Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Noah Romer wrote: William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed uImage is the kernel. You will need to re-flash a u-boot image to the u-boot partition. Try this one: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr50+dc633f4be2527f844158aa5085c278b0c3039d3f-r0.bin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image. I think you will need a debug board. Regard, Tick On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:19:51PM -0700, Noah Romer wrote: William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, End of write exceeds partition end. Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image? Thanks. -- Noah Romer | Knowledge is power. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available | Power corrupts. by finger or email | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Martin Šenkeřík [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe can help reflashing your u-boot with some actual version... Thanks for the suggestion. Haven't tried that, but instead, I changed u-boot env to add a new menu entry including init=/sbin/init. It went a bit further this time : kernel boots and I can see the booting splash screen (with boots and progress bar), although the X server wasn't started, I guess : I get a black screen. I updated the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Add_uboot_boot_entry to show an example menu with the init kernel arg. Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? I've just tried and install it like that on the SD's ext3 partition, and copied the kernel to the first partition (VFAT). But after booting, I'm stuck with a : Kernel panic - not syncing: No int found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Too bad :( I'll have to flash ? -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image. I think you will need a debug board. Regard, Tick Or just boot into NOR U-boot nand erase u-boot and flash a new U-boot in using dfu-utils? Is this not what the NOR u0boot is for? Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?
The files you need to edit are under /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards I believe there is a Full-QWERTY.kbd in there, just backup the Default.kbd and replace it with the Full-QWERTY.kbd mv Default.kbd Defaultbackup.kbd mv Full-QWERTY.kbd Default.kbd /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Some of the keys, arrows, return, tab, shift, backspace are invisible... not to hard to find them *hint* try holding your finger on the keyboard until it zooms in. Arne Zachlod wrote: Hello there! i like the new look of the freerunner, but what i don't like is the keyboard. is there a possibility to re-install a full qwerty KB or something like that? navigate in terminal with the standard-kb is terrible. thanks, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/full-keyboard-for-Om-2008.08--tp681538p682407.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Upgrading on Qtopia
Lorn Potter wrote: As well, there is a qtopia binary only tarball which has a script to update just qtopia in case you don't want to backup your settings. That worked great thanks. Is it safe to update the kernel to the latest version? or does the kernel need to match the qtopia image? Thanks -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SF User's Group - Meetup?
I definitely have an interest as well, and am on your list from the booth. There is a wiki page listing those interested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco I believe that page dates back to the 1973, but there are new additions and people still interested. Jeffrey Malone On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consulting Goat wrote: Hi - I'm new to OpenMoko (I don't even have a device yet) Personally I'm interested as an end-user; I know we're not there yet, but I'm fairly techie so I thought I'd jump in early. The company I work with is a supporter of OpenMoko and open source - and we have space to host user groups in San Francisco!Please respond on this list if you would be interested in a user's group meeting - maybe once every 1-2 months - here in SF? Fwiw - I was the person who was collecting names and addresses at the OpenMoko booth at LinuxExpo - so if you signed up there, you'll probably see another email from me. Do other local users groups set up a seperate email list for meetup announcements? Anyone got an extra mailman install to use for this purpose, so we don't have to resort to GoogleGroups? ;-) Take care, Greg +1 include me in the group (I'm in SF) I think we can and should host these lists. Let me check. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?
DooD wrote: The files you need to edit are under /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards I believe there is a Full-QWERTY.kbd in there, just backup the Default.kbd and replace it with the Full-QWERTY.kbd mv Default.kbd Defaultbackup.kbd mv Full-QWERTY.kbd Default.kbd /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart I tried this, but I still get the standard keyboard. Somewhere along the line I installed the illume package with the 'qwerty' icon. Maybe that has something to do with this? Also, I see this interesting comment in Default.kbd: # if the key out is in quotes - q for example, then this key is used for # typing words and can be part of a dictionary match, any other key when # pressed will end the dictionary match (u can disable dictionary # matching in # a layout by not having any outputs in quotes) So, that implies that if I can just get the system to recognize alternate kbd files, I can turn off dictionary matching, which would make me rather happy. Hmmm, waitaminnit, looking at the files in that directory, I don't think they control the standard 2008.08 keyboard. I'm talking about the one where you flick up/down to shift to other layouts. Sigh. I guess I'm still stuck with the irritating keyboard. What's it called? -- Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://otisbean.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: maps for others country?
Hi Alessio, Yes, Locations will automatically download maps from Open Street Maps. IF the backend found that it can access to the network. Therefore, you can create your own personal map, (even package for sharing). How? 1. Let Neo connect to the Internet. 2. Turn on Locations, 3. Zoom in to the location you are interested and drag around. 4. login to Neo 5. follows the instruction of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Locations#Create_Offline_Maps Last time I and some colleagues went to KenTin http://www.ktnp.gov.tw/ for holidays, we just create a map before departure, it's very interesting. If you are geek enough, you can even create maps using Google Maps, Yahoo Maps, ... for personal usage. (Please don't share non-share-able maps.) Cheers, Tick On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 07:32:58AM +0200, alessio chemeri wrote: hi there, i noticed that there is no map for italy for the app. locations, is possible to use the OSM maps? and need something to do? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Upgrading on Qtopia
Jim Morris wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: As well, there is a qtopia binary only tarball which has a script to update just qtopia in case you don't want to backup your settings. That worked great thanks. Is it safe to update the kernel to the latest version? or does the kernel need to match the qtopia image? Thanks Ok I upgraded the kernel to the version in the Qtopia package... uImage-2.6.24+git30+436204281bcd1fe5999ad6589ea7ab1b5360c352-r2-om-gta02.bin And now I don't have USB networking anymore. I guess this is the same problem as reported for the other dists. Is there a workaround (I updated using the script) other than reflashing and losing all my settings? and downloads etc. Is the workaround the same as for the other dists (either load the kernel with all drivers, or upgrade everything). Thanks -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide
Hi all! --- On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | This page is Official One. | | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner \-- I am trying to sync up with the updates in the above. It is now available in .txt, .ps, .pdf, .rtf, and .html formats. http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/293/qsug-august-5-2008.tar.gz Feedback welcome. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Upgrading on Qtopia
Jim Morris wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: As well, there is a qtopia binary only tarball which has a script to update just qtopia in case you don't want to backup your settings. That worked great thanks. Is it safe to update the kernel to the latest version? or does the kernel need to match the qtopia image? Thanks Ok I upgraded the kernel to the version in the Qtopia package... uImage-2.6.24+git30+436204281bcd1fe5999ad6589ea7ab1b5360c352-r2-om-gta02.bin And now I don't have USB networking anymore. I guess this is the same problem as reported for the other dists. Is there a workaround (I updated using the script) other than reflashing and losing all my settings? and downloads etc. Is the workaround the same as for the other dists (either load the kernel with all drivers, or upgrade everything). Thanks Ok so updating qtopia via the script is not a good idea if you also upgrade the kernel due to the missing usb ether modules, I recovered by flashin gthis kernel... http://warmcat.com/uImage-moredrivers-stable_507c3c1ba3921bb7.bin So now I have to figure out if it is safe to opkg upgrade with the latest qtopia, from what I read above maybe not so much. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution
Hi. I thought of moving my currently running (quite fine alhough the usual problems, i.e. I can place calls anyway) 2007.2 system to microSD, so that I could flash the new 2008.8 image and run it from flash (it seems I cannot manage to run it from SD, btw). Would you recommend a good procedure for moving my 2007.2 system to SD ? And would it run fine from SD too, once moved ? Thanks in advance. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: opkg: Could not obtain administrative lock (Om2008.8)
The graphical installer uses packagekit. This doesn't close when you close the installer. So if you want to use opkg after having used the installer, run killall packagekit first. Peter Op Saturday 09 August 2008 06:03:32 schreef Nathan Kinkade: Installed the Om2008.8 images announced today and so far I'm very impressed. I think this is probably good enough for me to start using the Freerunner as my daily mobile device. However, I just ran into a small issue that I thought I'd post here in case someone else runs across it. To test the graphical installer app, I launched it and installed something ... it worked nicely. I then went to a terminal to install something else but I was getting this message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock I then found this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td680875 I expected my problem to be the same, but it wasn't: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fuser /usr/lib/opkg/lock 1872 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ps up 1872 USER PID %CPU %MEMVSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1872 11.7 2.4 16732 2976 ?SLsl 19:25 9:07 /usr/bin/pulseaudio sniped I have no idea what pulseaudio was doing with opkg ... maybe updating itself or some component? Anyway, maybe this will help someone else. Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? Yes, I do. Initially, I had a running Qtopia on the said microsd (small vfat partition with uImage.bin, big ext2 one with rootfs expanded on it, the normal way if I guess). And it was booting fine. Then I just replaced the uImage by the one in yesterday's announcement, and I cleaned the rootfs and expanded the .tar.gz provided by I-don't-remember-who on the ML a few hours later. The first boot was somewhat messy, but it might be from my lack of experience with ASU (I started with suspending instead of closing apps, to give an example). From there, it worked fine for the hour or of testing I submited it to. I guess it won't help much, but hell... good luck with it. -- Olivier M. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Android
hi all. I'm not a system programmer. I've got system administration skills and Java developpement skills. I will certainly say lots of absurdities. Please correct me ... I'd love to make system developpement. But start point is not easy. I was thinking of following the LinuxFromScratch from start to create my own learning distribution on my Neo. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available (http://git.android.com/). As I understood, Android is similar to FSO : One framework and applications that rely on it. There is already lots of applications. And the SDK is really easy to use within Eclipse. (could'nt it be possible to make a SDK for OpenMoko under Eclipse to ease application developpement ?) If a group already exists that try to make Android running, please, let me know. Also, does somebody have informations on Android ? Maybe it's have already been checked and it's just a dream that is actually not possible ? I don't speak about making a full working android distribution, but if It could just start It would be great. then we could make things working step by step. The framework already exists, we just have to wire it to the hardware. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
Somebody already had a look into this: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Basically the problem is that android is compiled for ARMv5 whereas the neos have got an ARMv4 processor. Cheers, Markus On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 10:08 +0200, Mike Baroukh wrote: hi all. I'm not a system programmer. I've got system administration skills and Java developpement skills. I will certainly say lots of absurdities. Please correct me ... I'd love to make system developpement. But start point is not easy. I was thinking of following the LinuxFromScratch from start to create my own learning distribution on my Neo. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available (http://git.android.com/). As I understood, Android is similar to FSO : One framework and applications that rely on it. There is already lots of applications. And the SDK is really easy to use within Eclipse. (could'nt it be possible to make a SDK for OpenMoko under Eclipse to ease application developpement ?) If a group already exists that try to make Android running, please, let me know. Also, does somebody have informations on Android ? Maybe it's have already been checked and it's just a dream that is actually not possible ? I don't speak about making a full working android distribution, but if It could just start It would be great. then we could make things working step by step. The framework already exists, we just have to wire it to the hardware. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions
Dale Maggee wrote: Firstly, it's *gorgeous* - eyecandy city! I *really* like the look and feel of it! It's much more friendly and less 'clunky' feeling than 2007.2. Hmm.. let's just say I'm impressed by how good Qtopia on X11 actually performs. Some of the earlier snapshots were really slow, but this is acceptable. The graphical installer is great! I really like this, although I agree with the opinion stated elsewhere that the text is too big, and I'd really like to see the 'description' text on the package details screen, so that I know what the package is (names aren't always that informative). So you don't think it should be usable without a stylus? * keyboard - Predictive text is annoying as hell. Agreed. There seem to be some kind of interface nazism (to quote Thorvalds) going on. Apart from the predictive keyboard being *really* annoying - especially if you are typing URL's, shell commands or a non-english language!! then I don't understand this idea that there can't be a bring-up-the-keyboard button. (yes I know I can install a qwerty-button). For me the correct way is like qtopia: * Have a bring-up-the-keyboard button * Have change-input-method option * Have a set of different keyboards (multitap,full qwerty,handwriting,om2008-like) to toggle between. * Be able to turn predictive keyboard OFF ... and for goods sake... don't make a keyboard without a delete key. - I'd like to see letters on the numeric keypad screen. For example, the PIN on my sim card is a word typed using the numbers on my phone keypad, not a number - I have no idea what the numbers in my PIN are! in order to enter my pin using this numpad, I have to get out my nokia and look at it's keypad and then type in the numbers. Arhh... go write it down, then. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available
In an attempt to make it work (which failed btw) I installed these packages from the standard repos: -gsm0710mux -libgsmd -gsmd-plugins -libmokogsmd2-0 -qtopia-phone-x11-libgsm + all dependency's Since it still doesn't work, the question is if they are necessary to be able to use the openmoko as a phone. If they are not necessary, arn't they going to interfere with the packages that are used now to make phone calls? Peter Op Friday 08 August 2008 23:16:29 schreef Peter Mogensen: I flashed the new kernel and image but if I boot now I'm not getting asked for a pin. There's no gsm in 2008.8 for me... This seem to be a common problem. The PIN-dialog does come up once in a while though. Restarting the X-server can make it appear. But even though to enter the correct PIN and the dialog closes without error, there's no GMS available. Trying to talk AT to the modem manually doesn't seem to work either. It just hangs. I tried move the SIM to an old phone an it still works OK. Somehow the FreeRunner seemded to have disabled PIN on the SIM though, so I had to re-enable. Peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:08, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available (http://git.android.com/). Android is not yet published as open source. So this git repository must only contain the already open sourced parts (ie linux kernel used,...) Porting android should be possible, but only when its sources are released (should be when first android phones are available) As I understood, Android is similar to FSO : One framework and applications that rely on it. andoid is designed to use only applications developed specially for it. FSO is more opened allowing to use various linux apps. It brings a framework to ease integration of these, but you are not oblliged to develop specifically for it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?
I'm with you, Dirk. This qtopia keyboard just doesn't function right. And switching .kbd files does nothing. Flicking only toggles the different views of the keyboard, none of which contain the enter or arrow keys. (Since we're throwing out essential keys, why stop there? Let's remove some letters too. I nominate the letter E.) I reinstalled matchbox, and I see it trying to come on, but it immediately gets cock-blocked by the qtopia keyboard. If someone could please explain how to disable the qtopia keyboard, I (and many others) would be most appreciative. Dimitri Dirk Bergstrom-2 wrote: DooD wrote: The files you need to edit are under /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards I believe there is a Full-QWERTY.kbd in there, just backup the Default.kbd and replace it with the Full-QWERTY.kbd mv Default.kbd Defaultbackup.kbd mv Full-QWERTY.kbd Default.kbd /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart I tried this, but I still get the standard keyboard. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/full-keyboard-for-Om-2008.08--tp681538p682554.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Usable Keyboard
Hello everyone! I flashed OM2008.8 yesterday. It's really awesome what great software the developers created! Thank you all for this! But there are some small things I don't like on it: * I. E. there is no real home screen. * I cannot receive SMS - or lets say «not all SMS». * I'm still missing configuration tools * etc. But all this things aren't too bad and I know that they'll be fixed soon(er or later). There is only one thing that makes the Freerunner nearly unusable: The keyboard. With this crazy «dictionary-thing» I'm not able to write a message in (Swiss) German or any other language than English. Even a simple «Hallo» ends up in «Hello». And as long I'm not able to write a word that is not in the dictionary it's pretty useless for me. There are also keys missing to make it usable for the terminal. I think I am talking for a lot of people who want to have a _nice and usable_ keyboard - for any language and any app. The keyboard has to be finger friendly and not too small. It should contain all usual letters and special characters. I made a little mockup (it's no design masterpiece... ;-)) of a keyboard. I think something in this direction would be really cool: http://files.it-media.ch/om_keyboard_mockup.jpg (Modified Screenshot from the wiki) The buttons measure 40x40 Pixels. Unfortunately there is not too much space between them, so I have no idea how it would be to type on it. Does anyone got an idea how difficult it would be to create a keyboard _like this_? Thanks in advance. Regards, Tobias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:44:36 +0200 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello everyone! I flashed OM2008.8 yesterday. It's really awesome what great software the developers created! Thank you all for this! But there are some small things I don't like on it: * I. E. there is no real home screen. * I cannot receive SMS - or lets say «not all SMS». * I'm still missing configuration tools * etc. But all this things aren't too bad and I know that they'll be fixed soon(er or later). There is only one thing that makes the Freerunner nearly unusable: The keyboard. With this crazy «dictionary-thing» I'm not able to write a message in (Swiss) German or any other language than English. Even a simple «Hallo» ends up in «Hello». And as long I'm not able to write a word that is not in the dictionary it's pretty useless for me. There are also keys missing to make it usable for the terminal. I think I am talking for a lot of people who want to have a _nice and usable_ keyboard - for any language and any app. The keyboard has to be finger friendly and not too small. It should contain all usual letters and special characters. I made a little mockup (it's no design masterpiece... ;-)) of a keyboard. I think something in this direction would be really cool: http://files.it-media.ch/om_keyboard_mockup.jpg (Modified Screenshot from the wiki) The buttons measure 40x40 Pixels. Unfortunately there is not too much space between them, so I have no idea how it would be to type on it. Does anyone got an idea how difficult it would be to create a keyboard _like this_? please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. the keyboard in ASU is the qtopia keyboard. for better or worse. illume has it's own internal keyboard that does give you all these things, but it was decided that this was not what was wanted. i've participated in long threads on the topic of the keyboard in ASU. :) you're repeating what a lot of people keep saying. as i've said before - i intend to fork and do my own ui (as opposed to the ASU you see) that actually has a lot of the things everyone is clamouring for (more configuration, different/better/more configurable keyboard, different launcher setup etc.). a lot of these features already lurk under the hood in the code and are simply configured to be off and/or inaccessible. unfortunately - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). i'll do what i can over time, but my priorities will be to keep myself fed and housed :) -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean: Please authorise the release of GTA01 schematics
Hi, I am happy with that too - still waiting for my FreeRunner :-) Fisrt I thougt - ohh the CAD files are from commercial tools only, but now, the Schematics are simple PDF files - but good ones. Does anyone plan to make real ECAD project from these schematics - propably with KICAD - a free ECAD tool ? It would be great if also a free ECAD tool would natively supported - if that is allowed :-) If someone is planning, please report. It is propably bad when the work is done twice or more :-) http://kicad.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Thanks, Lothar Am 08.08.2008 um 18:52 schrieb Kyle Bassett: haha wow...it's been a long time in making, but you guys have finally done it. I really have to commend the entire OM staff for their true dedication! I am seriously contemplating release of my own video entitled, ROFLWS: Rolling on floor laughing, with schematics! And only on this ML could I say something so bizarre as the above, and still get chuckles... good job guys. -Kyle PS- and you never know, ROFLWS might just catch on :-P On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sa 2. August 2008 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: Am So 20. Juli 2008 schrieb Rod Whitby: Sean, please release the hardware schematics and pcb layout and component placements for the GTA01. Let the GTA01 run free and continue to impact the material world. Respectfully, -- Rod Whitby PCB-layout is a little difficult to release - this is a multilayer PCB. Component placement 01/02 TBD. Schematics 01 TBD. Needs some prettyprinting first. Also there are NDA-issues with TI Calypso. Those parts of schematics we mustn't release you may find elsewhere though (heard sth about Chinese books on cellphones ;) Stay assured we won't forget on GTA01 owners. cheers jOERG added GTA01, component-placement for 01 and 02 see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg and http://downloads.openmoko.org/schematics/ for some echo in press see http://www.google.de/search?q=openmoko+schematics please note this is a RC, not a gold Feel free to comment! cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Link to full qwerty screenshot in FSO uploaded by Kevin Dean http://monochromementality.com/data/phoo/2008_08_05/medium/Screenshot-9.png Full photo Safari of FOS M2 http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/FSO-Milestone-II-Phot-Safari-and--rant.html Rakshat PS the keyboard works great. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
yes, it looks great, but can it be installed in 2008.8 (how?) BillK On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:48 +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? I did too. I replaced my ASU image on a third ext3 partition on my SD card. (format partition, copy tar file in /tmp, untar 2008.8 rootfs into partition) uImage.bin is on a first FAT partition (didn't try yet to use kernel on ext3 partition, maybe it works now that I had uboot updated). Or I even boot using uImage kernel from SDRAM and then rootfs on /mmcblk0p3 But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO and GSM instability
Yes, I have a GTA01 and GTA02 both running FSO-M2. Each one has a SIM card. The GTA01 has its blue bar steadily on. The GTA02 the bar is off more than on.Sometimes it briefly says No Service. I have fiddled with it and taken some notes but it is quite erratic. and even if I succeed in ringing it the call drops out. Neither phone answers a call till it has gone through a complex startup. while doing 1234 frequently as it goes into withdrawal very quickly, it is necessary to press the phone icon, get the keyboard, press the X on the keyboard which gets the 4 icons back press the phone icon. at that point the bar goes blue and it changes from zhone to Vodafone AU. Neither is doing well at initiating a call either. GTA02 I managed to hear hello once from the other phone then nothing. I can look inside via ssh if I knew what to look for. clare On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008-08-07 22:38 -0700, C R McClenaghan: [gprs part cut out] does anyone else experience gsm instability with FSO MS2? Chris Yes, though I have yet to do some basic testing/debugging to see when and how I get disconnected. But basically I see that the blue bar below the network's name/id turns black every now and then, even when there's nothing running. I'm waiting for Mickey's updates to frameworkd that he'll hopefully upload this weekend. If I can find a pattern or just anything that's reproducible I'll post a bug. I have not used ASU or any other distribution long enough to see if it's worse or better with FSO. / Fredrik Wendt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
Hi all, First of all I also have to say great job with 2008.08. I like it a lot. Then the normal keyboard rant. I don't mind the predictive keyboard at all. As long as 1) I can add languages 2) can choose the word I actually typed. When the predictive kb is on, and I type in english I really like it. Yesterday at the bar when friends were taynting ooh let's see if you manage to write an sms with openmoko, I whipped out the freerunner, and had a message written in english before the othe guys had their phones out of the pocket. And this was with accuracy - (beer * 4). But when they asked to write something in finnish, I said ooh, who's ready for anothe beer and deftly hid the freerunner. Cheers, Kalle With this crazy «dictionary-thing» I'm not able to write a message in (Swiss) German or any other language than English. Even a simple «Hallo» ends up in «Hello». And as long I'm not able to write a word that is not in the dictionary it's pretty useless for me. There are also keys missing to make it usable for the terminal. I think I am talking for a lot of people who want to have a _nice and usable_ keyboard - for any language and any app. The keyboard has to be finger friendly and not too small. It should contain all usual letters and special characters. I made a little mockup (it's no design masterpiece... ;-)) of a keyboard. I think something in this direction would be really cool: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO and GSM instability
On Sat, August 9, 2008 9:33 pm, Clare wrote:
Yes, I have a GTA01 and GTA02 both running FSO-M2. Each one has a SIM
card. The GTA01 has its blue bar steadily on. The GTA02 the bar is
off more than on.Sometimes it briefly says No Service. I have
fiddled with it and taken some notes but it is
quite erratic. and even if I succeed in ringing it the call drops out.
Neither phone answers a call till it has gone through a complex
startup. while doing 1234 frequently as it goes into withdrawal very
quickly, it is necessary to press the phone icon, get the keyboard,
press the X on the keyboard which gets the 4 icons back press the
phone icon. at that point the bar goes blue and it changes from
zhone to Vodafone AU.
Neither is doing well at initiating a call either. GTA02 I managed to
hear hello once from the other phone then nothing.
I can look inside via ssh if I knew what to look for.
clare
Me too.
If I run mdbus -s -l and grep for gsm I see the CID (cell ID??) changing
quite often, and the signal strength jumping around, sometimes high,
sometimes 0. Never low (during the short period that I watched).
e.g.
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '590C',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 86, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '5909',
'strength': 86, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 86, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '5909',
'strength': 87, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 84, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '5909',
'strength': 89, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 84, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '590C',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '6E48',
'strength': 87, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
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Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions
The graphical installer is great! I really like this, although I agree with the opinion stated elsewhere that the text is too big, and I'd really like to see the 'description' text on the package details screen, so that I know what the package is (names aren't always that informative). So you don't think it should be usable without a stylus? Not really, I don't see a need - Installing software is not something you're going to be doing five times a day while on the train on the way to work. Sure, you _might_ use it once a day, but i think for that one time you can fumble around and find your stylus. And even if you are installing software 5 times a day, on the train and have lost your stylus, you can always use your keys ;) The letters on the keyboard are smaller than the text in the installer, and they're pressable with fingers. I didn't say the text should be small, just not so enormous! * keyboard - Predictive text is annoying as hell. Agreed. There seem to be some kind of interface nazism (to quote Thorvalds) going on. Apart from the predictive keyboard being *really* annoying - especially if you are typing URL's, shell commands or a non-english language!! then I don't understand this idea that there can't be a bring-up-the-keyboard button. (yes I know I can install a qwerty-button). For me the correct way is like qtopia: * Have a bring-up-the-keyboard button * Have change-input-method option * Have a set of different keyboards (multitap,full qwerty,handwriting,om2008-like) to toggle between. * Be able to turn predictive keyboard OFF ... and for goods sake... don't make a keyboard without a delete key. Yeah, well put. It's not just the predictive text either when typing URLs. for example, typing in my mail server was *horrible* - - i type 'mail', then tap the word 'mail' to insert it into the textbox - then I stroke down until I get to the screen with the period, then i press that, then i tap the period at the top to put it in the textbox. - this inserts a space after mail., so i have to position the cursor after the space and stroke left for backspace, then reposition the cursor at the end of the line. - then I stroke up a couple of times to get back to qwerty - then I type internode, but internode isn't in the dictionary so I have to type and tap on 'inter' - then I repeat the space erasure procedure. - then I type type 'node', click on 'node' - then I repeat space erasure procedure. - then I have to type 'on.net' using this same painfull process. and these are all dictionary words! multiply the annoyance by 2 seconds for each keypress if your mailserver / URL isn't made up of dictionary words! :O compare this with 21 stylus taps using the matchbox keyboard. and this isn't even a particularly difficult thing to be typing! I think the real solution to make everybody happy will be a set of different keyboards: a multitap-type keypad like on a phone, a stylus-friendly full qwerty keyboard like matchbox keyboard, and a finger-friendly, multi-mode qwerty keyboard like the one we have (with an option to turn off the predictive text), aimed primarily at finger-friendly texting. - I'd like to see letters on the numeric keypad screen. For example, the PIN on my sim card is a word typed using the numbers on my phone keypad, not a number - I have no idea what the numbers in my PIN are! in order to enter my pin using this numpad, I have to get out my nokia and look at it's keypad and then type in the numbers. Arhh... go write it down, then. So, just to be clear, you're telling me that I should totally void any security which this pin provides by writing it down? If I'm going to do that, I might as well just disable the PIN. I did say 'I'd like to see', not OMFG THIS IS THE WORST!. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
2) can choose the word I actually typed. Yeah, This would improve the usability immensely! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 10:59 +0200, Cédric Berger wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:08, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available (http://git.android.com/). Android is not yet published as open source. So this git repository must only contain the already open sourced parts (ie linux kernel used,...) Porting android should be possible, but only when its sources are released (should be when first android phones are available) As I understood, Android is similar to FSO : One framework and applications that rely on it. andoid is designed to use only applications developed specially for it. FSO is more opened allowing to use various linux apps. It brings a framework to ease integration of these, but you are not oblliged to develop specifically for it. We have two options: either wait for Dalvik to be open-sourced and recompiled on ARM4, or wait for android.jar to be open-sourced and modified to run on top of Cocoa+SWT. Either way, we just have to wait :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quasar - Mediaplayer for Openmoko?
Hello Bernt, that sounds great. I'am interessed in your progress (perhaps not alone). Please inform us. with kind regards Patrick Am Freitag, den 08.08.2008, 13:36 -0700 schrieb Bernt: Patrick Beck wrote: Hello Lorn, thanks for your answer. It's a pity. with kind regards Patrick Beck Am Samstag, den 09.08.2008, 04:30 +1000 schrieb Lorn Potter: Patrick Beck wrote: Hello, i have no Neo Freerunner yet, but i look forward for a good mediaplayer. I have searched the internet for Zaurus-Media-Players and found Quasar. http://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/software/quasar-media-player/ Probably not, as it is for Qtopia 2, and would most likely have to be rewritten for Qtopia 4. I fetched the source and tried to compile it for native X11 under ubuntu: installing qt3-dev-tools-embedded and the other dev-packages for the qt-libs I already have and installing libiconv from http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libiconv/libiconv-1.12.tar.gz qmake quasar-qt.pro make cd distro ../quasar First impression: it compiles and runs, so when my freerunner arives it should be possible to compile it for the freerunner too ... Bernt signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2) can choose the word I actually typed. Yeah, This would improve the usability immensely! Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. Quite easy to form words this way. Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia easily with this keyboard. Enter is sliding finger towards the right quickly! Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. the keyboard in ASU is the qtopia keyboard. for better or worse. illume has it's own internal keyboard that does give you all these things, but it was decided that this was not what was wanted. i've participated in long threads on the topic of the keyboard in ASU. :) you're repeating what a lot of people keep saying. as i've said before - i intend to fork and do my own ui (as opposed to the ASU you see) that actually has a lot of the things everyone is clamouring for (more configuration, different/better/more configurable keyboard, different launcher setup etc.). a lot of these features already lurk under the hood in the code and are simply configured to be off and/or inaccessible. unfortunately - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). i'll do what i can over time, but my priorities will be to keep myself fed and housed :) You're welcome to sleep on my couch while you're fixing the keyboard... ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. I'm aware of this Quite easy to form words this way. Granted, it's not difficult, but it's damn time-comsuming! typing my name takes nearly 10 seconds this way! :O Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia easily with this keyboard. How did you type / quickly? Enter is sliding finger towards the right quickly! Are you sure it's enter and not space? -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
Dale Maggee wrote: Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. I'm aware of this Quite easy to form words this way. Granted, it's not difficult, but it's damn time-comsuming! typing my name takes nearly 10 seconds this way! :O Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia easily with this keyboard. How did you type / quickly? Enter is sliding finger towards the right quickly! Are you sure it's enter and not space? Sliding right will send the currently selected word to the application (same as tapping the word). The return key is on the symbols page, on the bottom right. Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions
Thanks for your impression. Really helpful in deciding NOT to install this. I am pretty amazed you claim that the OM team have made a big leap forward and also saying this version still has issues with the basic functionality of the phone.. Power management, calling, sms and intuitive entering of text without stylus should be the main focus. The rest can follow later (even GPS). Of course this is not a fact, it is just my opinion. Overall, I think that openmoko have made a *big* leap forward with 2008.08, keep up the great work! -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community = Aconcagua Expedition with Alpine Ascents Aconcagua Expedition with America's Guide Service. International expeditions to the world's highest peaks. Comprehensive mountaineering school. The Seven Summits Company since 1986. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=9b35cc99a796487659e031c2859d46a8 -- Powered by Outblaze ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
Michael Sheldon wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. I'm aware of this Quite easy to form words this way. Granted, it's not difficult, but it's damn time-comsuming! typing my name takes nearly 10 seconds this way! :O Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia easily with this keyboard. How did you type / quickly? Enter is sliding finger towards the right quickly! Are you sure it's enter and not space? Sliding right will send the currently selected word to the application (same as tapping the word). The return key is on the symbols page, on the bottom right. Yeah, and if you slide right with no currently selected word, you get a space. enter requires the 'hold for 2 seconds' rigmarole -D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package
On 8 Aug 2008, at 22:34, Valerio Valerio wrote: Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote? Yes it would be possible, it some accelerometer work. I have a similar functionality planed yet While requests are being made, it would be quite useful here to have the phone emulate the PS3 remote control. http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/08/sonys-bd-remote-control-for-ps3- reviewed/ I haven't looked closely at how the PS3 remote works. Whether it pretends to be a keyboard or uses some other bluetooth profile (??). The former case would be ideal as I guess it would need only an app showing fast-forward, rewind, play buttons that would sit above your keyboard emulator and pass their presses to it. I guess that'd be outside the scope of your project - not really innovative enough - and so maybe someone in the community would be interested in this. But if a whole different profile is needed then I would love it if you could take a quick look. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quasar - Mediaplayer for Openmoko?
oh yes, quasar is absolutely fantastic. would like to see that on my freerunner too !!! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Quasar---Mediaplayer-for-Openmoko--tp680836p682767.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions
ted braak wrote: Thanks for your impression. Really helpful in deciding NOT to install this. I am pretty amazed you claim that the OM team have made a big leap forward and also saying this version still has issues with the basic functionality of the phone.. Power management, calling, sms and intuitive entering of text without stylus should be the main focus. The rest can follow later (even GPS). Of course this is not a fact, it is just my opinion. Haha, That was written within very shortly after installing it. Since then, the 'annoyances' have elevated themselves to 'extreme frustrations', and I've become thoroughly disenfranchised with it - I'm restoring my FR back to 2007.2 as I type this... I maintain that the interface at least is a big leap forward - it's very slick and pretty, and it shows alot of promise - once the bugs have been worked out to the point where it's on par with 2007.2 for stability, and something has been done about the *awful* keyboard, I'll happily go back to it. In the meantime, though, a pretty-looking paperweight has the same functionality as an ugly looking one - I'll take usability over eyecandy any day... In my opinion, your opinion is spot on - eyecandy is all well and good but making the thing work should be a much higher priority. -D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing
You can either install it by overwriting /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc or I think by sticking it in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 Cheers, Mike. Thanks, Mike. Your modified gtkrc worked perfectly for me. tangogps looks *much* better now. However, putting it in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 didn't seem to work for me so I just moved /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2. 0/gtkrc to /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.orig and pasted yours in. That worked great for me too! Everything looks great now. Except I still don't have the Auto Center button anymore. Anybody else having this problem? snip sample gtkrc Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 08:08:13PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. the keyboard in ASU is the qtopia keyboard. for better or worse. illume has it's own internal keyboard that does give you all these things, but it was decided that this was not what was wanted. i've participated in long threads on the topic of the keyboard in ASU. :) you're repeating what a lot of people keep saying. as i've said before - i intend to fork and do my own ui (as opposed to the ASU you see) that actually has a lot of the things everyone is clamouring for (more configuration, different/better/more configurable keyboard, different launcher setup etc.). a lot of these features already lurk under the hood in the code and are simply configured to be off and/or inaccessible. unfortunately - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). i'll do what i can over time, but my priorities will be to keep myself fed and housed :) I didn't have time to follow this discussion on the keyboard in ASU. But as I wrote in the other list: a customizable keyboard is the only right keyboard - no matter how one argues. ;) I'm looking forward to see your own work on this. Ole pgpBLwyekXuAi.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I changed u-boot env to add a new menu entry including init=/sbin/init. It went a bit further this time : kernel boots and I can see the booting splash screen (with boots and progress bar), although the X server wasn't started, I guess : I get a black screen. I updated the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Add_uboot_boot_entry to show an example menu with the init kernel arg. Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? To follow-up on that issue. It seems that after having failed initially, I tried again (nothing changed), and this time, the X server started allright. I even was able to input the pin (hard with that strange keyboard), and place/receive calls. Success, I declare ! Now, I'll have to update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Download to update details on how to boot it from SD. Thanks for the feedbacks received. It helped me keep on trying ;-) Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8 Aug 2008, at 22:34, Valerio Valerio wrote: Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote? Yes it would be possible, it some accelerometer work. I have a similar functionality planed yet While requests are being made, it would be quite useful here to have the phone emulate the PS3 remote control. http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/08/sonys-bd-remote-control-for-ps3- reviewed/ I haven't looked closely at how the PS3 remote works. Whether it pretends to be a keyboard or uses some other bluetooth profile (??). The former case would be ideal as I guess it would need only an app showing fast-forward, rewind, play buttons that would sit above your keyboard emulator and pass their presses to it. I guess that'd be outside the scope of your project - not really innovative enough - and so maybe someone in the community would be interested in this. But if a whole different profile is needed then I would love it if you could take a quick look. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community i would be interested ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package
HI, 2008/8/9 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 8 Aug 2008, at 22:34, Valerio Valerio wrote: Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote? Yes it would be possible, it some accelerometer work. I have a similar functionality planed yet While requests are being made, it would be quite useful here to have the phone emulate the PS3 remote control. http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/08/sonys-bd-remote-control-for-ps3- reviewed/ I haven't looked closely at how the PS3 remote works. Whether it pretends to be a keyboard or uses some other bluetooth profile (??). The former case would be ideal as I guess it would need only an app showing fast-forward, rewind, play buttons that would sit above your keyboard emulator and pass their presses to it. I guess that'd be outside the scope of your project - not really innovative enough - and so maybe someone in the community would be interested in this. But if a whole different profile is needed then I would love it if you could take a quick look. The PS3 remote use the default Bluetooth HID, so to add this app I only need to rip of the Service record from the PS3 Remote and map the keys, unfortunately I don't have a PS3 near to me and don't have time to look on this now, but I think is not a difficult work. Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
Somebody already had a look into this: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Ok. I gave up. I would need at least 10 years to make the samething. We have two options: either wait for Dalvik to be open-sourced and recompiled on ARM4, or wait for android.jar to be open-sourced and modified to run on top of Cocoa+SWT. Either way, we just have to wait :) Isn't it possible to make an adapter with may be Jalimo to enable Android applications to run on OpenMoko ? Thanks for your replies. Mike Markus Binsteiner a écrit : Somebody already had a look into this: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Basically the problem is that android is compiled for ARMv5 whereas the neos have got an ARMv4 processor. Cheers, Markus On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 10:08 +0200, Mike Baroukh wrote: hi all. I'm not a system programmer. I've got system administration skills and Java developpement skills. I will certainly say lots of absurdities. Please correct me ... I'd love to make system developpement. But start point is not easy. I was thinking of following the LinuxFromScratch from start to create my own learning distribution on my Neo. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available (http://git.android.com/). As I understood, Android is similar to FSO : One framework and applications that rely on it. There is already lots of applications. And the SDK is really easy to use within Eclipse. (could'nt it be possible to make a SDK for OpenMoko under Eclipse to ease application developpement ?) If a group already exists that try to make Android running, please, let me know. Also, does somebody have informations on Android ? Maybe it's have already been checked and it's just a dream that is actually not possible ? I don't speak about making a full working android distribution, but if It could just start It would be great. then we could make things working step by step. The framework already exists, we just have to wire it to the hardware. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Oh Sorry, Yes you are right, there is an Nor uboot for this case. Thanks for correct me. Cheers, Tick On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 11:41:25AM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image. I think you will need a debug board. Regard, Tick Or just boot into NOR U-boot nand erase u-boot and flash a new U-boot in using dfu-utils? Is this not what the NOR u0boot is for? Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A very sad story...
John Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LCD panel! The company should set up a spare parts page and I thought this would have been done already. We're all going to need new glass in the front after a while, when it's all scratched up. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What will be in GTA03?
(no reply so far... so a little bump) This is more or less my wish list... So what will be in? 1) camera (decent one, 3MP or more) Will it be possible to record movies with sound? What resolution? 2) buttons on the damn thing :p SNES and GBx all the way :) Or at the very least, sell the GTA03 with an optional control pad: http://www.icontrolpad.com/ But try to make it as small as possible (maybe the control pad overlapping the case) so it doesn't get t big. 3) holder for a small plastic stylus. With an optinal string connecting both, so that if you drop it by chance it doesn't get lost forever in some crack to hell. If possible, keep this in mind if selling the icontrolpad thingy (so the stylus doesn't get trapped there). 4) GPS Will I be able to keep maps updated for free? Will it be possible to make use of google maps, in the sense of having the indications on how to get from A to B? 5) USB connector (USB 2.x), in order to connect the phone to the computer 6) WiFi 7) accelerometers 8) bluetooth 9) a cute chinese or japanese girl ^_^ Well, at least their phone numbers :p I heard about xv and glamo and what else... What I need to know is: Will I be able to watch videos or play games (with sound on both) at 640x480 resolution? What will the final price be? In Europe? And when will it be ready? You drive people crazy waiting for a final product with decent features (e.g. camera) I need a *working* new phone... yesterday :( (must... resist... iphone...) Maybe all this info should be on your wiki and wikipedia? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA Best wishes for everything! PLEASE CC ME in your reply. PS: suggestion for next phones: Dual-Sim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko 2008.8
...just made it to the front page of Digg. Let's see how the wiki holds up to the deluge ;) Aaron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will be in GTA03?
(no reply so far... so a little bump) there were a lot! and besides, you did obviously never check, what _gta02_ has already -- 50% of you wishlist are irrelevant! PLEASE CC ME in your reply. if you don't care to read the list (or anything else, like news) why do you spam it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:30 +0200, Mike Baroukh wrote: Somebody already had a look into this: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Ok. I gave up. I would need at least 10 years to make the samething. We have two options: either wait for Dalvik to be open-sourced and recompiled on ARM4, or wait for android.jar to be open-sourced and modified to run on top of Cocoa+SWT. Either way, we just have to wait :) Isn't it possible to make an adapter with may be Jalimo to enable Android applications to run on OpenMoko ? Sure, it's possible. However writing this adapter from scratch needs quite a lot of effort, time and manpower - it could take several months. On the other hand, with android.jar sources it's different story - I guess a quick, dirty and slow wrapper can be written in a week or so. Thanks for your replies. Mike Markus Binsteiner a écrit : Somebody already had a look into this: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Basically the problem is that android is compiled for ARMv5 whereas the neos have got an ARMv4 processor. Cheers, Markus On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 10:08 +0200, Mike Baroukh wrote: hi all. I'm not a system programmer. I've got system administration skills and Java developpement skills. I will certainly say lots of absurdities. Please correct me ... I'd love to make system developpement. But start point is not easy. I was thinking of following the LinuxFromScratch from start to create my own learning distribution on my Neo. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available (http://git.android.com/). As I understood, Android is similar to FSO : One framework and applications that rely on it. There is already lots of applications. And the SDK is really easy to use within Eclipse. (could'nt it be possible to make a SDK for OpenMoko under Eclipse to ease application developpement ?) If a group already exists that try to make Android running, please, let me know. Also, does somebody have informations on Android ? Maybe it's have already been checked and it's just a dream that is actually not possible ? I don't speak about making a full working android distribution, but if It could just start It would be great. then we could make things working step by step. The framework already exists, we just have to wire it to the hardware. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A very sad story...
On the Wiki, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_hardware#LCD_Module_.28LCM.29 it says the LCD module is a TD028TTEC1 Just Google it.. there is 2 Chinese company selling it... You can find it also on eBay for 309 RM (Malaysian ringgit) which is approx : 90$ (http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290224409238) Maybe someone that know better than me can confirm the screen would work on the FR. Regards Philippe On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:11 PM, John Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hey all, Usually my first post to a community mailing list is some basic question that I could find if I just read 15 more mins on a wiki, but I am sad to say that this isn't the case for this posting. I have been an openmoko user for 4 days now, and a happy one at that. I was getting involved, learning, and bothering plenty of people on IRC with the types of questions I mentioned earlier. Today, I had my openmoko in my pocket (empty at that) as I was out for a walk and when I turned it on afterwards I discovered a crack in the LCD panel! I don't really know how to proceed from here. I contacted the reseller I purchased the phone from, Koolu, and haven't heard back from them yet. I need help in figuring out what to do next. If Koolu is unable/unwilling to help, how can I go about getting another LCD panel to replace the damaged one? Any thoughts/advice is appreciated. Thanks, John Koenig ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR, browser and matchbox-keyboard
Hi folks, I have installed the openmoko-browser to my FR (with uImage-2.6.24 +git20080424-om-gta02.bin and related rootfs, I don' know the shortcut) and I have add the matchbox-keyboard (due to full QWERTY-keys) instead of multitab-pad succesfully. My wifi works fine, but if I surf to a site with an entry field (e.g. mobile.google.com) and want to enter a search term (or on other sites a UID/PW), I get no keyboard displayed. During the entering of URL the keyboard appears and disappears if I change to browser view. How can I activate the keyboard? Or how can I automate the appearance at selection of an enter field? -- mfg/br, christian Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008 WTF??
Well I installed the 2008.8 even though the bug list had 4 or 5 items that basically rendered the phone useless. Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen, then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen? When you finally get something resembling a GUI it looks pretty cool. As somebody said nice eye candy. Why is it so slow now? Everything takes forever? Why won't it wake up from sleeping? tap the screen nothing? Press the aux button nothing? Press the main button nothing?? Then all of a sudden on its own, it makes a popping noise and the screen is back to life? WTF over? It shut down on me twice, all on its own? WTF? Where's the terminal? Where's the power settings? The battery icon always shows charging, whether its plugged in or not? Is it charging, how do I know? The GSM icon no longer responds to a tap? It used to bring up a little dialog that showed the current status? and whats with the funky + and * symbols at the bottom of the screen that don't do anything? Why does it keep waking up every 30 seconds or so? whats with the stupid keyboard? Does anybody think its remotely usable? WTF? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Scott wrote: Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen, then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen? The first one (OM screen) lives in a dedicated flash partition and is loaded by u-boot. It could be updated by the opkg that is responsible for the other splash screen, in the same way that the kernel opkg will re-flash the kernel partition when it is updated. This might be a good project for one of the community members (hint, hint). It should be possible to hide the linux text scrolling - OpenSuSE (for example) does it, but I don't know the details. I personally like to see the penguin and the Linux messages. AFAIK the remaining issues are because the splash-screen starts out by using the raw framebuffer, and then later X11 is started. I don't know what room for improvement there is in this area - maybe someone else can comment. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR, browser and matchbox-keyboard
How can I activate the keyboard? Or how can I automate the appearance at selection of an enter field? Depending on what distribution you're running, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#How_to_add_a_keyboard_toggle_button -- Charles-Henri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Mike Montour wrote: Scott wrote: Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen, then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen? The thing that annoys me most is an indication that the phone has finished booting when it really hasn't. For example, the progress bar on 2008.8 which leads to another loading screen after it hits 100% (this time with NO indication of progress), and the little chime in 2007.2 which makes you think the phone has finally booted, when really you're left waiting another 15 seconds. I don't mind a slightly long boot time so long as the visual/audio feedback makes sense! Aaron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
2008 was launched like this: William Lai wrote: Here is what you can expect: - A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia. - A new and flexible window manager [Illume] that broadens our support for the different graphic libraries, including GTK+ and more. - The whole system software has been reworked which leads to a very fast and reliable suspend resume, LED control and power management. It is not stable, software is not fast, and power management is not reliable. Announcing something this way leads to disappointments. I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in bringing us bling. I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. = Trade Gold ETFs Learn About Three Options for trading Gold ETFs. Compare Them Here. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=6b9cc20e8934699743cd96658324aebf -- Powered by Outblaze ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
he code and are simply configured to be off and/or inaccessible. unfortunately - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). Oh dear. I just won a bet (Raster will leave OpenMoko before the end of the year), but I'm not happy about it! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions
Not really, I don't see a need - Installing software is not something you're going to be doing five times a day while on the train on the way to work. So? What if I want to install software at least once or twice a week, do I have to have a stylus around all the time? Sure, you _might_ use it once a day, but i think for that one time you can fumble around and find your stylus. And even if you are installing software 5 times a day, on the train and have lost your stylus, you can always use your keys ;) Bah, this is really terrible thinking. Whats wrong with making a purely finger-friendly interface, besides laziness? Its not the 90's, stylus-based computing is not cool. The rest of the world is going multi-touch, no accessories required. We ought to at least keep up. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
[snip: me not paying attention and all sorts of folks being helpfull] Ah. It's much happier now. Thanks. -- Noah Romer | Knowledge is power. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available | Power corrupts. by finger or email | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ted braak wrote: It is not stable, software is not fast, and power management is not reliable. Announcing something this way leads to disappointments. I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in bringing us bling. I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. I think they will be very happy if community will create something. It was a big rework. Is normal that for now is not optimized and still there some (big) problems. Also Windows Vista when went out was not perfect. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIndYaSIAU/I6SkT0RAgROAJ92t1ey4ZmUK4IiJ4UneZrkO7ESTQCgmAMT hCZ0618/tvwMYiTfOdqzUwU= =CGtg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to the internet *out-of-the-box*. (Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to read?) Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead the other developers. Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) D ted braak wrote: I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in bringing us bling. I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/2008-WTF---tp682996p683113.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions
Bah, this is really terrible thinking. Whats wrong with making a purely finger-friendly interface, besides laziness? screen real estate. i might be wrong but i imagine finger friendly with large buttons and so on, taking up a lot of space. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
As it seems they have the contrary. They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without accepting ideas from the developers or the community. Dimitri wrote: It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to the internet *out-of-the-box*. (Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to read?) Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead the other developers. Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) D ted braak wrote: I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in bringing us bling. I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO and GSM instability
Am Freitag 08 August 2008 22:47:10 schrieb Fredrik Wendt: 2008-08-07 22:38 -0700, C R McClenaghan: [gprs part cut out] does anyone else experience gsm instability with FSO MS2? Chris Yes, though I have yet to do some basic testing/debugging to see when and how I get disconnected. But basically I see that the blue bar below the network's name/id turns black every now and then, even when there's nothing running. Doesn't sound like a bug in FSO, rather than the infamous http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 :( -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A very sad story...
John, if you have no luck with your reseller, then contact me, I have a spare LCD panel I could send you. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Bumbl wrote: As it seems they have the contrary. They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without accepting ideas from the developers or the community. Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community or communicate with it, on ALL levels. But it's not like all community ideas can be implemented immideately, and that everyone can be made happy. Anarchy doesn't work even in open source. I think 2008.08 is in most ways a step forward. And in the things that aren't like that.. sometimes you have to take a half step back to get two steps forward. Constructive criticism is the best help one can give, but bitching is just stupid. Cheers, Kalle Dimitri wrote: It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to the internet *out-of-the-box*. (Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to read?) Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead the other developers. Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) D ted braak wrote: I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in bringing us bling. I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will be in GTA03?
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (no reply so far... so a little bump) there were a lot! Not replying to what I asked. The comments were mostly offtopic. and besides, you did obviously never check, what _gta02_ has already -- 50% of you wishlist are irrelevant! Just because gta02 has them doesn't mean that gta03 will have then as well. AFAIK it is subject to changes... and some things have already. PLEASE CC ME in your reply. if you don't care to read the list (or anything else, like news) why do you spam it? 1) Sorry if you perceived my post as spam. I am interested in the project and thus find it important to have an answer to those questions. However, I can't follow it as intensely as you do. 2) I did read several threads, but I still didn't got a clear picture of the situation. 3) The ml has lots of activity. It makes sense to make that information centralized instead of scatered (and outdated) across dozens of messages. That was why I also suggested an update in the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA Or is it better for every person who may be interested in openmoko devices to spend hours reading and searching, and in the end have no concrete answer? 4) My questions were pretty straightforward, mosty Y/N answers. A knowing user could answer them in 2-5 minutes if he wanted to. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO and GSM instability
Am Samstag 09 August 2008 14:12:56 schrieb NeilBrown:
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '590C',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
[...]
That's ok. Frequent cell changes are usual. The strength 0 is a modem race
condition on cell ID change which I will need to workaround in ogsmd.
Nothing to worry about until you are seeing registration:unregistered
followed by immediate reregistration.
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Re: 2008 WTF??
Am Samstag 09 August 2008 18:11:11 schrieb Mike Montour: Scott wrote: Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen, then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen? The first one (OM screen) lives in a dedicated flash partition and is loaded by u-boot. It could be updated by the opkg that is responsible for the other splash screen, in the same way that the kernel opkg will re-flash the kernel partition when it is updated. This might be a good project for one of the community members (hint, hint). It should be possible to hide the linux text scrolling - OpenSuSE (for example) does it, but I don't know the details. I personally like to see the penguin and the Linux messages. AFAIK the remaining issues are because the splash-screen starts out by using the raw framebuffer, and then later X11 is started. I don't know what room for improvement there is in this area - maybe someone else can comment. Lots of room for improvement. We should be able to get a consistent splash screen from U-Boot into X. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
You need to take into account that this is just a milestone release, a snapshot of the current progress of the ASU development. It is *NOT* a final release in any way, shape or form. If you read the announcement by William Lai he lists: - A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia. - A new and flexible window manager [Illume] that broadens our support for the different graphic libraries, including GTK+ and more. - The whole system software has been reworked which leads to a very fast and reliable suspend resume, LED control and power management. - A graphical frontend [Installer] for package management as installing, removing or updating applications via repositories. - Also included is an application which combines GPS and SMS [Locations] for easy sharing of locations among friends. I would say it does meet all of those points. What is it not, is a final phone distribution that is completely finished. This is only the first of many milestones before any type of final release. -Jacob On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it seems they have the contrary. They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without accepting ideas from the developers or the community. Dimitri wrote: It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to the internet *out-of-the-box*. (Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to read?) Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead the other developers. Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) D ted braak wrote: I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in bringing us bling. I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Kalle Happonen wrote: Bumbl wrote: As it seems they have the contrary. They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without accepting ideas from the developers or the community. Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community or communicate with it, on ALL levels. But it's not like all community ideas can be implemented immideately, and that everyone can be made happy. Anarchy doesn't work even in open source. I think 2008.08 is in most ways a step forward. And in the things that aren't like that.. sometimes you have to take a half step back to get two steps forward. Constructive criticism is the best help one can give, but bitching is just stupid. Cheers, Kalle Dimitri wrote: It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to the internet *out-of-the-box*. (Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to read?) Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead the other developers. Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) D ted braak wrote: I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in bringing us bling. I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The problem is some features the community really longs for are already in the code but all disabled (and they will stay disabled) because the leader/design department decides that the community does not need them. You can't enable them without forking and building your own application. And that is the problem. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Yeah I concur with this here, its definitely been a matter of patience, watching things go backwards before they apparently .. any day now .. go forwards. Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead the other developers. Its a bit hippy-dippy, if you want to know my opinion (you probably don't), and by that I mean that the punch-bowl is running linux. Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) I think the best we can hope for is that from the 2008.8 release onwards, we'll now start to see the massive progress we've always been promised as a result of community contributions. I suppose its fair to say that the majority of the platform-specific 'hard work' has been/ is being done by the core OM team, and now its up to us to start contributing. That said, I have not been able to succesfully complete a 'make openmoko-developer-image' for a week, and its been terribly frustrating watching all the bloat of OM go by, with little final 'caught up with the main developers' resuts. I'm going to give it another go, though, so stay tuned .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions
screen real estate. i might be wrong but i imagine finger friendly with large buttons and so on, taking up a lot of space. i don't think so, but thats just me. there is a lot that can be done with overlays and sliders and so on that just isn't being done. but enough complaints, off i go to try to do some nice GUI that shows the nerds how things are done .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community or communicate with it, on ALL levels. But it's not like all community ideas can be implemented immideately, and that everyone can be made happy. Anarchy doesn't work even in open source. Well the problem is that the toolchain has such a huge ramp-up to just get started that there really isn't much contribution to the mainline base packages from the community. If we look at the major contributions in the form of apps and new things coming to the platform lately, we do *not* see a lot of them being built using the main OM body of tools - mostly are compiled separately, not packaged into .ipk files, or even better: just plain ol' python based projects that you hand-install. There really is *no* momentum behind the OM build system that I see right now, in terms of 3rd party developers picking it up and getting started with it. You have to sit through a few days of compiling just to catch up with the factory image, and even then there are so many forks on the other side of the fence that you'd be lucky to produce a md5-compatible image using the current build tools. I think 2008.08 is in most ways a step forward. And in the things that aren't like that.. sometimes you have to take a half step back to get two steps forward. Constructive criticism is the best help one can give, but bitching is just stupid. Trudat. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
On 2008-08-09, 09:51 -0600 Scott wrote words in English and overall acted out as he was less then 10 yrs old, and this is snippets of what he wrote: [...] WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen? [...] Why is it so slow now? Everything takes forever? Why won't it wake up from sleeping? tap the screen nothing? Press the aux button nothing? Press the main button nothing?? Then all of a sudden on its own, it makes a popping noise and the screen is back to life? WTF over? [you can almost guess what he wrote here] WTF? You sure gotta be hell of a contributer, mass order client, or you ought to shut up. If you aren't contributing in a constructive way, you should start by pulling the plug out of your ass and put in your mouth - try harder. Find useful pieces of information and start contributing. Or get a phone from some generic vendor. Apple has a cool and slick one called iPhone. Might suite you just fine. But please, writing WTF ten times in a mail where there's no new information really isn't gonna help you (or anyone else for that matter). / Fredrik Wendt, who also has the exact same device Scott has, as many others do too but doesn't scream WTF as soon his/her proclaimed non-finished device shows it's serious hickups signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Kernel module request: MASQuerade on FR
Hi. I want to use the FreeRunner as a GPRS modem for my laptop. I can successfully setup SNAT, but MASQUERADE would be even better (since the GPRS connection is rather flaky and SNAT drops/looses track of the laptop's connections when ppp0 goes down). Is this completely out of scope? Should I ask for this in Trac? / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Well the problem is that the toolchain has such a huge ramp-up to just get started that there really isn't much contribution to the mainline base packages from the community. I'm not an expert, but I agree. I think it would be possible to make a SDK with Eclipse. It would come with arm gcc and wizards. It could be used to create/build/package/deploy/share projects ... Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce something stable and usable. Couldn't it be, like on Debian, 3 repositories : stable, testing and unstable ? This way, users could choose if they wan't something stable or something new. And package could graduate according to bug reports. That's actually what heart me. It seem that when upgrading, you don't know if it will continue to work ... Jay Vaughan a écrit : Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community or communicate with it, on ALL levels. But it's not like all community ideas can be implemented immideately, and that everyone can be made happy. Anarchy doesn't work even in open source. Well the problem is that the toolchain has such a huge ramp-up to just get started that there really isn't much contribution to the mainline base packages from the community. If we look at the major contributions in the form of apps and new things coming to the platform lately, we do *not* see a lot of them being built using the main OM body of tools - mostly are compiled separately, not packaged into .ipk files, or even better: just plain ol' python based projects that you hand-install. There really is *no* momentum behind the OM build system that I see right now, in terms of 3rd party developers picking it up and getting started with it. You have to sit through a few days of compiling just to catch up with the factory image, and even then there are so many forks on the other side of the fence that you'd be lucky to produce a md5-compatible image using the current build tools. I think 2008.08 is in most ways a step forward. And in the things that aren't like that.. sometimes you have to take a half step back to get two steps forward. Constructive criticism is the best help one can give, but bitching is just stupid. Trudat. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 13:33 -0500, Jacob Peterson wrote: You need to take into account that this is just a milestone release, ... - A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia. ... I would say it does meet all of those points. What is it not, is a final phone distribution that is completely finished. This is only the first of many milestones before any type of final release. ... OM has a TRAC system - if there is a problem raise a bug for it. The sooner they are told something is wrong, the sooner it will get attention. Especially the keyboard - if people just rant, it will get ignored. Tell them what a pile it is - officially! and yes, I raised a bug on the keyboard, and another on the fact the phone wont register. 2008.8 makes an expensive paperweight. AND I believed the blurb about 2008.8 being a basic, but stable and working. However, it is a weekend, give em time. :( BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OM has a TRAC system - if there is a problem raise a bug for it. The sooner they are told something is wrong, the sooner it will get attention. Especially the keyboard - if people just rant, it will get ignored. Tell them what a pile it is - officially! and yes, I raised a bug on the keyboard, and another on the fact the phone wont register. 2008.8 makes an expensive paperweight. Just in order for more constructive attitude, it would be great to also tell us some URLs about these ;) My 2 cents, Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Jay Vaughan wrote: Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Yeah I concur with this here, its definitely been a matter of patience, watching things go backwards before they apparently .. any day now .. go forwards. Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead the other developers. Its a bit hippy-dippy, if you want to know my opinion (you probably don't), and by that I mean that the punch-bowl is running linux. Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) I think the best we can hope for is that from the 2008.8 release onwards, we'll now start to see the massive progress we've always been promised as a result of community contributions. I suppose its fair to say that the majority of the platform-specific 'hard work' has been/ is being done by the core OM team, and now its up to us to start contributing. That said, I have not been able to succesfully complete a 'make openmoko-developer-image' for a week, and its been terribly frustrating watching all the bloat of OM go by, with little final 'caught up with the main developers' resuts. I'm going to give it another go, though, so stay tuned .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The only thing I want to see improved is the documentation. ther is no info on ASU at all even hackers/tinkers are spending much more time than they have to, to customize the images/system. lets face it in many ways software is only useful with documentation and this has none. Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kernel module request: MASQuerade on FR
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi. | | I want to use the FreeRunner as a GPRS modem for my laptop. I can | successfully setup SNAT, but MASQUERADE would be even better (since the | GPRS connection is rather flaky and SNAT drops/looses track of the | laptop's connections when ppp0 goes down). | | Is this completely out of scope? Should I ask for this in Trac? This should already exist, I find -- CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m Is there something else needed in the config? - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkid+80ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpADgCdHTXDmw8iQyANPhKTSNyD7ydX M6cAnAyf/5+6NEuiVUcrfnWAFdYH2DdF =Yfyi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? | | I did too. I replaced my ASU image on a third ext3 partition on my SD card. | (format partition, copy tar file in /tmp, untar 2008.8 rootfs into partition) | | uImage.bin is on a first FAT partition (didn't try yet to use kernel | on ext3 partition, maybe it works now that I had uboot updated). | Or I even boot using uImage kernel from SDRAM and then rootfs on /mmcblk0p3 | | But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at | all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong. Yes current U-Boot is OK with ext3 parsing to bring the kernel in. If you updated your U-Boot partway through your testing, for a while we put out a U-Boot version that had 50% chance per boot to break USB functionality for the whole session. So I you updated it a few weeks ago and then today, it can be that. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkid/GkACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqioQCfQpoCdE4RHhVL4KVjCawMleTR 9F0AoIXXQD6bSd2USJLYfXhBis5Ho5P7 =dyxz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Or get a phone from some generic vendor. Apple has a cool and slick one called iPhone. Might suite you just fine. The iPhone can at least make and receive phone calls reliably, which seems to put it ahead of the FreeRunner at this point. Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that makes phone calls is not exactly the kind of product endorsement most people are looking for. It's like saying Well, what do you mean you don't want this open-source patent free hammer? I mean sure, if you want to get /technical/ about it, it's actually a jelly donut that can't be used to hammer a nail, but I'm charging the same price as the hardware store and you get the recipe too! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|
| But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at
| all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong.
If you updated your U-Boot partway through your testing, for a while we
put out a U-Boot version that had 50% chance per boot to break USB
functionality for the whole session. So I you updated it a few weeks
ago and then today, it can be that.
Well, I'm afraid there could be something else.
Now, I have found a way to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD (actually VFAT +
EXT3).
But I'm too unable to use network over USB now (works fine if
rebooting to 2007.2 in flash).
lsusb reports :
Bus 002 Device 105: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko
Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network
which is fine.
Network on desktop side is correct, but no ping nor ssh find valid
route to destination (192.168.0.202) :(
Still my u-boot is pretty recent :
U-Boot 1.3.2+gitr18+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb (Aug 4 2008 -
02:33:52)
I'm booting with the following env :
bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200
console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot
bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x3200
kernel 0x20; bootm 0x3200
bootdelay=1
menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base}
rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit;
fatload mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
menu_2=Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; setenv
stderr usbtty
menu_3=Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; setenv
stderr serial
menu_4=Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; setenv
stderr usbtty
menu_5=Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; setenv
stderr serial
menu_6=Reboot: reset
menu_8=Power off: neo1973 power-off
mtdids=nor0=physmap-flash,nand0=neo1973-nand
mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0f6a(rootfs)
quiet=1
sd_image_name=uImage.bin
splashimage=nand read.e 0x3200 splash 0x5000; unzip 0x3200 0x880
0x96000
stderr=usbtty
stdin=usbtty
stdout=usbtty
usbtty=cdc_acm
menu_9=Boot 200808 from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base}
rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} init=/sbin/init ro;
mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
boot_menu_timeout=9
bootargs=roofstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200
loglevel=8
mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0f6a(rootfs)
init=/etc/startup
partition=nor0,0
mtddevnum=0
mtddevname=nor
pcb_rev=0x000
pcf50633_int1=0x80
pcf50633_int2=0x02
Environment size: 1871/262140 bytes
with menu_9 (which only adds init=/sbin/init, as you can see)...
Any idea why USB may still be broken ? Maybe since it's running from
SD instead of from flash ?
Don't tell me we need another hadware fix because of SD access ? ;-)
I actually have no other ideas for diagnostic (no terminal nor other
network connection ;( ).
Best regards,
--
Olivier BERGER
(OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F)
http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/
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What's the highest internet speed the GRPS modem on the FR is capable of? Wikipedia gives a very broad range for sub-EDGE technology. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Now, I have found a way to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD (actually VFAT + | EXT3). | | But I'm too unable to use network over USB now (works fine if | rebooting to 2007.2 in flash). | | lsusb reports : | Bus 002 Device 105: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network | which is fine. Yes if you get that far, it is not the U-Boot problem and no missing modules issue either, so as you say something else. Other people mentioned it after update to 2008.8 but for them it went away. | Network on desktop side is correct, but no ping nor ssh find valid | route to destination (192.168.0.202) :( What does it say for ifconfig usb0 route -n on your host? Also any dmesg that involves USB connection action. | Any idea why USB may still be broken ? Maybe since it's running from | SD instead of from flash ? | | Don't tell me we need another hadware fix because of SD access ? ;-) Oooh no I don't see that one coming :-) USB is not broken since the enumeration action is good, the Ethernet over USB stuff has been stable for a good while: something else is broken for example allocation of IP address on Freerunner side will make this kind of trouble. I recall they were talking about Conman or similar for IP allocation of interfaces maybe it involves that somehow (--- pure guess) | I actually have no other ideas for diagnostic (no terminal nor other | network connection ;( ). A debug board gets you out of that but otherwise... :-/ - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkieDj8ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMp5fwCaAxVS8Qr5gk3oCuJCS4itidtU PnUAnAt87sEcheXkR0RARcaiuTWzY+xl =9pih -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR GPRS speed
la, 2008-08-09 kello 17:36 -0400, Jeff Davis kirjoitti: What's the highest internet speed the GRPS modem on the FR is capable of? Wikipedia gives a very broad range for sub-EDGE technology. It supports the max. plain gprs speed, theoretically 80kpbs. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
Hi. I bought a USB gender changer (5€) and today I've played with it to see what the smartphone's capable of. I really only have one goal and that is to avoid having to buy a BT keyboard for faster input in the terminal. I've been able to connect two keyboards, they light up but doesn't work in the terminal (FSO). Is there something I can do to enable input from these external devices? In X: Neither keyboard worked = generated characters in the terminal under X. If I chvt 1 to the console (actually had to /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop for chvt to work properly): Characters do appear but the keyboard is not recognized as a swedish one. I can't get either of € or £ to appear. I'd be very happy if anyone could tell me what to do. Thanks in advance, Fredrik Wendt Devices tested: lsusb: ID 0781:5406 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Micro 4GB Flash Drive dmesg: scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 4.04 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 note: memory stick result: Seemed to work as it should. lsusb: ID 1050:0010 dmesg: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Yubico Yubico Yubikey] note: miniature keyboard from Yubico.com - used for authentication (I use it with OpenID) result: dmesg happily reports that it's inserted. Something creates /dev/input/input5 and if I cat/echo that I get data when the button/key on the Yubikey is pressed. The terminal doesn't get the input though (having the built in keyboard visible/hidden makes no difference). lsusb: ID 0a5c:200a Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth dongle dmesg: - note: bluetooth dongle from Broadcom (I've used it extensively listening to music with my A2DP headset) result: Seems to work just fine - dmesg mentions it and hciconfig shows the device. Will use this interface/device to compare A2DP performance with the built-in bluetooth interface/device. lsusb: ID 04b3:3025 IBM Corp. dmesg: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [LITE-ON Technology USB NetVista Full Width Keyboard.] note: the keyboard I got from Lenovo with my ThinkPad T61 result: Seems to work just fine. NumLock is lit/turned off when pressed. /dev/input/event5 is created when the keyboard is inserted and data comes running in when keys are pressed. The terminal doesn't get the input though (having the built in keyboard visible/hidden makes no difference). signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner
I just wanted to share with the community that I have somewhat got GPRS working T-Mobile on a Freerunner (GTA02) with the August 8 release of Om2008.8. I'm going to paste a bunch of stuff in here, so sorry if this email is pretty confused and long. I need to say up front that I don't have any data plan with T-Mobile. I just went to a T-Mobile store yesterday and bought a SIM chip (US$10) and a pre-paid plan. The guy behind the counter asked me what the phone was that I had. I explained a little, and then he mentioned something about me being able to get free data service, that T-Mobile didn't advertise it, and that it wasn't worth their time to track down who was using it ... I don't know. He just wrote on my receipt wap.voicestream.com. I should also note that I didn't have to modify /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on, or chown /dev/ttySAC0, or even do stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts. However, in relation to chowning /dev/ttySAC0, I *did* modify /etc/group and add the users uucp and ppp to the group dialout, which by default has write permissions on /dev/ttySAC0. It seems to connect, bring up the ppp0 interface, and get and configure a number of TCP/IP settings. Only DNS name resolution seems to work, but this is probably just because I don't have a data plan, or haven't figured out what ports are open to the outside world or what proxy may need to be used. Any input, or suggestions would be great. What I've done required very little modification from this wiki article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS. The only files I edited or created were the ones you see below. Get ready for a cut-n-paste fest: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/peers/tmobile lock /dev/ttySAC0 115200 crtscts connect /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect disconnect /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect hide-password usepeerdns ipcp-accept-local noauth noipdefault novj novjccomp defaultroute replacedefaultroute # Reopen the connection if it fails, pausing for a while. persist holdoff 15 # Check the line every 20 seconds and presume # the peer is gone if no reply for 4 times. lcp-echo-interval 20 lcp-echo-failure 4 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect #!/bin/sh -e exec chat -v -S -s\ TIMEOUT 15\ \K\K\K\d+++ATH\ OK-AT-OK ATZ\ OK ATE1\ ABORT BUSY\ ABORT DELAYED\ ABORT NO ANSWER\ ABORT NO DIALTONE\ ABORT VOICE\ ABORT ERROR\ ABORT RINGING\ TIMEOUT 60\ OK AT+CFUN=1\ OK AT+COPS\ OK AT+CGDCONT=1,\IP\,\wap.voicestream.com\\ OK ATD*99***1# CONNECT /n/d - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect #!/bin/sh -e /usr/sbin/chat -v\ ABORT OK\ ABORT BUSY\ ABORT DELAYED\ ABORT NO ANSWER\ ABORT NO CARRIER\ ABORT NO DIALTONE\ ABORT VOICE\ ABORT ERROR\ ABORT RINGING\ TIMEOUT 12\ \K\K\K\d+++ATH\ NO CARRIER-AT-OK \c - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/pap-secrets # Secrets for authentication using PAP # clientserver secret IP addresses * * * - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# pon tmobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# logread -f Aug 9 21:40:52 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: pppd 2.4.3 started by root, uid 0 Aug 9 21:41:02 om-gta02 daemon.info pppd[1521]: Serial connection established. Aug 9 21:41:03 om-gta02 daemon.info pppd[1521]: Using interface ppp0 Aug 9 21:41:03 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttySAC0 Aug 9 21:41:10 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: PAP authentication succeeded Aug 9 21:41:11 om-gta02 user.info kernel: [ 359.205000] PPP BSD Compression module registered Aug 9 21:41:11 om-gta02 user.info kernel: [ 359.815000] PPP Deflate Compression module registered Aug 9 21:41:13 om-gta02 daemon.warn pppd[1521]: Could not determine remote IP address: defaulting to 10.64.64.64 Aug 9 21:41:13 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: replacing old default route to usb0 [192.168.0.200] Aug 9 21:41:13 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: local IP address 10.171.211.116 Aug 9 21:41:13 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: remote IP address 10.64.64.64 Aug 9 21:41:13 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: primary DNS address 66.94.9.120 Aug 9 21:41:13 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: secondary DNS address 66.94.25.120 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway
Re: descriptions for openembedded/openmoko packages?
arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi, is there a place where the packages available in the oe/om source repos are described? when looking through the code amassed by mokomakefile i often wonder what kind of apps might be hidden behind some of these hermetic names ... Browsing at the available applications descriptions in the installer in 2008.8 doesn't provide much more infos, I guess. Maybe onliners aren't enough to describe applications ? Of course that consumes space in the catalogs of opkg (reason for keeping them short in OE environments in general)... but FR have enough room for more detailed descriptions I guess. My 2 cents, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at | all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong. If you updated your U-Boot partway through your testing, for a while we put out a U-Boot version that had 50% chance per boot to break USB functionality for the whole session. So I you updated it a few weeks ago and then today, it can be that. Well, I'm afraid there could be something else. Now, I have found a way to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD (actually VFAT + EXT3). But I'm too unable to use network over USB now (works fine if rebooting to 2007.2 in flash). Still my u-boot is pretty recent : U-Boot 1.3.2+gitr18+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb (Aug 4 2008 - 02:33:52) Any idea why USB may still be broken ? Maybe since it's running from SD instead of from flash ? I kept trying, rebooted, tested, again, again, unplugged USB, replugged... and TADA, at some point it magically worked ! I've typed-in a few commands, got networking (opkg update completed), did a few more things... and ... it's now gone :( # ping 192.168.0.202 PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable no kernel message on desktop side : usb not unplugged... I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) I guess screen will be my friend. Regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Using freerunner as a telephone
What is the best image and configuration to have freerunner making and receiving telephone calls. I am thinking maximum reliability and battery life. Kind of failsafe mode. Or am I on the wrong universe? -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Jeff Davis wrote: Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that makes phone calls is not exactly the kind of product endorsement most people are looking for. The smartphone is both hardware and software - it's not as trivial as a hammer that you compared it with. The hardware is set know and it's available for purchase (though delayed and out of stock because of the demand). The software is not finished yet. This is stated almost everywhere. Hence - if a person wants a ready to use phone, openmoko is not the way to go. I'm pretty sure you'd agree (at it's present state). I love my FreeRunner and today I actually used it for real, using it as a GPRS modem/gateway while I was on a train. Heck, that's even better than my SonyEricsson M600i that I've used in the same way*. The SE phone however often frooze about once an hour and I had to remove the battery to get it back in a working state again. That didn't happen once with the FreeRunner. It did however loose the connection to the network once (and I couldn't get it to work again without rebooting the device :( ) Sorry if I made you think I don't recommend the FreeRunner - I do, but not to anyone that wants a working phone _today_, because it's not. / Fredrik Wendt * With the SE phone I used bluetooth to set up a rfcomm channel and used that with wvdial. With the freerunner I used usb networking to carry my packets from the laptop to the neo, and then iptables SNAT to route those out on the ppp0 device (GPRS with the FSO methods). signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
