Re: Chumby on OpenMoko/Neo1973?
Well, we've got the Aux button to replace that. As far as I understood it it's a simple button press thing. On Nov 6, 2007 8:36 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the features of the chumby? Wi-fi connectivity • access to the free Chumby Network • 3.5 LCD color touchscreen • two external USB 2.0 full-speed ports • 350 MHz ARM processor • 64 MB SDRAM • 64 MB NAND flash ROM • stereo 2W speakers • headphone output • squeeze sensor • accelerometer (motion sensor) • leather casing • AC adapter included I think the GTA02 would handle that just fine. The only thing it's missing is the squeeze sensor. -Steven On 11/6/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to run the Chumby ( http://chumby.com/ ) software on OpenMoko / the Neo1973? What would it take to make this possible? Why do I want it? Imagine it like this: Plug your Chumby equiped OpenMoko device into the USB charging cable (/cradle). Let it sit for a while. After five minutes of no activity, the Chumby software starts up automatically and displays flash widgets, just like a Chumby would. With a simple press of the power button, you get out of Chumby and back into OpenMoko. Makes sense, doesn't it? Why get another immobile device if you've got all the hardware to run Chumby software in your Neo? It might still make sense if you want a permanent Chumby beside your bed or multiple around the house. Many people probably would not want to get the hardware twice, though, so it would make sense to make their Neos work as part time Chumbys. In the GTA02, we should have all the necessary hardware with accelerometers and Wifi. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Am 07.11.2007 um 19:08 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl: On Wednesday 07 November 2007 18:23:18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper. You need not buy many units yourself - there is an idea for a group purchase. So if you can convince (many) others so that it goes beyond the order quantity of the next price scale it can go down to less than $600. Even then, unless someone turns this in a complete phone, quite some bit of engineering will be needed to turn an SBC plus touchscreen into a proper phone... Not to mention software support for it. But I'd sure love the Just needs a plastic case (plus stylus) case. Everything else is available (charger, battery, etc.). possible form factor (3.5 VGA with little bigger case). Software: Why not OpenMoko or Qtopia or QuantumSTEP? It seems to be a quite small step. CompuLabs already provides Angstrom (previously called OpenZaurus). See: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/download ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Doug Sutherland skrev: 850Mhz is odd because north america is big. Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz. To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz. There will be more not less 850 support in the future. Europe is much more congested so can justify more towers with less output power on phones. Not really true... Europe have GSM 900/1800... 850 is not that big a difference from 900, nether is 1900 from 1800. Probably the 900 and 1800 bands was occupied in the us. However, Ericson and Nokia are pushing GSM 450 for the 3:d world and the most remote arias in richer countrys. So we might end up with the need for 5 GSM band: 450/900/1800 for 'the world' and 850/1900 (and possibly 450) for 'parts of America'. The part with lower frequency give bigger coverage is true. 900 reach ~twice as far as 1800, cowering ~four times the area. 450 will reach ~twice as far as 900, cowering ~sixteen times the area 1800 cover. Thats the rational for GSM 450. Hope the Neo1973 GTA2v4 will be released fast as possably as is. Then a 850/1800/1900 as soon as posably. Don't think a sales organization more then the already existing one need to be built in north America before the 850/1800/1900 version is ready. If this is reconfigurable in soft/firmware... It's realy a quad band phone... You just have to configure what three band to listen to. I Know of no place having 850 and 900 in the same aria. I have litle hope for that tho... It sounds like hw changes is needed :-( /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
I did not look further as Neo was about 100% what I was looking for. Thanks to all for the help. Bye. Unfortunately, I think this is a very good summary of the issue. The Neo is still primarily a developer phone w/o the 850 band, at least here in NA. Since that's where I am, it's no longer an option. It's a great project. But for now, bye. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
That's a shame. Have a look at the upcoming GSM-enabled h/w from Unicon Systems: http://www.uniconsys.com/ Bill W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just checked the manual, it is 850 / 1900 So it really seems to be a bad idea to continue with NEO here in the states. Real pity as it was about the perfect solution for some of our products. Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to compile your own programs? I need phones for customers as service modules so they need to be able to run Linux and be open enough to accept compilers for Console programs written in C, fpk, Ada. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Bill Weinberg - Embedded and Open Source Analyst / Consultant http://www.linuxpundit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 831-662-2857 (p) | 408-568-2492 (m) | 831-662-2852 (f) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
I just checked the manual, it is 850 / 1900 So it really seems to be a bad idea to continue with NEO here in the states. Real pity as it was about the perfect solution for some of our products. Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to compile your own programs? I need phones for customers as service modules so they need to be able to run Linux and be open enough to accept compilers for Console programs written in C, fpk, Ada. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Edwin Lock writes: Exactly, North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of the world uses 900/1900. And without 850 you won't have coverage in North America in a lot of places, so practically it won't work. Lucky I like in the Netherlands:) I thought US was 850/1900, ROTW was 900/1800 (not that this affects the 850 issue, but just for completeness) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Yes well it is the dreaded silly 110V/220V, Pal/NTSC, lb/kg standards monster again. Not long ago (10 yeqrs ago) there were a lot of resistance to GSM here which is just not understandable and luckily it is getting way more foothold. I am currently with T-Mobile as they always were a GSM shop. The phone with the ultimate best coverage for me here in the states on GSM is an Old Siemens M56 on T-Mobile. I tried several new phones/services which just died out in the sticks. Does anyone know if the Siemens M56 was a dual or single band phone? If the band-spec is contained in the Neo, I would not be worried about it. thanks Mikko J Rauhala wrote: On ke, 2007-11-07 at 10:31 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I cannot get the original reference to why this is an issue for North American users. NA uses the unusual 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands for GSM. The Neo, at least as it will be first available, will not support 850 MHz (but will 1900 MHz). This means that it can work in NA, _but_ will get worse coverage than GSM phones capable of also 850 MHz operation. According to my second-hand understanding of the situation, of the major US GSM providers, T-Mobile has more 1900 MHz coverage than ATT/Cingular, and that major cities may have decent amounts of it as opposed to rural areas. It's vague, but HTH. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 20:02:47 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Just needs a plastic case (plus stylus) case. Everything else is available (charger, battery, etc.). Well if someone can provide a complete unit that boots into OpenMoko for ~500USD (and can make use of WiFi), I'll likely buy it. Plus points if it has QWERTY or a somewhat decent cam :P possible form factor (3.5 VGA with little bigger case). Software: Why not OpenMoko or Qtopia or QuantumSTEP? It seems to be a quite small step. CompuLabs already provides Angstrom (previously called OpenZaurus). See: Didnt know they had Angstrom for it. That sure helps. But how do you get Angstrom onto the board? Do you need JTAG for that? Or can it boot from SD or USB the way it's shipped? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Didnt know they had Angstrom for it. That sure helps. But how do you get Angstrom onto the board? Do you need JTAG for that? Or can it boot from SD or USB the way it's shipped? According to http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/download/x270-em-linux-doc.zip it appears tthat it can boot and flash from an USB memory stick. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
http://www.proficio.ca/ Not really true... Europe have GSM 900/1800... They have two frequencies for different reasons. 1800 was added due to congestion on 900. In North America 850Mhz is longer distance due to higher output power. Read specs on cellular modules (hardware) and you will see 850Mhz is higher output power. That is why it is used more often in rural areas. It can be hundreds of miles between cities over here. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
No, actually Unicon Systems have product coming shortly (Dec/Jan) with smaller and larger screen sizes and more memory, as needed. I have seen it in their offices! Contact Marius Kaz for roadmap and delivery info : Marius Kaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: That's a shame. Have a look at the upcoming GSM-enabled h/w from Unicon Systems: http://www.uniconsys.com/ Good pointer, and already available. But... - 32 MB SDRAM - 32 MB flash - Screen: - TFT LCD QVGA 3.5'' 16M color screen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Bill Weinberg - Embedded and Open Source Analyst / Consultant http://www.linuxpundit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 831-662-2857 (p) | 408-568-2492 (m) | 831-662-2852 (f) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 18:23:18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper. You need not buy many units yourself - there is an idea for a group purchase. So if you can convince (many) others so that it goes beyond the order quantity of the next price scale it can go down to less than $600. Even then, unless someone turns this in a complete phone, quite some bit of engineering will be needed to turn an SBC plus touchscreen into a proper phone... Not to mention software support for it. But I'd sure love the possible form factor (3.5 VGA with little bigger case). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
The 850 Mhz capability of the radio is disabled. Article quote: If you're in a major metropolitan area, you probably won't need the 850 MHz band, but if you travel to secondary areas regularly, you will find the extra coverage of the 850 MHz band to be valuable. Looking into the future, it is probable we'll see increased use of 850 MHz to expand GSM's overall coverage into more of the country. And then, looking further into the future, it is possible we'll see 1900 MHz coverage duplicating the 850 MHz coverage. Bottom line : If you travel out of the main cities, you'll definitely benefit from a phone that supports both 850 MHz and 1900 MHz. http://www.thetravelinsider.info/roadwarriorcontent/quadbandphones.htm I don't know many North Americans who do not travel outside of main cities. 850Mhz What this means for future versions depends on if they make the changes to support 850Mhz. The lack of 850Mhz support Antigua, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, British Virgin Islands, Canada, Cayman Islands, Colombia, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvadore, Grenada, Guam, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Montserrat, Nicaragua, Northern Mariana Islands, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States, Venzuela. Also, regarding the comment that some carriers only operate 1900, keep in mind that you ROAM onto partner networks. Even if your provider only uses 1900, there are good odds that you actually can and possibly do use 850 outside of major cities. If you have T-Mobile that doesn't mean you don't use other networks. You probably don't even know you are using them ... Mikko wrote: Does anyone know if the Siemens M56 was a dual or single band phone? If the band-spec is contained in the Neo, I would not be worried about it. M56 is 850/1900. Worry about lack of 850. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Am 07.11.2007 um 17:20 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to compile your own programs? I need phones for customers as service modules so they need to be able to run Linux and be open enough to accept compilers for Console programs written in C, fpk, Ada. What about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Compulab_EM-X270 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
That's a shame. Have a look at the upcoming GSM-enabled h/w from Unicon Systems: http://www.uniconsys.com/ Good pointer, and already available. But... - 32 MB SDRAM - 32 MB flash - Screen: - TFT LCD QVGA 3.5'' 16M color screen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Am 07.11.2007 um 17:42 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper. You need not buy many units yourself - there is an idea for a group purchase. So if you can convince (many) others so that it goes beyond the order quantity of the next price scale it can go down to less than $600. An unlocked iPhone is IMHO at $500 and above and the gPhone has mutated into Android (i.e. not a phone but a Linux phone stack). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Edwin Lock wrote: North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of the world uses 900/1900. No, North America uses 850/1900 and most of the rest of the world uses 900/1800, but there are MANY MANY countries that use 1900 and more than just North America uses 850. And Canada is in North America eh LOL -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
850Mhz is odd because north america is big. Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz. To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz. There will be more not less 850 support in the future. Europe is much more congested so can justify more towers with less output power on phones. I hope Neo gets this support for 850Mhz in the next version. I love the idea but it doesn't make sense for most folks on this side of the pond to buy what would effectively be a single band phone. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Al Johnson wrote: We should find out one way or the other reasonably soon. Like we'd know reasonably soon about the TI modem firmware delivery system that they told us about almost a month ago? ;o) Seriously, if they can fix the 3G issue so I can just use TMobile for the time being, then great, I'll keep my Neo. But if I have to wait much longer just for the modem firmware upgrade, then this 850 issue is a serious deal breaker and I want a refund. -id ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
All may not be lost. FIC are looking at whether 850/1800/1900 is possible with the existing hardware. We should find out one way or the other reasonably soon. On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper. If it is OTS, then it is way more reliable due to massicve customer feedback than an obscure OEM, but it is a good idea thanks. It seems I will have to go back to the drawing board and find something close to the Neo. I did not look further as Neo was about 100% what I was looking for. Thanks to all for the help. Bye. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper. If it is OTS, then it is way more reliable due to massicve customer feedback than an obscure OEM, but it is a good idea thanks. It seems I will have to go back to the drawing board and find something close to the Neo. I did not look further as Neo was about 100% what I was looking for. Thanks to all for the help. Bye. Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 07.11.2007 um 17:20 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to compile your own programs? I need phones for customers as service modules so they need to be able to run Linux and be open enough to accept compilers for Console programs written in C, fpk, Ada. What about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Compulab_EM-X270 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Sorry, I cannot get the original reference to why this is an issue for North American users. Can someone just give me a 2-5 liner of what this means to a user that will buy commercial versions released later this year as my interest is for product integration with existing products, so I need to know if the commercial version will not function in the US (if I read right) Thanks ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 at 12:42:28PM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
850Mhz is odd because north america is big.
Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz.
To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz.
There will be more not less 850 support in the future.
Europe is much more congested so can justify more
towers with less output power on phones.
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 02:28:28PM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
Not really true... Europe have GSM 900/1800...
They have two frequencies for different reasons.
1800 was added due to congestion on 900. In
North America 850Mhz is longer distance due
to higher output power. Read specs on cellular
modules (hardware) and you will see 850Mhz
is higher output power. That is why it is used
more often in rural areas. It can be hundreds
of miles between cities over here.
The level of confusion wrt 850 MHz is starting to annoy me, gotta jump
in.
There is *no* difference in range of 850 vs 900 MHz, or 1900 vs 1800
MHz. Both 850 and 900 use 2 watts, both 1800 and 1900 use 1 watt.
Stop claiming 850 is somehow better than 900.
The only reason USA picked non-standard frequencies was because they
had already licensed the 900 and 1800 MHz bands to something else.
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Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
On ke, 2007-11-07 at 10:31 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I cannot get the original reference to why this is an issue for North American users. NA uses the unusual 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands for GSM. The Neo, at least as it will be first available, will not support 850 MHz (but will 1900 MHz). This means that it can work in NA, _but_ will get worse coverage than GSM phones capable of also 850 MHz operation. According to my second-hand understanding of the situation, of the major US GSM providers, T-Mobile has more 1900 MHz coverage than ATT/Cingular, and that major cities may have decent amounts of it as opposed to rural areas. It's vague, but HTH. -- Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Alright I stand corrected on one aspect of this, but 850Mhz (specficied power) is double the output power of 1900Mhz and is used extensively in rural areas. Any future version of Neo will need 850/1900 for North America. And as stated earlier, these countries also use 850Mhz: Antigua, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, British Virgin Islands, Canada, Cayman Islands, Colombia, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvadore, Grenada, Guam, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Montserrat, Nicaragua, Northern Mariana Islands, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States, Venzuela. It's crazy that 850 is disabled, crazier that it's called quad band. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Gphone and 850, perspectives
So, the North AND Southern American continents, in short, the entire western hemisphere, then ? Gareth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Sutherland Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:34 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives Alright I stand corrected on one aspect of this, but 850Mhz (specficied power) is double the output power of 1900Mhz and is used extensively in rural areas. Any future version of Neo will need 850/1900 for North America. And as stated earlier, these countries also use 850Mhz: Antigua, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, British Virgin Islands, Canada, Cayman Islands, Colombia, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvadore, Grenada, Guam, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Montserrat, Nicaragua, Northern Mariana Islands, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States, Venzuela. It's crazy that 850 is disabled, crazier that it's called quad band. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This message is the property of Southern Wine Spirits or its affiliates. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may constitute as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify us immediately by telephone and (i) destroy this message if a facsimile or (ii) delete this message immediately if this is an electronic communication. Thank you. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
ian douglas wrote: I don't want to start another thread like the other guy did a few months back bout convince me to keep my Neo but now I've got two major strikes against me using this phone. What's next? Ahhh...There's nothing like achieving infamy to start my morning off right. Seriously though, this is VERY bad news for western hemisphere participation in the OpenMoko project. I will repeat my earlier exhortation to FIC and the project: The Apple iPhone *HAS* changed the public's perceptions of what a small, personal communication enabled pocket computer is capable of doing and how it can make their lives easier and keep them up to date and in touch with all that interests them. And after using mine for 60 days now, I am *CONVINCED* that Apple has hit upon a nearly perfect form factor and device interaction model. The centered, 4.5 Diag *Finger Touch* screen with one thumb width of grip space on either end of a basically rectangular device is a Golden Form Factor. Yes, there are things I would change and things I would add and I am compiling a list, and YES, the fact that this thing's software is NOT open source makes me nuts! Once more with feeling now: In my humble opinion, FIC needs to scrap the GTA01/02 form factor and redesign it to closely match the iPhone's front face. This would give MORE room inside for the boards and battery than the current stretched doughnut design.At the very least, if FIC is seriously going to put the GTA02 into production, they should start a separate design team on an iPhone clone project immediately. And for Tiny Tim's sake, let's use that extra room to enable all four bands this time, OK? Ahhh... Infamy. Alan Original Message: - From: ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:53:17 -0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue Agreed, I'm in California as well, and though I bought a pre-paid T Mobile card, it doesn't work either because of the 3G issue. It would seem the 850 issue plus the 3G issue has just 'bricked' my Neo (in a metaphorical sense) without me writing a single line of code. And given that the GTA02 will have the same 850 issue, plus that we haven't heard any new news on the 3G firmware upgrade for quite a while, my dream of developing for the Neo is starting to fade away. (Michael informed us back on Oct 13th that they were just working out the 'distribution terms' for giving us a firmware patch -- what's the status?) I don't want to start another thread like the other guy did a few months back bout convince me to keep my Neo but now I've got two major strikes against me using this phone. What's next? -id Tupshin Harper wrote: FWIW, I was planning on buying a GTA02 as soon as its available, but no 850 is a deal breaker since I would be using it on ATT's network in California. I would certainly be willing to buy it without 900MHZ support, though. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki page for users wanting to sell Neo because of 850 band problem
I have just set up the following page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/US_850_band_users_wanting_to_sell_Neo Hope it helps people to get in touch with potential buyers in other parts of the world where this is not an issue and get some return on their investment. Rakshat PS - I have no connection with openmoko or FIC, just trying to be helpful here. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
So, ok, the NEO does NOT support 850/1900 MHz band, this is an issue, FIC is informed of that and i think that they are evaluating the possibilities to make it working, so please just stop crying at the list my neo here isn't working... ok, i understand the problem and i understand you, but receiving a tons of similar mail is boring. AFAIK FIC members read the list, and now are just considering some solutions (at least i hope). So in conclusion, the replies at the FAQ on this issue are (forgive me if appear a bit rude but it's due to my english): I live in north america, i have my NEO dev edition and i can't get the signal, what i can do? sell your neo, it's an hardware/firmware/software issue, so it can't be fixed with a simple software upgrade I need the 850 support should i buy the neo now? No you don't have to until you want a good pda whitout the possibility to make phone calls I live in NA and i usually stay in my big city, will the neo get the signal? May be, it will probably get it but it's not assured, you can try to verify somehow if the bands supported by the neo are covering your area What can i do to make the neo supporting those bands? you can do nothing What is FIC doing about this? Don't know, i hope they are considering some solutions for this issue Last but not least: which are the solutions which FIC is considering? The solutions are: 1) do nothing, at least for the GTA02, maybe a fix in GTA03 or something similar 2) produce 2 separate phone, 1 for the NA and another one for the Rest Of The World (identical phone except the capability to get the 850/1900 band INSTEAD the 900/1800 one) 3) make a nice community poll to ask if the members can wait another 2 month (the time is just something I think) to redesign the hardware and fix the firmware so that we can have a full quad band phone) The 3rd solution was not proposed but it's another way to solve the problem, honestly i don't mind about the quad band, i live in italy and i don't think i'll ever come to america, if i'll do that i'll use some other cheap phone, but i think that it's important for other community member to have it working in quad band way, so i'll wait if the community will decide to wait and obviously FIC will consider this solution. Cya! Pietro P.S. We will wait for some FIC official solution. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
