RE: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
Hi KaZeR, My provider also only allow http(s). If you happen to have acces to an ADSL connected linux box at home, it is quiet easy to run proxytunnel http://proxytunnel.sourceforge.net/ And you tunnel ssh over http(s) and use that to build an ppp link to the ADSL connected linux box. All protocols are then available, as if you would be at home. Please check if this is in acordance with your providers acceptable use policy ;-) Kind regrads Ed On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 06:36 +0100, KaZeR wrote: -Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Joel Newkirk Envoyé : mardi 16 décembre 2008 04:58 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : RE: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe snip So frameworkd is setting up three channels for itself and the fourth should be for GPRS, but if ppp_generic isn't inserted then it fails to bring up ppp0 and doesn't release the GPRS resource. Since the first attempt (absent ppp_generic) uses the fourth of four available channels and doesn't release it, then you're done at that point - game over. After a fresh reboot, though, if ppp_generic is inserted before GPRS is attempted, you should be good to go. I managed to get it to work, in the exact way you described. Thank you! Now, since my provider only allow http traffic, i wonder how i'll be able to use agps.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
Hi guys, I am using omview, but I am pleased to hear there is another soft for viewing images : we will have the choice ! In omview, the developer chose to change the display wether the image is portrait or landscape. So in fullscreen, the image is always using the most space it is possible too. Il like this choice. Sure, you have to turn the freerunner for landcape images, but I think with such a small screen (good, but small), it is better to view the image the biggest possible. Kimaidou 2008/12/16 KaZeR ka...@altern.org -Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Nathan Kinkade :-) I know, I was just being a smartass. I'm using omnewrotate and at the moment neon doesn't seem to handle it quite right. At the moment I get a jumble of menus , buttons and part of the image all overlapping. http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_normal.png http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_rotated.png That said, this program is just released and so far look really amazing. I tried it too, and actually you're right. Using both gives garbled display. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
paroli development
Hi to all, does someone has tasted the application paroli to manage calls, messages and contacts? is this a working release? which is the development status? thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
problem with registration of new project
(sorry for my bad english) anyone have problem with registration of new projet on http://projects.openmoko.org/ when i try i receive a denied message ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
Yorick Moko wrote: I like it! but could you include a fullscreen-toggle button? Sure. A new version 0.9.1 is available. https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=239 Regards, Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
*do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you prefer? Which app is your favorite? *how many FR's haven been sold? (if possible some statistics with regards to continents/countries) * _guess_ the ETA of GTA03 which distro allows me to actually place a call? why don't you develop a laptop with the same ideology as with the freerunner (i would preorder)? will GTA03 have 3G? can you make a short video where you place a call from a freerunner and call Harald(Welte) the Rasterman and Mickey? (and they are answering with a FR!) Flash loose Juergen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenVibe is out
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
Carlo Minucci wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) Brilliant, I haven't laughed so much for ages! XorA ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Navit and espeak trouble
Hi, I think I have figured out why navit sometimes seems to hang (except it calculates big routes). After killing my last navit session I have seen espeak still running, but it did not say anithing :-) Is this a known problem ? I am currently using ASU 2008/8 with a timestamp at 16, Nov 2008. Navit is the latest 0.1.0 release. Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
Julien Cassignol a écrit : I was using a jffs from 3 or 4 days ago, only the opkg upgrade from this morning broke some things (i didn't reflash yet). And breakage is part of development, so, it just happens :) Well, as I said before, it may happen that an opkg upgrade will break things. We can't, at this point of our development, plan an update path for every little update. This is time consuming, and, even more disturbing, we don't have enough devices to test that anyway :-) In fact there was an hidden question :) Do you recommend currently to flash or to opkg upgrade to avoid breakage? I do understand that things may break. No problem. Just trying to reduce the odds ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Question about contact list
Please support certain naming conventions on SIM contacts and subsequent combining of contacts in virtual SIM contacts like described here: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2085 This will make it more enjoyable using current SIM contacts. On Tue, December 16, 2008 13:36, Julien Cassignol wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: Hi folks, I was pondering trying SHR but looking around on the Wiki and the SHR Trac I couldn't see any information as to whether it supports importing vcard files into its contact database.Can anyone clue me in please ? There's no contact database, as we use frameworkd. So right now the contact database is your SIM. We're waiting for opimd integration to work further on this topic. As for vcard import, even if it doesn't exist right now, it should be easily doable for name/number (SIM limitations...) -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
Julien Cassignol a écrit : On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:07 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: In fact there was an hidden question :) Do you recommend currently to flash or to opkg upgrade to avoid breakage? I do understand that things may break. No problem. Just trying to reduce the odds ;) Not knowing which revision you're using, at which state and such, I'd recommend to reflash. That's what i did a few hours ago :) What about next updates? If new packages are available, do you recommend to flash or upgrade? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OM daily testing image
Yesterday i had installed the daily testing release 20081215 (jffs and kernel) and its was nice, i was able to make and receive call, send and receive messages and other stuff but the suspend didn't work!! if the phone goes to suspend mode, it never wake up and i have to remove the battery! I think this is a kernel issue. How could i resolve? maybe in the today daily testing kernel image the problem has fixed..or could i use any stable kernel without problem? thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Debian] Foresight Linux
Has anyone checked out Foresight Linux's mobile interface? Looking at their interface for gnome (http://www.foresightlinux.org/img/screenshots/mobile-launcher.png) it looks like something that might fit for the Debian on OM distribution [anyone else ever notice how Debian on OpenMoko spells DOOM?(if a little liberal with the acronym anyway)]. I haven't played with that interface on a notebook, but I plan on it and will report my findings... -Tom Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
Another good idea would be to use 2 freerunners and accelerometer - the faster you shake your freerunner in your hand the faster your girlfriend's freerunner vibrates. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:15 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: you can allways start x11vnc on neo and control it through vncclient :) 2008/12/16 Margo Koppelmann margo.koppelm...@gmail.com: But how do I use it? Do I have to first put a condom on my Freerunner? It would be cool, if it had a web interface so I could control it from my computer over WIFI. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Carlo Minucci ge...@napodano.com wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL
Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com writes: If guys raise there hand to help others out I'll come up with a program to help them out/ reward them. If you are willing to raise your hand, drop me a mail. I've talked to a local electronics repair shop here in Bergen, Norway and they said they will do this operation. There, however, should be a package which contain all relevant documentation and complete circuitry and dismantling the freerunner to help a technician easily and quickly do this operation and not waste time finding the documents. -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Unfortunately without the exact steps you took to get into this situation, we're unable to determine the correct steps to get you out. The most generic answers would be: 1). Reflash with your preferred distribution. 2). Boot from SD Card, access the flash memory and correct your mistake. Although I'm not sure if '2)' is possible as I've never tried. I've only ever come in from the other direction (modify SD from flash). Potentially, if it is simply the x server not starting, you may still be able to ssh in via usb and correct your mistake. The exact steps? I used opkg to install the 2008 load. I was using the phone as a wifi device to attach to my Access Point. I was more interested in what was going on on my Access Point so I did not modify the working wifi connection from my Neo (or any other things on the Neo). At one point it just stopped booting properly. It displays the openmoko splash screen for quite some time and then goes to the boot loading screen showing that it's 45% loaded and never moves from that point. After a few moments it displays the text lines from my previous email. My point is that without modifying files on my Neo, it starts to behave differently. I have even more strange behaviour to report. After several reboot attempts (but no modifications to the Neo) it suddenly booted properly and I was up and running again. This was true for the last few hours. Now, it just started to behave badly once again. I am still testing my Access Point and the Neo gets booted quite a few times. its plugged into the power supply. Since I want the Neo to come up on its own I don't use the power switch/Gui to turn it off. I bring up a terminal and type in reboot. Cheers!! -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 17:21 +0200, Margo Koppelmann wrote: Another good idea would be to use 2 freerunners and accelerometer - the faster you shake your freerunner in your hand the faster your girlfriend's freerunner vibrates. Awesome ! How to sell twice as much Neos ... BTW, here's an official request for GTA03 to have a stronger vibrator :) Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
Carlo, nice application. If anyone is interested, I have an open source MIDlet in a JAR and the open source that also controls the vibrator function. Sorry, OpenVibe was not the first, me probably also not. What is the current status of J2ME support on OpenMoko? The following should have to be met for serious J2ME usage: JAR download via different media such as BlueTooth and (semi automatic) installation and subsequent running of the JAR. On Tue, December 16, 2008 12:26, Graeme Gregory wrote: Carlo Minucci wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) Brilliant, I haven't laughed so much for ages! XorA ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
This is obviously why the GTA02 was specced without a camera... On Tuesday 16 December 2008 13:15:41 David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: you can allways start x11vnc on neo and control it through vncclient :) 2008/12/16 Margo Koppelmann margo.koppelm...@gmail.com: But how do I use it? Do I have to first put a condom on my Freerunner? It would be cool, if it had a web interface so I could control it from my computer over WIFI. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Carlo Minucci ge...@napodano.com wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
Haha, this is cool and even more silly as the awkward Wii movements. If it has a 'sample and looped playback' function, it saves one a sore wrist LOL On Tue, December 16, 2008 16:21, Margo Koppelmann wrote: Another good idea would be to use 2 freerunners and accelerometer - the faster you shake your freerunner in your hand the faster your girlfriend's freerunner vibrates. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:15 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: you can allways start x11vnc on neo and control it through vncclient :) 2008/12/16 Margo Koppelmann margo.koppelm...@gmail.com: But how do I use it? Do I have to first put a condom on my Freerunner? It would be cool, if it had a web interface so I could control it from my computer over WIFI. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Carlo Minucci ge...@napodano.com wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
wouldn't this trigger more custom casings... On Tue, December 16, 2008 16:52, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 17:21 +0200, Margo Koppelmann wrote: Another good idea would be to use 2 freerunners and accelerometer - the faster you shake your freerunner in your hand the faster your girlfriend's freerunner vibrates. Awesome ! How to sell twice as much Neos ... BTW, here's an official request for GTA03 to have a stronger vibrator :) Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Black SOD for a change
I tried to figure out how to put this stuff into http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 but I can't find any way to do so on the page even when logged in. Maybe it's got something to do with the top saying Warning: acct_mgr.web_ui.MessageWrapper object at 0xb6497e2c. So I'll just complain here and you can stick it where you like. Okay; two Freerunner units, one restores semi-okay, one's screen typically goes all black after an otherwise successful restore (not before showing the appropriate display for a moment though), doesn't recover, doesn't seem to react to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/ backlight/pcf50633-bl/brightness. The device remains accessible via usbnet. Trying to restart X doesn't seem to do much. (I've used it without suspend until recently, since everything about that has seemed fucked anyway for a long time.) Tried with these images w. opkg upgrade with Timo's recommendation, at least somewhat works on the other device: http://lists.projects.openmoko.org/pipermail/fdom-development/2008-December/000192.html Also tried 20081212-testing on the problem one, same deal, after restore, there's maybe a second of UI visibility, then instant black. What the fuck? BSOD for a change? Should I just bitch to my EU retailer for warranty replacement since it's just affecting the one unit at least here? Or is it just that the software side is too fragile still with races upon races and the code just happens to work with the other device by chance? WSOD fixes that don't quite work right? What to try to narrow it down, what data to put out (and where, really)? (Yeah excuse me, I'm getting somewhat frustrated after spreading moko awareness 'round here and trying to keep optimistic, but problems upon problems with critical functionality where one has no idea whether the device is just trash already or if it's maybe possibly still salvageable sometime, somewhere, if the drivers actually worked, *sigh*.) -- Mikko Rauhala m...@iki.fi - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/blog/ The Finnish Pirate Party - http://piraattipuolue.fi/ World Transhumanist Association - http://transhumanism.org/ Singularity Institute- http://singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
But how do I use it? Do I have to first put a condom on my Freerunner? It would be cool, if it had a web interface so I could control it from my computer over WIFI. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Carlo Minucci ge...@napodano.com wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] Foresight Linux
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:09 PM, xaos x...@xaositects.com wrote: Has anyone checked out Foresight Linux's mobile interface? Looking at their interface for gnome (http://www.foresightlinux.org/img/screenshots/mobile-launcher.png) it looks like something that might fit for the Debian on OM distribution [anyone else ever notice how Debian on OpenMoko spells DOOM?(if a little liberal with the acronym anyway)]. I haven't played with that interface on a notebook, but I plan on it and will report my findings... They're using Ubuntu mobile interface so I guess we'd better get it from there if we want it in Debian. -- Alexandre Franke ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Okay; two Freerunner units, one restores semi-okay, one's screen | typically goes all black after an otherwise successful restore (not | before showing the appropriate display for a moment though), doesn't I wouldn't assume this is a kernel issue, but if you think it might be, you should try andy-tracking kernel from git or here: http://people.openmoko.org/andy and see if it changes the behaviour. The suspend and resume action is very different in these 2.6.28 kernels. There's also this opowerd thing that wants to manage resume actions including backlight. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklH0yQACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqgVwCdH0eel9le/VhaAksC6e+voBx+ lL8AoILkpurOZbcb9ImRUDKXJC1g0vwR =gxsD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] Building
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, got my development machine now working and have build both the kernel following Toolchain [1] and build the fso-image using the manual section of [2], which points to the oe page [3]. As per [3] I got the openembedded with a git checkout git clone git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded I have two questions about all this. I've downloaded the above openembedded repository. and it builds fine. But is there a more up-to-date open moko repository? I know that the web page [3] states: If you want to build FSO's unstable branch then include the following two lines at the end of local.conf: require conf/distro/include/fso-autorev.inc require conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc Is that all I need to do. Sounds so simple ;-) My other question is that I built the kernel using toolchain [1] instructions and my bitbake fso-image also built the kernel. I assume that I can use the toolchain produced kernel and the bitbake produced filesystem. Can I tell Bitbake not to waste it's time building the kernel? Thanks for any pointers [1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Building_Openmoko_Kernel_from_git_repo_using_Toolchain [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_FSO [3] http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJR9YVXlbjSJ5n4BARApt7AJ9XQ+3fmbD+hOmp8ZYLxYrhCZwGDgCgw7sA DVwboh5LnHfRBw+9zJlEYUI= =sYHw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: paroli development
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hej, sorry it took a bit. As there was not much response I thought this might be due to lack of communication from my part. I have to admit paroli is rather well hidden right now, but I am working to change that. So far I am happy to say, that after some hard work and great help by many of the Openmoko team, we managed to merge paroli and tichy to a proof of concept version, which currently is available as a single package version under the name of tichy. The package can be found in the testing repository and installed via opkg. It does allow basic telephony, messaging and contacts administration. However, it is by no means stable. We combined 2 approaches that still need to find their boundaries in their new marriage. One of the results of the rather turbulent honeymoon is that you have to fiddle 2 small things in the package as not all last minute changes were equally distributed across all files ;) Once opkg install tichy is processing, It will create desktop files which allow you to start tichy and the applications. For the dbus service to work you need to add 2 files. add: !DOCTYPE busconfig PUBLIC -//freedesktop//DTD D-BUS Bus Configuration 1.0//EN http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/dbus/1.0/busconfig.dtd; busconfig policy user=root allow own=org.tichy.launcher/ allow send_path=/Launcher/ allow send_destination=org.tichy.launcher/ allow receive_sender=org.tichy.launcher/ /policy /busconfig to /etc/dbus-1/system.d with the name tichy.conf and [D-BUS Service] Name=org.tichy.launcher Exec=/usr/bin/tichy-launcher User=root to /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services with the name org.tichy.launcher.service We hope to improve our coordination to minimize those small but yet fatal glitches, but 12000km and 7hrs distance can be rather tricky ;) Once you fixed the two files you should press the TLauncher icon on your desktop. It will need to work a bit, depending on the network and such up to 25 sec actually. Than you can use the tele, people, messages or i/o icon to launch any of the applications. In the miserable event that it crashes simply press the TLauncher icon again, copy the error message from /tmp/tichy.log into your favorite mail-client and pop us a mail ;) Please to not be scared by unexpected colors or a rather incomplete design. We focused on the interaction of the different parts and languages to see if it was possible to build a scalable phone-stack in python and efl which would against all odds not make its user wait for too long. Certainly you will have to wait every now and again, but we are confident we can solve these issues and provide a set of tools that will allow for easy and fast development. As I wrote this package has proof of concept status and we are currently trying to define our next steps in order to see how we will proceed, but we are happy to have reached this point and are thirsty for more ;) Stay tuned for updates! /mirko Giorgio Marci wrote: Hi to all, does someone has tasted the application paroli to manage calls, messages and contacts? is this a working release? which is the development status? thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a *Free* Account at www.mail.com http://www.mail.com/Product.aspx! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklHyPQACgkQlgX1BiMLFSiBiwCfbDp5Yg9pwvBf1V2+RAOnUPDs jasAoI5YbpLHU16ClEm7+ENtTVMcLO7o =jVpQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Illume/Debian] How to customize Illume?
I want to customize Illume like this: - the AUX button will pull down the top-shelf. The top shelf will show itself over full-screen applications such as Evince. - The top-shelf will have a screen-lock button, similar in function to the current behaviour of AUX. How can this be achieved? -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM daily testing image
Yes i have an SD card installed and in it is installed QTExtended 4.4.2 distribution! (kernel in the primary vfat partition and the rootfs in the secondary ext3 partition). why should be a problem? - Original Message - From: John Lee To: Giorgio Marci Subject: Re: OM daily testing image Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:08:16 +0800 wild guess: do you have a sd card installed? what is in it? - John On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 01:41:38PM +0100, Giorgio Marci wrote: Yesterday i had installed the daily testing release 20081215 (jffs and kernel) and its was nice, i was able to make and receive call, send and receive messages and other stuff but the suspend didn't work!! if the phone goes to suspend mode, it never wake up and i have to remove the battery! I think this is a kernel issue. How could i resolve? maybe in the today daily testing kernel image the problem has fixed..or could i use any stable kernel without problem? thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
2008/12/16 Carlo Minucci ge...@napodano.com: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi, will this allow us to control the FR vibration or some other devices (like sinulator or whatever) attached to it? Davide ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem with registration of new project
It seems that projects.om.org is going to be closed soon. Read here http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1661304 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Carlo Minucci ge...@napodano.com wrote: (sorry for my bad english) anyone have problem with registration of new projet on http://projects.openmoko.org/ when i try i receive a denied message ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: That's what i did a few hours ago :) What about next updates? If new packages are available, do you recommend to flash or upgrade? I recommend to update/upgrade, and reflash if you witness anormal behavior. Though when you're supposed to reflash, I usually say so on the ML, and I'll say so on the SHR blog from now on. -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Question about contact list
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Please support certain naming conventions on SIM contacts and subsequent combining of contacts in virtual SIM contacts like described here: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2085 This will make it more enjoyable using current SIM contacts. Could you please open a ticket on shr.bearstech.com/trac for that ? -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Question about contact list
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: Hi folks, I was pondering trying SHR but looking around on the Wiki and the SHR Trac I couldn't see any information as to whether it supports importing vcard files into its contact database.Can anyone clue me in please ? There's no contact database, as we use frameworkd. So right now the contact database is your SIM. We're waiting for opimd integration to work further on this topic. As for vcard import, even if it doesn't exist right now, it should be easily doable for name/number (SIM limitations...) -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM daily testing image
that's exactly the problem... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8#Known_Issues check QPE high cpu usage reboot after you made the change. - John On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 03:49:04PM +0100, Giorgio Marci wrote: Yes i have an SD card installed and in it is installed QTExtended 4.4.2 distribution! (kernel in the primary vfat partition and the rootfs in the secondary ext3 partition). why should be a problem? - Original Message - From: John Lee To: Giorgio Marci Subject: Re: OM daily testing image Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:08:16 +0800 wild guess: do you have a sd card installed? what is in it? - John On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 01:41:38PM +0100, Giorgio Marci wrote: Yesterday i had installed the daily testing release 20081215 (jffs and kernel) and its was nice, i was able to make and receive call, send and receive messages and other stuff but the suspend didn't work!! if the phone goes to suspend mode, it never wake up and i have to remove the battery! I think this is a kernel issue. How could i resolve? maybe in the today daily testing kernel image the problem has fixed..or could i use any stable kernel without problem? thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:08 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: First of all, i didn't meant to be rude : when i said that SHR is my current favorite distro, i mean it. I didn't think you were rude :-) I was using a jffs from 3 or 4 days ago, only the opkg upgrade from this morning broke some things (i didn't reflash yet). And breakage is part of development, so, it just happens :) Well, as I said before, it may happen that an opkg upgrade will break things. We can't, at this point of our development, plan an update path for every little update. This is time consuming, and, even more disturbing, we don't have enough devices to test that anyway :-) -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy McNaughton jeremy.mcnaugh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just wanting to bring some balance to your (otherwise respectful) comment. Not affiliated to OM, blabla, things like that. I just wanted to chime in on this. I bought the phone not realizing how useless as a phone it would be. And now it's been months, and I still can't rely on it as a phone. Well, maybe it's because I bought the phone for later, still planning to use my old Nokia as a regular phone until Neo's ready, but I'm all in all pretty surprised. In a good way. Of course there's been ups and downs. Every now and then, I tried a new image/distro, and found it awesome at first. As days go by and bugs occurs, I've been less and less enthusiastic, until I tried a new one. With the release of QtExtended 4.4, I tried to put my old Nokia back into the drawer, and use the Neo as my main phone. That whole process was eased thanks to my business dedicated phone, so I wasn't completely left out in the cold even when QTE failed. But for the first time, I was able to put and get calls, without my callers/ees complaining all the time about the echo. The sound wasn't that nice, but it's a cellphone after all, and not so long ago every single cellphone sounded like that. Due to some rather irritating bugs in QTE (high-pitched loud noises from the loudspeaker when answering a call - quite disturbing for co-workers - and duplicating text messages), I tried to move to FSO. And, quite frankly, I'm starting to believe I'll keep this one for a while. I've witnessed no echo nor buzzing yet, been able to send and receive text messages without my them mating like rabbits on viagra - sorry for your antispams, guys) and so on. Of course, I didn't try GPRS nor WiFi, and GPS isn't working as well as it could (well, not at all for now, but I'm investigating it). But at least I can keep it running 24h/day, ssh it and play with it when I feel like it, and still having a working and (as far as I can tell) reliable phone. Until then it sits on a shelf, only getting used every few weekends to test a few images. I'll keep checking the wiki and the lists to see how things are going. But I want to write apps, not troubleshoot echoes and battery problems. I don't know how much time you have, but things are way better when you try it for real than when you read about it. The idea one can get from reading that list is that nothing is working and everyone bitter. From real life testing, it's not that wrong, at least not for everybody. I understand mileage may vary upon several factors (provider, SIM model, Neo revision, lunar month, so on), but for me it's worth the try. I think what Openmoko Inc. really needs is better community relations. It seems that a lot of the dissatisfaction in the community stems from a feeling of being left out of the loop. As a casual member of the community, it is really hard to keep track of what is going on with the project. Once again, it's easier when you're participating, even when it's only testing. Had a few problems posted here, and got some nice feedback, even from OM Inc. people. It really should be hard to keep track when not in it. Looking from the outside, it really seems as though the Openmoko Inc. team is working in isolation, cathedral style. Maybe you should start looking from the inside. The door is wide open :) I would love to see company engineers and developers in constant dialog with the community about the work they are doing on a daily basis. Many open source projects have a blog Planet site, where you can read entries from developers explaining the bugs they are fixing and features they are designing and implementing. This sort of daily interaction would beat a weekly single page of point form notes hands down. Well, I'd rather see them improving OM than in constant dialog. What's most people has been ranting about is the closed fashion of the _design_. And that might be true, but I'm not involved at all in that part (well, even less involved than in the other parts, to be fair) and couldn't notice it. Not that I don't like reading regular updates from developers, but I much prefer running regular updates of their software ;) Sometimes it seems as though Openmoko is depending on community members to fill roles such as maintaining the wiki. For the past view months that I've been reading the wiki and monitoring pages there has been a lot of stale, outdated and confusing information. At various points it has been impossible for me to figure out which kernel to use with which filesystem for a particular distro release within the amount of time I can allot to Openmoko. That's a good point. It's hard to guess what to use and how. But then again, there are so many options out there (FSO, SHR, QTE, ASU and co, Android, ...), with most of them not depending on Openmoko, that it's might be hard for them to maintain documentation about it. Keeping up
Re: Black SOD for a change
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Andy Green a...@openmoko.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Okay; two Freerunner units, one restores semi-okay, one's screen | typically goes all black after an otherwise successful restore (not | before showing the appropriate display for a moment though), doesn't I wouldn't assume this is a kernel issue, but if you think it might be, you should try andy-tracking kernel from git or here: http://people.openmoko.org/andy and see if it changes the behaviour. The suspend and resume action is very different in these 2.6.28 kernels. There's also this opowerd thing that wants to manage resume actions including backlight. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklH0yQACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqgVwCdH0eel9le/VhaAksC6e+voBx+ lL8AoILkpurOZbcb9ImRUDKXJC1g0vwR =gxsD -END PGP SIGNATURE- happened to myself once as well by using the latest testing repos! Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: OpenVibe is out
With this software you can control the vibration of the FreeRunner for give pleasure to your girlfriend. It's better than some SPAM emails I get :-) Carlo Minucci wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) Brilliant, I haven't laughed so much for ages! XorA ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Tysiace zabawnych wierszyk�w.Dodaj swoj Sprawdz http://link.interia.pl/f1fcd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:07 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: In fact there was an hidden question :) Do you recommend currently to flash or to opkg upgrade to avoid breakage? I do understand that things may break. No problem. Just trying to reduce the odds ;) Not knowing which revision you're using, at which state and such, I'd recommend to reflash. -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qi bootloader not working afther flash?
jos wrote: Hello, Being new here I have to say sorry for my English! My question is: I have been trying to flash the bootloader on my new FR, this is what I did: debian:/home/jos/neo# ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3c2442-master_2ad3ce6ff57753e3.udfu dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=34, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name=u-boot Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=540 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode debian:/home/jos/neo# Looks good !? After power down (battery taken out) restarting with aux and power button I get the same screen with menu as before, is this correct? How can I see that Qi now is beeing used (and not uboot?) i flashed exactly the same bootloader and it works fine (faster) when you want to flash press aux and power on (bahviour is as before) RTFM J ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
A completely new era for telephone sex :-) What a pity that the FR doesn't have a camera module (yet)... Come to think of it an apache web server would be useful too, so users of the FR could serve their clients on the run. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Margo Koppelmann margo.koppelm...@gmail.com wrote: But how do I use it? Do I have to first put a condom on my Freerunner? Good question. I'm not sure whether the included pouch is safe enough. It would be cool, if it had a web interface so I could control it from my computer over WIFI. GPRS, dude. So you can control it from _everywhere_ ;) -- Olivier M. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] Question about contact list
Hi folks, I was pondering trying SHR but looking around on the Wiki and the SHR Trac I couldn't see any information as to whether it supports importing vcard files into its contact database.Can anyone clue me in please ? cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Margo Koppelmann margo.koppelm...@gmail.com wrote: But how do I use it? Do I have to first put a condom on my Freerunner? Good question. I'm not sure whether the included pouch is safe enough. Of course, not. The latex is the best material for shrouding everything that would go inside your body, except for latex-allergics. If you are going to inser something on your body that is not specifically designed for that, condoms are the best choice to avoid infections. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
Hi, I just wanted to chime in on this. I bought the phone not realizing how useless as a phone it would be. And now it's been months, and I still can't rely on it as a phone. I was, and still am, excited about writing some python apps for the phone. But frankly I don't see myself doing that until the phone actually works. Until then it sits on a shelf, only getting used every few weekends to test a few images. I'll keep checking the wiki and the lists to see how things are going. But I want to write apps, not troubleshoot echoes and battery problems. I think what Openmoko Inc. really needs is better community relations. It seems that a lot of the dissatisfaction in the community stems from a feeling of being left out of the loop. As a casual member of the community, it is really hard to keep track of what is going on with the project. Looking from the outside, it really seems as though the Openmoko Inc. team is working in isolation, cathedral style. I would love to see company engineers and developers in constant dialog with the community about the work they are doing on a daily basis. Many open source projects have a blog Planet site, where you can read entries from developers explaining the bugs they are fixing and features they are designing and implementing. This sort of daily interaction would beat a weekly single page of point form notes hands down. Sometimes it seems as though Openmoko is depending on community members to fill roles such as maintaining the wiki. For the past view months that I've been reading the wiki and monitoring pages there has been a lot of stale, outdated and confusing information. At various points it has been impossible for me to figure out which kernel to use with which filesystem for a particular distro release within the amount of time I can allot to Openmoko. It looks like the future phone GUI we'll be using is Paroli, which is part of Tichy. Tichy looks really interesting, and will likely be a major part of the Openmoko development platform. If that's the case, why has there been so little information about either project? Openmoko you have this community of users who are still enthusiastic about your product. Do yourself a favour and learn how to keep us interested by opening the lines of communication. Look at other major open source projects that have successfully cultivated active communities around their products. How did they do it? Ubuntu's community didn't happen by accident, it happened by design. Jeremy McNaughton On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:28 AM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2008 10:55:35 arne anka wrote: sorry, but i fail to understand how this relates to the question of power consumption. and doesn't shr use fso as well? Sorry, I'm not explaying myself... #1024 is annoying me a lot for two reasons 1) If I want to receive calls with phone suspended, I have only one option: SHR As SHR is based in FSO, I suppose you're right, FSO should also work. But only SHR works out of the box. I have tried FSO M4, but I haven't tried to force calypso to never deep sleep. 2) Not deep sleeping, power consumption is not optimal. I know continuously reconnecting consumes more power, but we're consuming more than necessary. And my battery lifetime is not the best in the world ;) I can live without PIM, without calendar, even without Doom ;), but I do need GSM telephony for my work. Having this bug solved, probably I could use FR as daily phone, and be more active on community. I think a lot other people are on the same situation as me. But, as you can read on Steve Mosher's answer, there is one person actively working on this bug. Great news! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
roguem...@roguewrt.org schrieb: [ 204.715000] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcs2 [ 204.72] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcsa2 Essentially the Neo is now a brick. I'm wondering where to go from here. I have installed 2008 version of the s/w on the phone. Unfortunately without the exact steps you took to get into this situation, we're unable to determine the correct steps to get you out. The most generic answers would be: 1). Reflash with your preferred distribution. 2). Boot from SD Card, access the flash memory and correct your mistake. Although I'm not sure if '2)' is possible as I've never tried. I've only ever come in from the other direction (modify SD from flash). Potentially, if it is simply the x server not starting, you may still be able to ssh in via usb and correct your mistake. I *might* just have the same problem. I tried opkg-upgrading my FDOM (OM2008.9) to testing, and now booting stops with the same messages the original poster has seen, plus the same vor vcs1 and vcsa1. Haven't found a way to fix this, unfortunately, as ssh doesn't seem to be running. The kernel however is still alive, responds to pings and prints out information about the changed power state when plugging in the charger or the usb cable. Regards, Konstantin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: OpenVibe is out
With this software you can control the vibration of the FreeRunner for give pleasure to your girlfriend. It's better than some SPAM emails I get :-) But raises me a doubt. I think there are a few girls that own the Freerunner, and I suppose not all of them have girlfriends, but could be interested anyway. On the other hand, a few men without girlfriend can find the application equally pleasant. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
Olivier Migeot wrote: GPRS, dude. So you can control it from _everywhere_ ;) A completely new era for telephone sex :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
Nice! What we can do with this tool? which are the implemented features? - Original Message - From: Carlo Minucci To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: OpenVibe is out Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:17:05 +0100 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
Is this going to be the reference application to test controlling interfaces and protocols like wifi, usb, bleutooth, gprs, sms, gsm, atd (auto startup at certain date time), gps (auto startup on certain cooridinates), motion detection... :S On Tue, December 16, 2008 14:18, andi wrote: Olivier Migeot wrote: GPRS, dude. So you can control it from _everywhere_ ;) A completely new era for telephone sex :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
Nathan Kinkade wrote: 2008/12/15 KaZeR ka...@altern.org: snip 2008/12/15 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: and maybe add a rotate option Just turn the phone sideways. ;-) Rotating an image is easy on a hand-held device. Nathan I guess that the point is that a landscape picture is better displayed in landscape mode :) What about omnewrotate + neon ? :-) I know, I was just being a smartass. I'm using omnewrotate and at the moment neon doesn't seem to handle it quite right. At the moment I get a jumble of menus , buttons and part of the image all overlapping. http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_normal.png http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_rotated.png That said, this program is just released and so far look really amazing. I quickly write a fix for this bug, thx. A new version 0.9.2 is available. https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=239 Regards, Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
2008/12/16 Olivier Migeot larry...@gmail.com Margo Koppelmann wrote: It would be cool, if it had a web interface so I could control it from my computer over WIFI. GPRS, dude. So you can control it from _everywhere_ ;) Wow, this is like becoming Stelarchttp://www.stelarc.va.com.au/pingbody/index.htmlfor the masses, at least, in the sensitive parts :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
you can allways start x11vnc on neo and control it through vncclient :) 2008/12/16 Margo Koppelmann margo.koppelm...@gmail.com: But how do I use it? Do I have to first put a condom on my Freerunner? It would be cool, if it had a web interface so I could control it from my computer over WIFI. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Carlo Minucci ge...@napodano.com wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OM daily testing image
Yesterday i had installed the daily testing release 20081215 (jffs and kernel) and its was nice, i was able to make and receive call, send and receive messages and other stuff but the suspend didn't work!! if the phone goes to suspend mode, it never wake up and i have to remove the battery! I think this is a kernel issue. How could i resolve? maybe in the today daily testing kernel image the problem has fixed..or could i use any stable kernel without problem? thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
On 12/16/08 Jeremy McNaughton wrote: Openmoko you have this community of users who are still enthusiastic about your product. Do yourself a favour and learn how to keep us interested by opening the lines of communication. [snip] Jeremy Your post was very long with many points. Most specifically about engineering and development. We try to talk as opening as possible about engineering work. I can assure you of that. Have you subscribed to the kernel list? The development list? Most of the talk on this list (community) is about things outside of those topics. If there are specific quesetions or problems you have, please just ask questions. Let's get practical together. Most of us at Openmoko, Inc. read these lists. Your comments helps us improve. We're constantly growing and looking to find areas where are very limited internal resources can produce maximum results. Comparing us to Ubuntu is great. I love this challenge. Please keep in mind we're building a company, hardware, a softwarwe distribution, and trying to sell enough Neos to stay in business. That's a lot of moving parts. Adjusting your expectations of what we can do in a short amount of time is helpful. We need your support as much as anyone else's to keep things moving in the right direction. Thanks again for your comments. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
well put. I have not had time to get to the community list tonight-- err this morning. I'll address as many of these as possible. Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 12/16/08 Jeremy McNaughton wrote: Openmoko you have this community of users who are still enthusiastic about your product. Do yourself a favour and learn how to keep us interested by opening the lines of communication. [snip] Jeremy Your post was very long with many points. Most specifically about engineering and development. We try to talk as opening as possible about engineering work. I can assure you of that. Have you subscribed to the kernel list? The development list? Most of the talk on this list (community) is about things outside of those topics. If there are specific quesetions or problems you have, please just ask questions. Let's get practical together. Most of us at Openmoko, Inc. read these lists. Your comments helps us improve. We're constantly growing and looking to find areas where are very limited internal resources can produce maximum results. Comparing us to Ubuntu is great. I love this challenge. Please keep in mind we're building a company, hardware, a softwarwe distribution, and trying to sell enough Neos to stay in business. That's a lot of moving parts. Adjusting your expectations of what we can do in a short amount of time is helpful. We need your support as much as anyone else's to keep things moving in the right direction. Thanks again for your comments. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: i listened... i was the one who put it there to start with as i knew it was needed/wanted. i haven't been doing ui's for x/linux for over a decade for nothing :) sorry, forget to add an exception for you. you listened (also on irc) and (i'm sure) defended our interests when you were employed by openmoko keep up the good work ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] Foresight Linux
On Tuesday 16 December 2008 16:07:37 Alexandre Franke wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:09 PM, xaos x...@xaositects.com wrote: Has anyone checked out Foresight Linux's mobile interface? Looking at their interface for gnome (http://www.foresightlinux.org/img/screenshots/mobile-launcher.png) it looks like something that might fit for the Debian on OM distribution [anyone else ever notice how Debian on OpenMoko spells DOOM?(if a little liberal with the acronym anyway)]. I haven't played with that interface on a notebook, but I plan on it and will report my findings... They're using Ubuntu mobile interface so I guess we'd better get it from there if we want it in Debian. IIRC the ubuntu mobile launcher is clutter based and I don't believe that this runs on the freerunner. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Stage of GTA03 development?
Hello! As proud Freerunner owner I'm interested in how the development of GTA03 goes. I'm not going to buy it - there is still a lot of fun with FR, but it would be interesting to know something about next open phone. Wiki page is outdated and there is no updates on ML. Does someone know how everything is going with gta03? 1. What case design is chosen? 2. What gsm chip? 3. How will it be called? 4. When is release date (+/- 3 month :)) ? 5. Price estimate. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:17:05PM +0100, Carlo Minucci wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe i have make the first release of the OpenVibe: the first opensource vibrator :) enjoy :) I gotta say I had a huge LOL moment with the project AND specially with the thread. It made my day :) Rui -- This statement is false. Today is Setting Orange, the 58th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Illume/Debian] How to customize Illume?
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:28:03 +0100 joa...@verona.se wrote: I want to customize Illume like this: - the AUX button will pull down the top-shelf. The top shelf will show itself over full-screen applications such as Evince. - The top-shelf will have a screen-lock button, similar in function to the current behaviour of AUX. How can this be achieved? I think you should start messing around with the theme. Install the tools required to decompile and recompile E17 theme code: opkg install libevas-saver-png edje-utils cpp cpp-symlinks libembryo-tests Decompile the theme, and edit the edc file: cd /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes edje_decc illume.edj cd illume vi freerunner.edc Not completely sure that's the right place but seems logical to me. Correct me if I'm wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Illume/Debian] How to customize Illume?
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:19:41PM +0200, Yogiz wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:28:03 +0100 joa...@verona.se wrote: I want to customize Illume like this: - the AUX button will pull down the top-shelf. The top shelf will show itself over full-screen applications such as Evince. - The top-shelf will have a screen-lock button, similar in function to the current behaviour of AUX. How can this be achieved? I think you should start messing around with the theme. Install the tools required to decompile and recompile E17 theme code: opkg install libevas-saver-png edje-utils cpp cpp-symlinks libembryo-tests Decompile the theme, and edit the edc file: cd /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes Better yet than the above: mkdir -p ~/.enlightenment/data/themes cd ~/.enlightenment/data/themes cp /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj . Then proceed as written: edje_decc illume.edj cd illume vi freerunner.edc Not completely sure that's the right place but seems logical to me. Correct me if I'm wrong. The only mistake, IMHO, is to change the default file needlessly when you can change a local copy which will override the system one, even if the system one is upgraded. If you want to revert, it'll be also quite easy, just remove your local version from ~/.enlightenment/data/themes Rui -- All Hail Discordia! Today is Setting Orange, the 58th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.com wrote: Nathan Kinkade wrote: 2008/12/15 KaZeR ka...@altern.org: snip 2008/12/15 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: and maybe add a rotate option Just turn the phone sideways. ;-) Rotating an image is easy on a hand-held device. Nathan I guess that the point is that a landscape picture is better displayed in landscape mode :) What about omnewrotate + neon ? :-) I know, I was just being a smartass. I'm using omnewrotate and at the moment neon doesn't seem to handle it quite right. At the moment I get a jumble of menus , buttons and part of the image all overlapping. http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_normal.png http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_rotated.png That said, this program is just released and so far look really amazing. I quickly write a fix for this bug, thx. A new version 0.9.2 is available. https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=239 Regards, Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I have downloaded the latest version, but I can't find the fullscreenbutton, where are you hiding it? :) r...@om-gta02 /var/volatile/tmp $ opkg list_installed |grep neon neon - 0.9.2-r0 - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: working SIM install, network problems - FIXED
Finally have a phone that connects (or did connect before I updated it) to the internet. I actually renumbered my LAN to make the phone work. Since I ran the update on the phone, default install, connecting back to the internet has been broken. I did read in the list that there was a one line fix for it. many thanks to all that helped me out in this adventure. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Ok, since I asked, I'll answer too. Tim Dobson wrote: What phone is in your pocket right now? none. My Freerunner is on a lanyard round my neck though. What distro is it running? Why? FDOM (latest 'stable' image) Because I don't like installing applications if I can help it. I find installing applications (and hacking the installs) a quick way to nuke your install. What do you use your phone for the most? Sending text messages What distros have you tried? (not very recently) 2007.2, 2008.8 (possibly 2008.9 as well), Qtopia (briefly) What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? A nokia 3310 as an alarm clock and phone book. (I realise FDOM does both of these, but I easily oversleep, so I set reminders on the phone every 2 minutes after the initial alarm and the qtopia-x11 doesn't seem to let me move contacts from isntall to install easily :-/ ) Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? The people who hack away on uncool programs, do things they may not enjoy but provide the necessary infrastructure for everyone else to do the things they want. What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? Obviously OpenMooCow does the least useful thing, but it still brings a smile to your face, probably The GIMP running in debian on the freerunner was what I thought was the most pointless thing, however, I could be very wrong there and I for one would be interested in seeing the FR work as a graphics tablet.. What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? A vibrator is the funniest hack I have seen... The starmap, orrey, is one of the most innovative ideas the the potential Doom and DukeNukem3d have shown (even with less than ideal situations with graphics drivers) for 1 first person acceerometer control FPS is amazing. I could go on... In the future I want to use it as my Personal Music Player, but I trod on one of the ear phones and it broke and haven't got round to getting some more yet :( Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? Q: What's the difference between a Freerunner and a brick? A: A brick isn't designed to make phone calls. Though, to be honest, this hasn't been my experience of it really, I use it as my phone every day! -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qwerty keyboard
what about that: decompile the asu and the illume theme with edje_decc (follow wiki instructions) then copy the keyboard part from the illume.edc into the asu.edc the buildscript will probably reporte an error about size:...not known or something like that. delete the line that causes the error and re-run build.sh. i customized my theme, when i was using 2008.9 and it worked (you have to copy the pngs that the illume theme uses for the virtual keyboard into the aus.theme working directory, ofcourse!) this should work, since you already have the qwerty button in the top bar backup your asu theme (just the edj file) before you try this Alright, I tried it today but build.sh keeps complaining that the png-s arent there although I copied them into the same folder from the illume one. Are they declared somewhere or what's wrong? r...@om-gta02:# ls bt_dis_hilight.png bt_dis_hilight.png r...@om-gta02:# sh build.sh edje_cc: Error. Unable to find image name bt_dis_hilight.png. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
new sim(ATT:SKU 71247)
Hi, I just got my neo freerunner and I got a sim from ATT, its a 3G the sku is 71247. Its not in the list here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT It fits on the contacts physically but it only says Registering... when I boot up. Should I update the firmware as explained here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing ? Or would it be better to ask att to provide me with an older sim card? thanks -M -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Question about contact list
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:36:19 pm Julien Cassignol wrote: There's no contact database, as we use frameworkd. So right now the contact database is your SIM. We're waiting for opimd integration to work further on this topic. Thanks for that Julien. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
2008/12/16 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: snip I have downloaded the latest version, but I can't find the fullscreenbutton, where are you hiding it? :) r...@om-gta02 /var/volatile/tmp $ opkg list_installed |grep neon neon - 0.9.2-r0 - It's on the main screen at the top right, just below the exit icon, which is now smaller to accommodate the fullscreen toggle button. Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new sim(ATT:SKU 71247)
2008/12/17 Mathieu Dube m...@dubix.org: It fits on the contacts physically but it only says Registering... when I boot up. Should I update the firmware as explained here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing ? Or would it be better to ask att to provide me with an older sim card? you might want to try re-seating it first. my card (vodafone nz) didn't always work first time, i had to physically move it around a couple of times before it registered ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new sim(ATT:SKU 71247)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 09:36:46AM +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: you might want to try re-seating it first. my card (vodafone nz) didn't always work first time, i had to physically move it around a couple of times before it registered well it seems to fit right on. the FR's contacts left little marks on the SIM contacts and their right in the middle of the 8 little squares. I dont know if you see what I mean but I doubt its a physical problem... -M -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit and espeak trouble
Am Dienstag 16 Dezember 2008 12:37:38 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Hi, I think I have figured out why navit sometimes seems to hang (except it calculates big routes). After killing my last navit session I have seen espeak still running, but it did not say anithing :-) Is this a known problem ? I am currently using ASU 2008/8 with a timestamp at 16, Nov 2008. Navit is the latest 0.1.0 release. Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Hi, do you use espeak with speech-dispatcher? and btw, did it speak german? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Leonti Bielski schrieb: Hello! As proud Freerunner owner I'm interested in how the development of GTA03 goes. I'm not going to buy it - there is still a lot of fun with FR, but it would be interesting to know something about next open phone. Wiki page is outdated and there is no updates on ML. Does someone know how everything is going with gta03? 1. What case design is chosen? 2. What gsm chip? 3. How will it be called? 4. When is release date (+/- 3 month :)) ? 5. Price estimate. Leonti If i were openmoko (some person inside who knows about it), i would not answer this questtion(s), because some people would react like omg, you are rippig us off. I still can't use my fr as a daily phone. the optimization team was disbanded, because you guys are focusing on the next gen device, while the fr still lacks a lot of features/stability/etc.. just my opinion ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new sim(ATT:SKU 71247)
2008/12/17 Mathieu Dube m...@dubix.org: you might want to try re-seating it first. my card (vodafone nz) didn't always work first time, i had to physically move it around a couple of times before it registered well it seems to fit right on. the FR's contacts left little marks on the SIM contacts and their right in the middle of the 8 little squares. I dont know if you see what I mean but I doubt its a physical problem... i see what you're getting at, yes. mine appeared to be seated correctly also, but still took a bit of jiggling around to get it right. is was all very unscientific - it could have been a complete coincidence, software updates, oxidized contacts, grease on the pads, position of the moon, etc, etc. ymmv ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qwerty keyboard
Yogiz schrieb: what about that: decompile the asu and the illume theme with edje_decc (follow wiki instructions) then copy the keyboard part from the illume.edc into the asu.edc the buildscript will probably reporte an error about size:...not known or something like that. delete the line that causes the error and re-run build.sh. i customized my theme, when i was using 2008.9 and it worked (you have to copy the pngs that the illume theme uses for the virtual keyboard into the aus.theme working directory, ofcourse!) this should work, since you already have the qwerty button in the top bar backup your asu theme (just the edj file) before you try this Alright, I tried it today but build.sh keeps complaining that the png-s arent there although I copied them into the same folder from the illume one. Are they declared somewhere or what's wrong? r...@om-gta02:# ls bt_dis_hilight.png bt_dis_hilight.png r...@om-gta02:# sh build.sh edje_cc: Error. Unable to find image name bt_dis_hilight.png. One stupid question: is this the first image that is linked? (not by alphabetical order, by line-number) remote-diagnostics without additional info is quite thing would you dare to email a compressed (zip/tgz/ar/whatever) version of your working directory? ...maybe directly to the ml... shouldn't be such a big file since the asu theme doesn't use many pics ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ATT sim 71234G 3022 not working in FR
Hi, My ATT sim 71234G 3022 is not working in Neo Freerunner. This sim is shown as working one in the link. (My sim exactly resembles the one listed as working) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards#Working_and_not_working_AT.26T_card When I use a 71234O 4122 sim card it is working. What are my options now ? 1. sim card seating: As specified in a number of places I am still trying to reseat the sim and somehow make it work http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT 2. GSM flashing as in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing I am not sure it will work as I have a new Freerunner. 3. Cheap gsm sim cards: Any cheap simcards that have high possibility to work ? and options where I can buy. -- Regards, Rajendran.T ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ATT sim 71234G 3022 not working in FR
Do 2 first. It's easy, cheap, useful, and who knows what else it will fix? On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Rajendran Thirupugalsamy rajendran.thirupu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My ATT sim 71234G 3022 is not working in Neo Freerunner. This sim is shown as working one in the link. (My sim exactly resembles the one listed as working) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards#Working_and_not_working_AT.26T_card When I use a 71234O 4122 sim card it is working. What are my options now ? 1. sim card seating: As specified in a number of places I am still trying to reseat the sim and somehow make it work http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT 2. GSM flashing as in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing I am not sure it will work as I have a new Freerunner. 3. Cheap gsm sim cards: Any cheap simcards that have high possibility to work ? and options where I can buy. -- Regards, Rajendran.T ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
I don't think closing such information (which is not any dangerous inside info) would be a good policy for a company which main goal is creating an OPEN phone ;) Some of the questions like availability and price are not important to me because I'm not going to buy it anyway, but I'm interested in specifications :D Leonti On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote: Leonti Bielski schrieb: Hello! As proud Freerunner owner I'm interested in how the development of GTA03 goes. I'm not going to buy it - there is still a lot of fun with FR, but it would be interesting to know something about next open phone. Wiki page is outdated and there is no updates on ML. Does someone know how everything is going with gta03? 1. What case design is chosen? 2. What gsm chip? 3. How will it be called? 4. When is release date (+/- 3 month :)) ? 5. Price estimate. Leonti If i were openmoko (some person inside who knows about it), i would not answer this questtion(s), because some people would react like omg, you are rippig us off. I still can't use my fr as a daily phone. the optimization team was disbanded, because you guys are focusing on the next gen device, while the fr still lacks a lot of features/stability/etc.. just my opinion ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about Openmoko
ok, with all the old smartphones going on sale unlocked for as low as $99-$149, how soon can i buy a moko for $99 (i'd prolly take three) mike --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com wrote: From: Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com Subject: [openmoko-announce] Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about Openmoko To: annou...@lists.openmoko.org Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 3:33 AM Dear Community The other day I was working on a year-in-review letter when Minh (the incredible community update author) ask me if I would be willing to answer questions about community matters. I would love to! was my response. What a relief, I thought to myself, as I was seriously stuck trying to find the right words to describe all that happened in 2008. So if you're interesting in taking part in this interview, please send your questions to Minh. Nothing is off limits. Your questions will help me immensely as I review what we have experienced and what meaning it holds for us moving forward. Happy holidays to all. Sincerely, Sean PS: Below is Minh's original post: --- From:Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date:Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:43:13 +0100 Subject: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL
Joel, any update on this? On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us wrote: I'm going to talk to the guys at work tomorrow and show them the rework PDF - we are equipped to make this fix, could probably offer it inexpensively to those nearby (southeastern North Carolina) or those willing to ship. (among other things - like security systems and internet services - we repair handheld radios and wireless broadband networking gear, including replacing BGAs and more mundane SMD components) I'm betting we have the resistors on hand, would probably need to order a hundred or so of the caps. I'll post back here if the answer is positive. We're located in Hamlet NC, near Ft Bragg, but we're gearing up to offer repairs nationwide for specific wireless networking gear, so shipping and processing of customer repair items in/out is forthcoming anyway, this is just a different board with a much simpler fix to be performed, I'm just not sure they'll be interested in offering it as inexpensively as I'd like. j On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:29:32 -0800, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: If guys raise there hand to help others out I'll come up with a program to help them out/ reward them. If you are willing to raise your hand, drop me a mail. st...@openmoko.com Sargun Dhillon wrote: Very cool. Now, all the hardware hackers out there who want to make a buck to fix our Free runners, raise your hands. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Probably best to send the requests directly to Joerg. Vasco Névoa wrote: I'd really like pictures with better focus and a little more light... especially the last one, which is very blurred! Citando Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com: Sorry, I pulled the old copy. See below SOP paper (draft3, 2008-12-10 19:00) placed here: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf Please have a look and report on any mistakes or things that need improvement. Thanks jOERG Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/12/10 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com: The DRAFT fix for the buzz problem is here: CP of joerg's mail. http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT!!__.pdf I'm getting 404 for this URL. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about Openmoko
Those are subsidized prices. Sometimes you can get them used for $99. I never buy used phones as they usually are broken. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM, mike wmichaeltr...@yahoo.com wrote: ok, with all the old smartphones going on sale unlocked for as low as $99-$149, how soon can i buy a moko for $99 (i'd prolly take three) mike --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com wrote: From: Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com Subject: [openmoko-announce] Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about Openmoko To: annou...@lists.openmoko.org Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 3:33 AM Dear Community The other day I was working on a year-in-review letter when Minh (the incredible community update author) ask me if I would be willing to answer questions about community matters. I would love to! was my response. What a relief, I thought to myself, as I was seriously stuck trying to find the right words to describe all that happened in 2008. So if you're interesting in taking part in this interview, please send your questions to Minh. Nothing is off limits. Your questions will help me immensely as I review what we have experienced and what meaning it holds for us moving forward. Happy holidays to all. Sincerely, Sean PS: Below is Minh's original post: --- From:Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date:Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:43:13 +0100 Subject: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about Openmoko
Sargun Dhillon wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM, mike wmichaeltr...@yahoo.com wrote: ok, with all the old smartphones going on sale unlocked for as low as $99-$149, how soon can i buy a moko for $99 (i'd prolly take three) Those are subsidized prices. Sometimes you can get them used for $99. I never buy used phones as they usually are broken. Umm It's not too hard to work out actually. For the Neo 1973: Find 3 current owners who aren't using it and make them an offer. For the Neo Freerunner: Wait til GTAv3 is released and then watch as the price of second hand Freerunners plummet as all the developers and hackers upgrade... For better or for worse, they all will. there's community for you. Well... there's the answer. Don't ask me when GTAv3 will be released though... :p Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new sim(ATT:SKU 71247)
On Tuesday 16 December 2008, Mathieu Dube wrote: Hi, I just got my neo freerunner and I got a sim from ATT, its a 3G the sku is 71247. Its not in the list here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT It fits on the contacts physically but it only says Registering... when I boot up. Should I update the firmware as explained here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing ? Or would it be better to ask att to provide me with an older sim card? Updating the GSM firmware to moko10 will probably let it recognise your SIM. It worked for my O2 UK 3G SIM. If you feel comfortable following the procedure described then give it a go. It worked as described for me, and I don't think anyone's bricked the GSM by following it. If you don't feel comfortable with the flashing procedure then go for the replacement SIM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Hi, Minh Ha Duong schrieb: Dear friends, You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. here my questions: Question 1 Are you willing to talk about marketing figures? How many devices have been sold. Freerunner? Neo 1973? Other (OEM) Hardware provided by Openmoko? Question 2 Who are the people behind the mentioned design team? What future plans does the design team work on that may be of interest to the community? Question 3 What will be the preferred strategy to release information to the community in the future: Make official announcements or have (frustrated) employees leak it to the community? Question 4 Which activities and liaisons with partners other than the community is/was Openmoko involved currently and in the past year? Things that come to my mind are italian goverment, Dash, ...? What's the status? Thanks for asking, Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Marc Bantle wrote: Question 1 Are you willing to talk about marketing figures? How many devices have been sold. Freerunner? Neo 1973? Other (OEM) Hardware provided by Openmoko? That's a good question I hadn't thought of, I'd love to hear some details on that :) -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SD card read error in u-boot
Hi, I tried to switch from the original 512MB SD card (which works fine with my gta02v5) to a 2GB Kingston card labeled SDC/2GB 30870-001.A00LF TAIWAN. but with this 2GB card I get read errors even in u-boot (both NOR from May 9 and NAND from Oct 7). mmcinit shows --- GTA02v5 # mmcinit cmd 0x8, arg 0x1aa flags 0x75 Error after cmd: 0xfffc Card Type: SD Manufacturer: 0x41, OEM 42 Product name: SD2GB, revision 1.0 Serial number: 336592896 Manufacturing date: 4/2007 MMC/SD size:503MiB --- note the cmd error and wrong size :-( that 2GB SD card works fine in my notebook and a Nokia mobile phone. ext2ls usually only shows the following error GTA02v5 # ext2ls mmc 1:2 Failed to mount ext2 filesystem... ** Bad ext2 partition or disk - mmc 1:2 ** sometimes there is some dir listing, but typically intercepted with ext2 read errors: GTA02v5 # ext2ls mmc 1:2 DIR 1024 . DIR 1024 .. DIR 12288 lost+found DIR261 sys cmd 0x10, arg 0x200 flags 0x15 Error after cmd: 0xfffc cmd 0x11, arg 0x1dd96a00 flags 0x235 Error after cmd: 0xfffc cmd 0x10, arg 0x200 flags 0x15 Error after cmd: 0xfffc cmd 0x11, arg 0x1dd96a00 flags 0x235 Error after cmd: 0xfffc [...] cmd 0x10, arg 0x200 flags 0x15 Error after cmd: 0xfffc cmd 0x11, arg 0x1dd96a00 flags 0x235 Error after cmd: 0xfffc DIR 2048 etc DIR 262146 tmp cmd 0x10, arg 0x200 flags 0x15 Error after cmd: 0xfffc cmd 0x11, arg 0x1dd96a00 flags 0x235 Error after cmd: 0xfffc cmd 0x10, arg 0x200 flags 0x15 Error after cmd: 0xfffc cmd 0x11, arg 0x1dd96a00 flags 0x235 Error after cmd: 0xfffc DIR 2048 sbin DIR 1024 usr DIR 1024 opt DIR 1024 lib DIR 1024 proc DIR 1024 home DIR 2048 bin DIR 1024 media DIR 1024 var DIR 1024 boot DIR 1024 dev DIR 1024 mnt GTA02v5 # fatls on partition 1 typically works, I can load the kernel from fat, but the kernel never is able to mount the ext2 rootfs. fsck of that e2 partition with my notebook doesn't show errors is it possible in u-boot to tune/test different glamo sd settings (clk, power) ? is there any chance to use this (such a) card _reliably_ inclding u-boot (not only with kernel parameters like glamo_mci.sd_post_power_clock=100) ? thanks for any help! Harald -- I hope to die ___ _ before I *have* to use Microsoft Word., 0--,|/OOO\ Donald E. Knuth, 02-Oct-2001 in Tuebingen._/ / /OOO\ \ \/OOO\ \ O|// \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Harald Koenig // / \\ \ koe...@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de ^ ^ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Okay; two Freerunner units, one restores semi-okay, one's screen | typically goes all black after an otherwise successful restore (not | before showing the appropriate display for a moment though), doesn't I wouldn't assume this is a kernel issue, but if you think it might be, you should try andy-tracking kernel from git or here: http://people.openmoko.org/andy and see if it changes the behaviour. The suspend and resume action is very different in these 2.6.28 kernels. I have the same thing with the older kernel. The device is working after resume, but the screen is black. On the contrary, the newest andy-tracking fails to resume in the first place :-), the phone is just dead until I pull out the battery and boot again. Any hint on how to get a usable kernel? One that gives 2 days of battery life as someone reported would be best :-) Zjedz dzis kolacje przy swiecach! Ministerstwo ¦rodowiska radzi: oszczedzaj energie elektryczna! http://video.interia.pl/obejrzyj,film,104060 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] Building
Am Tuesday 16 December 2008 17:23:49 schrieb Arigead: My other question is that I built the kernel using toolchain [1] instructions and my bitbake fso-image also built the kernel. I assume that I can use the toolchain produced kernel and the bitbake produced filesystem. Can I tell Bitbake not to waste it's time building the kernel? Try adding ASSUME_PROVIDED += virtual/kernel or ASSUME_PROVIDED += linux-openmoko to your local.conf. If it goes through (might not work because of missing module packages), you will have missing modules in your rootfs though. (Nearby: A kernel build is quick... I would just let bitbake build it. You don't have to use it) -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Am Tuesday 16 December 2008 20:08:05 schrieb Leonti Bielski: 2. What gsm chip? Cinterion mc75i -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Konstantin wrote: roguem...@roguewrt.org schrieb: [ 204.715000] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcs2 [ 204.72] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcsa2 Essentially the Neo is now a brick. I'm wondering where to go from here. I have installed 2008 version of the s/w on the phone. Unfortunately without the exact steps you took to get into this situation, we're unable to determine the correct steps to get you out. The most generic answers would be: 1). Reflash with your preferred distribution. 2). Boot from SD Card, access the flash memory and correct your mistake. Although I'm not sure if '2)' is possible as I've never tried. I've only ever come in from the other direction (modify SD from flash). Potentially, if it is simply the x server not starting, you may still be able to ssh in via usb and correct your mistake. I *might* just have the same problem. I tried opkg-upgrading my FDOM (OM2008.9) to testing, and now booting stops with the same messages the original poster has seen, plus the same vor vcs1 and vcsa1. Haven't found a way to fix this, unfortunately, as ssh doesn't seem to be running. The kernel however is still alive, responds to pings and prints out information about the changed power state when plugging in the charger or the usb cable. It's really hard to say. I know first hand that an opkg upgrade to testing can cause this. The original poster was having other issues aswell however. I'd say if your problems aren't intermittent then you may just have a bad upgrade. I'm tempted to think the dropbear problem is back aswell, as I overwrote all config files, the default a while back prevented ssh access except for localhost? or something silly. I remember having to modify the startup script via the om terminal app. Either way, I think using a testing image before opkg upgrading via testing is probably a better option. I haven't tried the FDOM script ... at all ... or FDOM for that matter ... but I imagine it would apply to testing? Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit and espeak trouble
Christian Anke wrote: Am Dienstag 16 Dezember 2008 12:37:38 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Hi, I think I have figured out why navit sometimes seems to hang (except it calculates big routes). After killing my last navit session I have seen espeak still running, but it did not say anithing :-) Is this a known problem ? I am currently using ASU 2008/8 with a timestamp at 16, Nov 2008. Navit is the latest 0.1.0 release. Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Hi, do you use espeak with speech-dispatcher? and btw, did it speak german? I use it with speech-dispatcher and navit speaks german. You just have to set the language before starting navit (LANG variable). Ciao, Rainer PS: I only use it with debian. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Illume/Debian] How to customize Illume?
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:27:56 + Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org babbled: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:19:41PM +0200, Yogiz wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:28:03 +0100 joa...@verona.se wrote: I want to customize Illume like this: - the AUX button will pull down the top-shelf. The top shelf will show itself over full-screen applications such as Evince. - The top-shelf will have a screen-lock button, similar in function to the current behaviour of AUX. How can this be achieved? I think you should start messing around with the theme. Install the tools required to decompile and recompile E17 theme code: opkg install libevas-saver-png edje-utils cpp cpp-symlinks libembryo-tests Decompile the theme, and edit the edc file: cd /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes Better yet than the above: mkdir -p ~/.enlightenment/data/themes cd ~/.enlightenment/data/themes cp /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj . Then proceed as written: edje_decc illume.edj cd illume vi freerunner.edc Not completely sure that's the right place but seems logical to me. Correct me if I'm wrong. The only mistake, IMHO, is to change the default file needlessly when you can change a local copy which will override the system one, even if the system one is upgraded. If you want to revert, it'll be also quite easy, just remove your local version from ~/.enlightenment/data/themes actually ~/.e/e/themes - but yes. right idea :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:59:17 +0100 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com babbled: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: i listened... i was the one who put it there to start with as i knew it was needed/wanted. i haven't been doing ui's for x/linux for over a decade for nothing :) sorry, forget to add an exception for you. you listened (also on irc) and (i'm sure) defended our interests when you were employed by openmoko i hope i did. i like to be frank and open about anything. even when i disagree with you guys - i make sure i fully argue my case and why. maybe the community will then go h now that makes sense! or... maybe you convince me i'm wrong :) it always should work out for the best. most of the time things are just a matter of not enough hours in the day to do everything. i come from the community - have been doing oss dev for a long time - and intend to continue. i do hope openmoko succeeds. it would be a shame that a great concept like an open phone you really can hack any way you like (be you a qte person, or you like your android, or you prefer your x world with windowmanagers you choose - or write yourself) and know that the producer is NOT putting barriers between you and getting the stuff you want - not artificial ones like closing documentation, putting signed bootloaders that require signed kernel/os images etc. etc., simply technical ones that are a pure bi-product of the hardware as-is. this should not die. it holds promise for the community and many others besides. so here's thumbs up to om so in the future the promise of an open phone doesn't die with the freerunner. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:13:39 +0100 Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com babbled: I don't think closing such information (which is not any dangerous inside info) would be a good policy for a company which main goal is creating an OPEN phone ;) Some of the questions like availability and price are not important to me because I'm not going to buy it anyway, but I'm interested in specifications :D actually - it makes sense not to be open. why? you cannibalise sales on the freerunner as people go ooh.. ok. i'll just wait for gta03 instead of buying gta02. so it's bad business to go parading around your next gen device while you still sell the existing one (before the next gen is for sale). :) Leonti On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote: Leonti Bielski schrieb: Hello! As proud Freerunner owner I'm interested in how the development of GTA03 goes. I'm not going to buy it - there is still a lot of fun with FR, but it would be interesting to know something about next open phone. Wiki page is outdated and there is no updates on ML. Does someone know how everything is going with gta03? 1. What case design is chosen? 2. What gsm chip? 3. How will it be called? 4. When is release date (+/- 3 month :)) ? 5. Price estimate. Leonti If i were openmoko (some person inside who knows about it), i would not answer this questtion(s), because some people would react like omg, you are rippig us off. I still can't use my fr as a daily phone. the optimization team was disbanded, because you guys are focusing on the next gen device, while the fr still lacks a lot of features/stability/etc.. just my opinion ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR not charging after 2 weeks of inactivity
2008/12/17 Diego Fernández Durán di...@goedi.net: The last two weeks I've been very busy and meanwhile I put the FR in a high shelve to avoid the distraction. Now, after two weeks my FR appears to be in a deep sleep. I can't turn it on. If I connect it to the charger it does nothing! look on the wiki, there's an answer to this problem ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Tuesday 16 December 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:13:39 +0100 Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com babbled: I don't think closing such information (which is not any dangerous inside info) would be a good policy for a company which main goal is creating an OPEN phone ;) Some of the questions like availability and price are not important to me because I'm not going to buy it anyway, but I'm interested in specifications :D actually - it makes sense not to be open. why? you cannibalise sales on the freerunner as people go ooh.. ok. i'll just wait for gta03 instead of buying gta02. so it's bad business to go parading around your next gen device while you still sell the existing one (before the next gen is for sale). :) Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an example as I used to work on a site where cameras weren't allowed, but keypads and screen resolution have polarised opinions before too. I'm still waiting for the Psion 5 form factor with modern guts ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
I already bought 4 Freerunners. I don't really think I'm getting many more. Now tell me, what's next? On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 16 December 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:13:39 +0100 Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com babbled: I don't think closing such information (which is not any dangerous inside info) would be a good policy for a company which main goal is creating an OPEN phone ;) Some of the questions like availability and price are not important to me because I'm not going to buy it anyway, but I'm interested in specifications :D actually - it makes sense not to be open. why? you cannibalise sales on the freerunner as people go ooh.. ok. i'll just wait for gta03 instead of buying gta02. so it's bad business to go parading around your next gen device while you still sell the existing one (before the next gen is for sale). :) Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an example as I used to work on a site where cameras weren't allowed, but keypads and screen resolution have polarised opinions before too. I'm still waiting for the Psion 5 form factor with modern guts ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR not charging after 2 weeks of inactivity
On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/12/17 Diego Fernández Durán di...@goedi.net: The last two weeks I've been very busy and meanwhile I put the FR in a high shelve to avoid the distraction. Now, after two weeks my FR appears to be in a deep sleep. I can't turn it on. If I connect it to the charger it does nothing! look on the wiki, there's an answer to this problem http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
