wifi

[Charles Hill]

After two days of fighting with WPA2-PSK and getting nowhere, I figured
something out.

My WAP doesn't broadcast the SSID.  Normally, this isn't a problem as I
specify the SSID in the wpa_supplicant.conf file.  But when I turned ON
broadcast of SSID, I connected immediately and it even properly updated my
resolv.conf file.

So, if you're having problems connecting with WiFi, make sure you are
broadcasting your SSID.

 Charles
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Re: Hot Pocket

[Christoph Czernohous]

Actually mine is a 1973 not a FR. I set the power-saving to dim first
then lock and I do not experience random wake-ups.
However, since this happens with the phone in a pocket, I an imagine
the screen getting touched every now and then.

Christoph

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:42:37 -0600, shawn sullivan wrote:

Are you talking about this:
http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15

I can't get it to work properly. If I have my WiFi antenna off, (which I 
do at work, the IT guys get pissed if I leave that on), then the script 
doesn't run properly.

A lot of times the phone will randomly wake up on it's own too.

I should probably flash to a newer update and see if that helps at all.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 06:29:23PM +0100, Christoph Czernohous spake thusly:
 Yes, I can confirm this.

 On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:14:11 -0600, shawn sullivan wrote:

 Does anyone else's FR run really warm? I had mine in my pocket last 
 night for a few hours and my leg got really toasty!!
 
 Did you guys disable power saving? Do you ever let it sleep? I notice that
 if I press the power button and disable power saving on mine it can get
 warm.
 



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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/7/19 Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not everyone uses a decent MUA! I use gmail, which does allow not
 filter on arbitrary headers. So I filter on TO and CC addresses.

 Yes it does.

 Has Words: listid:community.lists.openmoko.org


I thought that was only for the body content. Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[ian douglas]

Lorn Potter wrote (on 2008-07-11 02:12pm):
 6. Installing QPK apps - Is this possible? I would like to run a 
 terminal (the Konsole port) and any other useful/cool apps. I don't know 
 how to go about this. I've copied some QPK files to the /home/root on 
 the device, but how can these be installed? Or can they?
 
 They need to be on a web server/feed.
 I will set up such a feed this week at qtopia.net


Hey Lorn, any luck on getting a web feed available for the QPK apps?
(and are there any available?)

Your site is inaccessible in the Denver area at the moment (2:15am
here), as I'm trying to find an actual server URL to place within
/home/root/Applications/packagemanager/ServersList.conf to download a
list of available apps. I remembered you saying you wanted to have
something up this past week so thought I'd check in.

Cheers,
Ian

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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Jonathan Spooner]

Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 Am Sa  19. Juli 2008 schrieb Tommi Kärkkäinen:
   
 Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) kirjoitti:
 
 But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need 
 proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder 
   
 technique.
   
 Is there a specific tolerance requirement for the capacitor?
 

 Nope
 /j
   
Could the capacitor be put in place using cold solder paste?

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Re: Hot Pocket

[Gilles Casse]

Christoph Czernohous wrote:
 Actually mine is a 1973 not a FR. I set the power-saving to dim first
 then lock and I do not experience random wake-ups.
 However, since this happens with the phone in a pocket, I an imagine
 the screen getting touched every now and then.
 
I also experienced this when the neo1973 was placed in a plastic bag 
(testing navit+speech+gps on motorbike).

Now, my neo hangs on a belt in a Covertec case (around 12cmx5cm). The 
case does not suit exactly the neo dimensions and was 'customized' a 
little bit.

I do not exactly remember the reference of the case, it belongs to this 
family of products:
http://www.covertecstore.com/en/t-pda/rp-sx234-01/luxury-leather-case-for-ipaq-200-214-black.html
 


Gilles

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Re: text mode web browser in 2007.2 ?

[Gilles Casse]

arne anka wrote:
 http://www.ginguppin.de/node/19
 
 built links the other day.
 

Hello,

Wouldn't it be better for such common softwares to refer to the Angstrom 
repository?

There is a note (which is perhaps obsolete today) at the end of this page:
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories

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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

[arne anka]

 When running an SD card install of Debian on the FR

you do? can you elaborate how to do that? i mean debian, not sd.

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Re: text mode web browser in 2007.2 ?

[arne anka]

 Wouldn't it be better for such common softwares to refer to the Angstrom
 repository?

yes, it would.
but as i wrote before -- i am pretty busy right now and for the  
foreseeable future fighting with the secrets of jlex and cup.
hitting enter for make build-package-foo and sending the ipk to my site is  
not a problem, but investigating how one would use those repositories and  
so on is not feasible atm.
but feel free to download the stuff and put it there.

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Re: Proper mixer settings for music playback, or hardware fixes?

[Timo Jyrinki]

2008/7/18 Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Just a guess here since I haven't even had a chance to look at these
 settings yet, but maybe the second frequency(after the @ symbol)
 represents the sample rate?  So depending on the sample rate you are
 playing, you can set a different bass frequency cutoff?

2008/7/18 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please refer to Wolfson WM8753 datasheet - link to be found on wiki

I checked the datasheet. Indeed it means sample rate, but one that
scales. There's a table specifying eg. that if you select 100Hz
cut-off @ 16kHz, it means that at 48kHz the cut-off is 300Hz. I guess
the names in alsamixer have been chosen according to even numbers, so
that they actually really scale from lowest setting to highest.

It's just that the scale seems to be opposite to reality, ie. the
highest cut-off frequency actually results in the lowest. Most
probably the setting I chose (200Hz @ 8kHz - 1200Hz @ 48kHz) actually
represents 130Hz @ 48kHz, and the one named as such (130Hz @ 48kHz) is
in reality that 1200Hz @ 48kHz since it sounds so thinny.

Problem solved, the cut-off is 130Hz which is quite high for
headphones but ok for portable speakers.

-Timo

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Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Annie]

what impact, if any, will there be on the warranty of the FR device
once the fix has been carried out ?

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Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

2008/7/19 Tobias Diedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Looking at the Freerunner connector, it looks like it's really a
 Mini-B Female connector instead of the Mini-AB Female connector as
 stated on
 http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware

 Can someone else confirm this?

Yes. See
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Package_Contents

HTH
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 anyone knows if the software patch which was done has any hooks in user
 space so the same procedure (shut off SD while getting FF) could be
 initiated manually (from a script or so)?

AFAIK, the patch doesn't work that way - ie there is no shut off SD
card while we do something else procedure. Instead the SD card is
shut off (ie. clock disabled) when it is idle.
So as long as you avoid reading from or writing to the SD card you
should be fine.

HTH
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Flyin_bbb8]

Did Ti (the modem / firmware supplier) respond to this issue steve?
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openmoko-qtopia Error Loading module

[michael irons]

I tried flashing my freerunner with the image
openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 from 07-20-2008 and After
booting it got to what looks like a desktop (with nothing on it)
except for the test or Loading Module. I assume the is error, but it
is off the left hand side of the screen.

I tried rolling back to the 7-18 openmoko-qtopia image and it works
fine, except I of coures up grade and upon rebooting I get the same
error.

So something is up with the 7-20 jffs2 image


I can still ssh into the freerunner although there is an error. DMESG
shows near the end:

Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized
Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.8
ASoC version 0.13.1
wm8753: WM8753 Audio Codec 0.16
asoc: WM8753 HiFi - s3c24xx-i2s mapping ok
asoc: WM8753 Voice - Bluetooth mapping ok
pcf50633 0-0073: PCF_TIME: 20.06.08 04:23:59
pcf50633 0-0073: RTC_TIME: 20.6.108 4:23:59
pcf50633 0-0073: RTC_TIME: 20.6.108 4:24:7
pcf50633 0-0073: PCF_TIME: 20.06.08 04:24:07
modem wakeup interrupt

and then stops


Any ideas?

Mike

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Re: openmoko-qtopia Error Loading module

[Ole Kliemann]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:53:53AM -0600, michael irons wrote:
 I tried flashing my freerunner with the image
 openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 from 07-20-2008 and After
 booting it got to what looks like a desktop (with nothing on it)
 except for the test or Loading Module. I assume the is error, but it
 is off the left hand side of the screen.
 
 I tried rolling back to the 7-18 openmoko-qtopia image and it works
 fine, except I of coures up grade and upon rebooting I get the same
 error.

I can confirm this.

 So something is up with the 7-20 jffs2 image
 
 
 I can still ssh into the freerunner although there is an error. DMESG
 shows near the end:
 
 Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized
 Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.8
 ASoC version 0.13.1
 wm8753: WM8753 Audio Codec 0.16
 asoc: WM8753 HiFi - s3c24xx-i2s mapping ok
 asoc: WM8753 Voice - Bluetooth mapping ok
 pcf50633 0-0073: PCF_TIME: 20.06.08 04:23:59
 pcf50633 0-0073: RTC_TIME: 20.6.108 4:23:59
 pcf50633 0-0073: RTC_TIME: 20.6.108 4:24:7
 pcf50633 0-0073: PCF_TIME: 20.06.08 04:24:07
 modem wakeup interrupt
 
 and then stops
 
 
 Any ideas?

I guess it's one of the enlightenment modules. But I'm not familiar with
anything of this, so I'm just rolling back and wait for the pros to
tackle it. ;)

It would still be interesting to know, where logs are stored. /var/log
is pretty empty. Where can one find logs to X, enlightenment, ... ?

Ole


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Re: VMWare Freerunner Flash

[Yorick Moko]

I can confirm this.
It works with vmware running on win xp sp3, but you have to have the
vm in focus when connecting the freerunner

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:26 PM, matt joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Johan Badenhorst wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I was just wondering if anyone has flashed their Freerunners using
 VMWare Player on Windows and if that would even be possible?
 Alternatively would it be possible to use colinux or a similar tool?
 I've been developing for Maemo using VMWare successfully because I am
 stuck without a linux machine at present.  The Internet Tablets have a
 Windows flashing tool though, so I've never had to attempt to flash
 from a virtual machine.

 If this isn't an option I'll use a live CD.

 Thanks for any response and good luck to all the other developers out
 there getting ready for the arrival of your freerunners

 e


 I don't have experience of VMWare with a Freerunner, but in my
 experience vmware (windows free version) usb devices can be problematic.
 It's been a while, but I think you need to have the vm in focus when you
 connect the device, and the device should be connect after the vm boots.
 Trivial to try, so please let us know what works.

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 05:03, Yaroslav Halchenko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 anyone knows if the software patch which was done has any hooks in user
 space so the same procedure (shut off SD while getting FF) could be
 initiated manually (from a script or so)?

The patch works like this:
When I/O to/from the SD - turn on clocking
when no I/O - turn the clocking off

so... do not use the SD card in any way (umount)

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g_ether as module

[Michael Kluge]

Hi,

would it be possible to get g_ether as module instead of beeing compiled 
into the kernel with the next update? This way we could set the MAC 
adress in /etc/modutils/...

The module can do things like:

options g_ether host_addr=46:0d:9e:67:69:eb dev_addr=46:0d:9e:67:69:ec



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Freerunner (850) available

[openmoko]

I happily ponied up the $400 each for the 1973 as well as the 
Freerunner, despite the fact that the 1973 is disappointing enough in 
that power issues make it useless as a day-to-day device.  The fact that 
there are at least one confirmed (GPS vs SD) hardware bug, with 
suspected more (sound echo/buzzing possibly being a problem with the 
case) gives me very good cause to worry that I've purchased another 
dust-collector.

I've been attempting for the latter half of the week to contact 
Openmoko.com to arrange for a return of the reportedly defective 
Freerunner that arrived Monday.  So far I've had no response, but will 
keep trying.  In the meantime, if someone else out there would like to 
acquire the sold-out device, please let me know off-list.  (As an added 
bonus, I can throw in an ATT prepaid sim with quite a bit of time left 
on it.)


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Re: Freerunner (850) available

[Michele Renda]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I happily ponied up the $400 each for the 1973 as well as the 
 Freerunner, despite the fact that the 1973 is disappointing enough in 
 that power issues make it useless as a day-to-day device.
I think is very good for who live in Europe because as a private, there
will be the possibility to avoid dougane taxes (but I am not very sure)
 The fact that
 there are at least one confirmed (GPS vs SD) hardware bug, with 
 suspected more (sound echo/buzzing possibly being a problem with the 
 case) gives me very good cause to worry that I've purchased another 
 dust-collector.

Hello,
I don't think you bought a dust collector, because the problem  GPS vs
SD was fixed very well by software (and you can't imagine how many hw
bug are fixed with software patch in the mobile market).
But if you want to be very obsesseded by hw bug, you can always fixed
with a capacitor.

About the sound echo / buzzing I can say nothing, but I think they are
software relate
 
 I've been attempting for the latter half of the week to contact 
 Openmoko.com to arrange for a return of the reportedly defective 
 Freerunner that arrived Monday.  So far I've had no response, but will 
 keep trying.  In the meantime, if someone else out there would like to 
 acquire the sold-out device, please let me know off-list.  (As an added 
 bonus, I can throw in an ATT prepaid sim with quite a bit of time left 
 on it.)

Good sell!
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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Scott Derrick]

If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have to 
have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from sleep 
and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the decision. Not sure 
what that will do to battery life.


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Re: g_ether as module

[arne anka]

not sure, where g_ether comes into the picture, but what's wrong with  
ifconfig?

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Special Letters?

[Ole Holm Frandsen]

Hey Everybody

I have been thinking of buying this new Neo Freerunner.  I come from  
Denmark and therefore when i want to write a SMS etc. I have to be  
able to use some national/special letters like æ,ø,å.  I know that  
these kind of special symbols/letters are currently not supported by  
openmoko´s keyboard. Does anyone know if it in the feature will be  
possible to translate the phone and make such kind of letters on the  
freerunner (openmoko)? (I believe that it is the same problem for  
other Scandinavians etc. )

Venlig Hilsen
Ole Holm Frandsen

Registeret GNU/Linux bruger: 417963





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Re: Special Letters?

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I think it will be very nice:

I live in Romania and when I have to write a sms I ofter I'd like to
have the letters: î â ţ ă ş

But I am italian so I often need to write sms in Itay and I need the
letters: à ú è é È ó

It will be nice to have something to fast switch the layout ofthe keyboard.

Michele Renda

Ole Holm Frandsen wrote:
 Hey Everybody
 
 I have been thinking of buying this new Neo Freerunner.  I come from  
 Denmark and therefore when i want to write a SMS etc. I have to be  
 able to use some national/special letters like æ,ø,å.  I know that  
 these kind of special symbols/letters are currently not supported by  
 openmoko´s keyboard. Does anyone know if it in the feature will be  
 possible to translate the phone and make such kind of letters on the  
 freerunner (openmoko)? (I believe that it is the same problem for  
 other Scandinavians etc. )
 
 Venlig Hilsen
 Ole Holm Frandsen
 
 Registeret GNU/Linux bruger: 417963
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Screen locking while in conversation

[shawn sullivan]

What about those phone calls where you have to enter DTMF codes (ie, 
press buttons on the phone)?

I think the current design works, but there should be a mechanism to 
keep from hanging up with your ears. I guess some people were having 
that issue. Not me, my ears are fine (:

. . .shawn

papa-piet wrote:
 I would completely power off the screen, just to save power and power it
 on after AUX- or power-button was pressed.
 
 Peter K.
 http://freeyourphone.de
 
 
 Olivier Berger schrieb:
 Jisakiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What about leaving most of the screen without actions, and the
 hangup / hold / speaker buttons in the bottom of the screen? It's
 the part less probable to be touched by funny ears, and that way you
 can still use it fine...

 And what about using the phone's buttons to do that instead of the
 screen... no ear would be shaped so bizare as to press the buttons ;)

 My 2 cents,

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Re: Special Letters?

[arne anka]

 freerunner (openmoko)? (I believe that it is the same problem for
 other Scandinavians etc. )

since it is a problem of nearly everybody speaking (or rather writing) a  
latin alphabet based language other than english, it will work some day in  
a hopefully not too far future.
sadly enough i currently have no clue what causes the lack of anything  
non-ascii, would have expected he fr to be unicode driven.

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[matt joyce]

Scott Derrick wrote:
 If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have 
 to have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from 
 sleep and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the decision. 
 Not sure what that will do to battery life.

 Scot

That's a valid point.
However, if a GPS dependant rule cannot get a fix (because it's off) in 
a timely fashion, the rule fails.

It may be possible to use GSM call towers to give a good enough location 
for these rules.

Looking at this rule again :
'If it can be reliably established that my physical location is one of 
my favourite restaurants please switch my phone to vibrate, unless my 
babysitter calls.'

'reliably' is the operative word here, and I may consider GSM based 
location, reliable.
If a profile switching approach is taken, we could switch to the 
vibrate with exceptions' profile and shutdown GPS.

On the other hand, if always-on GPS is what's needed, then future models 
will have to address the power requirements.
Or, perhaps a case mod for larger batteries is required.

Presumably geo-mappers have this problem already.

Matt

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Roland Mas]

Scott Derrick, 2008-07-20 06:45:44 -0600 :

 If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have
 to have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from
 sleep and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the
 decision. Not sure what that will do to battery life.

  You could approximate with the GSM cell identifiers.

Roland.
-- 
Roland Mas

Et c'est tellement plus mignon de se faire traiter de con en chanson...
  -- in En chantant (Michel Sardou)

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Re: Special Letters?

[Roland Mas]

arne anka, 2008-07-20 16:01:34 +0200 :

 sadly enough i currently have no clue what causes the lack of
 anything non-ascii, would have expected he fr to be unicode driven.

I think it is Unicode driven.  My contacts have some non-ascii
characters in their names, and they display just fine.  I guess the
problem is mostly the input method.

Roland.
-- 
Roland Mas

Bee There Orr Bee A Rectangular Thyng!
  -- in Soul Music (Terry Pratchett)

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[arne anka]

 It may be possible to use GSM call towers to give a good enough location
 for these rules.

a gsm cell is usually much bigger than most restaurants -- and gps might  
not be available inhouse.
btw: a rule that analyses calendar entries and depending of the character  
of the appointment disables ringing might be sensible.
thus i only have to select the importance/category of the appointment and  
not to worry about forgetting to disable the phone.

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Re: g_ether as module

[Michael Kluge]

it does not let me change the MAC. It always says: resource busy.

Michael

arne anka schrieb:
 not sure, where g_ether comes into the picture, but what's wrong with  
 ifconfig?
 
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Re: g_ether as module

[arne anka]

 it does not let me change the MAC. It always says: resource busy.

you need to shut down the interface before.

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Re: g_ether as module

[Michael Kluge]

Well, sounds reasonably :) I'll try again and call ifconfig from pre-up 
in /etc/network/interfaces.


Michael

arne anka schrieb:
 it does not let me change the MAC. It always says: resource busy.
 
 you need to shut down the interface before.
 
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Re: g_ether as module

[Michael Kluge]

OK, thanks.

iface usb0 inet static
 pre-up ifconfig usb0 hw ether 6E:A3:B3:D1:4E:24
 address 192.168.0.202
...


Works now.


Michael

Michael Kluge schrieb:
 Well, sounds reasonably :) I'll try again and call ifconfig from pre-up 
 in /etc/network/interfaces.
 
 
 Michael
 
 arne anka schrieb:
 it does not let me change the MAC. It always says: resource busy.
 you need to shut down the interface before.

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Re: g_ether as module

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Fwiw, it might still be desirable to move g_ether to a module, since then we 
can switch to other modes (storage) at runtime.

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Re: Special Letters?

[The Rasterman]

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:18:37 +0200 Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 arne anka, 2008-07-20 16:01:34 +0200 :
 
  sadly enough i currently have no clue what causes the lack of
  anything non-ascii, would have expected he fr to be unicode driven.
 
 I think it is Unicode driven.  My contacts have some non-ascii
 characters in their names, and they display just fine.  I guess the
 problem is mostly the input method.

in ASU (not in current .dev build though, but in SVN for illume) the keyboard
layout is customisable via a config file and can produce any keystroke that x
is capable of (so it can produce ä, ó, ñ, ø etc.) but i don't have a layout
that has every one of these in it currently, but it's a simple text file to put
in a directory (.kbd file). for now it has 3 layouts, simply letters-only
qwerty, numeric that covers the other keys (numbers, symbols) and a few
accented chars, and a full qwerty layout (ok it is missing F1-F12, Pause/Break
and PrtSc/SysRq but ... if u really want u can try cram them in somehow...). i
will add anther key layout for intl chars (accented ones etc.).

in the end i imagine people might do custom layouts for a language (eg german
would only have ä, ö, ü and ß). romainian some other set, danish another set.
etc. nice simple text files for everyone to enjoy :) this should allo for a
greek and russian layout too, katakana/hragana, hangul, thai, ... anything
really. but right now right-to-left languages wont work (well)
(arabic/farsi/hebrew). unfortunatly that is really near the bottom of my list...

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Re: Special Letters?

[Michele Renda]

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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 in the end i imagine people might do custom layouts for a language (eg german
 would only have ä, ö, ü and ß). romainian some other set, danish another set.

I think i can help we collect a series of layout to ship with Freerunner.

If we collect a person for every country we can provide a full set of
keyboard layout (we can see the key are available in our keyboard). They
are text file so them will not take too much space.
We need something to easily swith from a layout to the other (if it
doesn't exist yet).

Regards
Michele

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RE: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[steve]

We are working out the terms.

First step is to get the description of the modifiaction accurately
documented and tested. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C R McClenaghan
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue 

Tony,

Will OpenMoko offer this repair to Freerunner owners? How and under what
terms?

Chris

On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:

 Dear Community:

 For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a 
 hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post it late, 
 because we have to make sure this fix works and don't have side 
 effects.

 Here is the fix:

 http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf

 This fix could give almost same performance with SD card out of case.

 But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need 
 proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder 
 technique.

 We saw people ask about service issues of Openmoko devices, and we are 
 working on it. Our sales discussing with our distributor about proper 
 services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep update it.

 Thanks,

 Tony Tu

 Openmoko, Inc.

 Support

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

it is just that 'off while not active' seems to not explain why
Ville-Pekka Vainio reports effects of slow TTFF after suspend/resume
cycles... but let me just stop here -- I should just check out myself
instead of blurbing ;-)

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:

 Hello,

 On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  anyone knows if the software patch which was done has any hooks in user
  space so the same procedure (shut off SD while getting FF) could be
  initiated manually (from a script or so)?

 AFAIK, the patch doesn't work that way - ie there is no shut off SD
 card while we do something else procedure. Instead the SD card is
 shut off (ie. clock disabled) when it is idle.
 So as long as you avoid reading from or writing to the SD card you
 should be fine.

 HTH
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Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark
Student  Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT
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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

hm... or alter clocking pulse sufficiently for unstable SD performance
with some (or all) SDs... how could we know for sure unless verified
empirically...  (noone could guess that having SD impacts GPS for quite
a while, right?)

I am not yet planing to do this hw mod on my phone, thus I can't really
compare, and it would be great if anyone having such modded phone (I
guess OM people) do such a simple test (basic IO testing of SD card
similar to the ones which were posted to this list before).

NB It would be really pathetic if then after new 'fixed' units are
shipped, and new owners start complain that 50% of SD cards do not work
or get significant performance reduction, right? So why not to make sure
(I bet they already did smth like that thus it is just for someone from
OM give results with numbers)

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:

 This additional capacitor has been added between clock and GND for the 
 SD card. So it is most probably just there to filter frequencies higher 
 than the clock rate itself.

 Michael
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Re: Rules based policy engine

[David Pottage]

On Sun, July 20, 2008 3:28 pm, arne anka wrote:
 a gsm cell is usually much bigger than most restaurants -- and gps might
 not be available inhouse.

True, but you can still use the GSM cell to determine that you are not in
the restaurants, because you are in a different cell on the other side of
town. The rule interpreter could check he GSM cell ID to determine if you
might be near enough to a significant point before starting the GPS to
determine your exact location.

Alternatively, the user might decide that for most rules, the approximate
location from the GSM cell is good enough. For example, my local cinema is
in a fairly isolated spot out of town. If I am within a couple of miles of
it, the chances are I will be going to the cinema shortly, or I have just
left, so a rule switching the phone to silent mode if I am in the same GSM
cell as the cinema would be good enough.

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Re: g_ether as module

[Jay Vaughan]

 Fwiw, it might still be desirable to move g_ether to a module, since  
 then we
 can switch to other modes (storage) at runtime.


and don't forget g_audio and g_midi while we're at it ..

;
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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Timo Jyrinki wrote:
| Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new kernel
| and GPS when SD card is used?
|
| Yes, I just did some testing. The phone had been on for about 12 hours
maybe
| and had gone through multiple suspend-wakeup cycles. TTFF was around 10
| minutes. Then I switched off the phone and switched it back on, after
that
| TTFF was about 40 seconds.
|
| Now that I came back indoors, the phone still has a fix and with older
kernels
| it could not keep the fix if I went indoors. So it seems the software fix
| isn't perfect yet (it can't recover from suspend or something), but
if you
| always start fresh, it does work well.

Thanks for this report, I went and looked and found I didn't take care
of the case where last packet transferred was not a bulk read packet:
that what happens on resume.  I added a patch to stable branch that
should be out tomorrow hopefully and give the same SD_CLK performance
with or without resumes.

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missing Wlan icon in title

[Bastian Feder]

Hey folks,
I currently installed the latest image and rootfs from
(http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080720/; not
qtopia).
I installed it on an SD card. I soon realized that the WLan icon in
the title bar is missing - no matter if WLan is activated or not.

Any one an idea?

thx
Bastian

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Re: g_ether as module

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Michael Kluge wrote:
 OK, thanks.
 
 iface usb0 inet static
  pre-up ifconfig usb0 hw ether 6E:A3:B3:D1:4E:24
  address 192.168.0.202
   ...
 

You should be able to do:

iface usb0 inet static
  hwaddress ether 6E:A3:B3:D1:4E:24
  address 192.168.0.202
  ...

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Re: Import Contacts

[Jeffrey Ratcliffe]

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2008/7/16 C R McClenaghan :
 I get the following error using manage-contacts.py in the following
 way from SSH:

  python manage-contacts.py load
 [removed listing of first vcard entry]

 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File manage-contacts.py, line 92, in
 load_contacts ()
   File manage-contacts.py, line 61, in load_contacts
 ab.addContact (contacts [k])
   File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 140,
 in __call__
 **keywords)
   File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/connection.py, line
 607, in call_blocking
 message, timeout)
 dbus.exceptions.DBusException:
 org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method addContact with
 signature s on interface
 org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.addressbook.Book doesn't exist

I have the same problem, and additionally, the dump option runs
without error, but also without output.

Any ideas?

Regards

Jeff
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Re: USB Host Mode for Wifi Card - help!

[Brad Midgley]

Gino

 The card is recognized but the driver is super buggy. I've just finished
 compiling a new kernel doing away with the mac80211 version for the
 ieee80211 one. This 'should' resolve the issue with the card for me.

I'm curious... are you using an external adapter so you can get
monitor, master, etc modes?

I've looked without much success for a usb adapter that will do master mode.

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

[Ville-Pekka Vainio]

Andy Green wrote:
 Thanks for this report, I went and looked and found I didn't take care
 of the case where last packet transferred was not a bulk read packet:
 that what happens on resume.  I added a patch to stable branch that
 should be out tomorrow hopefully and give the same SD_CLK performance
 with or without resumes.

Thanks for fixing it. I'll test it more once the new kernel build hits the 
repos.


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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| When running an SD card install of Debian on the FR, using the
git.openmoko

First, WHOO I love the idea of another distro not coming out of Open
Embedded.  Please let us know how it's going or if you are sending out
any images for other folks to try.

| kernel... when i need the kernel headers to compile a module / driver
on the
| device, how can I do so?

I don't know if OE / OM generate a packaged one, but it's OK you can
take on generating them.

clone the Openmoko kernel git tree following instructions here

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary

~ cp defconfig-2.6.24 .config

then run the

~ ./build

script after setting your toolchain path in that script.

Making the kernel headers from a kernel tree is really simple, you just go

~ make ARCH=arm headers_install

and they can be found in ./usr/include

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Re: Proper mixer settings for music playback, or hardware fixes?

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am So  20. Juli 2008 schrieb Timo Jyrinki:
 2008/7/18 Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Just a guess here since I haven't even had a chance to look at these
  settings yet, but maybe the second frequency(after the @ symbol)
  represents the sample rate?  So depending on the sample rate you are
  playing, you can set a different bass frequency cutoff?
 
 2008/7/18 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Please refer to Wolfson WM8753 datasheet - link to be found on wiki
 
 I checked the datasheet. Indeed it means sample rate, but one that
 scales. There's a table specifying eg. that if you select 100Hz
 cut-off @ 16kHz, it means that at 48kHz the cut-off is 300Hz. I guess
 the names in alsamixer have been chosen according to even numbers, so
 that they actually really scale from lowest setting to highest.
 
 It's just that the scale seems to be opposite to reality, ie. the
 highest cut-off frequency actually results in the lowest. Most
 probably the setting I chose (200Hz @ 8kHz - 1200Hz @ 48kHz) actually
 represents 130Hz @ 48kHz, and the one named as such (130Hz @ 48kHz) is
 in reality that 1200Hz @ 48kHz since it sounds so thinny.
 
 Problem solved, the cut-off is 130Hz which is quite high for
 headphones but ok for portable speakers.

nah, this is +-3dB point - not exactly cutoff.
so if you select 130Hz @ 48kHz and try to boost bass frequencies you get poor 
results, as there is only a boost of frequency below 130Hz.
It's not reversed, it's just not cutoff frequency if you chose positive value 
for bass level.
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Re: USB Host Mode for Wifi Card - help!

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| When I boot the Neo, I execute the command: echo 1 
| /sys/devices/platform/neo-1973-pm-host.0/hostmode
|
| Once I run the above command viola – my powered USB comes to life
| (although there is also a light that comes on to inform me that the
| Freerunner is charging it... Which seems to somewhat defeat the purpose
| of a powered USB hub a little :/

There are two parts to host mode on Freerunner, logical and power.  You
have found the power one which enables 5V @ 500mA out of the USB socket
(so you don't need a battery hub).

What you're missing is the bit that sets logical host mode in the USB
peripheral in the CPU:

~ echo host  /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode

This makes it do the host thing down the USB socket and enumerate your
WLAN device, etc.

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Bug #1277 revisited

[Matthias Schulze]

Hi all,

from this report

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1277

I conclude accellerometer readings from from /dev/input/event2
and /dev/input/event3 should now work just fine.

However, even after flashing the latest kernel
(uImage-2.6.24+git21
+642cbda5f3b7e7a61512426e1d30a41ab4691123-r0-om-gta02.bin)

I only got a readout with hexdump /dev/input/event3, no readout with
hexdump /dev/input/event2. I stopped the xserver and got a readout with
on both events (2,3). After restarting the xserver I got a readout at
event2 none at event3, so it was the opposite way around.  

Well, I stopped the xserver again, and both events (2,3) gave a readout.
I started the xserver again and I got a readout at event3, none at
event2. So the behaviour switched again.

Well, what does it mean?








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RE: Web server on the phone?

[steve]

The end goal after FSO is complete is to make UI creation on the phone as
simple as web page
Creation.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:35 AM
To: community
Subject: Web server on the phone?

Basically all of my experience writing UIs is on the web.  I'd like to run a
webserver on the phone, so I can write dirt-simple UIs that way, rather than
getting tied up in GTK/e/Qt.

I see that there's a busybox server:

http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/busybox-httpd_1.11.0-r2_armv
4t.ipk

One might also consider thttpd:

http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/

Or shttpd:

http://shttpd.sourceforge.net/

I suspect any of them would be OK for serving static files.  However, I
wonder if CGI would be feasible.  I'm guessing that spawning a shell script
wouldn't be too hard, but I suspect that spinning up a whole python process
might be a bit much for the little arm CPU.  Anyone have any thoughts on
that?

Since I'm quite familiar with Django (http://www.djangoproject.com), I
thought I might just run the Django development server, which has a toy-ish
httpd server built in.  That way I'd already have python running, so I'd
avoid all the fork/exec/load-libraries overhead.

Not really sure where I'm going with this, just throwing out ideas to see if
anyone says yea or nay.

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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

[Joseph Reeves]

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian

?



2008/7/20 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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 Somebody in the thread at some point said:

 | When running an SD card install of Debian on the FR, using the
 git.openmoko

 First, WHOO I love the idea of another distro not coming out of Open
 Embedded.  Please let us know how it's going or if you are sending out
 any images for other folks to try.

 | kernel... when i need the kernel headers to compile a module / driver
 on the
 | device, how can I do so?

 I don't know if OE / OM generate a packaged one, but it's OK you can
 take on generating them.

 clone the Openmoko kernel git tree following instructions here

 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary

 ~ cp defconfig-2.6.24 .config

 then run the

 ~ ./build

 script after setting your toolchain path in that script.

 Making the kernel headers from a kernel tree is really simple, you just go

 ~ make ARCH=arm headers_install

 and they can be found in ./usr/include

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Re: Import Contacts

[Roland Mas]

C R McClenaghan, 2008-07-16 10:35:13 -0700 :

 All,

 I get the following error using manage-contacts.py in the following
 way from SSH:

   python manage-contacts.py load vCards.vcf

[...]

 dbus.exceptions.DBusException:
 org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method addContact with
 signature s on interface
 org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.addressbook.Book doesn't exist

 I have installed via opkg python-dbus per wiki instructions.

Strange.  It still works here.  You do have openmoko-contacts2
installed, right?  You're not using ASU or Qtopia or something?

Roland.
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Matchbox Keyboard Layout Change

[Alexander Syring]

Hi
I made an howto change matchbox layout 

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Change_keyboard_layout

have fun

regards
alex

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Re: Battery Lifetime

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the
| latest daily builds (2008-07-16 I think).  I have a theory.  I suspect
| bluetooth isn't really being turned off when I think it is any more.
| The factory image ran with a dimmed screen (no suspend) for a good 6
| hours and only drained to 64% according to asm.  The latest daily
| build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s).
| How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power?

There's two levels of supicion you can apply to check what's really
going on.  First there is a logical enable signal that is reported by

cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on

This would report 0 if the BT stuff was logically off.

If it still doesn't satisfy the suspicion, you can quite directly check
if it is being given power by the PMU.

cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs

will (after a little pause while it grabs them) dump the whole PMU
register state.  BT is powered off LDO4, it means registers 0x33 and
0x34 are interesting.  The LDO is powered if b0 of 0x34 is '1', it
should be disabled if it claims BT is off.

However, WLAN is much hungrier than BT.  Maybe it can be that?

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RE: $106 in Brokerage!!?!!?!

[steve]

 
Buy it from koolu in canada.

See our distributor page.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Cadieux
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:22 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: $106 in Brokerage!!?!!?!

Hi Steve,

Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada

Best Regards,
Ben Cadieux

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:47 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Where do you live?

  My total focus has been on signing up distributors in various 
 countries so that shipping And handling is less.



 -Original Message-
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 Subject: Re: $106 in Brokerage!!?!!?!

 Hi Everyone,

 Just figured I would reply again to this to update everyone.  I wasn't 
 home that first day they tried delivering it (and left a note 
 requesting $106 to be ready for when they come again)...

 The next day they came and said brokerage was $166, not $106 (moving 
 the brokerage fee from $58 to $118).  I sent them away, called around, 
 and got another broker to handle it.  It's going back to the border 
 for re-consignment and it'll be re-delivered to me.

 I can't tell you how angry I am at UPS.  I've had items shipped via 
 USPS before and brokerage was very reasonable.  If you guys can 
 switch, please do.

 Best Regards,
 Ben Cadieux

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Re: Import Contacts

[Roland Mas]

Jeffrey Ratcliffe, 2008-07-20 20:13:29 +0200 :

 I have the same problem, and additionally, the dump option runs
 without error, but also without output.

I just tried again, and I managed to get these symptoms when running
the script too soon after a boot.  The second run went on fine.  Maybe
something needs the daemon to be started, and it's not started
initially...

Roland.
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Re: Special Letters?

[doron]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:

 On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:18:37 +0200 Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

   
 arne anka, 2008-07-20 16:01:34 +0200 :

 
 sadly enough i currently have no clue what causes the lack of
 anything non-ascii, would have expected he fr to be unicode driven.
   
 I think it is Unicode driven.  My contacts have some non-ascii
 characters in their names, and they display just fine.  I guess the
 problem is mostly the input method.
 

 in ASU (not in current .dev build though, but in SVN for illume) the keyboard
 layout is customisable via a config file and can produce any keystroke that x
 is capable of (so it can produce ä, ó, ñ, ø etc.) but i don't have a layout
 that has every one of these in it currently, but it's a simple text file to 
 put
 in a directory (.kbd file). for now it has 3 layouts, simply letters-only
 qwerty, numeric that covers the other keys (numbers, symbols) and a few
 accented chars, and a full qwerty layout (ok it is missing F1-F12, Pause/Break
 and PrtSc/SysRq but ... if u really want u can try cram them in somehow...). i
 will add anther key layout for intl chars (accented ones etc.).

 in the end i imagine people might do custom layouts for a language (eg german
 would only have ä, ö, ü and ß). romainian some other set, danish another set.
 etc. nice simple text files for everyone to enjoy :) this should allo for a
 greek and russian layout too, katakana/hragana, hangul, thai, ... anything
 really. but right now right-to-left languages wont work (well)
 (arabic/farsi/hebrew). unfortunatly that is really near the bottom of my 
 list...

   
I am using the 2007.2 ( and the qtopia image, from SD card) image and I 
am using Hebrew in my FreeRunner (include right - to -left) read and write.

in the qtopia image I can read Hebrew SMS massages (right-to- left) but 
I didn't try to change / re-map the keyboard to Hebrew .

works fine for me.

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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian
|
| ?

Awesome, nobody ever mentioned this marvel... got to give this a try
tonight!

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RE: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[steve]

Ya jOERG,

 Micheal jump started my battery in about 2 seconds. It was a Young
Frankenstein momement!
 Without the sparks or pretty assistents. Anyways, my reanimated battery
still works fine.

 Anecdotal I know. 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:44 PM
To: Joerg Reisenweber
Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full
down



Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 Am Mi  16. Juli 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
 Joerg Reisenweber wrote:

 Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out.

 Joerg, can you explain this further?

 I've actually had excellent luck jump-starting the battery. I set my 
 adjustable power supply at about 4.5V and I connect it directly to 
 the battery terminals for just a second, then measure the voltage on 
 the battery. If the battery voltage is still zero, I repeat. Usually 
 after a few shocks the battery comes out of its internal under-voltage
protection.

 I understand that GTA01 batteries have no hysteresis and need just 
 one shock (in fact Werner said one electron I think) to come out 
 of under-voltage protection. I understand that GTA02 batteries have 
 hysteresis and require more coulombs injected before they will recover.
 
 I'm just suspicious a shock-reanimated battery holds enough power 
 (=voltage) to bring us over the boot gap, and won't activate 
 protection again just in no-time when we try to pull energy. That's 
 all. Of course you can shockstart battery out of protect-mode, no 
 doubt. But did you get a boot with such a bat?


I thought so, yes, but I'll check again to verify.

Michael

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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

[Joseph Reeves]

Josch won the community member of the month (week) in March for
getting it working:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Member_of_the_Week

Not that this really helps the OP, who seemingly knew about this already ;-)

Joseph



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Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

[Tobias Diedrich]

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 Hello,
 
 2008/7/19 Tobias Diedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Looking at the Freerunner connector, it looks like it's really a
  Mini-B Female connector instead of the Mini-AB Female connector as
  stated on
  http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
 
  Can someone else confirm this?
 
 Yes. See
 http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Package_Contents

Well, that doesn't contradict with a Mini-AB female connector though.
As it's name says a Mini-AB femal connector should accept both
Mini-A and Mini-B cables, which makes sense because Mini-B is used
for client mode and Mini-A for host mode and the Freerunner supports
both.

The wrong connector means that an 'offical' USB-OTG cable like
http://www.amazon.de/Hama-00074214-OTG-Kabeladapter-Mini-USB-A-Stecker-USB-A-Kupplung/dp/B000EORX7U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=ce-deqid=1216581564sr=8-1
can't be used unfortunately...

And I can't find a USB-A receptacle to Mini-USB-A plug cable on amazon. :/
Only this plug-adapter (maybe, it does not explicitly state A or B
AFAICS), which will work I guess, but I'd rather like a cable.
http://www.amazon.de/Adapter-BUCHSE-Stecker-Verl%C3%A4ngerung-Anschluss/dp/B001372BVA/ref=sr_1_44?ie=UTF8s=ce-deqid=1216581654sr=8-44
Seems like I'll have to cannibalize the Hama cable. ^_^;

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Re: Import Contacts

[Jeffrey Ratcliffe]

2008/7/20 Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I just tried again, and I managed to get these symptoms when running
 the script too soon after a boot.  The second run went on fine.  Maybe
 something needs the daemon to be started, and it's not started
 initially...

OK. A reboot got this working.

Does this mean the dbus daemon has to be restarted between changes
file-side/GUI-side and your script?

I started out by making the mistake of copying my Evolution db across...

I'll do some testing.

Presumably people have started thinking about syncing Thunderbird and
Evolution with OM?

Jeff

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Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers

[arne anka]

 Awesome, nobody ever mentioned this marvel... got to give this a try
 tonight!

let us know how it turned out!

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Re: Matchbox Keyboard Layout Change

[arne anka]

hi, the xml you posted to the wiki was not well formed.
i fixed it but since i lost my wiki password, i can't update the page.
i append the xml here -- maybe someone puts it in there (hope, it gets not  
distorted ...).

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
keyboard
options
/options
  layout id=german keyboard
  row
space width=500 extended=true/
key fill=true
  default display=Esc action=escape /
/key
key
  default display=^ /
  shifted display=° /
/key
key
  default display=1 /
  shifted display=! /
/key
key
  default display=2 /
  shifted display='' /
  mod1display=² /
/key
key
  default display=3 /
  shifted display=§ /
  mod1display=³ /
/key
key
  default display=4 /
  shifted display=$ /
/key
key
  default display=5 /
  shifted display=% /
/key
key
  default display=6 /
  shifted display=amp; /
/key
key
  default display=7 /
  shifted display=/ /
  mod1display={ /
/key
key
  default display=8 /
  shifted display=( /
  mod1display=[ /
/key
key
  default display=9 /
  shifted display=) /
  mod1display=] /
/key
key
  default display=0 /
  shifted display== /
  mod1display=} /
/key
key
  default display=? /
  shifted display=ß /
  mod1display=\ /
/key
key
  default display=' /
  shifted display= /
/key
   key fill=true
 default display=⌫ action=backspace/
/key
space width=500 extended=true/
key width=4000  extended=true
  default display=Home action=home/
/key
key width=4000  extended=true
  default display=PgUp action=pageup/
/key
space width=500 extended=true/
  /row
  row
space width=500 extended=true/
key fill=true
  default display=↹ action=tab/
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=q /
  shifted display=Q /
  mod1display=@ /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=w /
  shifted display=W /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  mod1 display=€ /
  defaultdisplay=e /
  shifted display=E /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=r /
  shifted display=R /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=t /
  shifted display=T /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=z /
  shifted display=Z /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=u /
  shifted display=U /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=i /
  shifted display=I /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=o /
  shifted display=O /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=p /
  shifted display=P /
/key
key
  default display=ü /
  shifted display=Ü /
/key
key
  default display=+ /
  shifted display=* /
  mod1display=~ /
/key
key fill=true
  default display=⌫ action=return/
/key
space width=500 extended=true/
key width=4000  extended=true
 default display=End action=end/
/key
key width=4000  extended=true
  default display=PgDn action=pagedown/
/key
space width=500 extended=true/
  /row
  row
space width=500 extended=true/
key fill=true
  default display=Caps action=modifier:caps/
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=a /
  shifted display=A /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=s /
  shifted display=S /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=d /
  shifted display=D /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=f /
  shifted display=F /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=g /
  shifted display=G /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=h /
  shifted display=H /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=j /
  shifted display=J /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=k /
  shifted display=K /
/key
key obey-caps='true'
  default display=l /
  shifted display=L /
/key
key
  default display=ö /
  shifted display=Ö /
/key
key
  default display=ä /
  shifted display=Ä /
/key
key
  default display=# /
  shifted display=' /
/key
key fill=true
  default display=◀┛ action=return/
/key
space width=500 extended=true/
space width=4000  extended=true /
space width=4000  extended=true /
space width=500 extended=true/
  /row
  

Re: Rogers SIM (Canada) causing crash on Dialer

[Kalle Happonen]

Sparrow wrote:
 Hi Folks, 

 I have an issue with a rogers (Canada) SIM card crashing the
 dialer application when a call is started.  After hitting dial on the
 dialer app the screen moves cuts over to the out going call screen and
 then the dial crashes.  I have tried another SIM from a friend's 1st gen
 iPhone and it works without issue.  This SIM does work in several other
 phones without issue.  Where should I start to debug this issue?  
 Thanks for your time and help. 

   
My Swiss Orange card shows the same symptoms, but only intermittently. 
Much of the time, I can call and receive calls. Sometimes after a the 
phone has been on for a while the dialer crashes when I try to call, or 
dialer looks like it's dialing, but nothing happens. When this happens I 
can't receive calls or sms's either. A reboot solves the problem. Any 
idea where to start debugging? I run the latest scaredycat (as of last 
thursday). I have also had dialing/receiving problems when I tested ASU.

Cheers,
Kalle Happonen


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Re: Proper mixer settings for music playback, or hardware fixes?

[Timo Jyrinki]

2008/7/20 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 nah, this is +-3dB point - not exactly cutoff.
 so if you select 130Hz @ 48kHz and try to boost bass frequencies you get poor
 results, as there is only a boost of frequency below 130Hz.
 It's not reversed, it's just not cutoff frequency if you chose positive value
 for bass level.

Hah, right, I mixed up filtering as such with the cutoff frequency of
bass boosting. And probably this is related to the mentioned high-pass
filter effect of the talked resistor which is why the boosting is
required in the first place to counter that. Too many mixer settings,
and definitely not an audiophile's dream :)

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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Awesome, nobody ever mentioned this marvel... got to give this a try
| tonight!
|
| let us know how it turned out!

Well there is good and bad news, good news is thanks to Mike Montour
ext3 SD boot in U-Boot works fine now, and again thanks to him updated
U-Boot packages including this and all our git patches will be available
in the next day or two.

You just do the usual mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdX1 on the SD Card, untar the
rootfs and also copy a uImage.bin from a current kernel on there in /.

You can boot it from U-Boot with this

setenv bootcmd mmcinit \; ext2load mmc 1 0x3200 uImage.bin \; setenv
bootargs \${mtdparts} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1
console=ttySAC2,115200 loglevel=4 ro \; bootm 0x3200 ; boot

That's very nice to see, previously we had to use a little FAT partition
at the start so U-Boot could get the kernel.

However, the Debian rootfs didn't work right away, it mounted the ext3
rootfs and ran init, but complained unable to open an initial console,
I think this is an insufficiently populated /dev so I will meddle on a bit.

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Re: Alternative stylus - Group Buy

[Kelvie Wong]

On Saturday, July 19, 2008 17:43:49 Steven ** wrote:
 Yup, Paypal is fine if it comes from a bank account (not from a credit
 card).

 You make 3 in the group.  Anyone else want in?

 -Steven


I'll take a couple.  I am in Canada, though.

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where is bluez-utils-alsa?

[Steven King]

I'm trying to get a2dp going by following the instructions at 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth but I get the error

ALSA lib pcm.c:2106:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared 
library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so

and libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so seems to be in bluez-utils-alsa, but I 
cant find that package...

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RE: Web server on the phone?

[Alexander Lehner]

I was also using HTML as a GUI frontend for some application. Some time 
ago I extracted the WebServer into a single project, here (written in 
c++):
http://sourceforge.net/projects/webgui-cpp/
There is no CGI, PHP or whatever, all handling is done inside 
extendable callback functions.

The most noteable feature is, that all html pages are compiled into the 
executable. There's some functionality to make html pages dynamic (kind 
of what php does). No further dependencies on other libs, plain c++ code.

This is for sure not usable for official software releases but probably 
helpful for a quick and dirty UI.


Alex.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, steve wrote:

 The end goal after FSO is complete is to make UI creation on the phone as
 simple as web page
 Creation.



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 Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:35 AM
 To: community
 Subject: Web server on the phone?

 Basically all of my experience writing UIs is on the web.  I'd like to run a
 webserver on the phone, so I can write dirt-simple UIs that way, rather than
 getting tied up in GTK/e/Qt.

 I see that there's a busybox server:

 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/busybox-httpd_1.11.0-r2_armv
 4t.ipk

 One might also consider thttpd:

 http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/

 Or shttpd:

 http://shttpd.sourceforge.net/

 I suspect any of them would be OK for serving static files.  However, I
 wonder if CGI would be feasible.  I'm guessing that spawning a shell script
 wouldn't be too hard, but I suspect that spinning up a whole python process
 might be a bit much for the little arm CPU.  Anyone have any thoughts on
 that?

 Since I'm quite familiar with Django (http://www.djangoproject.com), I
 thought I might just run the Django development server, which has a toy-ish
 httpd server built in.  That way I'd already have python running, so I'd
 avoid all the fork/exec/load-libraries overhead.

 Not really sure where I'm going with this, just throwing out ideas to see if
 anyone says yea or nay.

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Re: Battery Lifetime

[Flyin_bbb8]

what's the hungriest of all? or if we can have a list of all the hungry
stuff in the FR sorted from the one starving to the one who needs a snack?
:)

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 | I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the
 | latest daily builds (2008-07-16 I think).  I have a theory.  I suspect
 | bluetooth isn't really being turned off when I think it is any more.
 | The factory image ran with a dimmed screen (no suspend) for a good 6
 | hours and only drained to 64% according to asm.  The latest daily
 | build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s).
 | How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power?

 There's two levels of supicion you can apply to check what's really
 going on.  First there is a logical enable signal that is reported by

 cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on

 This would report 0 if the BT stuff was logically off.

 If it still doesn't satisfy the suspicion, you can quite directly check
 if it is being given power by the PMU.

 cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs

 will (after a little pause while it grabs them) dump the whole PMU
 register state.  BT is powered off LDO4, it means registers 0x33 and
 0x34 are interesting.  The LDO is powered if b0 of 0x34 is '1', it
 should be disabled if it claims BT is off.

 However, WLAN is much hungrier than BT.  Maybe it can be that?

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Re: community Digest, Vol 88, Issue 164

[david pais]

is this phone usable for daily light phone use (about 30-60 min/ day) or have 
the audio problems not been solved?


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1. Re: Import Contacts (Roland Mas)
2. Re: Special Letters? (doron)
3. Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers (Andy Green)
4. RE: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after
 batterie was
   full down (steve)
5. Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers (Joseph Reeves)
6. RE: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld,
 August
   4-7,in SanFrancisco? (steve)
7. Re: USB connector not Mini-AB? (Tobias Diedrich)
8. Re: Import Contacts (Jeffrey Ratcliffe)
9. Re: Another Question - Kernel Headers (arne
 anka)Jeffrey Ratcliffe, 2008-07-20 20:13:29 +0200 :
 
  I have the same problem, and additionally, the dump
 option runs
  without error, but also without output.
 
 I just tried again, and I managed to get these symptoms
 when running
 the script too soon after a boot.  The second run went on
 fine.  Maybe
 something needs the daemon to be started, and it's not
 started
 initially...
 
 Roland.
 -- 
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 Au royaume des aveugles, il y a des borgnes à ne pas
 dépasser.
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 (Maëster)Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 
  On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:18:37 +0200 Roland Mas
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 

  arne anka, 2008-07-20 16:01:34 +0200 :
 
  
  sadly enough i currently have no clue what
 causes the lack of
  anything non-ascii, would have expected he fr
 to be unicode driven.

  I think it is Unicode driven.  My contacts have
 some non-ascii
  characters in their names, and they display just
 fine.  I guess the
  problem is mostly the input method.
  
 
  in ASU (not in current .dev build though, but in SVN
 for illume) the keyboard
  layout is customisable via a config file and can
 produce any keystroke that x
  is capable of (so it can produce ä, ó, ñ, ø etc.)
 but i don't have a layout
  that has every one of these in it currently, but
 it's a simple text file to put
  in a directory (.kbd file). for now it has 3 layouts,
 simply letters-only
  qwerty, numeric that covers the other keys
 (numbers, symbols) and a few
  accented chars, and a full qwerty layout (ok it is
 missing F1-F12, Pause/Break
  and PrtSc/SysRq but ... if u really want u can try
 cram them in somehow...). i
  will add anther key layout for intl chars
 (accented ones etc.).
 
  in the end i imagine people might do custom layouts
 for a language (eg german
  would only have ä, ö, ü and ß). romainian some
 other set, danish another set.
  etc. nice simple text files for everyone to enjoy :)
 this should allo for a
  greek and russian layout too, katakana/hragana,
 hangul, thai, ... anything
  really. but right now right-to-left languages wont
 work (well)
  (arabic/farsi/hebrew). unfortunatly that is really
 near the bottom of my list...
 

 I am using the 2007.2 ( and the qtopia image, from SD card)
 image and I 
 am using Hebrew in my FreeRunner (include right - to -left)
 read and write.
 
 in the qtopia image I can read Hebrew SMS massages
 (right-to- left) but 
 I didn't try to change / re-map the keyboard to Hebrew
 .
 
 works fine for me.
 
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 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian
 |
 | ?
 
 Awesome, nobody ever mentioned this marvel... got to give
 this a try
 tonight!
 
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  Micheal jump started my battery in about 2 seconds. It was
 a Young
 Frankenstein momement!
  Without the sparks or pretty assistents. Anyways, my
 reanimated battery
 still works fine.
 
  Anecdotal I know. 
 
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 Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after
 batterie was full
 down
 
 
 
 Joerg 

Re: Rules based policy engine

[Scott Derrick]

I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS engine 
get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame and use the 
last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close enough.


Scott

matt joyce wrote:

Scott Derrick wrote:
If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have 
to have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from 
sleep and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the decision. 
Not sure what that will do to battery life.


Scot


That's a valid point.
However, if a GPS dependant rule cannot get a fix (because it's off) in 
a timely fashion, the rule fails.


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Re: Rules based policy engine

[matt joyce]

Or, perhaps use GSM triangulation to trigger GSP fix acquisition.


Scott Derrick wrote:
 I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS 
 engine get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame 
 and use the last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close 
 enough.

 Scott

 matt joyce wrote:
 Scott Derrick wrote:
 If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have 
 to have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from 
 sleep and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the decision. 
 Not sure what that will do to battery life.

 Scot

 That's a valid point.
 However, if a GPS dependant rule cannot get a fix (because it's off) 
 in a timely fashion, the rule fails.

 

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USB numeric keyboard as full character keyboard

[Tomasz Czapiewski]

Is it possible to use with Neo FreeRunner USB numeric keyboard for 
notebooks simmilar to these:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/NUMERIC-USB-KEYPAD-LAPTOP-NOTEBOOK/dp/B000P158OM/ref=pd_bxgy_ce_img_a
http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-NumKey-Numeric-Key-Pad/dp/3293009948/ref=pd_sbs_ce_3

The idea to use it is simmilar to phone's numeric keyboard when writing 
SMS etc. but it's just a simple numeric keyboard.

I've just get notebook accessories case with such thing and I'm planning 
to use it with Neo FreeRunner when I'll buy this linux phone/PDA 
(with group buy next week).

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[matt joyce]

arne anka wrote:
 It may be possible to use GSM call towers to give a good enough location
 for these rules.
 

 a gsm cell is usually much bigger than most restaurants -- and gps might  
 not be available inhouse.
 btw: a rule that analyses calendar entries and depending of the character  
 of the appointment disables ringing might be sensible.
 thus i only have to select the importance/category of the appointment and  
 not to worry about forgetting to disable the phone.

   

I agree.
An extensible rules system which others developers can hook into would 
allow for this.
The user might just select a phone profile (Do not disturb, except...) 
when they set her calendar appointment, and a rule can be generated, 
without the users becoming a programmer.
A rule might exist, set profile whenever I meet with this contact, and 
the profile is auto-selected when the appointment is made.

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RE: BAY AREA OM FANS

[steve]

Adilson,

  We have two booths. The main booth and the garage. 

  If one of my distributors wants to show up with phones to sell, I'll let
them sell at my booth.

  First come, first serve.

Steve 

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steve escreveu:
  Linux world is coming this August and Michael and I have a intresting 
 plan to Involve the community in the booths, give away free stuff ( 
 like debug boards and spares ), And make a movie about our community 
 members.
 
 So as we figure out the details we will tell you

Hi Steve.

I'll be at Linuxworld (I work for Canonical of Ubuntu Linux fame) and
helping run the booth. Are you having a booth there as well? If so, I'll be
glad to show up.
Any chance of having a few units for sale? I was trying to figure out how to
buy mine and if you have a 900 version there for sale that would be great.

[]s

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Scott Derrick]

Problem there is the rule based engine is trying to decide to answer the 
call, put it to voice mail, vibrate, ring loud, etc...  Waiting 30-60 
seconds for a cold start fix from the GPS is too long.


Scott

matt joyce wrote:

Or, perhaps use GSM triangulation to trigger GSP fix acquisition.


Scott Derrick wrote:
I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS 
engine get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame 
and use the last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close 
enough.


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Re: Not just a phone

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Re: Web server on the phone?

[Jay Vaughan]

 I was also using HTML as a GUI frontend for some application. Some  
 time

SVG rocks the GUI boat.

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Re: Issues / Quirks with SMS via GUI (Messages app)

[Matthew Lane]

Joachim Breitner wrote:
 Hi Matthew,

 Am Freitag, den 18.07.2008, 13:40 -0400 schrieb Matthew Lane:
   
 Second, this is more of a major issue but I am not sure if it's 
 carrier-related or a problem with the phone's Message software itself.  
 When attempting to send a text message, I cannot send a message to a 
 number formatted (123) 456-7890 (eg. how VCard inserts its numbers).  
 However, when I text a number in the format 1234567890 it works just 
 fine.  VCard importing prefers the (123) 456-7890 format unfortunately.
 

 I have filed a bug about this at
 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1643
 you might want to put yourself on the CC list. I hope that someone that
 knows enough about libgsmd and phone-kit can tell where the problem
 should be fixed.

 Greetings,
 Joachim
   
 

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Re: Ekiga for Openmoko, petition,

[Brad Pitcher]

andres wrote:
 I wrote an email to the Ekiga people asking them to provide
 a Openmoko compiled binary for it.
   
I agree, Ekiga would be nice.  I wrote to the gizmoproject people to see 
if they would recompile for openmoko.  They already have an armel 
version for nokia tablets, so they are close to having what we need for 
openmoko.
I actually tried out their gizmo5 midlet today and, although it's 
largely unusable, I actually made a phone call and sent an sms.  Way to 
go Jalimo guys!

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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| However, the Debian rootfs didn't work right away, it mounted the ext3
| rootfs and ran init, but complained unable to open an initial console,
| I think this is an insufficiently populated /dev so I will meddle on a
bit.

I followed the instructions more carefully and I can boot into Debian
runlevel 3 OK :-)  Very nice.  It's the real deal and it doesn't feel
that slow yet (runlevel 5 might be a different story).

The main thing missing from the instructions is you have to have an
internet route out from the phone to do it as it is currently set up.
The tarball they give you is just a skeleton that they upack packages
into before it is bootable.   I used the WLAN to give it the internet
access and it was fine.

This certainly shows a lot of promise!

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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

[Joseph Reeves]

Does it include Ekiga?

Joseph



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 | However, the Debian rootfs didn't work right away, it mounted the ext3
 | rootfs and ran init, but complained unable to open an initial console,
 | I think this is an insufficiently populated /dev so I will meddle on a
 bit.

 I followed the instructions more carefully and I can boot into Debian
 runlevel 3 OK :-)  Very nice.  It's the real deal and it doesn't feel
 that slow yet (runlevel 5 might be a different story).

 The main thing missing from the instructions is you have to have an
 internet route out from the phone to do it as it is currently set up.
 The tarball they give you is just a skeleton that they upack packages
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 This certainly shows a lot of promise!

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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

[Seattle Web Creations, LLC]

Yes that is correct.

The other problem is the /etc/pointercal ... I've yet to figure a way to
calibrate ts


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 Somebody in the thread at some point said:
 
 | However, the Debian rootfs didn't work right away, it mounted the ext3
 | rootfs and ran init, but complained unable to open an initial console,
 | I think this is an insufficiently populated /dev so I will meddle on a
 bit.
 
 I followed the instructions more carefully and I can boot into Debian
 runlevel 3 OK :-)  Very nice.  It's the real deal and it doesn't feel
 that slow yet (runlevel 5 might be a different story).
 
 The main thing missing from the instructions is you have to have an
 internet route out from the phone to do it as it is currently set up.
 The tarball they give you is just a skeleton that they upack packages
 into before it is bootable.   I used the WLAN to give it the internet
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 This certainly shows a lot of promise!
 
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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Yes that is correct.
|
| The other problem is the /etc/pointercal ... I've yet to figure a way to
| calibrate ts

Ah tslib has a ts_calibrate applet that spits the numbers out.  I should
think Debian has tslib...

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Re: Another Question / Ext3 SD and Debian on Freerunner

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| Does it include Ekiga?

The recipe includes just some basic packages, but because it includes
aptitude, which is basically yum (sorry, Fedora person), it means
you have pretty much the whole undiluted Debian package universe.  So I
would think it would include Ekiga.  And these packages are the real
deal, everything like ping for example is non-busybox with all the
trimmings.

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[C R McClenaghan]

Steve,

I'm either crazy or loosing my mind. I was sure that the FR was  
charging with the iGO and the A32 (Rev 1, subscript T) tip. I went to  
by another tip and got a A32 (Rev 2, subscript E) and while the FR  
recognized a connection (the usb symbol showed) it did not charge. I  
retired the other tip and same thing - usb symbol but no charge. I  
checked battery status with apm and it reported off line when the  
iGO was connected.

Which tip are you using? Did I blow something? The USB charge and wall  
charger both work, so I'm questioning now whether I ever really saw my  
FR charging, maybe just saw the usb icon and assumed it was.

Chris

On Jul 13, 2008, at 11:36 AM, steve wrote:

 I have the same iGO. Have used it without problem with my freerunner  
 for a
 long while


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C R  
 McClenaghan
 Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:44 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Cc: Brenda Wang
 Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02

 A general question related to car charging. I have an iGo charger  
 and many
 tips. One is a mini-usb tip. It seems to be charging my Neo okay.
 Is there an reason I shouldn't use this device? There is also an iGo  
 car
 charger that accepts the same tips. I'm not trying to push the brand  
 here,
 just wanting to know if this is an alternative charging mechanism and
 whether it is safe.

 Chris

 On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:35 PM, steve wrote:

 Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere.
 We need a better search on the wiki


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco
 Trevisan (Treviño)
 Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:01 PM
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02

 Andy Selby ha scritto:
 How do you enable 1A charging via software? The echo 'fast_cccv' 
 etc.. only seems to give me 500ma. Is there a sysfs interface to
 this, or does it have to be done by the kernel? This is for the Neo
 1973 by the way.

 I'm pretty sure the neo1973 cant charge with more than 500mA due to
 the hardware, nothing in software will fix that, I think the post  
 you
 quoted was about the freerunner.

 I read months ago that it should be able to charge at 1000mA too (if
 charger supports it).

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RE: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Whowants to test them?

[steve]

Hehe.

 I worked on the YF23

 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:11 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe -
Whowants to test them?



Claus Christmann wrote:
 Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Claus Christmann wrote:
 Hi list,

 I finally got around and converted the available Pro/E Wildfire 3 
 files into more generic IGES and STEP formats.

 You can find the links to the files on my (quickly drafted) website 
 at

 http://controls.ae.gatech.edu/claus/web/openmoko.html

 This said, I am not sure how the individual assemblies will work, 
 but at least now all the singe pieces are there...

 Happy CADing

 Claus

 P.S.: it is also much easier to mess around with possible private 
 DIY shielding add-ons in CAD... in real life there is no revert... 
 ;)

 P.P.S.: Once the files are confirmed to be working, my understanding 
 is that they could go to http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/, so 
 please let me know if the files work...
 Claus,

 The files are now copied to http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/, so 
 you can free up your space if you wish.

 I do not have the tools to verify them, but I did check the md5sum, 
 and they agreed with those on your website.

 Thanks very much for your hard work, and I look forward to seeing 
 what you do with the CAD files. I assume you are a CAD person by trade?

 Michael
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 actually I am an aerospace engineer by trade... But close.
 I am interested in the CAD stuff since I need all that in order to 
 engage in a private project (though related to my work): robotics.
 
 With an decent CPU, 2 Accelerometers, GPS, WiFi, GPRS, and high power 
 Bluetooth, I think of the OpenMoKo as an onboard computer that ALSO 
 could make calls...
 
 OT: By profession I am engaged in developing airborne avionics and the 
 related software for unmanned aerial vehicles... So lets see... Maybe 
 we
 *really* can make the OpenMoKo take off ;)
 
 Regards,
 
 Claus
 


ROTFL

Would be interesting to see what backgrounds our community comes from. 
My contention is that a wide range will feed innovation, more so than if we
were all in the cellphone business.

Michael

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Andy Green wrote:
| Thanks for this report, I went and looked and found I didn't take care
| of the case where last packet transferred was not a bulk read packet:
| that what happens on resume.  I added a patch to stable branch that
| should be out tomorrow hopefully and give the same SD_CLK performance
| with or without resumes.
|
| Thanks for fixing it. I'll test it more once the new kernel build hits
the
| repos.

Just a heads-up there is also another relevant patch on stable tonight.
~ It gives another interesting knob to twiddle about GPS performance.

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47

You can check if your kernel package has it tomorrow by looking for

~ cat /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive

if the file doesn't exist you don't have the patch in yet.

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Re: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in SanFrancisco?

[Jeffrey Malone]

I have an entirely free schedule, and free shuttles that take me from my
apartment in SF to the Trans-bay Terminal, a mere 3 blocks from Moscone.
I can commit to volunteering for any times needed, and I'm not a flake.

Jeffrey Malone
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On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:15 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The T shirts are planned, and I need to know how many debug boards and
 spares kits
 I need to pick up from Fremont to give away to volunteers.

 And pat needs firm commitments to build a schedule.



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:52 PM
 To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
 Subject: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Linuxworld, August 4-7, in
 SanFrancisco?

 Openmoko will be at Linuxworld, and needs to staff two booths: One in the
 main vendor area, and another in the Linux Garage.

 As we are a small understaffed team, we would love it if some of you could
 commit to helping us.

 If you are on this mailing list, you already know enough to answer the most
 common question: What is Openmoko?.

 As for more technical questions, don't worry - you already know a lot, and
 you can always defer questions to one of us.

 In return we plan some sort of appreciation, perhaps in the form of
 T-shirts
 or some other Openmoko swag, and you will be the proud owner of our undying
 gratitude :-) You will also be able to ask Steve all those difficult
 questions you've been saving up.

 It's also a great opportunity for us to get to know you, no matter how much
 or little time you can commit to helping.

 LinuxWorld is August 4-7, in San Francisco.

 Please let me know right away so that I can arrange for badges.

 Passes for the exhibit hall are free! Register at
 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register//SN335015

 If there is interest we will also hold a BoF session.

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Re: Rules based policy engine

[Matt Joyce]

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

What I meant was, if the rule engine/event broker has geo defendant rules,
it could use GSM towers to ascertain if a GPS fix is required.
This (or other checks, such as calendar, time) can happen prior to any
voice/message events occurring, gsmd would just check for blocking rules
(absence of) on event.

Matt

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Problem there is the rule based engine is trying to decide to answer the
 call, put it to voice mail, vibrate, ring loud, etc...  Waiting 30-60
 seconds for a cold start fix from the GPS is too long.

 Scott

 matt joyce wrote:

 Or, perhaps use GSM triangulation to trigger GSP fix acquisition.


 Scott Derrick wrote:

 I thought about it awhile and decided that you could have the GPS engine
 get a fix every 5 minutes or some user adjustable time frame and use the
 last known fix. 99% of the time it would probably be close enough.


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pre-flash backup fails

[Jim Morris]

I followed the directions here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup

I could backup the kernel of my GTA02 but trying to use that method to backup 
the rootfs failed 
several times

  dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
  This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

  Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
  Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
  Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0
  Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request...
  Resetting USB...
  Opening USB Device...
  Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=20, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs
  Claiming USB DFU Interface...
  Setting Alternate Setting ...
  Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
  dfuIDLE, continuing
  Transfer Size = 0x1000
  dfu_upload error -110

In demsg I get this error
  usb 5-2: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd dfu-util rqt 161 rq 2 len 4096 
ret -110

I have not been able to backup rootfs using this method.

I can flash OK though.

Any ideas?

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Re: BAY AREA OM FANS

[Adilson Oliveira]

steve escreveu:
 Adilson,
 
   We have two booths. The main booth and the garage. 
 
   If one of my distributors wants to show up with phones to sell, I'll let
 them sell at my booth.
 
   First come, first serve.
 


Cool.

I'll be showing up for sure and even try to help out the garage booth if
I got some time.
I hope the distributors are reading this ;)

[]s

Adilson.

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Re: dfu-util upload problems

[Kevin Squire]

 Hi,

 I have a little problem with dfu-util and my new Freerunner.

 I thought I'd make a backup of my Neo's filesystem before flashing new
 images onto it, so I tried to use dfu-util in upload mode to transfer
 the content of the Neo's flash to my desktop PC. Backing up the kernel
 partition works, but when I back up the rootfs partition dfu-util
 transfers about 247MB and then dies with dfu_upload error -84, while
 the phone immediately reboots. It always dies at the same position, but
 I'm not sure whether the backup is complete or not.

Just wanted to say that I'm having the same problem (and same
questions): I was able to upload 258076672 bytes (=246 Mb), but then
dfu-util dies with dfu_upload error -16, and the FreeRunner reboots.
This is on Mac OS X.

 Further details: I've tried it on my desktop and on my laptop PC, with
 Ubuntu 7.10, Ubuntu 8.04 and a grml live-cd, with various dfu-util
 binaries and one built from SVN, but the error appeared every time. The
 phone was hooked up directly to the host (no hub or something), U-Boot
 version on the phone is the originally installed 1.3.2-moko12 from May
 9.

 Any ideas what's wrong?

At least one other person (you?) has indicated a similar problem at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup.  Any ideas, anyone?

Thanks,

   Kevin

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Re: pre-flash backup fails

[Thomas B.]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 05:32:01PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote:
 I followed the directions here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup
 
 I could backup the kernel of my GTA02 but trying to use that method to backup 
 the rootfs failed 
 several times

I had similar problems (see [1]), although I got error -84 most of the
time instead of -110. Unfortunately, I never solved this problem.
After several unsuccessful tries and no feedback from the list I gave up
on this backup method.

Does anyone else have ideas?

Regards,
Thomas

[1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020707.html

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