Re: Web Browser?
ewanm89 ha scritto: On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:07:27 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] Webkit is the rendering engine of safari (including iphone version). Just a question, may be it was answered somewhere in th list but why webkit and not the gecko? (no flame intention, only curious about the choice) Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Release Date
I have a question: who never wrote an email like this when the iphone project was in progress? Answer: No one. Why? Because the Apple keep all the project under a very strict secret until all was ready. No one know about it and when it went out all was happy to have a customer ready phone. So no one had to cry because the Iphone had delay because no one knew about it. Openmoko decided to took another decision: it decided to share the develop process with the comunity: this mean that before to be ready for production it will be released in different preview only version. Then you have to choose: you 'd like to stay under a bad "democracy" or in a good "monarchy"? you are free to choose. If you want a democracy this are the issue you will meet: developer only version, bug that will be corrected only on time, etc. etc. I you like more a monarchy buy an Iphone: it will run soon, is already in production, has some complete application, and has a very big firm that support it. The biggest error that some people do is that they thing Openmoko == Iphone: FALSE Are two different devices, with two different target. In the same way how Linux != Windows And they have different potentiality: freedom has a cost :) So before to buy a freerunner, please think well on what you need. May be you need something else, or is better you will buy in the future. But if you decide to buy, please keep in mind which are the objective of what you buy. Best regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Release Date
I've been reading along for quite a while now and unfortunately I'm starting to agree with posts like this. For example, here's part of an email dated 10/23/2007: > As someone who has been waiting on pins and needles for months for > this phone, I too am wondering why there has not been an announcement > of some kind, since up to now they've been saying "October" and we're > 3/4 of the way through the month. If it's going to be January or > later, that's fine (and that's probably still optimistic, considering > what I've been reading on the lists), but they really should keep us > posted. It's extremely inconsiderate to keep everybody in suspense > like this. > > - Wolfmane This was a problem back in October 2007! Now we're in to April 2008? And how do we go from expecting it "this month" to 6 months later? That's quite a delay, and still with no release date in sight. I was originally holding off on my cell phone plan until October. People kept saying to buy a cheap sim phone as a temporary phone...and I did...but this has been a very long time for being "temporary". My current phone has all kinds of problems with freezing and other annoyances. I have kept holding out for the Neo...but now the iPhone has an SDK...and honestly I've seriously been considering it. Of course, I'd really much rather have a completely open phone, but I'm pretty pessimistic about it being available anytime soon. I am a programmer, I don't expect to have the fully functional "consumer grade" version, however I didn't want to spend money on the "beta" hardware with the real phone right around the corner, either. I believe in the idea of open source, and I'm more than willing to spend a little more money for an open phone. I guess things have been better lately, but for a while everyone felt like we were in the dark entirely. Now we know the phone's being worked on but we still don't have much of an idea about when it'll be out. I'm not giving in to the iPhone yet, I'm a pretty patient person, and I love the concept here. I just wanted to add my thoughts and note that I can relate to people who are feeling frustrated. On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Sean Anderson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think many people are anxious to know when the Neo FreeRunner will > actually be released. I know of many people that are quite eager to buy > one; if it won't be ready till December, say so. Stop keeping hundreds > of people waiting with bated breath for a device that seems to be be > unlikely to ever see the light of day in any stable form. Be open, give > the community more detailed information; when is it likely to be > released, why and why not? > > The OpenMoko project, as it appears to others, is a failure of the open > source model rather than the visible example of the success of open > development that it rightly should be. > > I've been expecting the opportunity to buy a Neo for over six months > now, and it seems to be that the only way in which to obtain a small > form-factor smartphone is to pop into the cathedral and buy an iPhone. > > Sean. > > So why is it called the Neo 1973? I get the "neo" part, that means new, > but what's significant of 1973? > > That was the original release date! > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: location-oriented services
Hi John, There is an on-going work on projects.openmoko.org to provide similar service: http://diversity.projects.openmoko.org/ The server is a jabber server. We use GEOLOC extension for location exchange. Locally, there is a daemon running. It works as a jabber client (and more). The UIs communicate with the daemon through dbus. On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 12:31:29PM +0100, john wrote: > Hi. I have been working on a D-Bus location-oriented service. I would > like to get some feedback to help direct the development and possibly > get some others involved. There are also some important non-technical > issues I would like to address. > > Firstly, the D-Bus service is a server type process to look-up the > distance of other users of the system. It has a simple interface which > has been designed to be self-clocking. What this means is you need to > "ping" in location to update your local database of distance > information. One of the ideas behind this was to encourage updates > rather than be dominated by look-ups. A key feature of updating the > database in this system is that transferring the data required is done > in a very efficient manor. It actually "bit packs" the data. This > makes no assumptions about the quality or cost of the underlying > network. > > So how would this be used? Well, I need some help with ideas and > clients. A simple use case would be to match users to your contacts > list and alert when they are within a certain distance. There are > other D-Bus location-oriented projects which could be integrated or > used in some way. > > Are there any students working on GSOC projects in this area? > > It is my intention to release all code including server. This brings > me to the non-technical issues. Although I don't have any problems > running server processes on my own hardware etc I think there are some > issues which need to be addressed. I understand the privacy concerns > of using these types of services and want to make this as open as > possible. Releasing the server code is fine but it does not actually > mean the "real" server is some other code doing something evil and > logging your data etc. This is where a trusted third party needs to be > involved. If these server processes were run from such a source it > would be a step in the right direction. How do others feel about this? > I know some people will never use these types of services full stop. > That is fine. I know others are interested in using them. I personally > am not interested in plotting on a map where I am. I don't mind > knowing that I am approximately close to something or someone and > vice-versa. > > Anyway, I think D-Bus provides us with a good opportunity to develop > some cool applications in this mobile space. Interested in your > thoughts? > > John (zedstar on IRC). > -- Regards, olv ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:07:27 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marcus Bauer wrote: > > The current browser is based on webkit and has Javascript, DOM etc. > > > > However, the CPU is to slow and the screen to small. Much more fun > > is 'links' which does have a graphics mode and simply ignores most > > CSS. But it is blazingly fast and many pages are better readable > > with it - thanks to the fact that most websites have no longer > > table based layout but a div based. Thus pages get simply shown > > sequentially - one div after the next. Even wikipedia becomes very > > readable on the small screen. > > I'd like to have something like the browser that iphone has, btw > those are my few suggestions [1]. Is this possible? > Webkit is the rendering engine of safari (including iphone version). -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89/Cap_J_L_Picard on irc) http://ewanm89.co.uk/ Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Release Date
> Sometimes the hardest thing to answer is "I don't know". My personal > opinion here is that "I don't know" is probably the best answer there > is. As a user, I want to know EXACTLY when I can expect my next dose > of sexiness in hardware form. As someone who supports and understands > business, saying "Freerunner will be here in September" is suicide IF > there are issues discovered in August. Openmoko can't give you a > release date because giving a release date depends on the schedule > being followed. Hardware defects, supplier issues, vendor commitments > being met, et cetera. > > I'd settle at this point, and really kind of want a "Assuming nothing > delays us..." answer... But even then the pragmatist in me cringes at > that. No matter how many disclaimers are attached to it, ANY statement > by Openmoko will be Gospel Truth to SOME people and those people's > disappointment may be very REAL losses of sales. The last official > answer that was given is "April... Maybe." It's still April, so > there's time to correct that. > > > > The OpenMoko project, as it appears to others, is a failure of the open > > source model rather than the visible example of the success of open > > development that it rightly should be. > > Openmoko has given continuous updates as the information is available > to them. That information changes daily, just live source code, as > various issues are discovered. You speak as if you've been deprived of > some natural right... Openmoko has promised that they'll try to be as > open as possible and get you a consumer ready device as soon as they > can. Until then, you've got a developer ready device, and that was > made VERY clear when you clicked "Buy" and input your payment > information. Actually, this reply answers all my questions, and takes care of a few misconceptions. It seems to have been understood by me, and people I've discussed the phone with, that the GTA02 was going to be a consumer-ready product. When i read an interview in LinuxJournal with Sean Moss-Pultz last summer I thought "great, well at the very least I'll be able to get it for Christmas". Clearly this was a misunderstanding, and perhaps something and LJ and other publicists of the Moko, or OpenMoko themselves, have not been doing quite enough to state clearly is that the GTA02 is not going to be a consumer-ready release, and that potential buyers should not be expecting the phone any time soon. But if the Moko is not going to be released to the mass market even before possibly even the beginning of next year, this raises another question. Will it not be a case that the Moko will be just another device in a stream of hardware that is being produced at the moment in an attempt to emulate the success of the iPhone? > > I've been expecting the opportunity to buy a Neo for over six months > > now, and it seems to be that the only way in which to obtain a small > > form-factor smartphone is to pop into the cathedral and buy an iPhone. > > I bought my Neo in January. The opportunity ot buy a Neo existed less > than two months ago. For some reason you didn't because (I'm > presuming) it didn't meet your needs at the time. It really looks to > me that this is an issue of misplaces expectations than anything else. > Developers have been clamoring for a developer preview of Freerunner, > which has been pushed back and back. Openmoko has NEVER promised a > release date for a CONSUMER READY Freerunner, ONLY the developer > previews. > Point taken. I do still need an operational phone... It was my impression that the GTA02 would be roughly equivalent to a release candidate of software and any bugs would be ironed out... > > So why is it called the Neo 1973? I get the "neo" part, that means new, > > but what's significant of 1973? > > 1973 was the year the mobile phone was invented. > > > > That was the original release date! It was a joke. Possibly in bad taste following the acerbic email it was attached to, but nonetheless still a joke :) Sean. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Release Date
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Sean Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think many people are anxious to know when the Neo FreeRunner will > actually be released. I know of many people that are quite eager to buy > one; if it won't be ready till December, say so. Stop keeping hundreds > of people waiting with bated breath for a device that seems to be be > unlikely to ever see the light of day in any stable form. Be open, give > the community more detailed information; when is it likely to be > released, why and why not? Sometimes the hardest thing to answer is "I don't know". My personal opinion here is that "I don't know" is probably the best answer there is. As a user, I want to know EXACTLY when I can expect my next dose of sexiness in hardware form. As someone who supports and understands business, saying "Freerunner will be here in September" is suicide IF there are issues discovered in August. Openmoko can't give you a release date because giving a release date depends on the schedule being followed. Hardware defects, supplier issues, vendor commitments being met, et cetera. I'd settle at this point, and really kind of want a "Assuming nothing delays us..." answer... But even then the pragmatist in me cringes at that. No matter how many disclaimers are attached to it, ANY statement by Openmoko will be Gospel Truth to SOME people and those people's disappointment may be very REAL losses of sales. The last official answer that was given is "April... Maybe." It's still April, so there's time to correct that. > > The OpenMoko project, as it appears to others, is a failure of the open > source model rather than the visible example of the success of open > development that it rightly should be. Openmoko has given continuous updates as the information is available to them. That information changes daily, just live source code, as various issues are discovered. You speak as if you've been deprived of some natural right... Openmoko has promised that they'll try to be as open as possible and get you a consumer ready device as soon as they can. Until then, you've got a developer ready device, and that was made VERY clear when you clicked "Buy" and input your payment information. > > I've been expecting the opportunity to buy a Neo for over six months > now, and it seems to be that the only way in which to obtain a small > form-factor smartphone is to pop into the cathedral and buy an iPhone. I bought my Neo in January. The opportunity ot buy a Neo existed less than two months ago. For some reason you didn't because (I'm presuming) it didn't meet your needs at the time. It really looks to me that this is an issue of misplaces expectations than anything else. Developers have been clamoring for a developer preview of Freerunner, which has been pushed back and back. Openmoko has NEVER promised a release date for a CONSUMER READY Freerunner, ONLY the developer previews. > > Sean. > > So why is it called the Neo 1973? I get the "neo" part, that means new, > but what's significant of 1973? 1973 was the year the mobile phone was invented. > > That was the original release date! > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Release Date
On 04/06/2008 08:41 PM, Sean Anderson wrote: > I think many people are anxious to know when the Neo FreeRunner will > actually be released. I know of many people that are quite eager to buy > one; if it won't be ready till December, say so. Stop keeping hundreds > of people waiting with bated breath for a device that seems to be be > unlikely to ever see the light of day in any stable form. Be open, give > the community more detailed information; when is it likely to be > released, why and why not? > > The OpenMoko project, as it appears to others, is a failure of the open > source model rather than the visible example of the success of open > development that it rightly should be. > > I've been expecting the opportunity to buy a Neo for over six months > now, and it seems to be that the only way in which to obtain a small > form-factor smartphone is to pop into the cathedral and buy an iPhone. Says the guy who doesn't read his email. I.e. "Product Update" sent 1 hour and 57 minutes before the above message and on the same list (though to interpret its meaning, one also needs to have read previous messages on the list or to spend some time looking through an archive). Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02 Release Date
I think many people are anxious to know when the Neo FreeRunner will actually be released. I know of many people that are quite eager to buy one; if it won't be ready till December, say so. Stop keeping hundreds of people waiting with bated breath for a device that seems to be be unlikely to ever see the light of day in any stable form. Be open, give the community more detailed information; when is it likely to be released, why and why not? The OpenMoko project, as it appears to others, is a failure of the open source model rather than the visible example of the success of open development that it rightly should be. I've been expecting the opportunity to buy a Neo for over six months now, and it seems to be that the only way in which to obtain a small form-factor smartphone is to pop into the cathedral and buy an iPhone. Sean. So why is it called the Neo 1973? I get the "neo" part, that means new, but what's significant of 1973? > That was the original release date! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS refresh maps?
On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 16:16 -0700, John Locke wrote: > Fantastic work on TangoGPS--it's seen more use than anything else on my > Neo... and today I just tested out the tracking feature, following > Marcus's instructions to upload my map to openstreetmap.org for some > trails in a local park... great fun! > > That brings up a question, though--when my contributions reach the map, > how do I refresh the maps I've already downloaded? Is there a setting to > make TangoGPS check to see if there's a newer version of a tile? I'm not > set up for GPRS, and I've got quite a few tiles downloaded to the sd > card I'd rather not lose... Hi John, inspired by your mail and Sean's latest blog post, I released version 0.7.98 - which does exactly what you want :o) Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...
On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:31:03 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > interesting you mention this. i actually thought of using aspell as the
> > core of a probability and correction matching engine, but as such it's api
> > isn't sufficient to use it.
>
> That was my idea/hope too...
> > so anyway- aspell would have been great - it'd offload the matching to a
> > library designed for this kind of stuff, but alas, it's api is not
> > sufficient, so i need to do a custom one. :(
>
> I agree with your ':('... :P
> BTW maybe the aspell data (dictionaries) could be used, isn't it? I hope
> it will be possible to have some compatibility with it since it's the
> most used correction tool on open systems, and this would allow to use
> the many resources that are already available for it without creating
> them (again) from scratch.
i'd love to - but i need to do this fast. no moretime to look. what i need from
aspell api-wise is a:
"do any words start with "age" for example (not just does this match anything
in the dictionary). in fact that is all i need - start with... :)
right now it's probably faster/easier for me to just take /usr/share/dict/words
and turn that into a binary file i can mmap and quickly search (or build an
index file into the words file for lookups). we can look at aspell later. this
would be a worthy api to add to aspell.
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Re: Product Update
steve ha scritto: Moved onto the next stage PVT. Verifying the design for Production. This stage is always a bit annoying Because the temptation is to throw the switch and build a billion phones. There are three PVT builds scheduled And the first has been completed. The completed handsets will be tested and then we will tweak the process and build two more PVT batches. It's the final push people so everybody keep your good humour. My humor is more than up, btw how much should these tests last if all goes as expected? :P Thanks! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
interesting you mention this. i actually thought of using aspell as the core of
a probability and correction matching engine, but as such it's api isn't
sufficient to use it.
That was my idea/hope too...
so anyway- aspell would have been great - it'd offload the matching to a
library designed for this kind of stuff, but alas, it's api is not sufficient,
so i need to do a custom one. :(
I agree with your ':('... :P
BTW maybe the aspell data (dictionaries) could be used, isn't it? I hope
it will be possible to have some compatibility with it since it's the
most used correction tool on open systems, and this would allow to use
the many resources that are already available for it without creating
them (again) from scratch.
--
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http://www.3v1n0.net/
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tangoGPS refresh maps?
Hi, Fantastic work on TangoGPS--it's seen more use than anything else on my Neo... and today I just tested out the tracking feature, following Marcus's instructions to upload my map to openstreetmap.org for some trails in a local park... great fun! That brings up a question, though--when my contributions reach the map, how do I refresh the maps I've already downloaded? Is there a setting to make TangoGPS check to see if there's a newer version of a tile? I'm not set up for GPRS, and I've got quite a few tiles downloaded to the sd card I'd rather not lose... Cheers, -- John Locke "Open Source Solutions for Small Business Problems" published by Charles River Media, June 2004 http://www.freelock.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Product Update
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Tim Kersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:44 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > As I explained a while back we had a few milestones to hit before > beginning > > mass production. > > The First was DVT. Building phones and verifying the design. That's been > > completed and so we have > > Moved onto the next stage PVT. Verifying the design for Production. This > > stage is always a bit annoying > > Because the temptation is to throw the switch and build a billion phones. > > There are three PVT builds scheduled > > And the first has been completed. The completed handsets will be tested > and > > then we will tweak the process and build two more PVT batches. It's the > > final push people so everybody keep your good humour. > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > Congratulations!!! I'm glad to see things looking so good :-) > > -- > Kind Regards, > Tim > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Congratulations! That's great news, thank you for sharing it with us! -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Product Update
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:44 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As I explained a while back we had a few milestones to hit before beginning > mass production. > The First was DVT. Building phones and verifying the design. That's been > completed and so we have > Moved onto the next stage PVT. Verifying the design for Production. This > stage is always a bit annoying > Because the temptation is to throw the switch and build a billion phones. > There are three PVT builds scheduled > And the first has been completed. The completed handsets will be tested and > then we will tweak the process and build two more PVT batches. It's the > final push people so everybody keep your good humour. > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Congratulations!!! I'm glad to see things looking so good :-) -- Kind Regards, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Product Update
As I explained a while back we had a few milestones to hit before beginning mass production. The First was DVT. Building phones and verifying the design. That's been completed and so we have Moved onto the next stage PVT. Verifying the design for Production. This stage is always a bit annoying Because the temptation is to throw the switch and build a billion phones. There are three PVT builds scheduled And the first has been completed. The completed handsets will be tested and then we will tweak the process and build two more PVT batches. It's the final push people so everybody keep your good humour. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
Sebastian Billaudelle writes: >> There is no such thing as an "USB 2.0 cable". It is called "USB >> cable". There is no difference between a cable used for USB 1.0, 1.1 >> or 2.0. > >Yes, there is! With USB 1.x you afaik can use longer cables! But >normally you are right. For normal use there is no difference! No, there isn't. Same cables, same max length. It's entirely likely that a longer non-compliant cable would actually work with 1.1 speeds than 2.0 speeds, but that's a different question. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
Good luck Alexander Frøyseth wrote: This will wait til tomorrow up 6:15 AM ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
This will wait til tomorrow up 6:15 AM Michele Renda skrev: Nice question The only way I know is this: 1. launch the qemu emulator and load the image 2. Using this wiki configure the ssh access (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd) 3. Then to configure sshfs on your pc to access to a ssh share :) You will mount the image as a ssh share and enjoy :) (Ps. if you use gnome you can use Places -> Connect to server -> ssh, it run) Alexander Frøyseth wrote: I found out of it now. but how do I transfere files to det image? Can I do that at all? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
Marcus Bauer wrote: The current browser is based on webkit and has Javascript, DOM etc. However, the CPU is to slow and the screen to small. Much more fun is 'links' which does have a graphics mode and simply ignores most CSS. But it is blazingly fast and many pages are better readable with it - thanks to the fact that most websites have no longer table based layout but a div based. Thus pages get simply shown sequentially - one div after the next. Even wikipedia becomes very readable on the small screen. I'd like to have something like the browser that iphone has, btw those are my few suggestions [1]. Is this possible? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
That's what I meant... Am Sonntag, den 06.04.2008, 23:29 +0200 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen: > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Sebastian Billaudelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > There is no such thing as an "USB 2.0 cable". It is called "USB > > cable". There is no difference between a cable used for USB 1.0, 1.1 > > or 2.0. > > > > Yes, there is! With USB 1.x you afaik can use longer cables! But normally > > you are right. For normal use there is no difference! > > That is only directly related to the transfer speed:) > It is the same with TP cables and anything else. Lower speed - longer distance > > Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie 1. kein ISO Standard sind, 2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und 3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind! Benutze bitte das "Open Document Format" - jeder kann es kostenlos öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren! signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
Nice question The only way I know is this: 1. launch the qemu emulator and load the image 2. Using this wiki configure the ssh access (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd) 3. Then to configure sshfs on your pc to access to a ssh share :) You will mount the image as a ssh share and enjoy :) (Ps. if you use gnome you can use Places -> Connect to server -> ssh, it run) Alexander Frøyseth wrote: I found out of it now. but how do I transfere files to det image? Can I do that at all? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
Michele Renda skrev: Sorry for delay :) I to solve this problem you can delete all the *.jffs2 and *.bin files from you qemu-neo1973/openmoko directory. Then to launch another time the openmoko/download.sh script. This issue is generated by an wrong image sorting, that put you to use an old image with a new svn version of the software. It made me crazy :) Ps. Don't forget to make a "svn update" before to download :) Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Michele Renda skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Can you send a link to the image? I use the qemu image available using: svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 then making openmoko/download.sh it download the openmoko image. I undestand that to have an Freerunner emulator I have to apply the /openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch It is right? / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hmm I get an error message when I rune openmoko/flash.sh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/qemu-neo1973$ ./openmoko/flash.sh /usr/bin/pngtopnm /usr/bin/ppmtorgb3 make: `splash.gz' is up to date. Using 'uImage-2.6.24+svnr4301-r4251-r5-om-gta01.bin' as the kernel image. Using 'Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080406-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2' as the root filesystem image. Using 'u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc115106454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin' as bootloader. # Making an empty/erased flash image. Need a correct echo behavior. echo -en \\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377 > .8b cat .8b .8b > .16b # OOB is 16 bytes cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b > .512b cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b cat .512b .16b > .sec # A sector is 512 bytes of data + OOB cat .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec > .8sec cat .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec > .64sec cat .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec > .512sec cat .512sec .512sec .512sec .512sec > .2ksec cat .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec > .16ksec # Neo NAND is 128k sectors big cat .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec > openmoko-flash.base rm -rf .8b .16b .512b .sec .8sec .64sec .512sec .2ksec .16ksec ./openmoko/flash.sh: line 80: /home/alectbm/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: No such file or directory Please wait, programming the NAND flash... U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up. Any idea to a solution? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I found out of it now. but how do I transfere files to det image? Can I do that at all? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
Sorry for delay :) I to solve this problem you can delete all the *.jffs2 and *.bin files from you qemu-neo1973/openmoko directory. Then to launch another time the openmoko/download.sh script. This issue is generated by an wrong image sorting, that put you to use an old image with a new svn version of the software. It made me crazy :) Ps. Don't forget to make a "svn update" before to download :) Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Michele Renda skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Can you send a link to the image? I use the qemu image available using: svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 then making openmoko/download.sh it download the openmoko image. I undestand that to have an Freerunner emulator I have to apply the /openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch It is right? / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hmm I get an error message when I rune openmoko/flash.sh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/qemu-neo1973$ ./openmoko/flash.sh /usr/bin/pngtopnm /usr/bin/ppmtorgb3 make: `splash.gz' is up to date. Using 'uImage-2.6.24+svnr4301-r4251-r5-om-gta01.bin' as the kernel image. Using 'Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080406-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2' as the root filesystem image. Using 'u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc115106454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin' as bootloader. # Making an empty/erased flash image. Need a correct echo behavior. echo -en \\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377 > .8b cat .8b .8b > .16b # OOB is 16 bytes cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b > .512b cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b cat .512b .16b > .sec # A sector is 512 bytes of data + OOB cat .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec > .8sec cat .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec > .64sec cat .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec > .512sec cat .512sec .512sec .512sec .512sec > .2ksec cat .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec > .16ksec # Neo NAND is 128k sectors big cat .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec > openmoko-flash.base rm -rf .8b .16b .512b .sec .8sec .64sec .512sec .2ksec .16ksec ./openmoko/flash.sh: line 80: /home/alectbm/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: No such file or directory Please wait, programming the NAND flash... U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up. Any idea to a solution? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Sebastian Billaudelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There is no such thing as an "USB 2.0 cable". It is called "USB > cable". There is no difference between a cable used for USB 1.0, 1.1 > or 2.0. > > Yes, there is! With USB 1.x you afaik can use longer cables! But normally > you are right. For normal use there is no difference! That is only directly related to the transfer speed:) It is the same with TP cables and anything else. Lower speed - longer distance -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
Michele Renda skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Can you send a link to the image? I use the qemu image available using: svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 then making openmoko/download.sh it download the openmoko image. I undestand that to have an Freerunner emulator I have to apply the /openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch It is right? / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I found out of it Used this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
Michele Renda skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Can you send a link to the image? I use the qemu image available using: svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 then making openmoko/download.sh it download the openmoko image. I undestand that to have an Freerunner emulator I have to apply the /openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch It is right? / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hmm I get an error message when I rune openmoko/flash.sh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/qemu-neo1973$ ./openmoko/flash.sh /usr/bin/pngtopnm /usr/bin/ppmtorgb3 make: `splash.gz' is up to date. Using 'uImage-2.6.24+svnr4301-r4251-r5-om-gta01.bin' as the kernel image. Using 'Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080406-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2' as the root filesystem image. Using 'u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc115106454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin' as bootloader. # Making an empty/erased flash image. Need a correct echo behavior. echo -en \\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377 > .8b cat .8b .8b > .16b # OOB is 16 bytes cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b > .512b cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b cat .512b .16b > .sec # A sector is 512 bytes of data + OOB cat .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec > .8sec cat .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec > .64sec cat .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec > .512sec cat .512sec .512sec .512sec .512sec > .2ksec cat .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec > .16ksec # Neo NAND is 128k sectors big cat .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec > openmoko-flash.base rm -rf .8b .16b .512b .sec .8sec .64sec .512sec .2ksec .16ksec ./openmoko/flash.sh: line 80: /home/alectbm/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: No such file or directory Please wait, programming the NAND flash... U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up. Any idea to a solution? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
> There is no such thing as an "USB 2.0 cable". It is called "USB > cable". There is no difference between a cable used for USB 1.0, 1.1 > or 2.0. Yes, there is! With USB 1.x you afaik can use longer cables! But normally you are right. For normal use there is no difference! cheers Sebastian signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:41:24 +0100 "Flemming Richter Mikkelsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On 3/1/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:50:14 +0100 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i WANT to type "waste". > > > > i press w - but really my finger may easily hit q,e,a or s - maybe even r, > > d, z or t. as such every key has a center point. my finger will try and > > press somewhere close to this center, but may fail and be closer to > > something else. distance from the center point of a key will be the > > probability that you wanted that key. for practical computation u need to > > have a cutoff of X pixels away and ignore any possibilities greater than > > that, so then u press another key. now u are close to 1 key - but also to > > others. so as you type you get something like (a key, then a closeness > > value from 1 to 9 lets say, where 9 is the closest. closeness is just a > > measure of distance - inverted): > > I really like this idea. I think it should also use aspell (a great > dict. with many words in many languages) in combination with a user > dictionary. interesting you mention this. i actually thought of using aspell as the core of a probability and correction matching engine, but as such it's api isn't sufficient to use it. you need to be able to quickly eliminate probability sequences letter by letter, otherwise your "possible matches" space is so huge it'll never compute the corrected word. as such though, a corrective keyboard is doing spelling correction for you anyway - it needs to just to be able to correct the inaccurate typing :) so anyway- aspell would have been great - it'd offload the matching to a library designed for this kind of stuff, but alas, it's api is not sufficient, so i need to do a custom one. :( -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
Joe Pfeiffer skrev: Alexander Fr?yseth writes: Why is it USB 1.1 on the neo, and not USB 2.0? It is cheaper to buy a USB 2.0 cable, than a card reader. The processor on the neo isn't able to support 2.0. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Okey, thanks for answer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
Hehe Forgot to tell that I will use USB to transfere files from PC to Neo, insted of WiFi and SD cards Flemming Richter Mikkelsen skrev: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why is it USB 1.1 on the neo, and not USB 2.0? The CPU on the Freerunner is not capable of 480Mb/s. I think 14Mb/s was max, but I didn't check it. It is cheaper to buy a USB 2.0 cable, than a card reader. There is no such thing as an "USB 2.0 cable". It is called "USB cable". There is no difference between a cable used for USB 1.0, 1.1 or 2.0. And what has this to do with a card reader??? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
Alexander Fr?yseth writes: >Why is it USB 1.1 on the neo, and not USB 2.0? >It is cheaper to buy a USB 2.0 cable, than a card reader. The processor on the neo isn't able to support 2.0. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 11:22 -0700, Uncle Kridley wrote: > What sort of browser will Openmoko have? From various postings on the > lists I get them impression that there is a (somewhat) working browser, > but the wiki page is very sketchy. > > Will/does it support the following? > > *) Javascript > > *) DOM > > *) Cookies > > In short, is it a real browser (like FF, Safari, Konqueror), or a > half-baked thing like Blazer (the stock Treo 650 browser)? > > I have an idea for a browser-based ebook reader package that uses > javascript to do autoscroll and page-drag (like Plucker)... > The current browser is based on webkit and has Javascript, DOM etc. However, the CPU is to slow and the screen to small. Much more fun is 'links' which does have a graphics mode and simply ignores most CSS. But it is blazingly fast and many pages are better readable with it - thanks to the fact that most websites have no longer table based layout but a div based. Thus pages get simply shown sequentially - one div after the next. Even wikipedia becomes very readable on the small screen. HTH Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Web Browser?
What sort of browser will Openmoko have? From various postings on the lists I get them impression that there is a (somewhat) working browser, but the wiki page is very sketchy. Will/does it support the following? *) Javascript *) DOM *) Cookies In short, is it a real browser (like FF, Safari, Konqueror), or a half-baked thing like Blazer (the stock Treo 650 browser)? I have an idea for a browser-based ebook reader package that uses javascript to do autoscroll and page-drag (like Plucker)... -- -- Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://otisbean.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
Am So 6. April 2008 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth: > Why is it USB 1.1 on the neo, and not USB 2.0? > It is cheaper to buy a USB 2.0 cable, than a card reader. > > Alexander Frøyseth The 24xx CPU does not support USB2.0 speed, 64xx, which we probably will see on GTA03, will have USB2.0 cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why is it USB 1.1 on the neo, and not USB 2.0? The CPU on the Freerunner is not capable of 480Mb/s. I think 14Mb/s was max, but I didn't check it. > It is cheaper to buy a USB 2.0 cable, than a card reader. There is no such thing as an "USB 2.0 cable". It is called "USB cable". There is no difference between a cable used for USB 1.0, 1.1 or 2.0. And what has this to do with a card reader??? -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB 2.0 insted of USB 1.1
Why is it USB 1.1 on the neo, and not USB 2.0? It is cheaper to buy a USB 2.0 cable, than a card reader. Alexander Frøyseth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.7 is out - lots of improvements
Marcus Bauer ha scritto: > Hello community, > > tangoGPS, a fast and lightweight GPS and map application using > openstreetmap is out in version 0.7. Hi Markus. Waiting for the Moko, I tried to install TangoGPS, but I ran into trouble, see http://www.tangogps.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=10#p10 for details and suggestions. All the best, and many thanks. pc -- Paolo Cavallini, see: http://www.faunalia.it/pc Noi ci troviamo con parecchie difficoltà con NGI http://www.ngi.it/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Any updates on the PVT status?
Hello, Just wondering, is there any news regarding the status of the PVT runs? Will a new design be needed / is the current one good for mass production / minor tweaks needed / whatever? Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
