Trolltech drops greenphone for OpenMoko (Neo)
Link to story: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6214641.html I'm actually sad to hear this. While it's great to have a number of options running on the Neo, it would be nice to have OpenMoko run on a variety of devices, but the greenphone won't be in the running. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech drops greenphone for OpenMoko (Neo)
Yeah, I think, that greenphone today is not actually project, because now Compulab created hw platform for creating smartphones for $2300 . It has sensor big sensor panel. And of couse OpenMoko Neo 1973 is better than greenphone. Qt released greenphone, but not upgraded it ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4??
Yes im sorry, i meant the GTA02 :-) and by release date i mean when its available for ordering. I realy want to have a neo, but want to wait for the 02 since i have heard something about nov-dec? is that correct? Is it big differences in specs and looks of the GTA02 and the now available neo? /Andreas U On 10/22/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Community Hi, welcome! When is the exact release date of GTA01Bv4? The new Neo phone Do you mean the GTA02? There is no announcement yet. And just for my curiosity: how do you define exact release date? a) the first announcement that you can order b) the first device did leave the production line c) the first real shipment has started d) the first owner has it in his hands? -- hns ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andreas Utterberg Thundera AB ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4??
sometimes RTFM is a good answer... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 * 802.11 b/g WiFi * Samsung 2442 SoC * SMedia 3362 Graphics Accelerator * 2 3D Accelerometers * 256MB Flash * 1700mAh Battery * Faster CPU - S3C2442/400 * LEDs illuminating the two buttons. 2007/10/23, Andreas Utterberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes im sorry, i meant the GTA02 :-) and by release date i mean when its available for ordering. I realy want to have a neo, but want to wait for the 02 since i have heard something about nov-dec? is that correct? Is it big differences in specs and looks of the GTA02 and the now available neo? /Andreas U On 10/22/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Community Hi, welcome! When is the exact release date of GTA01Bv4? The new Neo phone Do you mean the GTA02? There is no announcement yet. And just for my curiosity: how do you define exact release date? a) the first announcement that you can order b) the first device did leave the production line c) the first real shipment has started d) the first owner has it in his hands? -- hns ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andreas Utterberg Thundera AB ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wired Test article on the lazy phone industry mentions OpenMoko
[via Cool Tools http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/002009.php] Download the Wired Test issue here: http://kk.org/cooltools/WD200711ZA.pdf This issue of Wired Test has an article (starts on page 7 of the PDF) called Phone Freaking, complaining about wireless carriers protecting their antediluvian business. It mentions the OpenMoko project. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wired Test article on the lazy phone industry mentions OpenMoko
On 10/23/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [via Cool Tools http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/002009.php] Download the Wired Test issue here: http://kk.org/cooltools/WD200711ZA.pdf This issue of Wired Test has an article (starts on page 7 of the PDF) called Phone Freaking, complaining about wireless carriers protecting their antediluvian business. It mentions the OpenMoko project. Don't suppose you would mind pasting what it said? Some people on slow internet connections can't exactly download a 23mb pdf. Thanks Federico ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Evolution - Message Filters
Sorry to send this to the whole list, but I figured at least one person out there is using Evolution. I just (well, still in the progress) migrated my work desktop from XP to Ubuntu. I was using Thunderbird for reading this list and had no problems having it move all OM related email to specific folders. I've been trying several different combinations of message filters to get it to recognize the OM mail, but nothing is working and it is starting to become very frustrating. So, for anyone using Evolution (and sorting OM list mail) please let me know what you are doing. -Jonathon Side note, I was going to use Thunderbird here on Ubuntu, but I thought that since Evolution was what was going to be used for the Neo I'd go ahead and get familiar and hopefully have less troubles syncing the two. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech drops greenphone for OpenMoko (Neo)
Now what I really want to see is a candy bar form factor for an OpenMoko phone from FIC. That would allow the multitudes of developers still interested in that form factor to develop for OpenMoko or QTopia and have a high-quality, open handset to work and innovate on. On 10/23/07, Gerald A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Link to story: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6214641.html I'm actually sad to hear this. While it's great to have a number of options running on the Neo, it would be nice to have OpenMoko run on a variety of devices, but the greenphone won't be in the running. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
Hi Community Hi, welcome! When is the exact release date of GTA01Bv4? The new Neo phone Do you mean the GTA02? There is no announcement yet. And just for my curiosity: how do you define exact release date? a) the first announcement that you can order b) the first device did leave the production line c) the first real shipment has started d) the first owner has it in his hands? -- hns He obviously meant GTA02, and just as obviously meant when it will be possible to order. Anybody that's been following this at all knows that there's a huge difference between ordering and receiving, but the earlier one orders, the more likely one will actually receive... As someone who has been waiting on pins and needles for months for this phone, I too am wondering why there has not been an announcement of some kind, since up to now they've been saying October and we're 3/4 of the way through the month. If it's going to be January or later, that's fine (and that's probably still optimistic, considering what I've been reading on the lists), but they really should keep us posted. It's extremely inconsiderate to keep everybody in suspense like this. - Wolfmane ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Evolution - Message Filters
On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 09:56 -0500, Jonathon Suggs wrote: I've been trying several different combinations of message filters to get it to recognize the OM mail, but nothing is working and it is starting to become very frustrating. Hello Jonathan, in den Add Rule window you can filter according to the Recipients is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then you can move the email in a other folder. Perhaps a better solution when the above not always works = Filter on the Specific Header for Reply-to = Reply-to is always [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope that works for you. Greets Patrick Beck signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
Mark schrieb: As someone who has been waiting on pins and needles for months for this phone, I too am wondering why there has not been an announcement of some kind, since up to now they've been saying October and we're 3/4 of the way through the month. If it's going to be January or later, that's fine (and that's probably still optimistic, considering what I've been reading on the lists), but they really should keep us posted. It's extremely inconsiderate to keep everybody in suspense like this. - Wolfmane Yes, I think the same. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problem booting from SD card
Hello, I've run into a problem identical to the one described in bug 779: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=799 Wondering whether anybody is aware of a solution... -Rukhsana ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wired Test article on the lazy phone industry mentions OpenMoko
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 04:55:17PM +0200, Federico Lorenzi wrote: On 10/23/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [via Cool Tools http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/002009.php] Download the Wired Test issue here: http://kk.org/cooltools/WD200711ZA.pdf This issue of Wired Test has an article (starts on page 7 of the PDF) called Phone Freaking, complaining about wireless carriers protecting their antediluvian business. It mentions the OpenMoko project. Don't suppose you would mind pasting what it said? Some people on slow internet connections can't exactly download a 23mb pdf. Here's the text of the article. Sorry about the messy formating--it was copied and pasted out of the PDF. Marco - Begin article - Phone Freaking All the technology exists to build the super phone of the future, but the carriers won't do it. You can. by Clive Thompson I HAVE THE MOST awe- some mobile phone. You wouldn't believe the sick stuff it can do. There's a webcam for videoconferencing, email, a full browser, and instant messaging. I can install whatever apps I want--Rhap- sody's music service, SSH clients, document and spreadsheet edi- tors, even software to access my desk- top machine remotely. Oh yeah: It also makes free voice-over-IP calls. It cost $400. It incin- erates the iPhone. The only catch: I had to build it myself. My phone is actu- ally a pimped-out Nokia N800, a pocket-sized tablet computer. Tech- nically, it's not a phone at all, but because it's Linux-based and has built-in Wi-Fi, it can run tons of great soft- ware. I loaded Skype, and presto--voice-call functionality whenever I'm near a wireless net- work, which nowadays is basically always. So why can't your handset work this way, too? If the hardware and software are all available to make these incredible do-it-all phones--how come the wireless carriers aren't rolling them out?? Because the wireless mobile industry is the laziest and least innovative sector of the entire high tech world, full stop. It's more interested in preserving its old-school profit mechanisms than in breaking new ground. Cellular-industry critics have been com- plaining about this for years. As they point out, phone companies rake in millions by overcharging for things that cost little to provide--a buck or two for a ringtone or TV- show snippet here; a few cents for extra text messages there. Much like the record labels with CDs, they're wringing all the money they can from these old economics. Only a few high-end smartphones can be customized with software you select. With virtually every other phone, you're stuck with those apps the wireless companies will permit you to download via their network-- for a tidy fee, of course. Why would they let you download freeware games when they can ding you $7 to play a Tetris rehash? This is also why so few phones have Wi-Fi. If they did, you'd simply tap into free nodes instead of suffering through your mobile carrier's glacially slow data network. It was a minor miracle that ATT let Apple put Wi- Fi into the iPhone--though notice they're certainly not letting anyone install Skype on it. ATT's creaking, 1980s-era business model must be protected at all costs, no mat- ter how much it makes your phone suck. Wireless executives have many excuses for their paternalistic behavior. They need to keep phones locked down, they claim, because if customers downloaded all sorts of freeware, it could wreak havoc with their network. I don't buy it. Indeed, I could disprove it with a simple hack. Verizon offers a laptop card for $60 that lets you access unlimited high-speed data anywhere Verizon covers. I could rebroadcast that signal via Wi-Fi or Bluetooth to my N800--and then use Skype to make phone calls on Verizon's wireless network. The only thing I'd be hurting is the bottom line. It's a kludge, but such a setup shows that the various components for killer phones-- fast networks, free software, cheap hard- ware--all exist. The sole obstacle to their being assembled is the wireless carriers' desire to protect an antediluvian business that its consumers loathe. So, is there hope? The OpenMoko project is working on an open source, Wi-Fi?enabled phone that works on any GSM network. That's pretty cool. In my more feverish dreams, the government actually grows a pair and realizes that we, the public, own the air- waves that the wireless companies so might- ily abuse--and the FCC simply forces the carriers to open up their services to true smartphones. (Google's lobbying for this, with no success yet.) Or here's an even more delirious vision: A venture capitalist funds a next-generation mobile-phone carrier that blankets the nation in Wi-Fi, then uses that as a backbone for truly PC-like handsets. I can dream, I guess. Until then, if you want a phone of the future like mine, you'll have to build it yourself. clive thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED] .net) writes a column for
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
On Tuesday 23 October 2007, Kevin Zuber wrote: Mark schrieb: As someone who has been waiting on pins and needles for months for this phone, I too am wondering why there has not been an announcement of some kind, since up to now they've been saying October and we're 3/4 of the way through the month. If it's going to be January or later, that's fine (and that's probably still optimistic, considering what I've been reading on the lists), but they really should keep us posted. It's extremely inconsiderate to keep everybody in suspense like this. - Wolfmane Yes, I think the same. We've been told that boards are being tested, and that another revision may be needed. We've been told October won't happen, December is likely but things will depend on the results of the tests. Yesterday Michael said he was gathering info on this and would probably post it Friday. What more do you want? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 23 October 2007, Kevin Zuber wrote: Mark schrieb: As someone who has been waiting on pins and needles for months for this phone, I too am wondering why there has not been an announcement of some kind, since up to now they've been saying October and we're 3/4 of the way through the month. If it's going to be January or later, that's fine (and that's probably still optimistic, considering what I've been reading on the lists), but they really should keep us posted. It's extremely inconsiderate to keep everybody in suspense like this. - Wolfmane Yes, I think the same. We've been told that boards are being tested, and that another revision may be needed. We've been told October won't happen, December is likely but things will depend on the results of the tests. Yesterday Michael said he was gathering info on this and would probably post it Friday. What more do you want? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community A Big flashing neon sign on the wiki saying the exact time and date the phone will be available for purchasing. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Al Johnson wrote: What more do you want? A Big flashing neon sign on the wiki saying the exact time and date the phone will be available for purchasing. Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate of when the GTA02 will be available :o) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison still says October 2007 for the GTA02 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
just making sure this pops up on Michael's email, he said to send him any place in the wiki that it says october On 10/23/07, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate of when the GTA02 will be available :o) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison still says October 2007 for the GTA02 -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
ian douglas wrote: Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Al Johnson wrote: What more do you want? A Big flashing neon sign on the wiki saying the exact time and date the phone will be available for purchasing. Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate of when the GTA02 will be available :o) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison still says October 2007 for the GTA02 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Or perhaps you could continue searching the wiki for updated information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 Scroll down to estimated time line. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4??
Andreas Utterberg wrote: Yes im sorry, i meant the GTA02 :-) and by release date i mean when its available for ordering. I realy want to have a neo, but want to wait for the 02 since i have heard something about nov-dec? is that correct? Hello Andreas, You are partially correct, we are aiming for November, but the truth is we can't tell exactly when it will be available for ordering because we don't know what unexpected surprises we'll run in to. Right now we're pretty happy with the third revision of GTA02 (GTA02v3). We started the forth revision already and we should be our first units of GTA02v4 so that we can start evaluating them any day now. But as to exact dates, we can not predict that. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech drops greenphone for OpenMoko (Neo)
Hello, On 10/23/07, Gerald A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Link to story: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6214641.html I'm actually sad to hear this. While it's great to have a number of options running on the Neo, it would be nice to have OpenMoko run on a variety of devices, but the greenphone won't be in the running. Everyone from the international media reporting on this seems to have missed a few key points: 1) The Greenphone is a development platform / tool. It was never intended as a phone / end user device. Don't believe me? Check the old press releases from Trolltech. 2) Trolltech only produced 1000 Greenphones, as they said from the start that they would do. They have now sold all units, which is a good thing. 3) Trolltech will still support the Greenphones that are out there. For more, see the Trolltech press release: http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-10-21.0880321862 BTW, I am not associated with Trolltech in any way, but I considered the Greenphone before settling on the Neo1973. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen Norway ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech drops greenphone for OpenMoko (Neo)
Zalunin Pavel wrote: Yeah, I think, that greenphone today is not actually project, because now Compulab created hw platform for creating smartphones for $2300 . It has sensor big sensor panel. And of couse OpenMoko Neo 1973 is better than greenphone. Qt released greenphone, but not upgraded it Actually, we did upgrade it. When we first released the Greenphone, it came with Qtopia 4.1.7, The whole 4.2 series had Greenphone releases. Now we are preparing to release Qtopia 4.3.0. What didn't get upgraded was the kernel. This is because it is out of our control. We don't do hardware, nor kernel development. This is up to the manufacturer, not Trolltech. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 12:01:41PM -0700, Jeff Andros wrote: just making sure this pops up on Michael's email, he said to send him any place in the wiki that it says october I just did a search for october on the wiki. Looking only at the little snippets that show up with search results, these pages seem to need updating http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications 10: ...e in March, 1st phase is early July. 2nd phase is October... when we are ready for mass market appeal.}} http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware 165: ... phase 2 Neo1973, currently slated for release in October 2007. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone 2: ...rket.22.29|GTA02]]-revision that is announced for October 2007. For the earlier Neo1973 revision see [[IPho... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison 11: |October 2007 (Phase0, unconfirmed) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison/it 11: |October 2007 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/AR6K 1: ...o be the final WiFi modules for the device in the October release according to [[Neo1973#.22Phase_2.22_.28G... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone/fr 2: ...rket.22.29|GTA02]]-revision that is announced for October 2007. For the earlier Neo1973 revision see [[IPho... 92: |Vente au d?tail: October 2007 This is just what I saw on the first page of results, not including ones that are obviously user comments. Marco On 10/23/07, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate of when the GTA02 will be available :o) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison still says October 2007 for the GTA02 -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. - Chinese proverb ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
community@lists.openmoko.org
Richard Reichenbacher richard5 at email.arizona.edu Tue Oct 23 21:03:31 CEST 2007 Or perhaps you could continue searching the wiki for updated information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 Scroll down to estimated time line. Oh, yeah, there's a single place in the entire wiki that gives updated information. It's so reasonable to expect everybody to dig through the entire site to find it, amid the multitude of places that still say OCTOBER... All I'm asking for is the occasional update on the announce list (what is that list for, anyway, if it's not for exactly this kind of thing?). There hasn't been a post to that list for a month, and that was only a request for help on the Web-shop. The last real post to that list was on August 20, more than two months ago. Do you really think that's reasonable If this is the kind of attitude and customer service we can expect after we buy the thing, I'm not so sure I'm interested anymore... Wolfmane ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community@lists.openmoko.org
Mark wrote: Richard Reichenbacher richard5 at email.arizona.edu Tue Oct 23 21:03:31 CEST 2007 Or perhaps you could continue searching the wiki for updated information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 Scroll down to estimated time line. Oh, yeah, there's a single place in the entire wiki that gives updated information. It's so reasonable to expect everybody to dig through the entire site to find it, amid the multitude of places that still say OCTOBER... All I'm asking for is the occasional update on the announce list (what is that list for, anyway, if it's not for exactly this kind of thing?). There hasn't been a post to that list for a month, and that was only a request for help on the Web-shop. The last real post to that list was on August 20, more than two months ago. Do you really think that's reasonable If this is the kind of attitude and customer service we can expect after we buy the thing, I'm not so sure I'm interested anymore... Wolfmane ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I gave you the wiki page SPECIFICALLY for the GTA02. You'd think that would be the most likely place to find information about it. Michael Shilo (if I spelled his name right) provides updates to the community list all the time. Pay attention or quit complaining. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Exact release date of GTA02v4?
Since no one else has seen fit to make an appropriate post, I'm pasting this from the one place on the site that has some information: Estimated time line * Sep 20 - GTA02v3 design finalized. * Sep 25 - GTA02v3 serious flaw found, GTA02v4 needed. * Oct 15 - GTA02v4 design finalized. * Oct 30 - GTA02v4 design produced, and shipped to qualified developers. * Nov 20 - GTA02v4 design verified through testing by developers. * Dec 10 - GTA02v4 produced in moderate volume * Dec 20 - GTA02v4 goes on sale * Dec 25 - GTA02v4 arrives. See Santa's Sleigh Package Service. However, I suggest everyone take this with a grain of salt and not expect anything until well after the New Year. Wolfmane ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Exact release date of GTA01Bv4??
Richard Reichenbacher richard5 at email.arizona.edu Wed Oct 24 01:25:49 CEST 2007 I gave you the wiki page SPECIFICALLY for the GTA02. You'd think that would be the most likely place to find information about it. Michael Shilo (if I spelled his name right) provides updates to the community list all the time. Pay attention or quit complaining. Uh, no, who really cares what the revision of the the thing is? No consumer does. The most logical place to disseminate projected release information is on the Announce list. What part of Announce do you not understand? The non-developers who want these only want to know when _a_ (as in any) version is going to go on sale to the general public. They also are not going to feel like (or in many cases be capable of) digging through the entire site to find the one place where updated information is available, nor are they going to understand how a wiki works. They are going to assume (reasonably) that the pages that describe the minutiae of the hardware are static. An email list they can understand. ...and, I HAVE been paying attention. To quote Michael Shiloh: You are partially correct, we are aiming for November, but the truth is we can't tell exactly when it will be available for ordering because we don't know what unexpected surprises we'll run in to. Right now we're pretty happy with the third revision of GTA02 (GTA02v3). We started the forth revision already and we should be our first units of GTA02v4 so that we can start evaluating them any day now. But as to exact dates, we can not predict that. ... which was only posted today, after the question had been asked, and he never made any other posts that in the least bit addressed dates until yesterday. And even this post is extremely vague. I have been scouring the site all along, but the last time I checked http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 that timeline information was NOT there. Apparently I've been paying a lot more attention than you... Wolfmane ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community@lists.openmoko.org
On Oct 23, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: It's so reasonable to expect everybody to dig through the entire site to find it, amid the multitude of places that still say OCTOBER... Considering that the alternative is for someone *else* to dig through the site and report the same answer to you, yes, actually, it does sound pretty reasonable for you to dig through the site yourself! :') ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
About Qtopia packages - additional software
How do I install additional packages for Qtopia ? (e.g. web browser) Is there a apt-get URL or what ? CU W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
It seems some community responsibility is in order. Being an open source project, it's important that positive and respectful lines of communication remain open. Those members who are close to the metal, so to speak, have an obligation to send proper communications out via the lists (or otherwise). Those members who are highly interested in project events and status have an obligation to remain as educated as possible and have a responsibility to fix any inconsistencies on the Wiki they find. By its very nature, a Wiki is only as good as the community supporting it. As well, the Wiki is, in fact, versioned, so rolling erroneous entries back is trivial. On 10/23/07, Marco Barreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 12:01:41PM -0700, Jeff Andros wrote: just making sure this pops up on Michael's email, he said to send him any place in the wiki that it says october I just did a search for october on the wiki. Looking only at the little snippets that show up with search results, these pages seem to need updating http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications 10: ...e in March, 1st phase is early July. 2nd phase is October... when we are ready for mass market appeal.}} http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware 165: ... phase 2 Neo1973, currently slated for release in October 2007. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone 2: ...rket.22.29|GTA02]]-revision that is announced for October 2007. For the earlier Neo1973 revision see [[IPho... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison 11: |October 2007 (Phase0, unconfirmed) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison/it 11: |October 2007 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/AR6K 1: ...o be the final WiFi modules for the device in the October release according to [[Neo1973#.22Phase_2.22_.28G... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone/fr 2: ...rket.22.29|GTA02]]-revision that is announced for October 2007. For the earlier Neo1973 revision see [[IPho... 92: |Vente au détail: October 2007 This is just what I saw on the first page of results, not including ones that are obviously user comments. Marco On 10/23/07, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate of when the GTA02 will be available :o) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison still says October 2007 for the GTA02 -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. - Chinese proverb ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
