Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
Hi. David Samblas Martinez schrieb: There are some good java games for movile phone out there than can be executed with jlimo. s/jlimo/jalimo/ I suppose. :) I am currently in the process of bringing MIDPath 0.3 into OE. So you will soon have it in OM, too. Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
Hi, ramsesoriginal schrieb: I just watched http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? kobodeluxe! :D There are tons of good games in your average GNU/Linux distro. Just do a little porting work and add them to OE. Someone fumbled with wesnoth lately... Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
Hi. Alexander Frøyseth schrieb: Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe? If that will go, I will be a very happy man :D Works. I have put 0.6.0 into OE lately. Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
Hi, Mo Abrahams schrieb: I like the idea of dosbox... any chance of dungeon keeper? Or is that being a bit too optimistic? You're joking. :) http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=5 I added latest dosbox to OE lately and tested it on the Neo and the N800. On the much more advanced N800 hardware Dune2 was barely playable (4-5 frameskip, no sound). Ask again in 5 years. ;) Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A few questions about the games
Hi,
Mo Abrahams schrieb:
I notice that the game kobodeluxe is in the applications menu, not the
games one. Is there a reason for this?
IMO sdl.bbclass which generates the .desktop file is broken. There is no
possibility to set the displayed program name (it is taken from the
package name) and sets this:
Type=Application
Categories=Games
Apart from that I think that the APPNAME variable is an unfortunate name
for a thing that is called Exec in the .desktop file:
Exec=${APPNAME}
Regards
Robert
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Also, it looks to me that iPhone has much more features (it has 8 GB memory - I could not see similar in Free-runner). As per the SDHC thread, any standard microSDHC card will work. I think the plan is to include 512MB by default. But you can buy an 8GB card on your own, then you've got 8GB. And as I understand, 16GB cards will be on the market soon. Why is the Free-runner cost so high? With open-source development, the cost of devices should in fact come down (that is my thinking - correct me if I am wrong). At least be at par with I'm not sure why you're focusing exclusively on the iPhone. It is a Smart Phone, so that includes iPhone, Blackberry, Dash, etc. all in that class. Such phones seem to be generally in the $300-$600 USD range (purchased separately from a contract), so $400 USD doesn't seem too unreasonable to me. Maybe the Indian market is different. Then there's the simple supply and demand issue. OpenMoko's current audience is techies and developer types. It doesn't quite seem ready for mainstream anyway. And since it's inherently unlocked, I wouldn't expect to see it as an option from any cell provider until/unless the concept catches on more widely. So, the demand is tiny compared to the iPhone. And it doesn't have a well established foothold for businesses like BlackBerry. I'd love cheaper too. But, I'm OK with paying the current price, since I'm interested in supporting this project from a political perspective. There have to be early adopters to get such an initiative really off the ground. Ted ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Hello I am not a phone production expert, but I will try to explain my point of view. Kunal Singh wrote: Hi, I am located in India, and I have decided to go for Free-runner. But, I am really wondering about why this phone is so costly? Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year. This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner (free-runner is currently available for $500 in India). I don't know how cost the iphone in India. I can do the comparation with the US price of Iphone. The iphone cost 499$ for 4 Gb version and 599$ for 8 Gb version. (please correct me if I am wrong) + 1 abbonament of 1 year (or 2, I don't remember with an Operator). Also this is a cost because by fact limit the possibility to activate the abonament with the operator that you prefer. May be you will like also, but it is a cost. The FreeRunner cost 399$ + expedition (that in europe are around 70 $) + taxes (but they are valid also with Iphone). So I think it is a bit cheaper. In every case this kind of comparation is a bit senseless because we are comparatin two different type of device. 1. IPhone want to be a phone easy of use, powerfull, styled (they used the best designer to create it), closed (you can use only firmware released by Apple), protected (the program you can install must to pass by apple store. 2, FreeRunner want to be (for now) a more Power user phone, powerfull, very open (in every this, from source code of Firmware to cad files), where the user has all the freedom to install and to develop the program that it want. You can put your had in it, to customize it in a way that I phone don't permit. If you want you can change also the operative system. It is like comparating PC compatible with a Mac. Are devices can not to be comparated. There is who want to be able to build his pc piece by piece, and who want that it just run. If you want to put your hands in or to partecipate as viewer to an opensource developent or you have some ethical reason (like me), I think is good for you a Freerunner. If you want it just run (and well), that is styled, that use wallet garden services, and IPhone is ok for you. I was able to explain? Also, it looks to me that iPhone has much more features (it has 8 GB memory - I could not see similar in Free-runner). It is expandible with micro sd bigger that 8 Gb, but you can do it only if you need. Freerunner is not very usable as video playback device. Than Openmoko is trying to use when is possible device with open specification, and this is not very easy for a firm. Doing me they are doing a lot to bring chip firms to open their specification, and this, according me, help to make a better world! On a plus side, iPhone is fully tested. Their is official performance rating for each feature. They can not to test all the feature possible, because it is a open box :) Why is the Free-runner cost so high? With open-source development, the cost of devices should in fact come down (that is my thinking - correct me if I am wrong). At least be at par with the commercial products. Open-source development doesn't mean that the programmer work for free! This is a common error that a lot of person do. In Openmoko there are a lot of talented persons that has a family and they need a salary. Openmoko, with difference of Apple, take money only on the sell of Freerunner, not also, like Apple, on the sales of the music that they sell with I Tunes. Is normal that in case of Freerunner the price go up Is the high cost due to the low volume production? Or something related to the location of production units? If the cost is high because of above (or similar) factors, I assume that costs will come down in long run. In such a scenario, does any one have a (rough) idea about what the final (appx) costs would be? Will it be any better than the commercial products? It is volume related, it is target related, openess related, etc. I hope it will become other device comparable in a short future, I hope a lot, but for now, it can be comparated only thinking well which are their particular characteristics. My interest in openMoko is purely from a developer's point of view (I guess every one currently using it is has similar interests). And the reason why I want to participate in open source development is that I want technology to proliferate and become affordable to the common masses. If this objective is not going to be satisfied, I am going to feel a bit dis-appointed with the loss of time which I spend on my efforts. Also, I really find the Free-runner too expensive just for the development purpose. I am hoping that if I can use it as my cell-phone, I can feel a little better. In case the phone is not practically usable (very poor battery performance, or loosing networks, going to infinite sleep etc), that will add to dis-appointment too. Another
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Kunal Singh schrieb: Hi, I am located in India, and I have decided to go for Free-runner. But, I am really wondering about why this phone is so costly? Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year. This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner (free-runner is currently available for $500 in India). Also, it looks to me that iPhone has much more features (it has 8 GB memory - I could not see similar in Free-runner). On a plus side, iPhone is fully tested. Their is official performance rating for each feature. Why is the Free-runner cost so high? With open-source development, the cost of devices should in fact come down (that is my thinking - correct me if I am wrong). At least be at par with the commercial products. Is the high cost due to the low volume production? Or something related to the location of production units? If the cost is high because of above (or similar) factors, I assume that costs will come down in long run. In such a scenario, does any one have a (rough) idea about what the final (appx) costs would be? Will it be any better than the commercial products? My interest in openMoko is purely from a developer's point of view (I guess every one currently using it is has similar interests). And the reason why I want to participate in open source development is that I want technology to proliferate and become affordable to the common masses. If this objective is not going to be satisfied, I am going to feel a bit dis-appointed with the loss of time which I spend on my efforts. Also, I really find the Free-runner too expensive just for the development purpose. I am hoping that if I can use it as my cell-phone, I can feel a little better. In case the phone is not practically usable (very poor battery performance, or loosing networks, going to infinite sleep etc), that will add to dis-appointment too. Another possibility - is it that Free-runner is much beyond iPhone in feature list (which I have failed to capture)? I think the cost is that high because you get an Iphone usually with acontract to a specific firm. the other thing is that the Iphoneis closed sothey make the real money by selling music and stuff like that. for the hardware features i think they are pretty even. the iphone has multituch but no GPS and lower resolution. but the big feature of om is, that you are independent. you can do what you want with it. Iphone contracts dont allow you that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
You are right, I was joking... doesn't mean I'm not disappointed though! Sounds like you are doing amazing work though, keep it up =D On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 08:59 +0200, Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, Mo Abrahams schrieb: I like the idea of dosbox... any chance of dungeon keeper? Or is that being a bit too optimistic? You're joking. :) http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=5 I added latest dosbox to OE lately and tested it on the Neo and the N800. On the much more advanced N800 hardware Dune2 was barely playable (4-5 frameskip, no sound). Ask again in 5 years. ;) Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Hi, --- Kunal Singh wrote: | Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year. | This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner \-- Actually, the iPhone is costlier (around INR 27-28k, or USD 700) than the FreeRunner (INR 20k, or USD 500). But, one cannot compare price with software freedom (priceless). http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/apr/16apple.htm http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/04/18/vodafone-will-reportedly-carry-iphone-in-india-in-september http://www.iphonenirvana.net/ --- | And the reason why I want to participate in open source development \-- ... in which case the iPhone is out of the question. So, why bother about the cost? Even if you imported hardware development boards from China/Taiwan to India, you will end up paying 70% of the product prise for customs+tax. If you want to do it as business, then, add some percentage for your profit, which, will again increase the consumer price. Or, do it the usual way. Buy it in US/Europe/Singapore, and if someone known to you is flying down to India (which always happens), ask them to hand-carry it. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Svara till: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Till: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Ämne: Re: Gaming on Openmoko? Datum: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:55:02 +0100 p I do not know if this is true but I read somewhere that dosemu wins over dosbox in performance any day. Does anyone knows if this is true? Because, if it's that way then we should really ditch dosbox and focus on dosemu for our nostalgia ;). /tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Just to clarify the Rs 2/- price in India includes shipping to your address in India, customs and VAT duties, a 30 days return policy (We added to the Openmoko DOA return policy at our own risk as we want the initial lots of phones to go to people who are aware that the software needs polishing and are comfortable using the phone; this is something that no other phone company is offering in India though is a norm abroad) and a one year warranty ( we are again keeping 5% of our stock in reserve to deal with warranty returns that can not be repaired that adds to our costs). Keeping the above in mind Rs 2/- looks like a reasonable price. On another note I have used the GTA01 as my main phone for some time and on qtopia and (as far as I know) on mwester's suspend resume worked kernel I don't get calls that don't wake up suspend as long as I do a full shut down and boot up every morning. Battery life is a problem (5-6 hours if you talk a lot or dont talk at all) but I keep a spare battery and almost always am near a wall socket, car or computer (HTC Universal chargers seem to work for me - not too sure if fast charge is actually enabled but the phone charges up). Rakshat www.idasystems.net -- Forwarded message -- From: Kunal Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:43:22 +0530 Subject: Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date Hi, I am located in India, and I have decided to go for Free-runner. But, I am really wondering about why this phone is so costly? Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year. This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner (free-runner is currently available for $500 in India). Also, it looks to me that iPhone has much more features (it has 8 GB memory - I could not see similar in Free-runner). On a plus side, iPhone is fully tested. Their is official performance rating for each feature. Why is the Free-runner cost so high? With open-source development, the cost of devices should in fact come down (that is my thinking - correct me if I am wrong). At least be at par with the commercial products. Is the high cost due to the low volume production? Or something related to the location of production units? If the cost is high because of above (or similar) factors, I assume that costs will come down in long run. In such a scenario, does any one have a (rough) idea about what the final (appx) costs would be? Will it be any better than the commercial products? My interest in openMoko is purely from a developer's point of view (I guess every one currently using it is has similar interests). And the reason why I want to participate in open source development is that I want technology to proliferate and become affordable to the common masses. If this objective is not going to be satisfied, I am going to feel a bit dis-appointed with the loss of time which I spend on my efforts. Also, I really find the Free-runner too expensive just for the development purpose. I am hoping that if I can use it as my cell-phone, I can feel a little better. In case the phone is not practically usable (very poor battery performance, or loosing networks, going to infinite sleep etc), that will add to dis-appointment too. Another possibility - is it that Free-runner is much beyond iPhone in feature list (which I have failed to capture)? Regards, Kunal Singh www.singhkunal.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Hi all, thanks for so much of information. Now I have a better knowledge of what extra I am going to get with Free-runner: (1) no contract with service provider (2) no hidden costs like i-tunes (3) openness; freedom to experiment In addition I will be supporting open source. another point which I wanted to reply to Michele wrote: Open-source development doesn't mean that the programmer work for free! This is a common error that a lot of person do. In Openmoko there are a lot of talented persons that has a family and they need a salary. Hi Michele, fully agree with you on both the facts. (1) Open-source development does not mean free. But effective cost come down as (a) As there will be some contributors (though it will be very less % of total, and this type of free support will mainly come during later stages of the project) working for free (b) making big profits is generally not the goal of open-source projects (again i say generally, there will be exceptions), whereas profit is the sole objective with other projects. the open-source projects have other motivations (in addition to profit) (2) There are lot of talented persons on project - hats off to them. They have developed a phone which is comparable to any other smart phone in the world. Those phones have hundreds of developer working on it with budget of hundreds of millions US$. And they take years to perfect their designs. openMoko is a wonderful product. Regards, Kunal enaut wrote: Kunal Singh schrieb: Hi, I am located in India, and I have decided to go for Free-runner. But, I am really wondering about why this phone is so costly? Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year. This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner (free-runner is currently available for $500 in India). Also, it looks to me that iPhone has much more features (it has 8 GB memory - I could not see similar in Free-runner). On a plus side, iPhone is fully tested. Their is official performance rating for each feature. Why is the Free-runner cost so high? With open-source development, the cost of devices should in fact come down (that is my thinking - correct me if I am wrong). At least be at par with the commercial products. Is the high cost due to the low volume production? Or something related to the location of production units? If the cost is high because of above (or similar) factors, I assume that costs will come down in long run. In such a scenario, does any one have a (rough) idea about what the final (appx) costs would be? Will it be any better than the commercial products? My interest in openMoko is purely from a developer's point of view (I guess every one currently using it is has similar interests). And the reason why I want to participate in open source development is that I want technology to proliferate and become affordable to the common masses. If this objective is not going to be satisfied, I am going to feel a bit dis-appointed with the loss of time which I spend on my efforts. Also, I really find the Free-runner too expensive just for the development purpose. I am hoping that if I can use it as my cell-phone, I can feel a little better. In case the phone is not practically usable (very poor battery performance, or loosing networks, going to infinite sleep etc), that will add to dis-appointment too. Another possibility - is it that Free-runner is much beyond iPhone in feature list (which I have failed to capture)? I think the cost is that high because you get an Iphone usually with acontract to a specific firm. the other thing is that the Iphoneis closed sothey make the real money by selling music and stuff like that. for the hardware features i think they are pretty even. the iphone has multituch but no GPS and lower resolution. but the big feature of om is, that you are independent. you can do what you want with it. Iphone contracts dont allow you that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
:D How are the controlls? This is a big plus :D Robert Schuster skrev: Hi. Alexander Frøyseth schrieb: Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe? If that will go, I will be a very happy man :D Works. I have put 0.6.0 into OE lately. Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
I myself was planning on (ab)using the usb host feature to connect a real gamepad to the openmoko. No more problems with lack of keys to use on the game :) Ivo P.s.: Also, we have bluetooth, so ps3 remote and wiimote should also be usable. On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :D How are the controlls? This is a big plus :D Robert Schuster skrev: Hi. Alexander Frøyseth schrieb: Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe? If that will go, I will be a very happy man :D Works. I have put 0.6.0 into OE lately. Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
Maybe someone could make a nice gamepad accessory that just snaps onto the bottom of the phone? With regards to the wiimote, or any other controller for that matter, I can't visualise someone holding the screen (phone) in one hand, and the controller in the other. On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 14:45 +0100, Ivo Anjo wrote: I myself was planning on (ab)using the usb host feature to connect a real gamepad to the openmoko. No more problems with lack of keys to use on the game :) Ivo P.s.: Also, we have bluetooth, so ps3 remote and wiimote should also be usable. On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :D How are the controlls? This is a big plus :D Robert Schuster skrev: Hi. Alexander Frøyseth schrieb: Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe? If that will go, I will be a very happy man :D Works. I have put 0.6.0 into OE lately. Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Hi SK, Just to clarify, iPhone 8 GB (including the this 8 GB memory) is 399 US$. Of course the other issues like service provider agreement is an added pain. But the days of US$700 iPhone are gone. Regards, Kunal Shakthi Kannan wrote: Hi, --- Kunal Singh wrote: | Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year. | This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner \-- Actually, the iPhone is costlier (around INR 27-28k, or USD 700) than the FreeRunner (INR 20k, or USD 500). But, one cannot compare price with software freedom (priceless). http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/apr/16apple.htm http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/04/18/vodafone-will-reportedly-carry-iphone-in-india-in-september http://www.iphonenirvana.net/ --- | And the reason why I want to participate in open source development \-- ... in which case the iPhone is out of the question. So, why bother about the cost? Even if you imported hardware development boards from China/Taiwan to India, you will end up paying 70% of the product prise for customs+tax. If you want to do it as business, then, add some percentage for your profit, which, will again increase the consumer price. Or, do it the usual way. Buy it in US/Europe/Singapore, and if someone known to you is flying down to India (which always happens), ask them to hand-carry it. SK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
also days of 399$ Freerunner will go:) and GTA04 is already under early development...I think I'll wait a bit more to purchase 2008/5/10 Kunal Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi SK, Just to clarify, iPhone 8 GB (including the this 8 GB memory) is 399 US$. Of course the other issues like service provider agreement is an added pain. But the days of US$700 iPhone are gone. Regards, Kunal Shakthi Kannan wrote: Hi, --- Kunal Singh wrote: | Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year. | This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner \-- Actually, the iPhone is costlier (around INR 27-28k, or USD 700) than the FreeRunner (INR 20k, or USD 500). But, one cannot compare price with software freedom (priceless). http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/apr/16apple.htm http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/04/18/vodafone-will-reportedly-carry-iphone-in-india-in-september http://www.iphonenirvana.net/ --- | And the reason why I want to participate in open source development \-- ... in which case the iPhone is out of the question. So, why bother about the cost? Even if you imported hardware development boards from China/Taiwan to India, you will end up paying 70% of the product prise for customs+tax. If you want to do it as business, then, add some percentage for your profit, which, will again increase the consumer price. Or, do it the usual way. Buy it in US/Europe/Singapore, and if someone known to you is flying down to India (which always happens), ask them to hand-carry it. SK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 18:17 +0200, Andrea Debortoli wrote: also days of 399$ Freerunner will go:) and GTA04 is already under early development...I think I'll wait a bit more to purchase You are a lot more patient than I am. The only reason I didn't get the GTA01 is because I knew wifi was on it's way. I have been watching this project since pretty much the beginning, dreaming of when I will have one of these phones in my hand. This is coming from a person who has never paid more than £20 for a phone, and has never had a new one (always second hand). I never cared about mobile phones until openmoko. Can't for the life of me remember how I first heard about it though =S. Also... why is it going from GTA02 to GTA04 ? Won't the next phone be GTA03 (even if it is a developer model like GTA01 was)? Mo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
I heard about GTA04 on lists but fairly never about GTA03 btw I heard that numer 3 could be a particular numer that's better to skip in naming devices... I don't know if it's a religion/culture thingbut I don't careI WANT IT!...:) 2008/5/10 Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 18:17 +0200, Andrea Debortoli wrote: also days of 399$ Freerunner will go:) and GTA04 is already under early development...I think I'll wait a bit more to purchase You are a lot more patient than I am. The only reason I didn't get the GTA01 is because I knew wifi was on it's way. I have been watching this project since pretty much the beginning, dreaming of when I will have one of these phones in my hand. This is coming from a person who has never paid more than £20 for a phone, and has never had a new one (always second hand). I never cared about mobile phones until openmoko. Can't for the life of me remember how I first heard about it though =S. Also... why is it going from GTA02 to GTA04 ? Won't the next phone be GTA03 (even if it is a developer model like GTA01 was)? Mo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Mo Abrahams wrote: This is coming from a person who has never paid more than £20 for a phone, and has never had a new one (always second hand). I never cared about mobile phones until openmoko. Same here. In this moment I am using two phone payed 10 Euros (without abonament :) But now I want a phone nice! And I think GTA02 will work fine for me! Can't for the life of me remember how I first heard about it though =S. Also... why is it going from GTA02 to GTA04 ? Won't the next phone be GTA03 (even if it is a developer model like GTA01 was)? Mo. Right, where is GTA03? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 19:04 +0200, Andrea Debortoli wrote: I heard about GTA04 on lists but fairly never about GTA03 btw I heard that numer 3 could be a particular numer that's better to skip in naming devices... I don't know if it's a religion/culture thingbut I don't careI WANT IT!...:) Hmm, hopefully someone else will shed more light on that. I know different cultures have numbers that are considered unlucky, for example 13 in a lot of western cultures (not sure why), and the number 4 in Japanese culture (due to it having the same pronunciation (shi) as the word for death)... I think that also applies to chinese... but I have never heard of 3 being unlucky. Wasn't it meant to be the magic number? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 06:22:00PM +0100, Mo Abrahams wrote: Hmm, hopefully someone else will shed more light on that. I know different cultures have numbers that are considered unlucky, for example 13 in a lot of western cultures (not sure why), One theory is because it was the number of people present at the Last Supper. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- All mushrooms are edible, but some are only edible once. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
According to De La Soul it is! 2008/5/10 Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Hmm, hopefully someone else will shed more light on that. I know different cultures have numbers that are considered unlucky, for example 13 in a lot of western cultures (not sure why), and the number 4 in Japanese culture (due to it having the same pronunciation (shi) as the word for death)... I think that also applies to chinese... but I have never heard of 3 being unlucky. Wasn't it meant to be the magic number? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
How do you think I knew about rod holders? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:47 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Stylus Recommendation steve writes: haha. this will make you laugh. Not if you're a fisherman... though I've got rod holders I like a lot better. Like this in miniature mounted vertically on the back panel. backwoods geek! http://www.rodmounts.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Hugo Mills ha scritto: On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 06:22:00PM +0100, Mo Abrahams wrote: Hmm, hopefully someone else will shed more light on that. I know different cultures have numbers that are considered unlucky, for example 13 in a lot of western cultures (not sure why), One theory is because it was the number of people present at the Last Supper. Hugo. Or simply there are 2 ideas that come in my mind: 1) GTA03 as a development release (like the kernel tree, 2.4 usable, 2.5 development, 2.6 usable) 2) there is another milestone for the GTA02, the mass market phone, actually the hardware is fine, but the software still has some bugs and it's incomplete in some part Cya! Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: questions for steve regarding group purchases
I'm not sure about the paypal. A long while back when I suggested paypal there was a backlash from concerned people who thought that paypal was evil because it was American. I'll check on that. ( not the evil part, the paypal part) WRT to one shipment, if you order a 10 pack and debug board I would be surprised it was split into two shipments. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:24 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases Hi steve, thanks for the updates. I have a few additional questions on group purchase: Can we pay the group payment via paypal? If a member of our group wants to purchase the debug board, can we order that at the same time (and have it shipped together), or should he order that on his own? Thanks! . . .shawn - Original Message From: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 9:20:38 PM Subject: RE: questions for steve regarding group purchases The 10 pack will have to be ordered by one person. It will ship to that persons location. Now, how will people arrange to do this? I thought long and hard about this. And then I realized that some people will find one way, one guy pays and others promise to pay him. Some people will find another way, half up front and half on delivery. Some people will do contracts. Some people will just choose to do a single phone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:50 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: questions for steve regarding group purchases steve, what methods are being considered by openmoko for group purchasing? most of us do now know the other members of a group and would like some security that the group organised is not able to run off with the money - are openmoko willing to engage in purchases via escrow agents? or is it a case of 'sort it our amongst yourselves, all we want is a c card number or paypal account'? if the latter is the case, is there anything/anyone openmoko or anyone else here can recommend for making sure things go smoothly? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20 it now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
or gta03 was the board for that gps (DASH) thing hence next phone is gta04 JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
Well How are we going to pay anyway? Talking about single and group. steve skrev: I'm not sure about the paypal. A long while back when I suggested paypal there was a backlash from concerned people who thought that paypal was evil because it was American. I'll check on that. ( not the evil part, the paypal part) WRT to one shipment, if you order a 10 pack and debug board I would be surprised it was split into two shipments. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Shawn *Sent:* Friday, May 09, 2008 6:24 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases Hi steve, thanks for the updates. I have a few additional questions on group purchase: Can we pay the group payment via paypal? If a member of our group wants to purchase the debug board, can we order that at the same time (and have it shipped together), or should he order that on his own? Thanks! . . .shawn - Original Message From: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 9:20:38 PM Subject: RE: questions for steve regarding group purchases The 10 pack will have to be ordered by one person. It will ship to that persons location. Now, how will people arrange to do this? I thought long and hard about this. And then I realized that some people will find one way, one guy pays and others promise to pay him. Some people will find another way, half up front and half on delivery. Some people will do contracts. Some people will just choose to do a single phone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:50 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: questions for steve regarding group purchases steve, what methods are being considered by openmoko for group purchasing? most of us do now know the other members of a group and would like some security that the group organised is not able to run off with the money - are openmoko willing to engage in purchases via escrow agents? or is it a case of 'sort it our amongst yourselves, all we want is a c card number or paypal account'? if the latter is the case, is there anything/anyone openmoko or anyone else here can recommend for making sure things go smoothly? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Freerunner...when??
You have these stages to go through. Production: produce a pile of phones Test: test a Pile of phones. Pack: pack a pile of phones Ship from factory: ship a pile of phones. Customs: Phones sit in customs. Ship to Disty: phones get a ride in truck. Disty: Phones get prepared for shipment. web shop opens! Not 1-2 weeks, trust me. That said, production will commence before may 16. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:41 AM To: Giorgio M.; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Freerunner...when?? Nobody's 100% sure (not even OM), but it looks like they'll do their first production run in the next few (e.g. 3-5) days. Should be available a little bit after that, say 1-2 weeks? On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Giorgio M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to everybody, i'm new in the community list and I have a simple question: after a lot of time (too many time..), when (finally) Freerunner will be sold exactly?? thanks -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: CONCORSO BEST WESTERN Gioca e vinci! In palio ogni giorno buoni sconto da 50€ per soggiorni in tutto il mondo ed estrazione finale di una Citroen C1 Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=7802d=20080508 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
This is for the Colorado group purchase (10 pack plus 1 debug board). Our Utah friend is paying via PayPal and we figured if we could make the lump payment that way, we would. If not, I just need to know so we can get all the money into one place (: Thanks, Shawn S - Original Message From: Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:37:57 PM Subject: Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases Well How are we going to pay anyway? Talking about single and group. steve skrev: I’m not sure about the paypal. A long while back when I suggested paypal there was a backlash from concerned people who thought that paypal was evil because it was American. I’ll check on that. ( not the evil part, the paypal part) WRT to one shipment, if you order a 10 pack and debug board I would be surprised it was split into two shipments. From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:24 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases Hi steve, thanks for the updates. I have a few additional questions on group purchase: Can we pay the group payment via paypal? If a member of our group wants to purchase the debug board, can we order that at the same time (and have it shipped together), or should he order that on his own? Thanks! . . .shawn - Original Message From: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 9:20:38 PM Subject: RE: questions for steve regarding group purchases The 10 pack will have to be ordered by one person. It will ship to that persons location. Now, how will people arrange to do this? I thought long and hard about this. And then I realized that some people will find one way, one guy pays and others promise to pay him. Some people will find another way, half up front and half on delivery. Some people will do contracts. Some people will just choose to do a single phone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:50 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: questions for steve regarding group purchases steve, what methods are being considered by openmoko for group purchasing? most of us do now know the other members of a group and would like some security that the group organised is not able to run off with the money - are openmoko willing to engage in purchases via escrow agents? or is it a case of 'sort it our amongst yourselves, all we want is a c card number or paypal account'? if the latter is the case, is there anything/anyone openmoko or anyone else here can recommend for making sure things go smoothly? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
I've bought a Think Outside (also known as iGo?) bluetooth keyboard like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823203005R They are a bit cheaper on ebay, but anyway, it will be a good way to have an external controller (as well as a full keyboard for programming!) Also, I just finished heading up a project with several of my classmates at www.libwiiact.org that interfaces with the wiimote (actually to implement head tracking) and runs on linux...I'd be interested in working on some games combining the wiimote and OM. -Dan Staley On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 09:56 -0400, Mo Abrahams wrote: Maybe someone could make a nice gamepad accessory that just snaps onto the bottom of the phone? With regards to the wiimote, or any other controller for that matter, I can't visualise someone holding the screen (phone) in one hand, and the controller in the other. On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 14:45 +0100, Ivo Anjo wrote: I myself was planning on (ab)using the usb host feature to connect a real gamepad to the openmoko. No more problems with lack of keys to use on the game :) Ivo P.s.: Also, we have bluetooth, so ps3 remote and wiimote should also be usable. On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :D How are the controlls? This is a big plus :D Robert Schuster skrev: Hi. Alexander Frøyseth schrieb: Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe? If that will go, I will be a very happy man :D Works. I have put 0.6.0 into OE lately. Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
