Re: Data over normal GSM call
Am Fr 11. April 2008 schrieb Stefan Misch: Hi, I just talked about this issue with a colleague who uses an HTC PDA with windows mobile. For the data connection he uses a dial-up connection as a modem. He doesn't have a data plan but a flat fee for voice calls into land lines. He says he gets about up to 4K/s which is not much of course but it's still possible to view light websites or emails with it. (I would not want to use it with Google Maps for example which is one of the key features why I would want mobile internet access.) So I don't think it's impossible. Maybe the hardware and the codecs are different on OpenMoko but I doubt that this is an obstacle that cannot be overcome. All best, Stefan That's simple CSD (see other posts of this thread). AFAIK it's supported by all carriers in Germany. I used it ~year2000 with a Nokia 6210 and a Palm5 on O2 without any problem. You can access internet via provider's accesspoint, or you can dial up a modem connected number at your home to run your own accesspoint/proxy. Anyways it's normal connection fee (as of y2k). cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next costumers location
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha scritto: What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do you live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the advantage to buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was accorded. Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)... So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the cost of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price. I agree, btw I think that it will be cheaper also if on a city we can't group 10 people, simply we'll order on the most requested city, and from there we'll ship to other buyers... Standard shipping in Italy should be just 8€ more: that's definitely lower than 30$ :P... ... Not for long! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...
Exactly my thoughts: This sounds way too complicated to actually be useful. I'd rather adjust my brightness manually. On 4/12/08, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/). Of course they aren't and never will be precise as an hardware sensor is, but it's the only thing we have: 1) Setting the brightness following the hour of the day: also if the phone can't know if it's sunny or cloudy, neither if you're indoor or outdoor, it's clear that just knowing the hour of the day, the date and your latitude (to be set once via GPS) the phone can easily know when the sun will rise and set, and so it will be possible increasing or reducing the LCD brightness. Also if you're indoor, I guess that when the sun is gone you won't need so much luminance... 2) Using personal profiles that follow your habits: you could define, for each hour of each week day the presumed luminance, using something like a calendar. I mean, if on working-days I generally stay indoor every day from 8:30 to 13:00 and from 15:00 to the 19:00 I figure that on these intervals I don't need all the LCD power, so I'll set in my calendar that on such interval I'll be indoor... I guess that many of you would follow a routine durning the week, why don't educate your phone for it!? 3) Setting the luminance following the weather. Of course I've no light sensors, neither a barometer :P, but if I've a working connection available I could use the weather data downloaded every few minutes (60, for example) from internet to change my screen brightness (of course merging these informations with points 1 and 2) What do you think about them? I do think that they are really simple to implement, and that also if they won't guarantee a perferct result, they could be a smart workaround. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ Or you could just... dim it after a few seconds and go blank after a minute like every other phone does. If we try to solve this by complex heuristics we're 1) going to get it wrong 2) going to end up wasting more battery in doing the computations than we save by them. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data over normal GSM call
That's not all, there are even more factors: Mic - A/D converter - Codec (depends on net and quality: up to 5 different codecs possible) - Radio - Air-Interface - Radio -Codec - Voice Quality Enhancer (VQE - who knows what this will do with your data, maybe just dropping it at all) - and the same way backwards, with different codecs. And most important: there is no TCP or similar - you just can't know what the other side will get. On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diego Fdez. Durán wrote: snip Can't you initiate a voice call between to FreeRunners and then use the mic and mixer devs to modulate the data as sound? Broadly yes. The problem is: A human making mobile - mobile call looks something like this. 1 microphone 2 analog-digital converter 3 GSM encoder 4 radio transmission 5 Add errors due to sunspots 6 radio reception 7 GSM decoder 8 ISDN-like 8KHz 8 bit sampling over mobile companies network 9 Public switched telephone network And then back again in reverse - with all the codec senses flipped. Any analog modem signal has to get through the GSM codec - twice - and survive bit errors. GSM is designed so that single bit errors make audibly similar output - but not similar numerically. The GSM codec is basically designed to throw away anything that is not voice-like. If you have a perfect radio channel, and can get at the digital data that would normally go to/from the codec (step 3) it won't help much for 'normal' modems - as you still have the GSM encode/decode cycle at the network side. In reality, what you have to do to push any sort of data through this link is to basically have a data-driven vocoder at one side, that gabbles - but makes sounds that could in principle be made by human throats, and a voice recogniser at the other end. This can get 1300bits/sec. CSD - 'data' GSM calls are different. Instead of using the normal GSM codec, they use a special codec that is designed for error-free data transmission. This can be broken out and transmitted over the normal phone network and end up in a device like an ISDN modem. Some ISPs 'normal' modems actually support this by default, so dialing just works. However, though this would be really nice to use - it's not free, and in many countries/telcos costs significant amounts to enable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Thanks Steve for the update. I have my money all saved up and ready! . . .Shawn - Original Message From: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:50:40 AM Subject: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I thought I would combine a couple posts today. First an update on PVT, or production verification test. Phones are being sent to me from the first PVT run. Michael Shiloh will be back in Silicon valley next Tuesday, so he and I will test the samples and get them out to key partners. I want to check a couple things like using the Nokia batteries as spares and generic USB chargers before I send these samples out. Now, for the update on Products, and Pricing, 1. Products. Orginally the FreeRunner ( GTA02) was planned to come out in two packages. Basic and advanced, just like the Neo 1973. We killed that idea. It was a quick humane death. The problem was the GTA02 advanced unit would have been $650 USD. After seeing the response to Neo 1973, a huge response, we decided the best path was to lower the price, reward our early developers, and attract more developers. 2. Pricing We scrubbed the BOM ( bill of materials). We eliminated the Luxurious bits. Optimized the box like it was code. The first thing we got rid of was the lunchbox. It was cool, but it was expensive and heavy. Eliminating that was a sizeable cost savings. ( think shipping weight). Next we pulled out the debug board and made it a separate product. We priced it at $99 US. about 1 tenth what people would pay for similar capability. My goal was to get to a place where we could sell the FreeRunner at $399. USD. We did that. The FreeRunner will ship from Openmoko.com at $399. For early customers I'm looking at throwing in a few free things. More details later. The debug board will be available as a separate product for $99 USD. Many people wrote me mails asking if they could get a discount by buying more than one phone. Sometimes they were universities, sometimes a small business, sometimes a small group or club. For these people we created a 10Pack. instead of 399 per phone, we will charge 369 per phone. Over the next few days I will explain the next steps we go through and how the product will get distributed Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ssh over bluetooth
Hi, from what I know everyone is talking about using the neo with the usb but noone has told anything regarding an ssh session (or something similar) over bluetooth. So is it possible to use the neo like that? Bluetooth usually provide a serial port emulation (rfcom) if it's like that we can provide something like a login shell over that tty (yes a login because the bluetooth protocol usually is not so secure). What about that? Don't know if it's just a feature or if it's possible to implement something like that. Cya Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...
I had a Compaq iPaq that did this via a little photodiode and it was implemented well, but there are some times when you want a brighter screen in the dark / darker screen in the daytime, so you're still digging through menus. On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly my thoughts: This sounds way too complicated to actually be useful. I'd rather adjust my brightness manually. On 4/12/08, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/). Of course they aren't and never will be precise as an hardware sensor is, but it's the only thing we have: 1) Setting the brightness following the hour of the day: also if the phone can't know if it's sunny or cloudy, neither if you're indoor or outdoor, it's clear that just knowing the hour of the day, the date and your latitude (to be set once via GPS) the phone can easily know when the sun will rise and set, and so it will be possible increasing or reducing the LCD brightness. Also if you're indoor, I guess that when the sun is gone you won't need so much luminance... 2) Using personal profiles that follow your habits: you could define, for each hour of each week day the presumed luminance, using something like a calendar. I mean, if on working-days I generally stay indoor every day from 8:30 to 13:00 and from 15:00 to the 19:00 I figure that on these intervals I don't need all the LCD power, so I'll set in my calendar that on such interval I'll be indoor... I guess that many of you would follow a routine durning the week, why don't educate your phone for it!? 3) Setting the luminance following the weather. Of course I've no light sensors, neither a barometer :P, but if I've a working connection available I could use the weather data downloaded every few minutes (60, for example) from internet to change my screen brightness (of course merging these informations with points 1 and 2) What do you think about them? I do think that they are really simple to implement, and that also if they won't guarantee a perferct result, they could be a smart workaround. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ Or you could just... dim it after a few seconds and go blank after a minute like every other phone does. If we try to solve this by complex heuristics we're 1) going to get it wrong 2) going to end up wasting more battery in doing the computations than we save by them. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Thats great news! Just a quick question: will it be possible to buy the lunchbox as an own product? On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Steve for the update. I have my money all saved up and ready! . . .Shawn - Original Message From: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:50:40 AM Subject: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I thought I would combine a couple posts today. First an update on PVT, or production verification test. Phones are being sent to me from the first PVT run. Michael Shiloh will be back in Silicon valley next Tuesday, so he and I will test the samples and get them out to key partners. I want to check a couple things like using the Nokia batteries as spares and generic USB chargers before I send these samples out. Now, for the update on Products, and Pricing, 1. Products. Orginally the FreeRunner ( GTA02) was planned to come out in two packages. Basic and advanced, just like the Neo 1973. We killed that idea. It was a quick humane death. The problem was the GTA02 advanced unit would have been $650 USD. After seeing the response to Neo 1973, a huge response, we decided the best path was to lower the price, reward our early developers, and attract more developers. 2. Pricing We scrubbed the BOM ( bill of materials). We eliminated the Luxurious bits. Optimized the box like it was code. The first thing we got rid of was the lunchbox. It was cool, but it was expensive and heavy. Eliminating that was a sizeable cost savings. ( think shipping weight). Next we pulled out the debug board and made it a separate product. We priced it at $99 US. about 1 tenth what people would pay for similar capability. My goal was to get to a place where we could sell the FreeRunner at $399. USD. We did that. The FreeRunner will ship from Openmoko.com at $399. For early customers I'm looking at throwing in a few free things. More details later. The debug board will be available as a separate product for $99 USD. Many people wrote me mails asking if they could get a discount by buying more than one phone. Sometimes they were universities, sometimes a small business, sometimes a small group or club. For these people we created a 10Pack. instead of 399 per phone, we will charge 369 per phone. Over the next few days I will explain the next steps we go through and how the product will get distributed Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ssh over bluetooth
There is nothing special with ssh over Bluetooth. In fact it is ssh over TCP over IP over PPP (or similar) over Bluetooth RFCOMM. Please refer for configuration details to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Support#Networking As soon as you have IP over Bluetooth, you can use ssh. Am 12.04.2008 um 14:25 schrieb Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano: Hi, from what I know everyone is talking about using the neo with the usb but noone has told anything regarding an ssh session (or something similar) over bluetooth. So is it possible to use the neo like that? Bluetooth usually provide a serial port emulation (rfcom) if it's like that we can provide something like a login shell over that tty (yes a login because the bluetooth protocol usually is not so secure). What about that? Don't know if it's just a feature or if it's possible to implement something like that. Cya Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: accelerometer thought
Le 13980ième jour après Epoch, Joe Pfeiffer écrivait: Tim Shannon writes: Sounds like a good idea, except for people who carry their phone in a bag, but definitely useful as an option nonetheless. Sure -- I was careful to say *my* use! Yes, and my usage too... :) Good idea ! But what about a not moving for a while switch? In my pocket, my bag, or other moving places, it will ring, and if it is staying on a desktop, or near my bed, it will use vibrator... But what happens if I try to locate it on my house, expecting it will ring :p (This situation is frequent, for me :) ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Quikwriting
Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html There have been positive comments towards it on the list before. Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :) Ortwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: accelerometer thought
Yes, and my usage too... :) Good idea ! But what about a not moving for a while switch? In my pocket, my bag, or other moving places, it will ring, and if it is staying on a desktop, or near my bed, it will use vibrator... But what happens if I try to locate it on my house, expecting it will ring :p (This situation is frequent, for me :) ) What would be nice would be to have a system that would vibrate or ring based on the caller's option. This could work if there was a menuing system on the phone for incoming calls. If the phone is muted, with a code you could override the silent ring and make it actually ring. It could also work for the situation where I would like to call someone late at night but I'm not sure if they're up. Assuming they have an openmoko phone and its past a certain hour, I'd get a menu that would ask whether I want an audible ring or not. Of course they could override that and mute it completely, but for me this would be good. I often forget to un-mute my phone and end up missing calls. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...
In particular, the wifi/gprs connection is going to suck a lot more power than the dimming, and weather sites are never accurate to the minute anyway (which *is* what you really need for this to be any better than just having a readily accessible brightness slider). On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly my thoughts: This sounds way too complicated to actually be useful. I'd rather adjust my brightness manually. On 4/12/08, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/). Of course they aren't and never will be precise as an hardware sensor is, but it's the only thing we have: 1) Setting the brightness following the hour of the day: also if the phone can't know if it's sunny or cloudy, neither if you're indoor or outdoor, it's clear that just knowing the hour of the day, the date and your latitude (to be set once via GPS) the phone can easily know when the sun will rise and set, and so it will be possible increasing or reducing the LCD brightness. Also if you're indoor, I guess that when the sun is gone you won't need so much luminance... 2) Using personal profiles that follow your habits: you could define, for each hour of each week day the presumed luminance, using something like a calendar. I mean, if on working-days I generally stay indoor every day from 8:30 to 13:00 and from 15:00 to the 19:00 I figure that on these intervals I don't need all the LCD power, so I'll set in my calendar that on such interval I'll be indoor... I guess that many of you would follow a routine durning the week, why don't educate your phone for it!? 3) Setting the luminance following the weather. Of course I've no light sensors, neither a barometer :P, but if I've a working connection available I could use the weather data downloaded every few minutes (60, for example) from internet to change my screen brightness (of course merging these informations with points 1 and 2) What do you think about them? I do think that they are really simple to implement, and that also if they won't guarantee a perferct result, they could be a smart workaround. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ Or you could just... dim it after a few seconds and go blank after a minute like every other phone does. If we try to solve this by complex heuristics we're 1) going to get it wrong 2) going to end up wasting more battery in doing the computations than we save by them. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Listening to music/podcasts
Am Fr 11. April 2008 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen: On 4/11/08, Jens Fursund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Freerunners! I was wondering if anyone know if it is possible to answer a call from a headset while listening to music/podcasts. As in the music/podcast stops and the call takes over by a click on the answer/hangup button on the headset. Furthermore it would be great if we could implement a feature where either espeak would read the name aloud when the call comes in, or you would be able to provide your own sound to the call (as to know who it is, without taking the phone out of your pocket, of course). This is a great idea. I think the the headset only have one button for muting the mic. But not sure. The headset button does mute the mic. It's main function however is to trigger a hardware interrupt to the CPU, which can be used to start the actions you need to take a pending call. This IRQ function is not depending on on the mute, but mute is just a side effect of the way the button inside the headset works. cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...
Am Sa 12. April 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/). Actually it's not very hard to have a light sensor in GTA02. There's everything you need on a decent testpoint. Just add a photodiode and a capacitor. PMU chip does the rest. :-) See 50633 datasheet. cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quikwriting
Just tried it, and it's very easy to pick up, and it shouldn't be hard to implement. I suggest trying the quickwriting 2.1 demo. Ivo On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.htmlhttp://mrl.nyu.edu/%7Eperlin/demos/quikwriting.html There have been positive comments towards it on the list before. Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :) Ortwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quikwriting
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html There have been positive comments towards it on the list before. Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :) Ortwin Sounds interesting. The only problem is user education.. but if it works this could be a really good input method for finger input! -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wish list for future Freerunner
Next significant iteration of Freerunner should include light sensor. My understanding is that's one part of iPhone secret sauce for intelligently dimming LCD while phone is held up to user's ear. related comment yes there are far more important features/changes. but this tiny (low COGS, high impact) item should not be forgotten. -- Ron K. Jeffries http://blog.eronj.com http://twitter.com/RonKJeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ssh over bluetooth
Hey Pietro Am Samstag, den 12.04.2008, 14:25 +0200 schrieb Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano: [..] ssh session (or something similar) over bluetooth. So is it possible to use the neo like that? Yes, that's doable. You can use Personal Area Networking (PAN) with the pand app in bluez. If you like you can use the latest SettingsGUI Version to scan for Bluetooth Peers and start a PAN connection to one of them. I've written an article about the latest SettingsGUI release, and got SSH and even IP Forwarding working to my Neo. See: http://www.mput.de/blog/?p=20 Greetings from Berlin Kristian -- /* Web: http://www.mput.de | Tel:+49 (0)170/6692447 * * Blog:http://mput.de/blog | ICQ:93248497* * GPG-ID: 4BBB6525 (..2009) | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * Twitter: kristian_m | MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] */ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quikwriting
I agree, add it :D That was genius. ramsesoriginal skrev: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html There have been positive comments towards it on the list before. Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :) Ortwin Sounds interesting. The only problem is user education.. but if it works this could be a really good input method for finger input! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linux-openmoko build error
I meant 4194. It is already fixed now. On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/10/08, M Nader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_4194.tar.gz It seems that 4914 (from same-srcrev.inc) doesn't exist. If so what stable revision should I use? did you mean 4194 or 4914? -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wish list for future Freerunner
On Saturday 12 April 2008 18:46:16 Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Next significant iteration of Freerunner should include light sensor. Actually I have yet to see a device where a light sensor does not get in the way and eventually annoying a lot. This seems very hard to get right (both on the older iPAQs and the N8xx it's barely usable). My understanding is that's one part of iPhone secret sauce for intelligently dimming LCD while phone is held up to user's ear. IIRC they're using a proximity sensor rather than a light sensor. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quikwriting
Nice Idea. I havent seen this anywhere. This would look really nice implemented in OpenMoko Ortwin Regel wrote: Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html There have been positive comments towards it on the list before. Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :) Ortwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
warranty
Hi Steve, If a group joins together to purchase the 10-pack, how will the warranty work? I presume that each unit is individually warranted. I'm sure that warranty service will require a purchase receipt or some other proof of purchase. What receipt would we use? If we have to register, we would need to specify where we purchased the phone. What should we say? Thanks. Ajit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: warranty
Ajit Natarajan wrote: Hi Steve, If a group joins together to purchase the 10-pack, how will the warranty work? I presume that each unit is individually warranted. I'm sure that warranty service will require a purchase receipt or some other proof of purchase. What receipt would we use? If we have to register, we would need to specify where we purchased the phone. What should we say? And perhaps now would be a point to mention what the warranty on the devices will be normally, it's not a point that's come up as far as I'm aware. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
LCD protector
Hello, A friend of mine who owns an iPhone purchased an LCD protector. It is a sheet of clear material cut to the dimensions of the LCD screen. When affixed to the screen, it doesn't affect touch screen operation. However, it resists scratching and fingerprints can simply be wiped off. Is this something that will be needed on the Freerunner? Or does the Freerunner come with a scratch resistant screen/coating? If a protector is needed, will there be an option to purchase it? My friend told me that one needs to be careful when affixing the protector, or ``bubbles'' will result. It would be great if instructions could be included with the protector on the best technique to affix it. Thanks. Ajit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Hi Steve Thank you for the update. I think you (you all from openmoko) worked very well, and I am happy to know these update. According me was a good idea to remove some accessories to cut off the price: a lot of person, can not to have too much money to buy for something that still they don't know, so I think it is good to interest more persons / developer. Who need, can alway to buy the accessory he need. I am happy to tell to you that this evening I decided to buy a Freerunner, and I hope in a future to be able to produce something for the Openmoko comunity. Best regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ajit Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A friend of mine who owns an iPhone purchased an LCD protector. It is a sheet of clear material cut to the dimensions of the LCD screen. When affixed to the screen, it doesn't affect touch screen operation. However, it resists scratching and fingerprints can simply be wiped off. Is this something that will be needed on the Freerunner? Or does the Freerunner come with a scratch resistant screen/coating? If a protector is needed, will there be an option to purchase it? My friend told me that one needs to be careful when affixing the protector, or ``bubbles'' will result. It would be great if instructions could be included with the protector on the best technique to affix it. I sliced off the edges of some of my old Palm protectors and stuck it to my Neo. It gets bubbles at first but after some use they just disappear. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
My Neo1973 had a protector sheet on it when it arrived back in July. It had a small tab in one corner to pull it off with which I cut back a bit. It is pulled away very slightly at one edge, and has tiny imperfections so I am sure it is still there. It is invisible in use. At one time you had to buy them to fit the particular device, but I saw a general purpose one you cut to size yourself in Dick Smiths last week. clare On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, Nick Guenther wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ajit Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A friend of mine who owns an iPhone purchased an LCD protector. It is a sheet of clear material cut to the dimensions of the LCD screen. When affixed to the screen, it doesn't affect touch screen operation. However, it resists scratching and fingerprints can simply be wiped off. Is this something that will be needed on the Freerunner? Or does the Freerunner come with a scratch resistant screen/coating? If a protector is needed, will there be an option to purchase it? My friend told me that one needs to be careful when affixing the protector, or ``bubbles'' will result. It would be great if instructions could be included with the protector on the best technique to affix it. I sliced off the edges of some of my old Palm protectors and stuck it to my Neo. It gets bubbles at first but after some use they just disappear. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
More thanks Steve! I'm glad you guys slimmed down the original packaging, as anything above ~400 becomes very prohibitive (as a work in progress platform) for many people. Keep up the great work and thanks for the frequent updates! -Kyle * proud GTA01 hacker, GTA02 stalker ;-) * On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve Thank you for the update. I think you (you all from openmoko) worked very well, and I am happy to know these update. According me was a good idea to remove some accessories to cut off the price: a lot of person, can not to have too much money to buy for something that still they don't know, so I think it is good to interest more persons / developer. Who need, can alway to buy the accessory he need. I am happy to tell to you that this evening I decided to buy a Freerunner, and I hope in a future to be able to produce something for the Openmoko comunity. Best regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quikwriting
ramsesoriginal ha scritto: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html There have been positive comments towards it on the list before. Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :) Ortwin Sounds interesting. The only problem is user education.. but if it works this could be a really good input method for finger input! Mhmhmh I've tried the two demos (with mouse, of course), but I've some problems in writing on it... Expecially some lateral chars aren't writtable to me... To write a c, for example, I've to make many tries, and I guess they should be really more using a finger. I've read no docs, where am I wrong in? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
Ajit Natarajan wrote: A friend of mine who owns an iPhone purchased an LCD protector. It is a sheet of clear material cut to the dimensions of the LCD screen. When affixed to the screen, it doesn't affect touch screen operation. However, it resists scratching and fingerprints can simply be wiped off. I also planned to buy some screen protectors for the freerunner... Reading comments on the net I've heard that the best ones are the Brando (they've a site shipping worldwide, but I can't find it now) anyway I don't really know if it's an hoax or not... BTW since the Openmoko phones aren't commercial phones, to find the screen protector with the right size (or something bigger), I'd need to know which other phone/PDA has the same screen size of the Freerunner. Do you have advices for this? Thanks! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next costumers location
Federico Lorenzi wrote: I agree, btw I think that it will be cheaper also if on a city we can't group 10 people, simply we'll order on the most requested city, and from there we'll ship to other buyers... Standard shipping in Italy should be just 8€ more: that's definitely lower than 30$ :P... ... Not for long! Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from Usa or Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think that you gain really more than 30$-8€ ;) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quikwriting
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: ramsesoriginal ha scritto: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html There have been positive comments towards it on the list before. Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :) Ortwin Sounds interesting. The only problem is user education.. but if it works this could be a really good input method for finger input! Mhmhmh I've tried the two demos (with mouse, of course), but I've some problems in writing on it... Expecially some lateral chars aren't writtable to me... To write a c, for example, I've to make many tries, and I guess they should be really more using a finger. I've read no docs, where am I wrong in? I've given a short look to the docs and now it's clear how to write in... :P So, now I can agree with ramsesoriginal and the others who appreciate this systems: it can easily be used for quick finger writing! Btw, imho we should try to find another letter ordering :P. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quikwriting
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) writes: Mhmhmh I've tried the two demos (with mouse, of course), but I've some problems in writing on it... Expecially some lateral chars aren't writtable to me... To write a c, for example, I've to make many tries, and I guess they should be really more using a finger. I've read no docs, where am I wrong in? No idea -- it's worked great for me ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
