Qtopia 4.3.1 flash image and SDK
Trolltech released Qtopia Phone 4.3.1 today, and with it, a new flash image and vmware based open source Qtopia SDK for the Neo. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ GPL Qtopia source code can be downloaded from ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source Enjoy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SCALE 2008 recap, and a pre-paid SIM question for the list.
Hey all, First piece of good news: Michael was *swamped* at SCALE 6x, answering questions from probably hundreds of people asking what an open source phone was all about. There's definitely a buzz in the industry about OpenMoko, and being at SCALE was a definite boost in the exposure of what this project is trying to do! I wrote up a recap article on my blog if anyone's interested, and threw in a few badly-taken photos from a camera phone during one of the quieter moments. Relevant content about OpenMoko and getting my Neo working starts at the 3rd paragraph. http://iandouglas.com/scale-2008-and-openmoko Second piece of good news: my Neo works on both T-Mobile and ATT now. The problems I had with T-Mobile from back in December had nothing to do with the GSM modem firmware -- T-Mobile had told me they activated the pre-paid $100/1000minute pay-as-you-go SIM card fully, just plug-and-play. Turns out they didn't actually activate the *minutes* on the card. (My 3G card from ATT has a serial number on the wiki that matches a known working series of cards, but the T-Mobile card never worked) After T-Mobile activated the minutes, my Neo still wouldn't register on the T-Mobile network, even after 4 hours during a recharge session and a 25 mile drive through very metro areas of Los Angeles to get back to SCALE. Once I got back to SCALE, Michael tried the (supposedly now working) SIM card in his own T-Mobile phone, which received a call just fine from my ATT cell phone, and only THEN does my Neo connect to the T-Mobile network. So Michael and I discussed posing this experiment to the list to see if anyone else has come across something similar to know if my SIM card was just special (in a bad way), or whether others are experiencing this. Keep in mind the following points: 1. I had a pre-paid pay-as-you-go SIM card from T-Mobile 2. Inserting it into the Neo didn't register on the network 3. We placed the SIM in a phone sold by T-Mobile and it received a phone call 4. We put the SIM back into the Neo and it immediately registered on T-Mobile's network (usually within a matter of seconds). If anyone else out there can reproduce this activity, or NOT, when using pre-paid SIM cards, we'd sure like to hear from you about it. We're trying to figure out if there's still something in the GSM firmware that needs to be taken care of, or if my Neo needs to be looked at by the hardware team. Cheers, Ian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: brainstorming/organisation software
Jeff Andros wrote: http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page I've been using this for years. It's a fantastic way to organize ideas. It also turns out to be a great tool for taking notes, once you get the keybindings tweaked to suit your style. this might eventually run on the neo. I devoutly hope so. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.3.1 flash image and SDK
Paul Eggleton wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Trolltech released Qtopia Phone 4.3.1 today, and with it, a new flash image and vmware based open source Qtopia SDK for the Neo. Thanks Lorn. Could you also perhaps briefly mention what's new in this release? Cheers, Paul http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/release-4-3-1.html -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qtopia terminal app
One of the htc-linux guys ported embeddedkonsole/konsole 4 to Qtopia. I have done some more work on it for the Neo and created a qpk of it for the Neo running Qtopia, and put it up at qtopia.net Enjoy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
Would you explain? because this is very commonly believed: if you don't defend the patent you will lose it. Just depends how this phrase defend the patent is defined I guess... It differs in jurisdictions, but what most people confuse it trademark and patents. You can lose a trademark if you don't defend it. A starting point for research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_dilution Also you can lose your patent if you don't implement it, which is complete different from dilution but easy to confuse. What kind of protection is offered by the patent commons? How can a mere agreement among the parties involved (if there were any lawsuit about a breach thereof, it would be a civil suit) be stronger than the patent law itself, which specifies the rights of the patent owner to license the patent and collect royalties, or to sue for infringement? I trust that some lawyers have thought this through pretty thoroughly by now, but it hasn't been tested, right? I have no idea if there is case law. It would be governed by applicable contract law and what was actually agreed to... http://www.patentcommons.org/resources/about_commitments.php#type By making a Commitment, a Contributor gives permission for others to engage in activities it could otherwise prevent, or for which the Contributor could collect damages or royalties. Courts have concluded it is unfair and inequitable for Contributors to encourage others to rely on their promise they will not enforce their patents and then sue them for infringement for doing so Sounds like there might be some case law there already. I suspect you are right about this, but there really are credibility problems with software patents in general... they clearly suck, and many developers are in denial, and waiting for them to be finally disallowed by the gov't. But then again, that might never happen; and even if it did, would the existing software patents be thrown out, or grandfathered? It is hard to predict the future, especially ahead of time. Probably the large corporate special interests will get whatever they want, in the end. I agree. The situation is a mess. Just like the GPL is copyleft, hopefully the patent commons will become the same thing: patent everything we can and grant everyone the right to use it. -- Steven Kurylo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
Nils Faerber writes: Isn't this already a problem? From what I know especially in the US patent system you are *forced* to actively defend your patent, i.e. if you get to know that someone uses your patent and is not paying you roayalties (or you get an alternative commercial advantage like cross licensing) you have to sue him. If you do not do so the patent can be revoked. IANAL, but -- no. You seem to be confusing patents with trademarks -- you can lose a trademark by failing to actively defend it; a patent can't be revoked on those grounds (now, if you let somebody use your patent for a decade before you sue them, you could end up getting far less damages than you would have otherwise. But that's a different issue than losing the patent). And you have to collect royalties since the patent system only cares about businesses, i.e. the sole purpose of patents is to make money from it. Not using it to make money by either sublicensing or self-use of the IP will constitue non active use of the patent and is also a reason for revocation. Again, no. There is no requirement that you charge royalties. So even if you have the intend of not sueing you might be forced to either sue others and/or collect license fees. The expressed intend not to make money from the patent could already be a reason for not accepting it. So imagine someone else using the OpenMoko software on another device with some of your patented parts in it. You would be forced to sue this person/company/whatever. This is not what we you/we want. It's also not the law. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
From what I know especially in the US patent system you are *forced* to actively defend your patent, i.e. if you get to know that someone uses your patent and is not paying you roayalties (or you get an alternative commercial advantage like cross licensing) you have to sue him. If you do not do so the patent can be revoked. No. And you have to collect royalties since the patent system only cares about businesses, i.e. the sole purpose of patents is to make money from it. Not using it to make money by either sublicensing or self-use of the IP will constitue non active use of the patent and is also a reason for revocation. No. So even if you have the intend of not sueing you might be forced to either sue others and/or collect license fees. The expressed intend not to make money from the patent could already be a reason for not accepting it. No. So imagine someone else using the OpenMoko software on another device with some of your patented parts in it. You would be forced to sue this person/company/whatever. This is not what we you/we want. No. But as always: IANAL. Indeed :-) Starting to collect software patents would contradict your own claim of openness and support of free software. Not at all. Speaking as community guy I would say that with the software patents you would have to sign and publish a non-revocable community contract that sais quite explicitely for which use you would accept royaltee free use and of which patents. Only then the community would be safe. Else, at some later point in time, someone at OpenMoko/FIC might change their mind and try to make money from the patents. Definitely and thats what the patent commons are for. Oh, and it just occurred to me... AFAIK GPL V3 explicitely forbids software patents on GPLed code, does it? No it doesn't. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#v3PatentRetaliation If they patent software, and release that software under GPL3, they can't sue users of that software for patent infringement. But please do not consider software patents at any time! You will instantly loose your credibility in the open source world. Not at all. If they don't patent it, someone else will; then you're in real trouble. Its a broken system, but its one they have to work with. Sure you can point to prior art if someone else patents it - but challenging a patent costs money. Usually more than the cost of the patent in the first place. As long as they pledge the patents to the community, which from the original email is their goal, there is nothing wrong with getting patents. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bike power (Re: solar power)
I haven't read the rest of this discussion, but a human body in starvation will first of all burn muscle for energy, and after that it will start burning fat. The starvation response in the body starts setting in a few hours after you ate last time, which is why bodybuilders eat about 6 times a day. /Oliver -- Forwarded message -- From: Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:21:22 +0100 Subject: Marcel wrote: But you would really have to keep an eye on the overall ATP level, if it goes too low, there might something terrible happen... What does a body behave like on really low energy (ATP) levels? I am not a human body expert but my guess is: You get hungry and also your reserves are getting utilized (fat and muscle is burnt as well). SA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bike power (Re: solar power)
Sounds logically. ironySo this would be the perfect diet (suicide...) device, just keep hangin around without eating anything and you will get thinner and thinner.../irony But it might work if the transition between ATP and DC works somehow effectively... Worth an experiment :D Marcel Am Montag 11 Februar 2008 10:21:22 schrieb Schmidt András: Marcel wrote: But you would really have to keep an eye on the overall ATP level, if it goes too low, there might something terrible happen... What does a body behave like on really low energy (ATP) levels? I am not a human body expert but my guess is: You get hungry and also your reserves are getting utilized (fat and muscle is burnt as well). SA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia terminal app
GoXbox Live wrote: Hi ljp. I am about to upload a new Qtopia image for the Neo, I have just some kernel issue left and would like to add the qterminal imporvements to it if there are further changes to it than the source commited to the Qtopia git tree. . Could you also upload the source so others can take advantage of the improvements too. � thx all the changes are in tsdogs branch. Still looking into the input method not closing. goxbixlive 2008/2/11, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: One of the htc-linux guys ported embeddedkonsole/konsole 4 to Qtopia. I have done some more work on it for the Neo and created a qpk of it for the Neo running Qtopia, and put it up at qtopia.net http://qtopia.net Enjoy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
On Feb 11, 2008 12:20 PM, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I know especially in the US patent system you are *forced* to actively defend your patent, i.e. if you get to know that someone uses your patent and is not paying you roayalties (or you get an alternative commercial advantage like cross licensing) you have to sue him. If you do not do so the patent can be revoked. No. Would you explain? because this is very commonly believed: if you don't defend the patent you will lose it. Just depends how this phrase defend the patent is defined I guess... But as always: IANAL. Indeed :-) Are you a lawyer? Speaking as community guy I would say that with the software patents you would have to sign and publish a non-revocable community contract that sais quite explicitely for which use you would accept royaltee free use and of which patents. Only then the community would be safe. Else, at some later point in time, someone at OpenMoko/FIC might change their mind and try to make money from the patents. Definitely and thats what the patent commons are for. What kind of protection is offered by the patent commons? How can a mere agreement among the parties involved (if there were any lawsuit about a breach thereof, it would be a civil suit) be stronger than the patent law itself, which specifies the rights of the patent owner to license the patent and collect royalties, or to sue for infringement? I trust that some lawyers have thought this through pretty thoroughly by now, but it hasn't been tested, right? But please do not consider software patents at any time! You will instantly loose your credibility in the open source world. Not at all. If they don't patent it, someone else will; then you're in real trouble. Its a broken system, but its one they have to work with. Sure you can point to prior art if someone else patents it - but challenging a patent costs money. Usually more than the cost of the patent in the first place. I suspect you are right about this, but there really are credibility problems with software patents in general... they clearly suck, and many developers are in denial, and waiting for them to be finally disallowed by the gov't. But then again, that might never happen; and even if it did, would the existing software patents be thrown out, or grandfathered? It is hard to predict the future, especially ahead of time. Probably the large corporate special interests will get whatever they want, in the end. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
Sander van Grieken schrieb: [...] I really hope that OpenMoko will not be covered by any patents. (but I'm sure that there's a patent for a device allowing wireless communication somewhere) I totally agree with Lionel here. It will be bad PR wise and it's very difficult to enforce. Openmoko hardware and software are already covered by copyright, and I think a patent doesn't add any protection. Even if parts will be covered by a patent, chances are that some smart company can circumvent it by making small changes/improvements. Besides, what's there to patent? If I understand correctly, anything that's published (or available publicly) before the patent cannot be patented anymore, so that would include all openmoko software up to today, the CAD design for the casing, ideas on the wiki etc. Oh, and it just occurred to me... AFAIK GPL V3 explicitely forbids software patents on GPLed code, does it? Will that mean that OpenMoko code will stick with a modified GPL V2 (V2 usually has the clause or any later version which would include V3 and thus also the non-patent clause) or change license altogether? Software patents are evil - there is no way to argue for it. The only way to defend against patent issues is to have a nice and provable prior art collection. A public SVN, public WiKi and public web-pages are IMHO the best way for that. Web bots mirror the whole stuff on hundreds of independant servers and it can easily be researched by everyone. More should not be needed. The assurance you might feel by having a stack of patents is more like self-deception. Do you really think you can compete with your patent portfolio with a company like Nokia? Motorola? Samsung? NEC? Qualcom? No way. So why trying? Wouldn't it better to head a new development without patent fear? To show to other companies that patents are not the only source of whisdom, cash-flow and money making? I think the IP issue is largely exagerated these days. Yes, there are IP infringements in countries like China. But how do patents help there? They don't. They only handicap us, the people from exactly the countries that made the original invention. I had the impression that OpenMoko was already heading a revolutionary new way of creating a product, i.e. working together with a community, in the open and to work *together*. A company that first time has proven that making a mobile phone is no rocket science and not an area covered with legal trapdoors - up to now it worked! If you want to patent anything, well, do it with the hardware. The hardware patenting process is well defined and a patent in some hardware areas of the NEO phones will not hurt anybody. But please do not consider software patents at any time! You will instantly loose your credibility in the open source world. Or to make it more concrete: If OpenMoko should file *any* software patents I would have to stop to work with OpenMoko, as sorry as I would be. grtz, Sander Cheers nils faerber -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bike power (Re: solar power)
Marcel wrote: But you would really have to keep an eye on the overall ATP level, if it goes too low, there might something terrible happen... What does a body behave like on really low energy (ATP) levels? I am not a human body expert but my guess is: You get hungry and also your reserves are getting utilized (fat and muscle is burnt as well). SA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bike power (Re: solar power)
Am Montag 11 Februar 2008 01:04:34 schrieb Schmidt András: fun I have another futuristic idea :-). It has no name yet... It is a chemical power generator that generates DC using ATP from blood (the power source of the muscles). Installing this device in our body would equip us with some plugs that could be used directly for powering these devices. It is two in one: prevents you from the problem of discharged accumulators and also prevents you from getting overweighted :-). /fun Happy hacking! But you would really have to keep an eye on the overall ATP level, if it goes too low, there might something terrible happen... What does a body behave like on really low energy (ATP) levels? Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia terminal app
Hi ljp. I am about to upload a new Qtopia image for the Neo, I have just some kernel issue left and would like to add the qterminal imporvements to it if there are further changes to it than the source commited to the Qtopia git tree. . Could you also upload the source so others can take advantage of the improvements too. ¨ thx goxbixlive 2008/2/11, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One of the htc-linux guys ported embeddedkonsole/konsole 4 to Qtopia. I have done some more work on it for the Neo and created a qpk of it for the Neo running Qtopia, and put it up at qtopia.net Enjoy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
Nils, Thanks a lot for such an indepth reply. I need to think about a lot of these points. Let me just comment on a few now... On 2/11/08 Nils Faerber wrote: [snip] Are there any existing options available to us now? Does anyone know of existing companies or organizations with a similar strategy that we can seek guidance or partnership. Again, I want to emphasize that we only want our patents to be used in defense. And what constitutes defense is something that we want to be able to define (and potentially even redefine when new threats arise). This is a noble aim but very very difficult to reach. Perhaps. But I think we should try our best... Speaking as a free software acitvist especially software patents are a complete no-go. Speaking as community guy I would say that with the software patents you would have to sign and publish a non-revocable community contract that sais quite explicitely for which use you would accept royaltee free use and of which patents. Only then the community would be safe. Else, at some later point in time, someone at OpenMoko/FIC might change their mind and try to make money from the patents. I think there is a way to get around this legal. We're getting some advice from the SFLC later this week. I'll keep everyone posted as to our plans. Thanks in advance for the help. My very quick advice: Don't get your hands dirty with patents, especially with software. You will loose a lot of credibility in the free software world and the benefit is questionable. With all due respect, I must disagree here. Not filing for patents, is hardly an option for a global company in this day and age. The larger we get, the more of target we become. I'm confident we can reach a solution that will be helpful for both our business and the community. I will keep you all posted as to our progress. Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.3.1 flash image and SDK
Lorn Potter wrote: Trolltech released Qtopia Phone 4.3.1 today, and with it, a new flash image and vmware based open source Qtopia SDK for the Neo. Thanks Lorn. Could you also perhaps briefly mention what's new in this release? Cheers, Paul ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: Dear Community, Hello Sean, and others... Most of you know that OpenMoko is a fully independent company at this point. With this great opportunity comes many challenges. Today I would like to share one with you all and ask for some advice. We need to file patents for our hardware as well as software designs. While my personal views on software patents are inline with people like Eben Moglen, as a company, we are forced to play by the rules of the game. Who did cast those rules in stone? The degree of how far you want to bend is defines by your own. The felt pressure is just felt and does not need to be real. There are hundreds of companies, big and small, who by now have stated that they will not apply for software patents. This tells me that those rules are not so hard. What I want is for a our company's patents to be freely available, for anyone, but for defensive purposes only. Isn't this already a problem? From what I know especially in the US patent system you are *forced* to actively defend your patent, i.e. if you get to know that someone uses your patent and is not paying you roayalties (or you get an alternative commercial advantage like cross licensing) you have to sue him. If you do not do so the patent can be revoked. And you have to collect royalties since the patent system only cares about businesses, i.e. the sole purpose of patents is to make money from it. Not using it to make money by either sublicensing or self-use of the IP will constitue non active use of the patent and is also a reason for revocation. So even if you have the intend of not sueing you might be forced to either sue others and/or collect license fees. The expressed intend not to make money from the patent could already be a reason for not accepting it. So imagine someone else using the OpenMoko software on another device with some of your patented parts in it. You would be forced to sue this person/company/whatever. This is not what we you/we want. But as always: IANAL. Another problem is that software patents are still not possible at all in the European Community, which is IMHO very good. And apart from that software patents are a bad idea in itself. Software is way too flexible to be described accurate enough to write a patent. So what happens is that all software patent claims are way too broad - they cover not only a specific invention but one patent already covers a vast area of inventions and thus preventing further invention by others in the whole area. Sorry, but software patents *must* be avoided by any means! There are for sure cases where a software patent might be well defined and could be argued for. But as long as the legislation allows such broad and undefined claims I am completely against it. And frankly I do not see a way to make the patent rules specific enough for that. For more information against software patents please have a thorough look at http://www.ffii.org/ and http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/ Starting to collect software patents would contradict your own claim of openness and support of free software. Are there any existing options available to us now? Does anyone know of existing companies or organizations with a similar strategy that we can seek guidance or partnership. Again, I want to emphasize that we only want our patents to be used in defense. And what constitutes defense is something that we want to be able to define (and potentially even redefine when new threats arise). This is a noble aim but very very difficult to reach. Speaking as a free software acitvist especially software patents are a complete no-go. Speaking as community guy I would say that with the software patents you would have to sign and publish a non-revocable community contract that sais quite explicitely for which use you would accept royaltee free use and of which patents. Only then the community would be safe. Else, at some later point in time, someone at OpenMoko/FIC might change their mind and try to make money from the patents. Thanks in advance for the help. My very quick advice: Don't get your hands dirty with patents, especially with software. You will loose a lot of credibility in the free software world and the benefit is questionable. Sean Cheers nils -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A bit of fun - freerunner and the wisdom of crowds
Nice page Tim :-) Did you put a link to it on the main FreeRunner Wiki Page? Bren Thanks Bren! Appreciate the feedback :-) I did place a link on the wiki. I figured it was most appropriate here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List under the subheading Fun. Any thoughts, as always, are most welcome. --tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: brainstorming/organisation software
Jeff Andros wrote: On Feb 10, 2008 6:42 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm looking for some software to eventually go on my neo, but i've no idea what it would be called I think mind mapping might be what you're looking for, check out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map for software the gold standard is mindmanager www.mindjet.com but that seems to be windows/mac only. I used this for what you're describing and some note taking on a tablet when I was in school. I saw another that is java based, haven't used it but http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page this might eventually run on the neo. anyways check these out, see if they do what you want I just noticed a Debian Package a Day post that covers Vym - an easy mind mapping and drafting tool. It may not be appropriate for the Neo, though. http://debaday.debian.net/2008/01/27/vym-view-your-mind-easy-mind-mapping-and-drafting-tool/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A bit of fun - freerunner and the wisdom of crowds
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 5:28 AM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can you change my guess (Flerchjj) to 3000? Done. On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A scatter plot would be cool with some more sales to a given month period that could be guessed. At least additional guesses for sales in first 6 and 12 months would be interesting. That could be interesting alright. :-) Tim Kersten wrote: The site is up. It's mostly untested. See it here: http://openmoko.hobby-site.com/ It has the features that were mentioned in the original opening email of this thread. It's not possible to edit entries at the moment, but I can add this if it's needed. I figured it doesn't need any authentication. Do you think a captcha is necessary? Feedback is of course appreciated. I can't make any promises about finding time to make improvements to it though, as I'm fairly busy with college. If I find/have time I'll gladly do it :-) Cheers, --tim On Sat, Feb 9, 2008 at 5:13 PM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Kersten [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As there doesn't seem to be any takers, I'll offer to give it a shot.--tim nice one tim! JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
