the Neo, then uboot, Boot from SD and here U are... I have to admit qtopia is quite nice (sounds does not work for me right now and Ive managed to hang it after first 10min of intense clicking;) but I vote for the Openmoko, for the openness never seen before in mobiles, from the very begining and not from the moment where competition arrives... its only my opinion and I dont want to argue with anyone :-) but I agree also that its all about having a choice so have fun... ;-D Piotr ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [-SPAM-] Re: application idea
andy wrote: Just wondering if there is a reason for the [-SPAM-] in the subject line? Because for some reason my ISP tagged it as spam. And I forgot to edit it. Oops. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?
Piotr Duda wrote: I have to admit qtopia is quite nice (sounds does not work for me right now and Updated flash image is pending. Ive managed to hang it after first 10min of intense clicking;) but I vote for the Openmoko, for the openness never seen before in mobiles, from the very begining and not from the moment where competition arrives... Qtopia has been open sourced for more than 6 years now, from it's beginning. It wasn't any open source competition that resulted in opensourcing the telephony stack, it was a lack of a perceived threat to our business if we did so, and much work by Qtopia engineering. Granted, the Neo was part of the reason why (we wanted to release this port, but the Neo is a 'free' phone, and we couldn't very well release a closed source Qtopia for it, no matter how good it is), but the timing of the Neo made it appear as if Trolltech were only reacting to it. It has been a long time in the making. its only my opinion and I dont want to argue with anyone :-) No arguments, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I wanted to set the answer straight. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko -- on my TV!
Yes, entertaining. It's always funny how you cringe when the mainstream media says something backwards or funky because they don't have the terminology right or much of an understanding of the thing. One or two cringe moments watching this vid. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
