Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible
Hello, On Nov 22, 2007 2:00 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 (i386). What do I need in addition to the loop module: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup -v /dev/loop0 /home/tingo/work/openmoko/qtopia-rootfs.2-10020615.jffs2 /home/tingo/work/openmoko/qtopia-rootfs.2-10020615.jffs2: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup /dev/loop0 loop: can't get info on device /dev/loop0: No such device or address [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# lsmod | grep loop loop 19076 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# The loopback won't help you. You need to use mtdram to mimick an mtd device in your RAM, then dd the contents into an mtdblock and mount it. Aha. Something like this then: http://wiki.buici.com/wiki/Mounting_JFFS2_Filesystem_in_RAM Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where are the updates?
Good idea. This was mentioned before and I haven't done it yet. I'll copy the next update to the announce list. Michael justin daly wrote: i think it is, but i don't think everyone's hooked up to an rss iv. at least during the holidays :) any chance for an update on the announce list? happy thxgiving j On Nov 24, 2007 5:41 PM, flexd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://planet.openmoko.org had a pretty major update today as far as i know? Or isn't that offical pdates? Cailan Halliday skrev: I haven't seen an official update for the OpenMoko project on this list for ages, is anything happening, or is OpenMoko going to die? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where are the updates?
Hi List, Last update was supposed to be just over 2 weeks ago, so I am a little late. I'm working on it now. Cailan: I plan to send an update at least every two weeks, more often if there is anything to report in between. Visit http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates for previous updates. Michael Cailan Halliday wrote: I haven't seen an official update for the OpenMoko project on this list for ages, is anything happening, or is OpenMoko going to die? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
/. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/23/196229from=rss please don't let the rest of the world fall under the same privacy stranglehold. i wholeheartedly support this open platform that gives its users the control to turn -any- of its radios on or off at will (of the operator...). thank you fic and openmoko! i can't wait to get some of these for my friends... justin daly ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you? justin daly skrev: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/23/196229from=rss http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/23/196229from=rss please don't let the rest of the world fall under the same privacy stranglehold. i wholeheartedly support this open platform that gives its users the control to turn -any- of its radios on or off at will (of the operator...). thank you fic and openmoko! i can't wait to get some of these for my friends... justin daly ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
I agree with you, obey the law. But many people want privacy at all costs, even if they are obeying the law. I know its a distorted idea and thought, but people want the ability to not be limited, and the ability to do something illegal :P -bk On Nov 25, 2007, at 6:19 PM, flexd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you? justin daly skrev: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/23/196229from=rss http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/23/196229from=rss please don't let the rest of the world fall under the same privacy stranglehold. i wholeheartedly support this open platform that gives its users the control to turn -any- of its radios on or off at will (of the operator...). thank you fic and openmoko! i can't wait to get some of these for my friends... justin daly --- - ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
If they suspect you anyway. Quote: *In some cases, judges have granted the requests without even requiring the government to demonstrate probable cause that a crime is taking place or that the inquiry will yield evidence of a crime * I wonder how difficult it would be for criminals or the music industry to obtain that data? In Germany, our bloody joke of a government has just passed a law that orders companies to keep this data for half a year! On Nov 26, 2007 1:19 AM, flexd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you? justin daly skrev: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/23/196229from=rss http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/23/196229from=rss please don't let the rest of the world fall under the same privacy stranglehold. i wholeheartedly support this open platform that gives its users the control to turn -any- of its radios on or off at will (of the operator...). thank you fic and openmoko! i can't wait to get some of these for my friends... justin daly ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
flexd wrote: If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you? Are you serious? Or was that tongue-in-cheek? That's entirely the wrong kind of question to ask. The question is: if you just obey the law, why would they need to track you? And so, why do they need these powers over everybody instead of just over known criminals? Please read the original /. article before you respond. In fact, please respond on /., not here. This list is for discussions about OpenMoko phones. And you can power off any cell phone, not just an OpenMoko phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 01:19 +0100, flexd wrote: If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you? Ah. The old if you don't have anything to be afraid of argument. It's pretty tired, but if you insist ... 1) The law is an ass. There's a big difference between breaking the law and doing something wrong. Take prohibition, or abortion, or sedition, etc. These are all areas where the law is contrary to most people's values. For example, say I stand on a corner and proclaim that I support the Iraqi resistance in their efforts to remove the illegal occupying forces from their country. That's sedition. In my country ( Australia ), that statement ( or this email ) is enough to get me locked up for 7 years for 'undermining the national interest'. With emerging cellphone technology, not only can my mobile be used to locate me on the corner, but it can also be used to record what I say and transmit it to the police. Particularly with voice recognition technology, I can see the situation approaching where just uttering the right words with your phone in hearing distance will result in a quick visit from the police. While our laws are so blatently stupid, it's quite unwise to hand more power to police to persecute people from breaking said laws. 2) Even when you're NOT breaking the law, there are still quite valid concerns about the all-seeing-eye. Cellphone tracking could easily be used to identify myself and other activists at a public meeting. While 'guilt by association' has largely been written out of the lawbooks in most countries, this doesn't stop police ( illegally, mind you ) keeping a database of 'persons of interest' and their groupings. Anyone who has attended a few anti-war demos will tell you that the police keep quite a large file of known activists, who get targeted, arrested, dragged off, beaten up, and dumped a couple of km away from the demo, pretty much immediately after turning up ... 'known troublemakers'. There was quite a bit of this happening in Canberra in 2003 when Dubya visited. It happened again for the APEC demo here not so long ago. The problem is that in a lot of cases, their definition of 'troublemakers' is not based on whether they've broken any laws, but simply includes all known activists. For example the list of 'excluded persons' from the APEC designated area was basically just a list of leading activists who had been working on the demonstrations - none of them had actually done anything wrong, or even been accused of doing anything wrong. The list was completely arbitrary. 3) The other side doesn't play by these rules. At the APEC demo, the police attacked our debriefing meeting, snatched a couple of members, and dragged them off. When we jumped up to stop them, they arrested another round of us, claiming that we were 'obstructing a police officer'. They then released the original group. This demonstrates that they were actively soliciting a response from us, and using this response to base their trumped-up charges on. There was a girl from Actively Radical TV, who was doing a documentary on APEC. She was filming our meeting. She got EVERYTHING that the police did on video. When they realised this, they ordered her to hand the tape over. She refused, and turned around and ran. They chased her, tackled her to the ground, arrested her, and seized her video. She was the ONLY person they held overnight ( everyone else they released within 6 hours ). They never gave her tape back to her, as it had evidence against them. So should we play ball with them, when they refuse to be accountable themselves? There are people with things to hide, sure. But this is no reason to hand our remaining rights over to anyone, and particularly not the police. Dan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
Joe Pfeiffer With an extreme effort of will, I'm not responding with a libertarian post. Please, let's not go off into politics here Ok. For a technical slant. Can people ever be compelled to supply truthful GPS information to LEO as long as open source cellphones are legal? We can all get highly creative in what data we supply to the unwashed masses. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ IPv6 on Fedora 7 http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/fedora/ipv6-tunnel.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
On 11/25/07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Can people ever be compelled to supply truthful GPS information to LEO as long as open source cellphones are legal? OK, legal matters aside, your network operators ALWAYS know where your phone is: cell towers can triangulate the position of your phone(it's like reverse GPS... multiple receivers on a single source). Most of the phone navigation, at least here in the US uses this technology... not GPS. Which firmware the phone runs is a non-issue.. they don't ask you they ask for that data. Technically the only way to prevent this is to not transmit. It is technically possible to re-write the GSMD to power down the GSM module unless you are placing a call (You'd still be traceable whilst actually placing a call, but not traceable otherwise) the downside is, you wouldn't be able to receive calls. Stopping the cell towers from tracing you wouldn't help either: It would be possible to set up an alternate antenna farm that decodes enough of the GSM signal to identify the transmitter. Pretty much at this point you should be realizing that there are only two possible ways to fix this: one is the legal things we're not talking about, because that's not my area of expertise (besides, I'm not sure how effective it would be), the other is to stop using any kind of transmitting device... technically anything that uses electricity. -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
On Nov 26, 2007, at 1:19 AM, flexd wrote: If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you? When you're a political dissident who is investigating the crimes of officials and politicians. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
