Booting GTA02v6 without battery (was: Re: Need battery help in DC area)

2009-05-10 Thread Paul Fertser
The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com writes:
 Uhhh, since when? The FR can't even run off of pure USB power for more than a 
 few seconds.

I can assure you i tried it myself on GTA02v6 many times and on most
tries i could boot to NOR without battery. Probably it depends on how
fast host can enumerate the device but for me it was enough to hold
AUX, then plug USB, in case it didn't work hold AUX again, press
POWER... Something like that in most cases lead me to NOR boot menu
and there the battery can be charged.

HTH
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Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-10 Thread Hans Zimmerman
Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 22:18, Hans Zimmerman h...@everlasting.be wrote:
 My update sequence showed some errors.
 Actions executed:
 opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli
 opkg update
 opkg upgrade
 opkg install frameworkd paroli
 - paroli did not install because of conflict with the file
 /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj with elementary-themes
 opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive
 opkg install paroli
 opkg install paroli-autostart paroli-sounds
 - paroli did not want to start because of missing dependency
 opkg install python-elementary
 - paroli starts, waiting for someone to call me on saterday night :)
 
 
 opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive was really wrong!!! You
 should use -force-depends...
 

-force-depends makes warnings out of errors regarding dependency checks.
I'm personally against overruling errors. If the systems says there is 
an error there is an error, if it should be a warning, it should say 
it's a warning.


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Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-10 Thread Hans Zimmerman
Angus Ainslie wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 22:18 +0200, Hans Zimmerman wrote:
 My update sequence showed some errors.
 Actions executed:
 opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli
 opkg update
 opkg upgrade
 opkg install frameworkd paroli
 - paroli did not install because of conflict with the file 
 /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj with elementary-themes
 opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive
 
 This was the wrong way to solve it. You should have done 
 
 opkg install -force-overwrite paroli 


opkg files elementary-themes listed the file as being part of this 
package. Would -force-overwrite remove this reference aswell or would 
both paroli and elementary-themes reference this file as being part of 
the packages?

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Re: Need battery help in DC area

2009-05-10 Thread arne anka
 I'm guessing it will run for a while, but after 20 seconds or so it will
 die. That's what mine does.

the few times i got a dead battery it was enough to plug in the fr to the  
wall charger and leave it alone for a few hours.
then it was able to boot and thus to charge.

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Re: [SHR] Messages Contact Lookup

2009-05-10 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 01:37, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net wrote:
 On Sunday 10 May 2009 01:13:26 Dan Staley wrote:
 I just flashed the latest SHR unstable (built today) and all sms
 messages still just get a number displayed instead of a name for me,
 even if the person is in my contacts list.  The lookup seems to work
 fine on incoming calls though.

 Can anyone else confirm this behavior?

 Same here...

Are you talking about message list, or message view? In message view
it works, on list it isn't implemented. It will be very soon, with
opimd integration.

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Re: [SHR] Messages Contact Lookup

2009-05-10 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 00:24, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
 I was considering taking a peek into it for adding real contacts (and not
 those on the SIM card)...

You can do it now. Just use libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 instead of
-efl, and you will see opimd based contacts gui. It's buggy now, but
we are working on it. Right now it supports SIM, CSV and SQLite
backends.

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Re: Booting GTA02v6 without battery (was: Re: Need battery help in DC area)

2009-05-10 Thread Daniel.Li
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 10:10 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com writes:
  Uhhh, since when? The FR can't even run off of pure USB power for more than 
  a few seconds.
 
 I can assure you i tried it myself on GTA02v6 many times and on most
 tries i could boot to NOR without battery. Probably it depends on how
 fast host can enumerate the device but for me it was enough to hold
 AUX, then plug USB, in case it didn't work hold AUX again, press
 POWER... Something like that in most cases lead me to NOR boot menu
 and there the battery can be charged.

Well, I think maybe u hw has fixed problem.

Make sure your battery never discharges completely. 
This is an issue because the internal charging circuitry can not be
turned on until the FreeRunner has booted, and booting through USB power
alone does not work on early A5/6 devices.


From http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#know_issues 
 
 HTH
-- 
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PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net)



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Re: [2.6.28+ kernel] usb host/device mode switcher

2009-05-10 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 02:39, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 where are you finding the revision you quoted?

In shr-unstable, as it was said before ;)

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Re: How to use FR as a mass storage device?

2009-05-10 Thread Johny Tenfinger
SHR Settings NEVER had option to set mass storage mode. It was only
unprogrammed toggle in early versions of shr-settings. It's removed
until someone will implement it.

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Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-10 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 09:31, Hans Zimmerman h...@everlasting.be wrote:
 -force-depends makes warnings out of errors regarding dependency checks.
 I'm personally against overruling errors. If the systems says there is
 an error there is an error, if it should be a warning, it should say
 it's a warning.

You are correct. But you are also wrong ;) Don't forget we are talking
about such crap, which opkg is.

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Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-10 Thread Hans Zimmerman
Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 09:31, Hans Zimmerman h...@everlasting.be wrote:
 -force-depends makes warnings out of errors regarding dependency checks.
 I'm personally against overruling errors. If the systems says there is
 an error there is an error, if it should be a warning, it should say
 it's a warning.
 
 You are correct. But you are also wrong ;) Don't forget we are talking
 about such crap, which opkg is.
 

lol, I'm not judging how crappy opkg is, it's probably working as 
designed :p

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Re: How to use FR as a mass storage device?

2009-05-10 Thread Ben Wilson
samba works too.

Ben.

Daniel.Li wrote:
 On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 13:17 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   
 On Sun, 10 May 2009 10:20:30 +0800 Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com said:

 
 Dear List,

 Well, I found that copying files to FR is quite difficult with
 tftp/wget. Is there any way simple, like usb(mass storage device, just
 like a thumb drive)

 Or there might be something i missed, please redirect me to the correct
 page. Thanks.
   
 also remember - usb storage is block-based. it could ONLY export the micro-sd
 card, and while exported it cannot be visible/mounted on the phone, so its a
 lot of caveats.

 use scp - simplest way, or better, nfs export from the phone (u'll need to 
 add
 some packages). :)
 


 Hum... nfs is a really good idea. 

 a) I have got below items, which one should I install? 

 b) Is it same as configuration on x86 paltform (/etc/exports)?


 kernel-module-nfs - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805
 +f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4 - nfs kernel module
 kernel-module-nfs - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119801
 +b4136a36f31a65d0998a328465df9e8e2ba93166-r3.4 - 
 kernel-module-nfs-acl - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805
 +f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4 - nfs-acl kernel module
 kernel-module-nfs-acl - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119801
 +b4136a36f31a65d0998a328465df9e8e2ba93166-r3.4 - 
 kernel-module-nfsd - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805
 +f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4 - nfsd kernel module
 kernel-module-nfsd - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119801
 +b4136a36f31a65d0998a328465df9e8e2ba93166-r3.4 - 
 task-base-nfs - 1.0-r80 - Merge machine and distro options to create a
 basic machine task/package
 task-base-nfs-dbg - 1.0-r80 - Merge machine and distro options to create
 a basic machine task/package
 task-base-nfs-dev - 1.0-r80 - Merge machine and distro options to create
 a basic machine task/package
   
 

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Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-10 Thread Alexey Shvetsov
On Воскресенье 10 мая 2009 09:14:59 Angus Ainslie wrote:
 On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 00:49 +0400, Alexey Shvetsov wrote:
  On Суббота 09 мая 2009 17:36:55 Angus Ainslie wrote:
   New feature's in the FSO framework
   - Configurable ntp server
   - Automatic time setting ( requires GPS or network connection )
   - Automatic timezones for mutlizone countries
 
  This dont works =( At least for me

 What didn't work ? Did you have a network connection ?

 Can you provide a log ?

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009#Debugging_and_Bug_Reporting


Its here  http://trac.freesmartphone.org/attachment/ticket/337/

Problem is that its trying to assign first timezone available for countrycode
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Re: DON'T PANIC

2009-05-10 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2009/5/9 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com:
 tried the shr-unstable feeD?

$ wget 
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/shr-splash-theme-dontpanic_1.1-gitr20+855b61e3e556d0b5e6703ddd3d7837510024e73e-r3_arm
v4t.ipk
$ opkg install 
shr-splash-theme-dontpanic_1.1-gitr20\+855b61e3e556d0b5e6703ddd3d7837510024e73e-r3_armv4t.ipk

Very cool!

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Re: Finger friendly keyboards

2009-05-10 Thread Dario
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen ha scritto:
I'm using it on Debian, including for terminal use. The only features I
 miss are

- autorepeat.
- a smaller version for stylus use so you have more of the screen
  available. 

   


In the latest version try to start from one outer region, trace 
counterclockwise til the same region and proceed 1, 2, n regions more to 
reduce 1x, 2x ,nx size ;) e.g. start from region 1, proceed to 
4-7-8-9-6-3-2-1-4  to reduce 1x time.
Rounding clockwise obviously enlarges ;)
For me too qwo rocks! :)
Bye! :)


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Re: [SHR] I18N

2009-05-10 Thread Vinzenz Hersche
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cat /etc/profile.d/lang.sh
sourced=0
r...@om-gta02 ~ $

end of /etc/profile:

alias pico=nano
alias fso='cd /local/pkg/fso'
alias ipkg='opkg'
export PS1=\[\033[01;32m\...@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w $\[\033[00m\] 
export DISPLAY=localhost:0
export HISTFILESIZE=1000
export HISTSIZE=1000
export LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
alias rm='rm -i'; alias cp='cp -i'; alias mv='mv -i'
alias la='ls  -ltrA'; alias lh='ls  -ltrh'; alias lr='ls  -ltr';
alias lR='ls  -ltrR'
sourced=0
/etc/profile.d/lang.sh

don't know why, but nothing of them doesn't work.. the settings are in 
english, illume is in english and all the applications are also in english.. 
what's my fault?

On Samstag, 9. Mai 2009 14.59:05 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
 On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 02:43:00AM +0400, ivvmm wrote:
  Like in every normal GNU/Linux distribution create an executable sh
  script in /etc/profile.d/ (better to name it lang.sh) where put lines
 
  #!/bin/sh

No:

 $ head -n 3 /etc/profile.d/lang.sh
 # /etc/profile.d/lang.sh - set i18n stuff

 sourced=0

  export LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
 
  do not forget to make it executable.

No:

 $ ls -l /etc/profile.d/lang.sh
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2693 11 nov 17:59 /etc/profile.d/lang.sh

  /etc/profile is responsible for launching that script.

No, it includes the script. Otherwise, something like lang.sh wouldn't
 work.


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Re: Next cofundus OM competition idea

2009-05-10 Thread Morten

I'd also vote for A2DP pairing and sound setup in a finger friendly manner.
I'd also like it to use elementary as gui, since it's the only framework
that's got ok speed. GTK is just too slow (and ugly) =/
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Miscellaneous small SHR issues

2009-05-10 Thread Pander
Hi all,

I am running SHR unstable (with which I am very happy) but have some
small issues that could easily be fixed and improve SHR immediately.

1) Sending multipart SMS results in no SMS being received by receiving
party.

2) I don't car if it is Qi, kernel or distro, but can these messages
disappear at boot time:
  '... Unknow boot option ...'

3) Almost the same question about the '...  callback ...' messages
when suspending. I simply don't care about them.

4) I'm still using my Sony Ericsson SIM contacts in that have names in
the form Last;First/1 see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2085 A
simple:

semicolon = name.find(';')
type = name.find('/')
if semicolon != -1 and type != -1 and len(name) == type + 2:
name = name[semicolon+1:type] + ' ' + name[:type]

can fix displaying these contacts. Can this be applied for the lookup
mechanism in the dailer, messages, phonelog and contacts?

5) After today, upgrade, I get this warning:

Error loading module
... connman/linux-gnuabi-arm-ver-pre-svn-01/n ...
would you liketo unload this module

Is this module obsolete now or did something go wrong with my upgrade?

6) Many applications run in debug loggin level (.e.g. phonelog). What
would be a good script to set an entire unstabel distro and all its
applications from a debug/info/warning/error to a warning/erroronly level?

Thanks,

Pander

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[debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 2: apt-get-file

2009-05-10 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
   For part 1, please see the mailing list archive:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/043753.html

   Below you will find a shell script to install a package from a .deb, .opk
or .ipk file on a Debian system. It will

- download the package if necessary.
- repack gzipped tar archives if necessary (some *.ipk).
- edit the control file for Debian compatibility (*.opk and *.ipk).
- jump through hoops so apt-get can be used for installation,
so dependencies can be resolved necessary.
- delete all temporary files created.

   Dependencies: dpkg-dev wget file binutils tar gzip

   Usage: apt-get-file [--verbose] install file [apt-get options]

   I'm sure there are still small bugs around the edges, so this is only
alpha quality. I'm posting the script now because it mostly does what it's
supposed to do and I want to get some feedback.

   Example run:

# ~rask/bin/apt-get-file install 
http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk
--2009-05-10 06:49:26--  
http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk
Resolving projects.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.218
Connecting to projects.openmoko.org|88.198.93.218|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 13214 (13K) [application/binary]
Saving to: `ledclock_0.6_all.ipk'

100%[] 13,214  
--.-K/s   in 0.1s

2009-05-10 06:49:28 (99.5 KB/s) - `ledclock_0.6_all.ipk' saved [13214/13214]

 ** Packages in archive but missing from override file: **
  ledclock

 Wrote 1 entries to output Packages file.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  python-pygtk python-subprocess python2.6-minimal
Suggested packages:
  binfmt-support
Recommended packages:
  python2.6
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  ledclock python-pygtk python-subprocess python2.6-minimal
0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 112 not upgraded.
Need to get 1331kB/1344kB of archives.
After this operation, 4780kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? 
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
  python-pygtk python-subprocess ledclock
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
Get:1 http://ftp.dk.debian.org experimental/main python2.6-minimal 2.6.1-3 
[1330kB]
Get:2 http://nospamnospam.homepage.dk  python-pygtk 2.14.1-2 [576B]
Get:3 http://nospamnospam.homepage.dk  python-subprocess 2.6.1-3 [582B]
Fetched 1331kB in 2s (451kB/s)  
debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed
Selecting previously deselected package python-pygtk.
(Reading database ... 45694 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking python-pygtk (from .../python-pygtk_2.14.1-2_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package python2.6-minimal.
Unpacking python2.6-minimal (from .../python2.6-minimal_2.6.1-3_armel.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package python-subprocess.
Unpacking python-subprocess (from .../python-subprocess_2.6.1-3_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package ledclock.
Unpacking ledclock (from .../ledclock_0.6_all.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Setting up python-pygtk (2.14.1-2) ...
Setting up python2.6-minimal (2.6.1-3) ...
Could not find platform dependent libraries exec_prefix
Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to prefix[:exec_prefix]
Setting up python-subprocess (2.6.1-3) ...
Setting up ledclock (0.6) ...
#

   And the script itself:

#!/bin/sh

# apt-get-file - Install package from .deb, .opk or .ipk file.
# Copyright (c) 2009 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen ccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk

#   This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
#   it under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 as
#   published by the Free Software Foundation.

#   This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
#   but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
#   MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
#   GNU General Public License for more details.

#   You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
#   along with this program.  If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/.

exit_clean () {
cd / || true
[ -z ${APTSRC} ]  || rm -rf -- ${APTSRC}
[ -z ${APTLIST} ] || rm -rf -- ${APTLIST}
[ -z ${PKG_TMPDIR} ]  || rm -rf -- ${PKG_TMPDIR}
exit 1
}

trap exit_clean ERR
set -o errexit
set -o errtrace

if [ --verbose = $1 ]; then
shift
AR_VERBOSE=v
TAR_VERBOSE=v
set -o xtrace
else
AR_VERBOSE=
TAR_VERBOSE=
fi

if [ install != $1 ]; then
echo Usage: $0 [--verbose] install file apt-get options
exit 1
fi
shift

PKG_URL=$1; shift
PKG_FILE=$(basename ${PKG_URL})

Re: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?

2009-05-10 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Lothar Behrens wrote:
 Ok,

 thanks. I have a AVM Fritz PCI ISDN card that works with the answering
 machine and the fax software hylafax.
 So I'll give it a try.

 The Fritz is as lspci -v told:

 00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02)
   Subsystem: AVM GmbH FRITZ!Card ISDN Controller
   Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10
   Memory at fdb0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32]
   I/O ports at 9000 [size=32]
   Kernel modules: hisax_fcpcipnp, hisax

 Would that work?

http://voip-manager.net/installation-fritzcard-asterisk.php

Asterisk can be configured to do your answerphone and fax, and a whole lot 
more.

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Re: [debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 2: apt-get-file

2009-05-10 Thread kimaidou
Waou ! This is great ! Thanks for this

Hum, I just tried and I got this error:

debian-gta02:~# apt-get-file install
http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk
trap: 26: ERR: bad trap

Any clue ?


2009/5/10 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk

   For part 1, please see the mailing list archive:
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/043753.html

   Below you will find a shell script to install a package from a .deb, .opk
 or .ipk file on a Debian system. It will

- download the package if necessary.
- repack gzipped tar archives if necessary (some *.ipk).
- edit the control file for Debian compatibility (*.opk and *.ipk).
- jump through hoops so apt-get can be used for installation,
so dependencies can be resolved necessary.
- delete all temporary files created.

   Dependencies: dpkg-dev wget file binutils tar gzip

   Usage: apt-get-file [--verbose] install file [apt-get options]

   I'm sure there are still small bugs around the edges, so this is only
 alpha quality. I'm posting the script now because it mostly does what it's
 supposed to do and I want to get some feedback.

   Example run:

 # ~rask/bin/apt-get-file install
 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk
 --2009-05-10http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk%0A--2009-05-1006:49:26--
 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk
 Resolving projects.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.218
 Connecting to projects.openmoko.org|88.198.93.218|:80... connected.
 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
 Length: 13214 (13K) [application/binary]
 Saving to: `ledclock_0.6_all.ipk'

 100%[]
 13,214  --.-K/s   in 0.1s

 2009-05-10 06:49:28 (99.5 KB/s) - `ledclock_0.6_all.ipk' saved
 [13214/13214]

  ** Packages in archive but missing from override file: **
  ledclock

  Wrote 1 entries to output Packages file.
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 The following extra packages will be installed:
  python-pygtk python-subprocess python2.6-minimal
 Suggested packages:
  binfmt-support
 Recommended packages:
  python2.6
 The following NEW packages will be installed:
  ledclock python-pygtk python-subprocess python2.6-minimal
 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 112 not upgraded.
 Need to get 1331kB/1344kB of archives.
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 #

   And the script itself:

 #!/bin/sh

 # apt-get-file - Install package from .deb, .opk or .ipk file.
 # Copyright (c) 2009 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen ccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk

 #   This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
 #   it under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 as
 #   published by the Free Software Foundation.

 #   This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
 #   but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
 #   MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
 #   GNU General Public License for more details.

 #   You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
 #   along with this program.  If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/.

 exit_clean () {
cd / || true
[ -z ${APTSRC} ]  || rm -rf -- ${APTSRC}
[ -z ${APTLIST} ] || rm -rf -- ${APTLIST}
[ -z ${PKG_TMPDIR} ]  || rm -rf -- ${PKG_TMPDIR}
exit 1
 }


Re: Booting GTA02v6 without battery (was: Re: Need battery help in DC area)

2009-05-10 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 04:40:38PM +0800, Daniel.Li wrote:
 
 Well, I think maybe u hw has fixed problem.
 
 Make sure your battery never discharges completely. 
 This is an issue because the internal charging circuitry can not be
 turned on until the FreeRunner has booted, and booting through USB power
 alone does not work on early A5/6 devices.
 
 From http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#know_issues 

   FWIW, I have an early GTA02v6 (date code: 20080722) and it does usually
boot from USB power and always boots from the charger.

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Hardware mod for starting GTA02v5 without battery? (Was: Need battery help in DC area)

2009-05-10 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 10:36:19PM -0400, Paul Buede wrote:

 Also, does anyone have instruction on how to fix my Freerunner so it can 
 boot off USB or wall charger?  Is it a hardware mod or firmwae upgrade 
 or something?

   It's a hardware mod. It's capacitor C1767, page four of the schematics[1]
at the bottom. There's a (rather poor) picture of a reworked A5 here:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003963.html

   Better picture (of the whole A5 PCB without the rework):
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_cs.JPG

   Electrically, the rework is simple enough: Just connect a larger
capacitor in parallel to the existing one. But it sits under the main can,
so making it fit isn't easy. The picture of the reworked device isn't very
good, but it looks like a capacitor has been connected to the VB_SYS side of
R1768 and to the GND side of C1722.

   See URL:http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-chg/ for an explanation
of the problems GTA02v5 has starting without battery power.

   Btw, where is C1767 itself? I can't find it on either the assembly
silkscreen[2] or the component placement drawing[3]. At 47 uF on the A6, it
ought to be easy to spot.

[1] 
http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf
[2] 
http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/GTA02-MB-A6(50-71481-00)_assembly%20silkscreen.pdf
[3] 
http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Component-placement_Freerunner-GTA02-MB-A6.pdf

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Re: [debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 2: apt-get-file

2009-05-10 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 06:48:20PM +0200, kimaidou wrote:
 Waou ! This is great ! Thanks for this
 
 Hum, I just tried and I got this error:
 
 debian-gta02:~# apt-get-file install
 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk
 trap: 26: ERR: bad trap
 
 Any clue ?

   Maybe. What happens if you replace this

  #!/bin/sh

with this

#!/bin/bash

(assuming you have bash installed)?

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Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-10 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Hi!

Thanks for this new release, really happy to see that only a short
time (a week?) after the previous there's already a new release with
bugs fixed. Release early, release often, as they say :)

I wrote some points below to show what's good, what I concider as
bug/problem and points to discuss/wishlist/something. I'm sure some of
it has already been discussed, some of it is just me not knowing how
to use it (which can mean that it's not easy to use or a
manual/something is needed) and so on. I'm happy to receive comments!

+ This actually makes FR a simple, very working phone!! (I actually
got a 10 min call from my mum. In the end I asked and she said there's
a small echo left)
+ ability to turn off PIN check  change pin! (I think it's the first
distro that can do it :)
+ WLAN-tool
+ manual suspend
+ decent resume speed

- some mess sometimes in the top of the screen
- The button to 'go back / go to previous screen' keeps changing: In
the menu there's a 'back' button (different size in different views)
but in the people etc one has to know to press the top bar to go back.
- Empty I/O shows an 'edit' button.. maybe it should be hidden and
instead a text 'no logged events' could be shown?
- keylock missing
¤ Would it be possible to add a SMS button in the 'People' - contact
view. Now clicking the number calls the user (intuitive? Why clicking
the name nothing happens?). Maybe adding 'dial' and 'SMS' -buttons
there just to make it clear.
- If one by accidentally presses 'Enter in the PIN input view, it just
accepts it and doesn't ask for PIN again.
- wlan scan doesn't have a progress bar telling it's actually doing something
- resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed
only by touching the screen
- GPRS settings: if one by accident clicks 'username', 'APN', or
'password' instead of Connect, one actually has to re-type it because
the 'back' button doesn't work.
- There's nothing (no text/button) telling one should click in the
black area to get to phonebook to select recipient in 'msgs' - '+' or
'Tele'
- Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?)
- the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3
with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working
one' (with mic2) at
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new

¤ How to connect to a hidden WLAN network? How about encryptions?
¤ The numbers in the home view showing missed calls or received
messages could be bigger/colorful/something or even say 'one missed
call' or 'new SMS received'
¤ At some stage I saw the : in the time blinking, then it stopped. I
think it either should blink or not but not keep changing what it does
(without telling me what does it mean :)
¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line?
¤ Icon that's shown before GSM network registration doesn't tell me
anything. What does it actually represent?
¤ The only place where I was able to find colors was the yellow flash
in the battery icon when recharging. Using colors in other places too
would maybe do it easier to use?
¤ With hundreds of phone numbers it'd be great to be able to type at
least the first letter, or two-three to be able to find the
¤ I got many 'can't init topbar/wlan/...' -messages telling that
something failed (only on the first start)
¤ The date doesn't need the | -bars in the home view:  it's | Sunday,
May 10, 2009 |-  the bars just make it more difficult to read
¤ Does paroli (already / in the future?) support icons in the menus?
Either so that there would be a icon grid or like now but every line
would have a small icon just to make it easier to use
¤ GPRS settings: Should the password be hidden? (I don't know if
anyone is really interested in GPRS passwords..)
¤ GPRS settings: maybe APN should be 'internet' by default, I think
it's the most common APN?
¤ GPRS settings: I'd recommend reordering the items so that the
connect would be first or last in the list.
¤ I/O really doesn't tell for a normal people that it's actually the call log..
¤ Msgs could be replaced with SMS, if something short has to be used
¤ Tele also doesn't make sense, I'd suggest using 'Dialer'
¤ How do I use the alarm? How do I change the time when to alert?
¤ Maybe also reordering the main menu so that the phone log would not
be the first one?
¤ At some stage my FR just decided not to resume any more
¤ After the 10min call the UI died, I wasn't able to press any
buttons, nothing happened. Then after waiting some minutes it started
running again. Still the top left shows '100' instead of default or
silent..

So overall, concidering that this makes FR work as a simple phone I'm
really happy! Thank you for your work, I really hope that this
encourages the community on working on OM2009 to make it The Best
Distribution for Freerunner :)

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what hardware version do I REALLY have?

2009-05-10 Thread Doug Jones
I ordered my FreeRunner from the Openmoko store in April 2009.  By that 
time, someone on the list was telling people that all FreeRunners 
currently shipping were hardware version 6 or later.  (I really wanted 
version 7, but decided I didn't want to wait, 6 would be good enough.)

Well, I just did cat /proc/cpuinfo and it said:

Revision : 0350

...which means hardware version 5, I think.


Did they really ship me an older hardware version?


The date code printed inside the phone is 20080605.

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Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?

2009-05-10 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:25, Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to wrote:
 The date code printed inside the phone is 20080605.

I have GTA02v5 with date 20080621. I ordered it in July 2008... So...
They really ship older revision to you :(

You have to live with power hungry AUX led (which is the most
important change for me from v5 to v6) or... Ask Openmoko (maybe
Steve, or someone on sales). Maybe you'll get replacement.

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Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?

2009-05-10 Thread Marcel
Am Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 21:31:16 schrieb Johny Tenfinger:
 On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:25, Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to wrote:
  The date code printed inside the phone is 20080605.

 I have GTA02v5 with date 20080621. I ordered it in July 2008... So...
 They really ship older revision to you :(

 You have to live with power hungry AUX led (which is the most
 important change for me from v5 to v6) or... Ask Openmoko (maybe
 Steve, or someone on sales). Maybe you'll get replacement.

I don't think the aux led is such a significant change, it doesn't light 
that often anyway... I mostly see it on kernel panics which luckily isn't 
that often :D

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Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?

2009-05-10 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:34, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I don't think the aux led is such a significant change, it doesn't light
 that often anyway... I mostly see it on kernel panics which luckily isn't
 that often :D

But other changes are less significant ;) Booting without battery,
which still doesn't work... and SD/GPS fix, which is fixed by software
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Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?

2009-05-10 Thread Marcel
Am Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 21:37:31 schrieb Johny Tenfinger:
 On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:34, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
  I don't think the aux led is such a significant change, it doesn't
  light that often anyway... I mostly see it on kernel panics which
  luckily isn't that often :D

 But other changes are less significant ;) Booting without battery,
 which still doesn't work... and SD/GPS fix, which is fixed by software
 ;)

I'd rate booting without battery more significant for dev work, but that's 
my very personal view. In this case the aux led's power consumption would 
be quite irrelevant since there's usb power available. :)

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Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?

2009-05-10 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:44, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I'd rate booting without battery more significant for dev work, but that's
 my very personal view. In this case the aux led's power consumption would
 be quite irrelevant since there's usb power available. :)

GTA02v5 can work without battery (with disabled GSM of course), it's
only not booting without battery. But if you booted, you can put off
battery and Neo will work only with USB power.

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Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?

2009-05-10 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:25:15PM -0700, Doug Jones wrote:
[snip]
 ...which means hardware version 5, I think.
 
 Did they really ship me an older hardware version?
 
 The date code printed inside the phone is 20080605.

   As far as I can tell, the relationship between date code and PCB revision
is this:

Date code = 20080718 is GTA02v5.
Date code = 20080722 is GTA02v6.

   Someone else (on community, support or hardware list) disassembled a
GTA02 with date code 20080718 and found a PCB revision A5. I disassembled my
GTA02 with date code 20080722 two weeks ago and found a PCB revision A6.

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Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-10 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Just to let you know, downloading
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new
and applying these changes: http://rafb.net/p/upcv1H10.html makes the
audio good, as long as you keep the audio level from paroli not higher
than 80 (change the volume with AUX during the call, the value can be
seen at top left corner).  (the number is the procentage of calypso
self.device.SetSpeakerVolume(int(val)) where max = 256, default is
175=68%).

A new .state (with the two fixes applyed) is available here:
http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state

Would it be possible to include the gsmhandset.state.new with the
fixes in the next testing release?

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Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?

2009-05-10 Thread Doug Jones
Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:34, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I don't think the aux led is such a significant change, it doesn't light
 that often anyway... I mostly see it on kernel panics which luckily isn't
 that often :D
 
 But other changes are less significant ;) Booting without battery,
 which still doesn't work... and SD/GPS fix, which is fixed by software
 ;)



Aargh..

The SD/GPS issue was the one I really wanted to avoid.  I waited for 
many months to order my Neo, just so I could avoid that.  Guess I just 
need to start not believing anything I read on this list.  ;)

I've spent the last month trying out various distros and various SD 
cards, with varying amounts of agony.
Does anyone know of a list somewhere of distros that have the software 
fix and are *known* to work well booted from SD cards 2GB, with GPS 
running?


...AND, if/when somebody succeeds in organizing a buzz fix party in 
California, is there any possibility of upgrading this v5 to v6 and then 
to v7?


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Re: hackable:1 - new release

2009-05-10 Thread Tha_Man


Marcus Bauer-2 wrote:
 
 On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
 Tha_Man jeroenb...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 There is however one thing that prevents me from using my FR as a
 daily phone (based on rev4-preview):
 http://trac.hackable1.org/trac/ticket/52 ticket #52 . 
 
 Can you tell me if this bug is well know, if it is already fixed in
 rev4-rc1 or planned to be fixed in the near feature? 
 
 We'll have a look into it this week as some of the devs are meeting.
 With a bit of luck it gets squashed in the next ten days.
 
 Marcus
 
 
Thanks for your quick reply! (sorry mine is a bit slower :-) ) I've tried
rev4-rc1 and the problems I mentioned are still there: there is no '+' in
front of all my phone numbers from SIM and not all contacts are read. Hope
to hear from you soon!

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Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?

2009-05-10 Thread Chaosspawn23
Doug Jones wrote:
 Aargh..
 
 The SD/GPS issue was the one I really wanted to avoid.  I waited for 
 many months to order my Neo, just so I could avoid that.  Guess I just 
 need to start not believing anything I read on this list.  ;)
 
 I've spent the last month trying out various distros and various SD 
 cards, with varying amounts of agony.
 Does anyone know of a list somewhere of distros that have the software 
 fix and are *known* to work well booted from SD cards 2GB, with GPS 
 running?

I can't give you a list, but I've been using SHR (first testing, now unstable)
from a 4 gig SD card (using qi as the bootloader) for quite some time now.
I also use gps a lot, and did not have any problems with that.
Before that, I used various incarnations of the 2008.X line in the same fashion,
also without problems getting a gps fix since the software fix was released.

Regards,
Konstantin

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Re: How to use FR as a mass storage device?

2009-05-10 Thread Esben Stien
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com writes:

 remember - usb storage is block-based. it could ONLY export the
 micro-sd card, and while exported it cannot be visible/mounted on
 the phone, so its a lot of caveats.

Is it not possible to go around this?. It would be nice if you could
setup directories to be usb storage devices, so that you could tell
freerunner to f.ex setup ~/usb0 to be the current usb storage, so when
you plugged freerunner into a system, that system would see the
freerunner as a usb mass storage device and ~/usb0 would be what it
saw.

Then, later, you could tell freerunner to use ~/usb1 instead and plug
it into another system, which would see that.

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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-10 Thread David Garabana Barro
O Sábado, 9 de Maio de 2009, Craig Woodward escribiu:
  David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote:

 knew what you were getting into, bravo for you.  For us, it doesn't make
 getting hit with a bat any more pleasurable, despite how much you tell us
 you enjoy it.  

You could try to understand what I mean instead of twisting my words.

  [...] if you buzz fix your Neo, and install SHR, Hackable::1

 No... It won't.  I live in the US.  There are no buzzfix parties going on
 here, and I don't have access to the equipment I need to fix it myself. 
 And really, buzz is irrelevant to me, and fixing that one little bug does
 not fix it as a phone.  I need a phone that can use with a bluetooth
 headset, which no release of software I've found can reliably do right now.

Cannot help on this one, sorry. I haven't tried to use it. But I remember 
reading some messages on the list about it.

  I also need something that's going to ring whenever I get a call, most of
 those distros don't do that reliably... I know, I've tried each of them
 almost a dozen times already, since each releases something new almost
 monthly.  

I bet your neo is suffering from #1024. Mine too.
Have you tried to disable Calypso deep_sleep on FSO configuration?
I stopped losing calls since I started to use SHR, which disable deep_sleep by 
default. I couldn't use Neo as phone before discovering it, and now I don't 
lose *any* single call.

Edit /etc/frameworkd.conf:

[ogsmd]
ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never    Check you have this.
modemtype = ti_calypso
ti_calypso_muxer_type = gsm0710muxd

I don't know if you can disable deep sleep on any non-FSO distro.

 For YOU that combo may have worked... for ME, it's not a 
 solution.

Might be. But as now it works for me, I'm just trying to help you make it 
work. If you still want it, of course.


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Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-05-10 Thread c_c

Hi,
 I've been down this weekend with an upset stomach - so no work done
towards releasing intone. Hopefully, I should be able to release in the next
few days.

@jeremy jozwik
is there anything you can do about the audio cutting in and out with
opening applications or while the device is going into auto-dimming
while playing?
 What distribution are you using? It works quite ok for me on SHR-unstable
but I'll change the runlevel in the upcoming release. Would -10 be OK?


Petr Vanek wrote:
 
 do you play your content from nand or from usd card? i have this issue
 too but only when playing from usd card. perhaps some kind of buffer
 would help seems like mplayer does have such an option, has anyone
 tried this?
 
 I don't know of a mplayer buffer for audio output except one that is now 
obsolete (-abs). 

 Could you both try 'renice -10 pid of mplayer' and see if this improves
performance? I'm running mplayer with default priority of 1 as of now.

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Re: [debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 2: apt-get-file

2009-05-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
 debian-gta02:~# apt-get-file install
 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk
 trap: 26: ERR: bad trap

 Any clue ?

The script uses /bin/sh but actually relies on bashisms, so if your
/bin/sh is actually something else (like dash, according to my crystal
ball), you need to tweak the script with a patch such as the one below.


Stefan


=== modified file 'apt-get-file' (properties changed: -x to +x)
--- apt-get-file2009-05-10 19:41:44 +
+++ apt-get-file2009-05-10 19:47:27 +
@@ -23,9 +23,12 @@
 exit 1
 }
 
-trap exit_clean ERR
-set -o errexit
-set -o errtrace
+# Bashisms.
+#trap exit_clean ERR
+#set -o errexit
+#set -o errtrace
+# For Dash.
+trap exit_clean ILL QUIT SEGV HUP 0
 
 if [ --verbose = $1 ]; then
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[SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!

2009-05-10 Thread B
I did an opkg update/upgrade today, and everything in SHR-testing seems 
about the same as before.  Except for the suspend dialog that you get 
when you hit the 'X' button from Illume.  That seems to appear, but it 
is only 1 pixel wide!  Clicking someplace else on the screen makes it go 
away.

Is there an easy way to fix this?


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Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!

2009-05-10 Thread The Digital Pioneer
I had this too, a few days ago. A opkg update/upgrade later and it was
working again. I was nigh unto ecstatic to have it back, I use that suspend
button a lot... :P
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Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-10 Thread Angus Ainslie
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 22:24 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 
 - some mess sometimes in the top of the screen

Yup, please add it to the bug tracker

 - resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed
 only by touching the screen

please add this too.

 - Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?)

My tests only show a 10 second difference between qi and u-boot, I will
start working on this soon. I was trying to get it stable before I
started to optimize

 - the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3
 with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working
 one' (with mic2) at
 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new
 

Oops that was supposed to be in this release I'll see what happened
tomorrow.
 
 ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line?

mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject
org.enlightenment.wm.[List|Set]

 ¤ At some stage my FR just decided not to resume any more

Please send a log 

 ¤ After the 10min call the UI died, I wasn't able to press any
 buttons, nothing happened. Then after waiting some minutes it started
 running again. Still the top left shows '100' instead of default or
 silent..
 

A log would be helpful here too



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Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!

2009-05-10 Thread jeremy jozwik
hmmm ive just tried that with no luck. shr-testing 20090502. do you
happen to know what package the shutdown menu is named?

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:39 PM, The Digital Pioneer
digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had this too, a few days ago. A opkg update/upgrade later and it was
 working again. I was nigh unto ecstatic to have it back, I use that suspend
 button a lot... :P

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Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!

2009-05-10 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/5/11 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com:
 hmmm ive just tried that with no luck. shr-testing 20090502. do you
 happen to know what package the shutdown menu is named?

from shr-user ml:

Ok, a completely new and rebuilt from scratch shr-testing is up. So far it
seems to work nicely... apart from one little (and important) defect. The
illume system menu is broken. It has a width of one pixel only... which makes
hitting the correct button quite difficult :P It came with the update to a
newer version of the e windowing system and is being worked on.

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Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!

2009-05-10 Thread jeremy jozwik
so...  thats a re-flash?

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 from shr-user ml:

 Ok, a completely new and rebuilt from scratch shr-testing is up. So far it
 seems to work nicely... apart from one little (and important) defect. The
 illume system menu is broken. It has a width of one pixel only... which makes
 hitting the correct button quite difficult :P It came with the update to a
 newer version of the e windowing system and is being worked on.

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Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!

2009-05-10 Thread The Digital Pioneer
I use unstable, not testing. I rather enjoy the frequent updates, most bugs
like that disappear quickly. They appear quickly too, but nevermind that. :D
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