Re: NZ Group order
Hi, On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 4:18 AM, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got approval from my er, financial controller :) Wife? Yeah, me too... although I am on another group buy list ;-) Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ireland - group order
As no one has started a group for Ireland yet, I'd be willing to organise it. I'm away for the weekend so unless someone else has the initiative, i'll get started on Monday. If any one else in Ireland is interested, please contact me @ recursv at gmail Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)
Thats my project, btw. My biggest question is how decent the hardware scaling is. Could it scale 160x128 to fullscreen? Cheers, Federico On 4/25/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:38:24 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i can say now - 320x240 mpeg4 video with mplayer using xvideo on the gta02 even can't play at 30fps. i was wrong with my guess. it is dropping 25% of the frames. so as such actually i correct this. i was too optimistic. you can more likely manage 20fps @ 320x240. this is mpeg4 - so mpeg1 and 2 may be better as they are simpler codecs. do remember when i say resolution - i mean the video itself. the hardware can SCALE it to fill the screen, but this is taking 320x240 video and scaling it up (adding blur) so of course the quality isn't that good. remember too that color information is half that resolution in each dimension again (160x120 - though depends on codec). Well, I was thinking to youtube videos streaming... Since it will be impossible to see them in embedded browser (without local javascript hacks), I guess that we could use an application (if I'm not wrong someone is developing it on projects.openmoko.org) that fetches and plays (on streaming too) the videos in other formats supported by youtube (you can test them using youtube-dl -f value url [1]) The formats (fmt) that should work with no problems are: * 13: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3gpp file so H.263 video and AMR Narrowband audio * 15: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mp4 file with MPEG4 video and AAC audio these will work - or should. just a matter of enough software in userspace. Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood what has been stated) is * 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file no - not going to work. 21fps at best. :( Maybe too low, but... I think that actually it's the best way quality we can get without rencoding it locally or simply without using a 3rd party server doing this work for us on the fly. [1] http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ireland - group order
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As no one has started a group for Ireland yet, I'd be willing to organise it. I'm away for the weekend so unless someone else has the initiative, i'll get started on Monday. If any one else in Ireland is interested, please contact me @ recursv at gmail Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld I'm thinking about getting one, located in Clonskeagh in Dublin. I was vaguely tempted to join the UK group but figured the logistics would be a pain in the arse. Anyone know what price we'll get in .ie after Customs and VAT? -Gordon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:20:32 + Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Thats my project, btw. My biggest question is how decent the hardware scaling is. Could it scale 160x128 to fullscreen? yes. just like you see on a desktop. it's done in hardware. it can scale up to fullscreen. Cheers, Federico On 4/25/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:38:24 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i can say now - 320x240 mpeg4 video with mplayer using xvideo on the gta02 even can't play at 30fps. i was wrong with my guess. it is dropping 25% of the frames. so as such actually i correct this. i was too optimistic. you can more likely manage 20fps @ 320x240. this is mpeg4 - so mpeg1 and 2 may be better as they are simpler codecs. do remember when i say resolution - i mean the video itself. the hardware can SCALE it to fill the screen, but this is taking 320x240 video and scaling it up (adding blur) so of course the quality isn't that good. remember too that color information is half that resolution in each dimension again (160x120 - though depends on codec). Well, I was thinking to youtube videos streaming... Since it will be impossible to see them in embedded browser (without local javascript hacks), I guess that we could use an application (if I'm not wrong someone is developing it on projects.openmoko.org) that fetches and plays (on streaming too) the videos in other formats supported by youtube (you can test them using youtube-dl -f value url [1]) The formats (fmt) that should work with no problems are: * 13: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3gpp file so H.263 video and AMR Narrowband audio * 15: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mp4 file with MPEG4 video and AAC audio these will work - or should. just a matter of enough software in userspace. Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood what has been stated) is * 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file no - not going to work. 21fps at best. :( Maybe too low, but... I think that actually it's the best way quality we can get without rencoding it locally or simply without using a 3rd party server doing this work for us on the fly. [1] http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:26:02 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: what freerunner *IS* good at is nice high resolution still images. it is NOT good at motion (animation). that's possibly the simplest way i know to describe its graphics :) great for ebook and text reading. great for your high-res photos. don't expect a media-center out of it with swooshy bits and fanciness and video at wonderful quality and resolutions and framerates. And... How do you consider mapping softwares, for example? I know they don't require so much video output, but the CPU has to decode the maps! I really hope this has nothing to do with this issue (or that is poorly affected) since, it will be another important issue (and quite more blocker imho). mapping is doable. you can sanely render maps in software with the cpu and just upload pixels as they don't change a lot. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NZ Group order
2008/4/25 Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 4:18 AM, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got approval from my er, financial controller :) Wife? Yeah, me too... although I am on another group buy list ;-) Christ van Willegen do any of you know about the situation on frequencies in nz? i hear telecom and vodafone use different bands, 850 and 900 respectively. is this correct? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vienna - group order
I wish if you could give more informations about order that you plan there. I'm from Bosnia, maybe i can join !? On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Daniel Selinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willing to build a group for ordering here in vienna, austria - maybe austria in general. pls contact me directly to my gmx account. daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- www.vedran.ba 2/204 - 2/224 - 2/255 - 2/281 - 14/24 - 17/53 - 36/4 ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: I'm sorry , that's my fault (was:GTA03 wish list (was: What US plans are people using?))
--- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Either this is NOT a real goal of Openmoko or the developers suck at it. There are SEVERAL applications on Openmoko that require a stylus (many of the games, for instance). As far as I know, the criteria Openmoko apps must be usable with fingers has never been set. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016014.html Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but the person who said that isn't a developer, let alone someone with the authority to ensure the developers comply with that directive on Openmoko released applications. I'm sorry , not I'm not a developer and don't even wanted ro restart a flame, I will think twice before I reply and I will tag my opinions clearly as they are Only Happy Enthusiastic Freerunner User Wannabe Opinions (OHEFUWO) In this case I have arrived when the fingers fans were more active in the list and I only have a partially view of this issue, but now I realize that I was wrong and OM is a (evolutioning) mixture of finger/stylus distribution. So even this post http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016224.html Have some flame material caused by my own missinformation, so please ignore them or not take them too seriously. Thanks you all of your patience with these bigmouth --- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: We had a many debates about this: finger fans on one side, stylus guys on the other side. In the end the spirit of openness prevailed. Since its open source we cannot require or determine or impose any kind of thou shalt not use thy finger or thou shalt use the stylus Generally speaking I think a good portion of us in OM, would like to see a finger thing, falling back to stylus when the finger simply cannot do the job. So internally a flexible pragmatic philosophy, externally, folks can do whatever floats their boat. as it should be. So, the Box contains a stylus. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Dean Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:00 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: GTA03 wish list (was: What US plans are people using?) On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the objectives of openmoko is to no need to use the stylus at all ... When devels talk about mokofy (port to openmoko) some aplication one of the chalenges is to use it with out stylus. Either this is NOT a real goal of Openmoko or the developers suck at it. There are SEVERAL applications on Openmoko that require a stylus (many of the games, for instance). As far as I know, the criteria Openmoko apps must be usable with fingers has never been set. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016014.html Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but the person who said that isn't a developer, let alone someone with the authority to ensure the developers comply with that directive on Openmoko released applications. I was VERY pleased the other day to read this, as I find it fiddly to mess around with a stylus. I hate the stylus with a PASSION too. In my opinion, this is NOT a GTA03 issue but a GTA02 issue. There's debate ove the box contents of the Freerunner. If the box does NOT include a stylus, I think the software applications MUST be written in a way that is functional without it. I'm of the opinion that everything needed to use the device must be included in the box. You don't NEED an SD card to use the Freerunner but you DO need a battery. If the software that will be Openmoko REQUIRES a stylus, I think it's really a crappy thing to do for Openmoko NOT to ship one with the box. Making this decision is, in my opinion, important NOW. Despite previous phones I've owned having stylus holders, I have always lost them. I guess a stylus holder simply doesn't actually _hold_ so well. The idea of a device that does everything is to eliminate the need to carry around an address book, an ipod, a GPS navigation device, a calculator and so on. Without a way to tuck the stylus away it's adding to the number of items a person has to carry around (and track). I personally carry my Neo, my wallet and my car keys (which actually CAN work as a stylus, as long as I'm not driving). I don't carry a pen and I don't carry a stylus. A dependancy on the stylus on the applications would INCREASE the number of things I have to carry around (which to me, decreases the value of a Neo). Apart from this, it always seems to me much more natural to use my fingers, but of course on previous phones the on-screen buttons are too small. I would love a link, if anyone has one, to official developer documentation stating the no-stylus requirement. As far as I know, there isn't one. In fact, I think the guildelines for application development are either non-existant,
Re: Switzerland - group order
Am Donnerstag, den 24.04.2008, 22:57 +0200 schrieb Alexandre Ghisoli: Please pass the word to let all the users register on the [2] :) I am on both lists ;) Right now I'm not sure about the current status, prices, delays and payement arrangements. Would be nice to get more info from the one who will pass the order ;) Good point. Who will place the order? Greetz, Andre -- Andre Timmermann aka darktim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
On 4/24/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. THANK YOU!! This news made me extremly happy -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/24/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. THANK YOU!! This news made me extremly happy -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vienna - group order
Willing to build a group for ordering here in vienna, austria - maybe austria in general. pls contact me directly to my gmx account. We've already got a 'group buy' page here at Metalab, Vienna .. maybe you want to participate in that? http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko And there is a plan to get our OpenMoko user group days fixed and happening on a regular basis too .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vienna - group order
Friday 25 April 2008 skrev Jay Vaughan: Willing to build a group for ordering here in vienna, austria - maybe austria in general. pls contact me directly to my gmx account. We've already got a 'group buy' page here at Metalab, Vienna .. maybe you want to participate in that? http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko And there is a plan to get our OpenMoko user group days fixed and happening on a regular basis too .. Why is this not linked from the Group Sales page on the openmoko wiki? :) Spread the word a bit? :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vienna - group order
Why is this not linked from the Group Sales page on the openmoko wiki? :) Coz nobody has done it yet! :) Fixed! For those Austrians who are interested, details here: http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko Details updated here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order and here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Washington State group order
Hello all, I am starting a group for the Washington State area. I'm willing to organize it. If you're interested, you can contact me at jon.pomeroy at gmail. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Washington -Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
On 4/25/08, Mohamed Hazem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? Convince your friends to buy a Freerunner:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vienna - group order
Why is this not linked from the Group Sales page on the openmoko wiki? :) Coz nobody has done it yet! :) Spread the word a bit? :) Good idea. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. What about the resellers ? Can we have a stock of items when we order in bulk too ? Regards, -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgp7gwVtolkpD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Baltimore/DC Group
How have I not yet seen a call for group orders from the WMA to Baltimore, but there is one for Utah... No offense Utah... Any interest? r/ Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
Hi, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Calling_Features has had all of these thoughts for some time. I know. :) But it helps writing them up here in the mailing list from time to time, so people don't forget them. :) -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switzerland - group order
Am Freitag, den 25.04.2008, 10:46 +0200 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl: If payments can be settled in advance (I don't want to get stuck with 4000USD worth of Neos :P), I would volunteer to order an initial 10pack. Great, payment in advance is no problem. Greetz, Andre PS: Du warst noch nicht in unserem neuen Büro, oder? Besuch uns mal wieder! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Baltimore/DC Group
Joshua Broussard wrote: How have I not yet seen a call for group orders from the WMA to Baltimore, but there is one for Utah... No offense Utah... Any interest? r/ Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hey, I'm in the DMV. Count me in! Rivera ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: NZ Group order
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson Sent: Friday, 25 April 2008 7:31 p.m. To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: NZ Group order 2008/4/25 Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 4:18 AM, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got approval from my er, financial controller :) Wife? Partner, rather than wife, but this fits into the capital expenditure range, so she gets a say on it. Yeah, me too... although I am on another group buy list ;-) Christ van Willegen do any of you know about the situation on frequencies in nz? i hear telecom and vodafone use different bands, 850 and 900 respectively. is this correct? This is something I've been wondering about as well. It would be particularly nice if I could choose a different provider by switching simcards. I realise this isn't removetly possible with the current cdma phones that telecom has, but the 'next generation cell network' thing sounds like it might be compatable? __ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Utah Group buy?
No Utah people responding. Owell. If you guys can stand someone from next door, I'll join with you. :) Obviously, I'll pay shipping from Denver. :) Peter Abplanalp kindly offered to handle the shipping. Will one of you do Paypal so I can use plastic to send the money to you when it's time? Travis On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have 8 phones lined up for the Colorado group! (assuming everyone that emailed me still wants one). - Original Message From: Michael Heinrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:24:41 PM Subject: Re: Utah Group buy? Not sure about Washington too. Maybe a coop? On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Travis Tabbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there enough of us in Utah to bother? Maybe I can join the Denver group if not. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Baltimore/DC Group
I started one for Maryland, I live out past Frederick, so I am in the DC area. Joshua Broussard wrote: How have I not yet seen a call for group orders from the WMA to Baltimore, but there is one for Utah... No offense Utah... Any interest? r/ Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Kentucky / Indiana Group Order
Anyone from around here interested in getting a group order together? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS
Yes, I understand that, that is why I'm thinking of this approach. My idea was to use analog voice transforms and their inverse with properties that would preserve most of the codec performance. But it would be awfully difficult to sync up the inverse on the other end without a data connection, I expect that with voice calls that delay can be added and removed without warning. But in terms of complexity and chance of success, it does seem like the encrypted SMS is both practical and feasible, compared to any sort of voice encryption. Maybe a composite solution? Secure voip session initiated by encrypted SMS? Is there a benfit to using smartcard SAMs for encrypted peer2peer communications with OpenMoko? SD card with SAM: http://www.sdid.com/products1010.shtml Or the GPG fellowship card: http://gnupg.org/howtos/card-howto/en/smartcard-howto-single.html Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Stirling Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Newbee wants to kick start - encrypted calls Crane, Matthew wrote: Not sure if there's a specific project, I'm hoping to do some sort of analog encryption, with audio effects and inverse effects, such that it does not need to be digitally decoded, where the excellent pattern recognition engine in the brain does most of the work. You can't do much. It has to 'sound' voice-like to the multiple codecs in the signal chain of a GSM call, or the codec just discards the sound. Listen to a voice over a good GSM line. It's quite well reproduced. Now, listen to an assortment of music. Some will come out quite well, and be reproduced much like they came out. Some are utterly shredded. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS
Crane, Matthew wrote: Yes, I understand that, that is why I'm thinking of this approach. My idea was to use analog voice transforms and their inverse with properties that would preserve most of the codec performance. But it would be awfully difficult to sync up the inverse on the other end without a data connection, I expect that with voice calls that delay can be added and removed without warning. There are no simple voice transforms at all that will get through the codec, and actually encrypt. Voice changing is possible, but encryption is not. You _cannot_ - for example - exepect frequency inversion - to get through the codec chain. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS
There are no simple voice transforms at all that will get through the codec, and actually encrypt. Voice changing is possible, but encryption is not. You _cannot_ - for example - exepect frequency inversion - to get through the codec chain. What about correlating (multiplying) the input signal with a different signal (encoding) and in the other end extract your signal (decoding) by removing the added signal? -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Baltimore/DC Group
Maybe you could put you name on the Wiki ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Mid-Atlantic it would be easier to see and maybe group some area together For mid Atlantic, there is a Virginia, Maryland, NY groups On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started one for Maryland, I live out past Frederick, so I am in the DC area. Joshua Broussard wrote: How have I not yet seen a call for group orders from the WMA to Baltimore, but there is one for Utah... No offense Utah... Any interest? r/ Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: There are no simple voice transforms at all that will get through the codec, and actually encrypt. Voice changing is possible, but encryption is not. You _cannot_ - for example - exepect frequency inversion - to get through the codec chain. What about correlating (multiplying) the input signal with a different signal (encoding) and in the other end extract your signal (decoding) by removing the added signal? If it does not sound like voice when it leaves the phone, it will be massively and unpredictably distorted by the codecs. In a call between two GSM phones, there are at least two encode/decode with occasionally different codecs between the microphone on one side, and the speaker on the other. You cannot (usually) pick the codec. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS
It does not take full encryption to ensure privacy. Privacy being that without the inverse transform: - words are not resolvable - voices cannot be matched to the callers - any aproxmized inverse performed by a third party would result in something that is not usable in a legal context. Really, voice calls have to be pretty clear as is for transcripts to be admitted in court. There is large leeway given to legal entities producing transcripts, with interpretation of mumbles and the selection of what parts of the conversations that are transcribed (e.g. marking conversations as unintelligble that are favourable to the person being investigated). But I expect you're right, it's too difficult and not practical. Not compared with the alternatives. I like secure VOIP initiated from encrypted SMS. A wireless connection is always available in a big city. Once the IP addresses have been transmitted securely the conversation is anonymous and no record will exist, even of the duration of the conversation. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Stirling Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:24 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS Crane, Matthew wrote: Yes, I understand that, that is why I'm thinking of this approach. My idea was to use analog voice transforms and their inverse with properties that would preserve most of the codec performance. But it would be awfully difficult to sync up the inverse on the other end without a data connection, I expect that with voice calls that delay can be added and removed without warning. There are no simple voice transforms at all that will get through the codec, and actually encrypt. Voice changing is possible, but encryption is not. You _cannot_ - for example - exepect frequency inversion - to get through the codec chain. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kentucky / Indiana Group Order
On Fri April 25 2008 9:16:09 am Geoff Ruscoe wrote: Anyone from around here interested in getting a group order together? I just created a group for Indiana, feel free to change it to Indiana/Kentucky, Midwest, or whatever seems fit. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Indiana -- Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://onedollarlinux.com BLOG - http://onedollarlinux.com/personal/ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Mohamed, Where are you located? Perhaps we can combine you with something. Michael Mohamed Hazem wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/24/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. THANK YOU!! This news made me extremly happy -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Not soo easy. One thinks it look like a buttplug The design ruin for many Flemming Richter Mikkelsen skrev: On 4/25/08, Mohamed Hazem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? Convince your friends to buy a Freerunner:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
On 4/25/08, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not soo easy. One thinks it look like a buttplug I do not agree. Many of my friends likes the design - believe it or not. And it is much better than many other phones out there - some even has this ugly keypads -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner
Number 83 is my favourite: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080425 ;) On 21/04/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ If someone with more skills than me at web page design would like to turn this into a nice web page with thumbnails etc. I would welcome the assistance. I have to get back to upgrading GTA01 firmware, testing GTA02 samples, and shipping all of these items. You don't need my permission - download these photographs, they are direct copies of my originals, and create what you want. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switzerland - group order
Advance payment is no problem for me either ;-) P.Aeberli ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner
Somehow appropriate that an archaeologist ended up with this one :-) Michael Joseph Reeves wrote: Number 83 is my favourite: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080425 ;) On 21/04/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ If someone with more skills than me at web page design would like to turn this into a nice web page with thumbnails etc. I would welcome the assistance. I have to get back to upgrading GTA01 firmware, testing GTA02 samples, and shipping all of these items. You don't need my permission - download these photographs, they are direct copies of my originals, and create what you want. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Hi everyone, I was just about to ask that, eventough Openmoko is perhaps the topic I talk to my firends the most, and some of them have said they want to get one, I'm in Mexico and It will be very hard to get a tenpack here. Tthe minimum salary here is arround the 600 dollars per month and getting a 400 device might be too much for most of my friends. Well, it'll be a big luxury to me too but I can stop eating for a week or two to get one of those babys. Tomorrow we'll have Flisol here in Latin America, wich is Festival Latinoamericano de Instalación de Software Libre and means Latinamerican Opensource Installation Fest (or something like that) and I will be talking about open hardware and software develompent for mobile devices, taking Openmko as the main subject, and perhaps some of the people there would like to get one, but I'm not sure if I can convince them to get one with just one conference, and it looks like the freerunner will be released very soon. I want to get a Freerunner no matter what, but I would love to get the pouch and the earphone even If I have to pay a little bit more. I might even join any US group in California, Texas or any other southern state and ask the one who gets the bulk to send my Freerunner to me. Have a nice wwekend and wish me luck for tomorrow. (waiting for the BIG day...) Kosa On 25/04/2008, at 09:08 a.m., Michael Shiloh wrote: Mohamed, Where are you located? Perhaps we can combine you with something. Michael Mohamed Hazem wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/24/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. THANK YOU!! This news made me extremly happy -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Nine out of ten typical consumers I show it to think it's ugly and wouldn't buy it because of looks alone. If I show it to a techie type, I get the what are the specs? question. Lesson? To the consumer, beauty is only skin deep. Us techie types are deeper and can see the true beauty. Who woulda thunk it? I'm kind of hoping someone does a lot of good with the freed CAD drawings. Seeing as how I'm not willing to pay the exorbitant price for ProE, I won't be able to do anything with it. L On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/25/08, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not soo easy. One thinks it look like a buttplug I do not agree. Many of my friends likes the design - believe it or not. And it is much better than many other phones out there - some even has this ugly keypads -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS
On Fri, April 25, 2008 2:18 pm, Crane, Matthew wrote: Yes, I understand that, that is why I'm thinking of this approach. My idea was to use analog voice transforms and their inverse with properties that would preserve most of the codec performance. But it would be awfully difficult to sync up the inverse on the other end without a data connection, I expect that with voice calls that delay can be added and removed without warning. I don't think this is a practical idea, even if it would work (which I doubt). The problem is that unlike cyphers like PGP, analogue audio cyphers are fairly easy to break with modern computers, and anyone attempting to eavesdrop on your voice call will quite well resourced. Analogue audio scramblers are probably helpful for wired phone calls where you might be worried about a low tech attack such as a Hotel telephonist recording your phone call to your mistress, and then using it to blackmail you, but for GSM calls, the air interface between your handset and the base station is usually encrypted using the A5 cypher. So the only way someone can listen to your call is by having access to the telephone company switch. This could be via hacking, a corrupt employee, or lawful intercept. Either way the eavesdropper is likely to have access to all the equipment he needs to decrypt a simple voice scrambled call. The way I see it, the only way you can get encrypted voice calls is either to wait until both you and the other party are near WiFi access points, and do it over VOIP, or to do VOIP over GSM, and put up with the huge latency, which will give you a walke-talkie like connection. -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Cairo, Egypt. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mohamed, Where are you located? Perhaps we can combine you with something. Michael Mohamed Hazem wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/24/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. THANK YOU!! This news made me extremly happy -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switzerland - group order
Hello, when the friends in switzerland need a place to talk about a group order, and talk about the details, feel free to do this on www.freeyourphone.de/forum Your welcome... Greets Stefan openmoko list subsriber wrote: Advance payment is no problem for me either ;-) P.Aeberli ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switzerland - group order
Oh my god! I knew there were some geniuses on this list, but never thought we got Einstein on our side. :D Cheers! Kosa On 25/04/2008, at 10:53 a.m., einstein wrote: Hello, when the friends in switzerland need a place to talk about a group order, and talk about the details, feel free to do this on www.freeyourphone.de/forum Your welcome... Greets Stefan openmoko list subsriber wrote: Advance payment is no problem for me either ;-) P.Aeberli ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group Order Germany, NRW, Bielefeld
Hi, anyone near Bielefeld, NRW, Germany who wants to join our group to get the extras? please put your contact details on the wiki site ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Bielefeld ) ...cannot wait for freerunner, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
It was the GTA01.. the first pics I saw of the GTA02 was last week. I showed both colors of the GTA01. I got the impression was it was the shape that was a turn off but I am not sure because I never asked for that kind of detail. Although I do have to admit I'd never heard it called a buttplug before. That's an interesting observation. If I were to make three recommendation for GTA03 (or whatever the consumer version is going to be), it would be focus group, focus group, focus group. L On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nine out of ten typical consumers I show it to think it's ugly and wouldn't buy it because of looks alone. Are you showing them a black one? Its a lot sexier than the gta01 in my opinion. But, that doesn't matter: the most common feedback I get is that, in spite of external appearances, even the GUI is horrendously ugly too .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:38:24 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood what has been stated) is * 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file no - not going to work. 21fps at best. :( Ah... I thought that the limitation was only on playing media saved on SD, not on data streaming from the net. Anyway if the player frame-dropping is enabled (or setting the -fps value to 20 in mplayer, for example), I guess we could get a better video quality than the other formats... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Order Germany, NRW, Bielefeld
Am Freitag, den 25.04.2008, 18:34 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl: anyone near Bielefeld, NRW, Germany who wants to join our group to get the extras? please put your contact details on the wiki site ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Bielefeld ) ...cannot wait for freerunner, Sebastian Well, no, there is nothing called Bielefeld. You belong to THEM, right? SCNR Greetings to Bielefeld, I lived there a long time ago ;) -- BOFH-excuse of the day: Evil dogs hypnotised the night shift ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
I've not had ANYONE comment it's ugly but just about everyone I've handed it to said It's HUGE. I personally LOVE it, I'm huge too. :) On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was the GTA01.. the first pics I saw of the GTA02 was last week. I showed both colors of the GTA01. I got the impression was it was the shape that was a turn off but I am not sure because I never asked for that kind of detail. Although I do have to admit I'd never heard it called a buttplug before. That's an interesting observation. If I were to make three recommendation for GTA03 (or whatever the consumer version is going to be), it would be focus group, focus group, focus group. L On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nine out of ten typical consumers I show it to think it's ugly and wouldn't buy it because of looks alone. Are you showing them a black one? Its a lot sexier than the gta01 in my opinion. But, that doesn't matter: the most common feedback I get is that, in spite of external appearances, even the GUI is horrendously ugly too .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
On 4/23/08, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, and you can set several 'away' messages depending on why you don't want to be disturbed. Some sort of voicemail app on the phone which plays back one of several messages like Hi, I'm enjoying a movie right now, leave a message or check back later or Sorry I can't take your call, I'm in a meeting, leave a message or whatever. ... Having a voice mail app on the phone that acts like pidgin for setting multiple 'away' scenarios would be extremely useful. I've seen some Emails on the list recently about a voice mail app, but I don't recall what it was called or whether it has this sort of feature. Haven't got the time at the moment to look it up and see. I would love to see this feature implemented:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Friday 25 April 2008 skrev Kevin Dean: I've not had ANYONE comment it's ugly but just about everyone I've handed it to said It's HUGE. Well... i must say that it's the comment i've gotten when showing the pictures and such to people. Either It's really big, isn't it? or Damn, that's one ugly thing, very often along with a description of items they think they resemble (ice hockey pucks and such things) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kentucky / Indiana Group Order
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:16:09 -0400 Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone from around here interested in getting a group order together? Where in IN/KY are you guys? Is Chicago too far away for this group? -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Mohamed Hazem wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? Where are you? Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kentucky / Indiana Group Order
Louisville, KY On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Joseph Jon Booker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:16:09 -0400 Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone from around here interested in getting a group order together? Where in IN/KY are you guys? Is Chicago too far away for this group? -- Joseph Booker -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kentucky / Indiana Group Order
On Fri April 25 2008 3:30:13 pm Geoff Ruscoe wrote: Louisville, KY On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Joseph Jon Booker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:16:09 -0400 Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone from around here interested in getting a group order together? Where in IN/KY are you guys? Is Chicago too far away for this group? -- Joseph Booker I'm in Kokomo, pretty much right between you both. It's up to you guys wether you want to all meet in Indiana or have separate groups for each state. -- Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://onedollarlinux.com BLOG - http://onedollarlinux.com/personal/ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kentucky / Indiana Group Order
I figured that the person who started a KY/IN group would be from Louisville or New Albany and not from Indy, Fort Wayne or Lexington. Keep in mind when forming the groups that if it still needs to be shipped (as opposed to physically delivered) there isn't much savings. You're saving $30 by buying in groups - if you spend $20 in shipping or gas, you're not really getting that great of a deal. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri April 25 2008 3:30:13 pm Geoff Ruscoe wrote: Louisville, KY On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Joseph Jon Booker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:16:09 -0400 Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone from around here interested in getting a group order together? Where in IN/KY are you guys? Is Chicago too far away for this group? -- Joseph Booker I'm in Kokomo, pretty much right between you both. It's up to you guys wether you want to all meet in Indiana or have separate groups for each state. -- Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://onedollarlinux.com BLOG - http://onedollarlinux.com/personal/ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
research project topic
Hi community, I'm studying electrical engineering at Karlsruhe University in Germany and I nearly finished. Now I have to do a student research project and because I'm a big fan of the openmoko/freerunner project I want to combine this. I've got an offer from an Institude to do something like that. I must give them a topic that must contain research and the GPS. Now is the question, what research with the freerunner and it's GPS device can I do that would help the openmoko community and seems to be something that institute would support. It should not be only writing a gui or something like that. I have got to improve, develop, add or optimize something. This project should last between 3 and 6 months. I'am also trying hard to be allowed to give my research solution back to the community, as kind of code or information. I'm looking forward to free my phone and support the project All the best, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kentucky / Indiana Group Order
I attend the University of Kentucky. We have 4...maybe 5 people planning on buying one here. I added my name to the list. We were going to try to get 10 people just here around Lexington...but hey, if others around the Lexington area want to join in, we can go in with you guys! -Dan Staley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: research project topic
A-GPS please :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:A-GPS Joseph On 25/04/2008, simarillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community, I'm studying electrical engineering at Karlsruhe University in Germany and I nearly finished. Now I have to do a student research project and because I'm a big fan of the openmoko/freerunner project I want to combine this. I've got an offer from an Institude to do something like that. I must give them a topic that must contain research and the GPS. Now is the question, what research with the freerunner and it's GPS device can I do that would help the openmoko community and seems to be something that institute would support. It should not be only writing a gui or something like that. I have got to improve, develop, add or optimize something. This project should last between 3 and 6 months. I'am also trying hard to be allowed to give my research solution back to the community, as kind of code or information. I'm looking forward to free my phone and support the project All the best, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kentucky / Indiana Group Order
Hello, I am in Lexington, KY at the Univ of Kentucky too, and I am very interested! :) __ Donnie Jones On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Dan Staley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I attend the University of Kentucky. We have 4...maybe 5 people planning on buying one here. I added my name to the list. We were going to try to get 10 people just here around Lexington...but hey, if others around the Lexington area want to join in, we can go in with you guys! -Dan Staley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Well ONE of my friends say so Flemming Richter Mikkelsen skrev: On 4/25/08, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not soo easy. One thinks it look like a buttplug I do not agree. Many of my friends likes the design - believe it or not. And it is much better than many other phones out there - some even has this ugly keypads ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the second could be handled by an answering machine right on the phone. We have a summer of code project this year that's aiming for exactly that. Perfect. Make sure they don't leave out the reject with SMS feature - it's just so useful and I'd hate loosing it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Ignore-Call_Button / Fredrik Wendt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switzerland - group order
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: If payments can be settled in advance (I don't want to get stuck with 4000USD worth of Neos :P), I would volunteer to order an initial 10pack. Thanks! Sure, payment in advance would be fine. Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
The Freerunner will be replacing a Sony Ericsson P990i http://www.cellphonebeat.com/images/p990i_.jpg here - now THAT'S a phone which could barely be more ugly, but nevertheless it sold well on its features (and besides, ugliness is STILL only an opinion). I could not agree more:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
If they say it's huge, then I tend not to correct them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:34 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!! Friday 25 April 2008 skrev Kevin Dean: I've not had ANYONE comment it's ugly but just about everyone I've handed it to said It's HUGE. Well... i must say that it's the comment i've gotten when showing the pictures and such to people. Either It's really big, isn't it? or Damn, that's one ugly thing, very often along with a description of items they think they resemble (ice hockey pucks and such things) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Somebody needs to work on the software to make it vibrate better. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Frøyseth Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:13 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!! Not soo easy. One thinks it look like a buttplug The design ruin for many Flemming Richter Mikkelsen skrev: On 4/25/08, Mohamed Hazem mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? Convince your friends to buy a Freerunner:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbee wants to kick start - second try
On 4/24/08, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Adilson Oliveira - - I've being reading about a project to implement cryptography on Openmoko so the calls and text messages can be secured, unfortunately I forgot the name of the project but I've heard that voice calls can't be secured like that due limitations on the way GSM work. Is this correct? As far as I understood it, a GSoC-Project is a sms middleware, which should (theoretically) implement a way to simply encrypt with gpg the sms. Phone calls can't be encrypted that easilly because, as far as i understood it, the microphone is connected directly to the gsm chip. But we have many intelligent people here, so someone will probably find a way to do even that. The microphone is connected to the sound card:) The reason that encrypted calls over GSM is so difficult, is that the GSM chip samples and encode the input from the microphone. This coding is optimized for speach only and does not actually send your speach over the network, but it breakes the sound up in small parts and use a lookup table to find something that is more or less similar. It then sends the table index over the network. The actual sound is never sent, not even in digital form. This is at least how I remember it -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Start a group. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomas Di Domenico Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:54 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!! Ack. I feel so lonely :P (I'm in Argentina) On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Freerunner AC adaptor.. Kevin dean you there?
no trick I have the car one as well. I didn't see any rating on it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Dean Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Freerunner AC adaptor.. Kevin dean you there? On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:47 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my razr charger draws 850. I haven't check my igo charger, Kevin is the IGO usb 100ma or 500ma? This may be a trick question... I don't have an AC iGo, I have a DC iGO car charger. http://info.igo.com/mobility/datasheets/auto8.pdf -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:37 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Freerunner AC adaptor Just as a comparison, since my workplace just got me a Blackberry World Phone (8830), here's a photo of the power adapters that come with it, which I guess connect to the standard American power plug. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2435261066/ For what it's worth, the Blackberry charger also ends in a USB plug, but I didn't check the wall plug portion to see how many mA it draws. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Freerunner AC adaptor.. Kevin dean you there?
I just plug it in and see if smoke comes out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Dean Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:07 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Freerunner AC adaptor.. Kevin dean you there? So... Here's the magical question. How would an average user like myself find that out without buying equipment to test it if the manufacturer didn't include actualy numbers (or in my case, if the manufacturer specifies a range of possibilities)? On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:59 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My new Blackberry 8830 charger draws 500mA -id For what it's worth, the Blackberry charger also ends in a USB plug, but I didn't check the wall plug portion to see how many mA it draws. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner AC adaptor.. Kevin dean you there?
Using Bobby's application the iGo charged fast charges my Neo1973 and it doesn't set fire to my Element. That's good enough in my book. :) On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 6:10 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just plug it in and see if smoke comes out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Dean Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:07 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Freerunner AC adaptor.. Kevin dean you there? So... Here's the magical question. How would an average user like myself find that out without buying equipment to test it if the manufacturer didn't include actualy numbers (or in my case, if the manufacturer specifies a range of possibilities)? On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:59 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My new Blackberry 8830 charger draws 500mA -id For what it's worth, the Blackberry charger also ends in a USB plug, but I didn't check the wall plug portion to see how many mA it draws. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS research project topic
On 25 Apr 2008, at 20:57, simarillion wrote: ... Now I have to do a student research project and because I'm a big fan of the openmoko/freerunner project I want to combine this. ... I must give them a topic that must contain research and the GPS. Now is the question, what research with the freerunner and it's GPS device can I do that would help the openmoko community and seems to be something that institute would support. It should not be only writing a gui or something like that. I have got to improve, develop, add or optimize something. Hi there, What I'd really like to see for OpenMoko GPS is a way to text- message (SMS) your location to someone. When an OpenMoko device receives a text message containing a location it automatically opens (say) a GPS-compass and points the direction and distance to the sender. I do not know if this would satisfy your research criteria, but there are a number of ways the project can be developed. The address book must have a new option so that you select a contact and then choose Find me! - this automatically gets location from the GPS and sends it in an appropriate format. The SMS application on the receiving OpenMoko must recognise the location format and pass the location data as a parameter to another (user specifiable) application. The map or compass application must be patched to read parameters when it is opened and point the compass at that location or show it on the map. The location should probably not be automatically added to the recipient's waypoint database, because the receiver will probably never use that location again. It is acceptable to create a waypoint called temp if it does not exist and overwrite temp if it does exist already. If the user renames the temp waypoint to something more recognisable (eg: bar on the beach) then it should not be overwritten. My interest in this is that I used to fly paragliders pretty seriously, and once one becomes adept at flying more than a 20 or 30 kilometres, getting home becomes a problem. Usually your friends will come looking for you - when I first started flying many people did not have mobile phones, and their prevalence became a god-send. Nevertheless, one may still be limited to describing one's location as just a few miles past Uckfield, I'm right by a white farmhouse but I'm walking to a nearby cross-roads; I'll tell you what its signposts say when I get there. The problem becomes compounded when one is on holiday - in the Alps it is easier to fly larger distances, and once into the next valley one may not know the name of the town near which one has landed. One may land only a mile or two from the highway but be unable to describe one's location because one doesn't know to say I'm on the side-road which leads to $town. Further, the retrieve driver may find it difficult to get directions from locals, especially if the driver doesn't speak the language, and consider the roaming charges incurred by long and complicated conversations of misdirections! When I was last flying seriously there was some initial talk by the marketing departments some manufacturers (Nokia?) of adding this feature to their phones. So I would guess there are one or two models already on the market which do this. The OpenMoko needs to be able to interpret the location format of these phones, and the address book needs a function to specify alternative formats for the find me! SMS, so that it can be sent to Nokia or Motorola (which surely use proprietary location formats). Clearly, this feature sells itself to walkers and hikers and outdoor- pursuits enthusiasts, but it would also be of great use to the wider population. I think that after you've used this feature just once you'll never want to be without it! Say you are meeting friends in a club or a bar, and you don't know where it is. They just send you an SMS and your phone bleeps and you look at the screen and it says 300 metres that way (and if they're two or three streets away the needle points in the right direction when you come to a junction). This becomes even more useful when you're driving across down because Bob's recently moved house or there are a bunch of people in town for a MeetUp (tm) this evening, but a crowd have arrived early and have found a park to laze in (I'm thinking especially of typical Internet MeetUps, when many people may be from out of town, and don't know the area; neither party may be able to give good directions!). For this to work all mapish (i.e. map and GPS-compass) applications need to accept parameters and behave sensibly with them (EG: /usr/ bin/kompass 44.09,6.236389 needs to start that program without the user having to separately enter the destination) but in case the software author does something stupid one needs the option to manually specify the command line called by the SMS receive
RE: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
harry and I will work something out, we are configuring a package of spares and other bits for resellars. We are doing this real time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Bonnet Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:57 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Harry Tsai; William Lai Subject: Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!! steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. What about the resellers ? Can we have a stock of items when we order in bulk too ? Regards, -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
We maybe must stop this or freerunner will be the first mobile phone with a PARENTAL ADVISORY tag in its case. :) In oderside it can be a very agresive marketing campaing Open your.phone Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On 4/25/08, steve wrote: Somebody needs to work on the software to make it vibrate better. Maybe I'll have a look at it (need to get the phone first). I got one idea, but I need to test it:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community - Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbee wants to kick start - second try
If it's like that, then a simple amplitude-modulation over a pre-recorded, fixed, carrier of the encrypted data should be no problem, since amplitudes are sent... On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/24/08, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Adilson Oliveira - - I've being reading about a project to implement cryptography on Openmoko so the calls and text messages can be secured, unfortunately I forgot the name of the project but I've heard that voice calls can't be secured like that due limitations on the way GSM work. Is this correct? As far as I understood it, a GSoC-Project is a sms middleware, which should (theoretically) implement a way to simply encrypt with gpg the sms. Phone calls can't be encrypted that easilly because, as far as i understood it, the microphone is connected directly to the gsm chip. But we have many intelligent people here, so someone will probably find a way to do even that. The microphone is connected to the sound card:) The reason that encrypted calls over GSM is so difficult, is that the GSM chip samples and encode the input from the microphone. This coding is optimized for speach only and does not actually send your speach over the network, but it breakes the sound up in small parts and use a lookup table to find something that is more or less similar. It then sends the table index over the network. The actual sound is never sent, not even in digital form. This is at least how I remember it -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Order Germany, NRW, Bielefeld
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Roland, I also live in NRW/Germany, exactly near Cologne. The best way you could get a cheap Freerunner schould be here: http://freeyourphone.de/forum/index.php?topic=79.0 Greetings Bastian Roland Häder schrieb: | I'm in North Germany but will be in NRW, Krefeld in August this year. | | But I have already single-pre-ordered it. :/ | | Roland | | On Friday, 25. April 2008, darktim wrote: | Am Freitag, den 25.04.2008, 18:34 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl: | anyone near Bielefeld, NRW, Germany who wants to join our group to get | the extras? | | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIEoGjlYiDScJJ+7QRAsfuAJ9dEq/c7yOAo6OgSYjtNKQFzyY9vwCfS/1F G27cIRnHNVUVcuhPIjZZ0lg= =nMdk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbee wants to kick start - second try
ramsesoriginal wrote: If it's like that, then a simple amplitude-modulation over a pre-recorded, fixed, carrier of the encrypted data should be no problem, since amplitudes are sent... It's not. It sends what is in essence a model of what state the human throat is in. This is what the codec is designed to extract. It takes the audio signal, and extracts features that could have been generated by a human throat/mouth, and throws away the bits it thinks the human won't notice. It then encodes this information in such a manner that small bit errors cause minor sound degradation on the other end. On the other end, a reverse process is performed. The fact that any non-vocal signal at all can get through is a byproduct, and the system is _not_ robust to this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vienna - group order
Jay Vaughan omg jay bist du das? :D daniel aka slite : ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:56:44 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:38:24 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood what has been stated) is * 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file no - not going to work. 21fps at best. :( Ah... I thought that the limitation was only on playing media saved on SD, not on data streaming from the net. Anyway if the player frame-dropping is enabled (or setting the -fps value to 20 in mplayer, for example), I guess we could get a better video quality than the other formats... as per the thread (just scroll back through it) there is a general limitation of video bus bandwidth. this will always limit the amount of data you can feed to the graphics chip (the glamo). this SAME bus is SHARED with SD Card data. so that same bandwidth now is for both functions, not just graphics. i tested - 21fps is what i got for my 320x240 test mp3g4 file (of course bitrate will vary this framerate, and different codecs will also affect it). -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
