Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)

[Vasco Nevoa]

Works for me too! :D

It is my only phone for almost a year now.
Yes, it needs A LOT of attention and tweaking for about 3 months until 
you get it "just right" for yourself, but after that it's "good enough" 
as a phone and GPS, and a pretty good PDA. And yes, the screen is not 
bright enough, and the earpiece not loud enough, and the vibrator not 
strong enough, and the audio/DSP is not perfectly tweaked yet (still 
some people complain in calls); but these are minor complaints when you 
think about all the freedom you get in installing anything you want, to 
use it in ways no other device lets you...

Things I still miss: working out-of-the-box bluetooth integration  
(headsets, PAN), a rock-solid GPRS and Wifi experience (still unstable 
with some kinds of network and encription), and above all, a rock-solid 
kernel.
Some people will, of course, dearly miss the 2D and 3D acceleration 
capabilities that the Glamo chip still does not have active (and 
apparently will never have). But I don't use the FR as a jukebox, so it 
doesn't affect me.

The kernel is, in my opinion, the area where OM (the company) has failed 
more spectacularly; I've never had a kernel that does everything well at 
the same time, and it certainly has passed enough development and 
testing time for that to happen. For example, it is common to have a 
kernel revision that does at least one of these things:
- crash (panic or silent lockup) on wakeup, making you lose calls - 
fortunately very sporadically, about once a month or less;
- ruin networking (drop GPRS or WIFI packets), making a connection stall 
mysteriously;
- corrupt the screen data (random noise in framebuffer) - also very 
sporadic, fortunately;
- make the FR incompatible with Windows boxes (some people need this at 
work, you know?);
- some minor hardware not working, like accelerometers;
Yes, I know that most of this stuff is hard to debug, but that's the 
kind of thing an embedded products company does: it secures the kernel 
quality first and foremost. It's all water under the bridge, now that 
the FR is strictly "community", but in my view this is what has 
prevented the device from being a world-class bedrock for VARs and 
tinkerers and inventors and anyone with and interest in FLOSS phones... 
I think that if the kernel was rock-solid and stable, people wouldn't 
care so much about "which distro works?" - the hardware would always 
"just work", and the distro would be just a matter of taste and "fitness 
for a purpose". Get the kernel right, and you have a winner.

jeremy jozwik escreveu:
> works for me too : )
>
> actually, i really like the thing. just with the screen was not 
> recessed into the shell.
> and ffalarms works great for me.
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michal Brzozowski  > wrote:
>
> 2009/6/20 Joerg Lippmann  >
>
>
> OK, maybe I should explain.
>
> My mail should not be taken as FUD. I have a freerunner since
> it came out a
> year ago and - being a linux user since 1994 - I was prepared
> to get something
> rough and unfinished. But I hoped that it would one day be
> sufficient to replace
> first my phone, then my Palm Tungsten C and maybe my
> Etrex-GPS. It does neither
> in a satisfactory way.
>
>
> You're spreading a lot of misinformation. Since you might
> influence someone's decision about buying the FR, I'll address
> those points with which I completely disagree (about the rest I
> could argue). 
>  
>
>
> I used it for about year now, installed this and that distro
> and during that
> time I defended all the shortcomings as being a
> work-in-progress and a
> community effort. But all in all I cannot recommend it to
> anyone as a daily
> phone. Here's why:
>
> - The device wakes up too slowly, I lost some calls.
>
>
> The wake up time is about 2 to 2.5 seconds. Usually small enough
> for picking up the call quickly.
>  
>
>
> - The vibrator is too weak, I missed more calls.
> - The volume is way to low, You can really only use it indoors.
>
>
> Depends on a particular mixer setting. I could get one that's good
> enough for me (found a link on the wiki)
>  
>
>
> - The Display is too dark for sunny days, even in the shade.
> - I lost many SMS. I eventually receiced most of them after
> restarting the
> device
> - The battery lasts only a few hours, again, I lost many calls
> (this depends
> on the distro. But even with a »good« one, I had cases in
> which the device did
> not suspend due to something crashing)
>
>
> With most distros you get ~48h of suspend time with the GSM
> running. Whether the distro you choose crashes a lot or not
> depends on your luck and ability to chose the right

Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)

[jeremy jozwik]

works for me too : )

actually, i really like the thing. just with the screen was not recessed
into the shell.
and ffalarms works great for me.

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michal Brzozowski wrote:

> 2009/6/20 Joerg Lippmann 
>
>>
>> OK, maybe I should explain.
>>
>> My mail should not be taken as FUD. I have a freerunner since it came out
>> a
>> year ago and - being a linux user since 1994 - I was prepared to get
>> something
>> rough and unfinished. But I hoped that it would one day be sufficient to
>> replace
>> first my phone, then my Palm Tungsten C and maybe my Etrex-GPS. It does
>> neither
>> in a satisfactory way.
>
>
> You're spreading a lot of misinformation. Since you might influence
> someone's decision about buying the FR, I'll address those points with which
> I completely disagree (about the rest I could argue).
>
>
>>
>> I used it for about year now, installed this and that distro and during
>> that
>> time I defended all the shortcomings as being a work-in-progress and a
>> community effort. But all in all I cannot recommend it to anyone as a
>> daily
>> phone. Here's why:
>>
>> - The device wakes up too slowly, I lost some calls.
>
>
> The wake up time is about 2 to 2.5 seconds. Usually small enough for
> picking up the call quickly.
>
>
>>
>> - The vibrator is too weak, I missed more calls.
>> - The volume is way to low, You can really only use it indoors.
>
>
> Depends on a particular mixer setting. I could get one that's good enough
> for me (found a link on the wiki)
>
>
>>
>> - The Display is too dark for sunny days, even in the shade.
>> - I lost many SMS. I eventually receiced most of them after restarting the
>> device
>> - The battery lasts only a few hours, again, I lost many calls (this
>> depends
>> on the distro. But even with a »good« one, I had cases in which the device
>> did
>> not suspend due to something crashing)
>
>
> With most distros you get ~48h of suspend time with the GSM running.
> Whether the distro you choose crashes a lot or not depends on your luck and
> ability to chose the right distro and version (release, testing, unstable).
> But agree that most of them crash occasionally, although I don't see how
> this influences battery life (just restart the device)
>
>
>> - Sometimes I cannot access the phonebook (Android, SHR)
>> - Wifi does not work reliably and it takes a long time to connect.
>> - The device/software is terribly slow. How fast was even the oldest palm
>> in
>> comparison!
>
>
> There is a ton of software, and some of it is slow, some of it is fast. The
> device itself is pretty fast for a phone I would say.
>
>
>>
>> - the on-screen keyboards are all terrible for finger-typing. I liked the
>> one
>> from QTe, but you have to install german wordlists by hand. Also it was
>> impractical to switch upper/lowercase. Best solution would be to use
>> landscape
>> automatically.
>
>
> Then you haven't tried the illume predictive keyboard. It's better for
> typing sms with your finger than anything else I've seen. Certainly 10x
> faster than a phone without a touchscreen.
>
>
>>
>> - Even simple tasks like inserting the number of the caller into the
>> addressbook is sometimes impossible or very complicated.
>> (- Many people I called complained about terrible buzz, but I hope to get
>> the
>> fix soon)
>
>
> You can buy a buzz-fixed FR.
>
>
>>
>> - The alarm clock does not work reliably.
>> - When the battery is completely empty, it takes ages to reload the phone
>> and
>> you're not able to turn it on even when plugged in.
>
>
> I think it takes a few hours to reload it. The problem with starting on an
> empty battery have been fixed in recent devices I think.
>
>
>>
>> - You cannot sync dates or even contacts, PIM-functions are virtually non-
>> existent.
>>
>> (And I did not mention nice things like video-playback, a good MP3-Player,
>> voice-notes, a nice email-Interface or a feed-aggregator...)
>>
>> Granted, most things depend on the distro you're using. But neither is
>> really
>> good:
>>
>> OM: 2007: very stripped down, although I liked the simple interface.
>
>
> That distro is 2.5 years old! :-)
>
>
>>
>>
>> QTe: Overall quite OK, but no Sync, no working wifi, no usable browser, no
>> GPRS, no usable GPS-Application
>>
>> SHR: good battery life when not crashing. some bad design decisions
>> (animations are useless on this phone), slow (especially the setup-menus
>> and
>> finger-scrolling), ugly phone-function, contacts crash very often,
>> tangogps is
>> working, many SMS and calls lost. Keyboard either english-only or only
>> usable
>> with a pen.
>
>
> The slowness can be fixed by tweaking some settings in illume gui.
>
> Keyboard english-only? Changing the dictionary to another language is as
> simple as downloading a word list into the FR.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Android: Best of the bunch so far. But volume too low, missing keyboard in
>> stable versions (cupcake one looks better, but is not stable enough at the
>> moment)
>
>
> Well, you

Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/6/20 Joerg Lippmann 

>
> OK, maybe I should explain.
>
> My mail should not be taken as FUD. I have a freerunner since it came out a
> year ago and - being a linux user since 1994 - I was prepared to get
> something
> rough and unfinished. But I hoped that it would one day be sufficient to
> replace
> first my phone, then my Palm Tungsten C and maybe my Etrex-GPS. It does
> neither
> in a satisfactory way.


You're spreading a lot of misinformation. Since you might influence
someone's decision about buying the FR, I'll address those points with which
I completely disagree (about the rest I could argue).


>
> I used it for about year now, installed this and that distro and during
> that
> time I defended all the shortcomings as being a work-in-progress and a
> community effort. But all in all I cannot recommend it to anyone as a daily
> phone. Here's why:
>
> - The device wakes up too slowly, I lost some calls.


The wake up time is about 2 to 2.5 seconds. Usually small enough for picking
up the call quickly.


>
> - The vibrator is too weak, I missed more calls.
> - The volume is way to low, You can really only use it indoors.


Depends on a particular mixer setting. I could get one that's good enough
for me (found a link on the wiki)


>
> - The Display is too dark for sunny days, even in the shade.
> - I lost many SMS. I eventually receiced most of them after restarting the
> device
> - The battery lasts only a few hours, again, I lost many calls (this
> depends
> on the distro. But even with a »good« one, I had cases in which the device
> did
> not suspend due to something crashing)


With most distros you get ~48h of suspend time with the GSM running. Whether
the distro you choose crashes a lot or not depends on your luck and ability
to chose the right distro and version (release, testing, unstable). But
agree that most of them crash occasionally, although I don't see how this
influences battery life (just restart the device)


> - Sometimes I cannot access the phonebook (Android, SHR)
> - Wifi does not work reliably and it takes a long time to connect.
> - The device/software is terribly slow. How fast was even the oldest palm
> in
> comparison!


There is a ton of software, and some of it is slow, some of it is fast. The
device itself is pretty fast for a phone I would say.


>
> - the on-screen keyboards are all terrible for finger-typing. I liked the
> one
> from QTe, but you have to install german wordlists by hand. Also it was
> impractical to switch upper/lowercase. Best solution would be to use
> landscape
> automatically.


Then you haven't tried the illume predictive keyboard. It's better for
typing sms with your finger than anything else I've seen. Certainly 10x
faster than a phone without a touchscreen.


>
> - Even simple tasks like inserting the number of the caller into the
> addressbook is sometimes impossible or very complicated.
> (- Many people I called complained about terrible buzz, but I hope to get
> the
> fix soon)


You can buy a buzz-fixed FR.


>
> - The alarm clock does not work reliably.
> - When the battery is completely empty, it takes ages to reload the phone
> and
> you're not able to turn it on even when plugged in.


I think it takes a few hours to reload it. The problem with starting on an
empty battery have been fixed in recent devices I think.


>
> - You cannot sync dates or even contacts, PIM-functions are virtually non-
> existent.
>
> (And I did not mention nice things like video-playback, a good MP3-Player,
> voice-notes, a nice email-Interface or a feed-aggregator...)
>
> Granted, most things depend on the distro you're using. But neither is
> really
> good:
>
> OM: 2007: very stripped down, although I liked the simple interface.


That distro is 2.5 years old! :-)


>
>
> QTe: Overall quite OK, but no Sync, no working wifi, no usable browser, no
> GPRS, no usable GPS-Application
>
> SHR: good battery life when not crashing. some bad design decisions
> (animations are useless on this phone), slow (especially the setup-menus
> and
> finger-scrolling), ugly phone-function, contacts crash very often, tangogps
> is
> working, many SMS and calls lost. Keyboard either english-only or only
> usable
> with a pen.


The slowness can be fixed by tweaking some settings in illume gui.

Keyboard english-only? Changing the dictionary to another language is as
simple as downloading a word list into the FR.


>
>
> Android: Best of the bunch so far. But volume too low, missing keyboard in
> stable versions (cupcake one looks better, but is not stable enough at the
> moment)


Well, you definitely forgot about Om2008 and 2009.


>
>
> Please, developers, don't feel like I want to thrash your work. It's just
> not
> ready for primetime, yet. I really like the design and the hires screen. It
> could make a cool device when it would work...
>

I will repeat the famous words, "works for me."  Just give it some love.
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Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)

[Iain B. FIndleton]

Most of Joerg's comments reflect the experience I have had. On the other 
hand, its a GREAT portable office. You can run just about any Linux 
application on it and with an 8Gbyte microSD card, carry around a lot of 
stuff easily in your pocket. Just plug it into any old PC via WIFI, 
Bluetooth or USB (Preferred) and you are away. Simply great for a 
consulting lifestyle.

It also receives and sends phone calls, although it generates too much 
heat to carry about in your pocket for that application.

Joerg Lippmann wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Joerg Lippmann 
>> 
> wrote:
>   
>>> Then the Freerunner is not for you.
>>> It may sound harsh, but it's definitely *not* suitable for daily use.
>>> Period.
>>>   
>> Brolin,
>>
>> I must respectfully disagree with Joerg's advice to you.  There are
>> flaws, including the ones Joerg points out, but they do not
>> necessarily make the Freeruner unsuitable as a daily phone.  I think
>> it depends on the person.  I use mine daily as my only phone and it
>> works well for me.  From your description of yourself, I suspect you
>> would be happy with a Freerunner as well, as long as you don't expect
>> it to do everything you want out of the box.
>> 
>
> OK, maybe I should explain. 
>
> My mail should not be taken as FUD. I have a freerunner since it came out a 
> year ago and - being a linux user since 1994 - I was prepared to get 
> something 
> rough and unfinished. But I hoped that it would one day be sufficient to 
> replace 
> first my phone, then my Palm Tungsten C and maybe my Etrex-GPS. It does 
> neither 
> in a satisfactory way.
>
> I used it for about year now, installed this and that distro and during that 
> time I defended all the shortcomings as being a work-in-progress and a 
> community effort. But all in all I cannot recommend it to anyone as a daily 
> phone. Here's why:
>
> - The device wakes up too slowly, I lost some calls.
> - The vibrator is too weak, I missed more calls.
> - The volume is way to low, You can really only use it indoors.
> - The Display is too dark for sunny days, even in the shade.
> - I lost many SMS. I eventually receiced most of them after restarting the 
> device
> - The battery lasts only a few hours, again, I lost many calls (this depends 
> on the distro. But even with a »good« one, I had cases in which the device 
> did 
> not suspend due to something crashing)
> - Sometimes I cannot access the phonebook (Android, SHR)
> - Wifi does not work reliably and it takes a long time to connect.
> - The device/software is terribly slow. How fast was even the oldest palm in 
> comparison!
> - the on-screen keyboards are all terrible for finger-typing. I liked the one 
> from QTe, but you have to install german wordlists by hand. Also it was 
> impractical to switch upper/lowercase. Best solution would be to use 
> landscape 
> automatically. 
> - Even simple tasks like inserting the number of the caller into the 
> addressbook is sometimes impossible or very complicated.
> (- Many people I called complained about terrible buzz, but I hope to get the 
> fix soon)
> - The alarm clock does not work reliably.
> - When the battery is completely empty, it takes ages to reload the phone and 
> you're not able to turn it on even when plugged in.
> - You cannot sync dates or even contacts, PIM-functions are virtually non-
> existent.
>
> (And I did not mention nice things like video-playback, a good MP3-Player, 
> voice-notes, a nice email-Interface or a feed-aggregator...)
>
> Granted, most things depend on the distro you're using. But neither is really 
> good:
>
> OM: 2007: very stripped down, although I liked the simple interface.
>
> QTe: Overall quite OK, but no Sync, no working wifi, no usable browser, no 
> GPRS, no usable GPS-Application
>
> SHR: good battery life when not crashing. some bad design decisions 
> (animations are useless on this phone), slow (especially the setup-menus and 
> finger-scrolling), ugly phone-function, contacts crash very often, tangogps 
> is 
> working, many SMS and calls lost. Keyboard either english-only or only usable 
> with a pen.
>
> Android: Best of the bunch so far. But volume too low, missing keyboard in 
> stable versions (cupcake one looks better, but is not stable enough at the 
> moment)
>
> I'm trying to honour the work of the many developers, but in my book, this is 
> still not a working everyday phone. Let alone a smartphone.
>
>
> Today, I slipped my SIM-card back into my old Siemens M55. What an 
> experience: 
> I got every call immediatly! I could hear what the other side was talking! I 
> could send an SMS in a few seconds without problems and received an answer! I 
> could also insert the number from a caller directly into my addressbook. You 
> should try it once.
>
> My freerunner will stay in my drawer. Maybe when Android works perfectly, I 
> will give it another try.
>
> Am Samstag 20 Juni 2009 schrieb Ben Wong:
>
>   
>> The sound quality is "terri

Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)

[Joerg Lippmann]

> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Joerg Lippmann 
wrote:
> > Then the Freerunner is not for you.
> > It may sound harsh, but it's definitely *not* suitable for daily use.
> > Period.
>
> Brolin,
>
> I must respectfully disagree with Joerg's advice to you.  There are
> flaws, including the ones Joerg points out, but they do not
> necessarily make the Freeruner unsuitable as a daily phone.  I think
> it depends on the person.  I use mine daily as my only phone and it
> works well for me.  From your description of yourself, I suspect you
> would be happy with a Freerunner as well, as long as you don't expect
> it to do everything you want out of the box.

OK, maybe I should explain. 

My mail should not be taken as FUD. I have a freerunner since it came out a 
year ago and - being a linux user since 1994 - I was prepared to get something 
rough and unfinished. But I hoped that it would one day be sufficient to 
replace 
first my phone, then my Palm Tungsten C and maybe my Etrex-GPS. It does neither 
in a satisfactory way.

I used it for about year now, installed this and that distro and during that 
time I defended all the shortcomings as being a work-in-progress and a 
community effort. But all in all I cannot recommend it to anyone as a daily 
phone. Here's why:

- The device wakes up too slowly, I lost some calls.
- The vibrator is too weak, I missed more calls.
- The volume is way to low, You can really only use it indoors.
- The Display is too dark for sunny days, even in the shade.
- I lost many SMS. I eventually receiced most of them after restarting the 
device
- The battery lasts only a few hours, again, I lost many calls (this depends 
on the distro. But even with a »good« one, I had cases in which the device did 
not suspend due to something crashing)
- Sometimes I cannot access the phonebook (Android, SHR)
- Wifi does not work reliably and it takes a long time to connect.
- The device/software is terribly slow. How fast was even the oldest palm in 
comparison!
- the on-screen keyboards are all terrible for finger-typing. I liked the one 
from QTe, but you have to install german wordlists by hand. Also it was 
impractical to switch upper/lowercase. Best solution would be to use landscape 
automatically. 
- Even simple tasks like inserting the number of the caller into the 
addressbook is sometimes impossible or very complicated.
(- Many people I called complained about terrible buzz, but I hope to get the 
fix soon)
- The alarm clock does not work reliably.
- When the battery is completely empty, it takes ages to reload the phone and 
you're not able to turn it on even when plugged in.
- You cannot sync dates or even contacts, PIM-functions are virtually non-
existent.

(And I did not mention nice things like video-playback, a good MP3-Player, 
voice-notes, a nice email-Interface or a feed-aggregator...)

Granted, most things depend on the distro you're using. But neither is really 
good:

OM: 2007: very stripped down, although I liked the simple interface.

QTe: Overall quite OK, but no Sync, no working wifi, no usable browser, no 
GPRS, no usable GPS-Application

SHR: good battery life when not crashing. some bad design decisions 
(animations are useless on this phone), slow (especially the setup-menus and 
finger-scrolling), ugly phone-function, contacts crash very often, tangogps is 
working, many SMS and calls lost. Keyboard either english-only or only usable 
with a pen.

Android: Best of the bunch so far. But volume too low, missing keyboard in 
stable versions (cupcake one looks better, but is not stable enough at the 
moment)

I'm trying to honour the work of the many developers, but in my book, this is 
still not a working everyday phone. Let alone a smartphone.


Today, I slipped my SIM-card back into my old Siemens M55. What an experience: 
I got every call immediatly! I could hear what the other side was talking! I 
could send an SMS in a few seconds without problems and received an answer! I 
could also insert the number from a caller directly into my addressbook. You 
should try it once.

My freerunner will stay in my drawer. Maybe when Android works perfectly, I 
will give it another try.

Am Samstag 20 Juni 2009 schrieb Ben Wong:

> The sound quality is "terrible" according to Joerg, but that has not

It's just way too low. I can only unterstand the other side well, when I'm in 
a quiet place. While with a real phone you can talk on the street or in a car, 
with the freerunner I can't. I tried also other alsa-state-files and fiddled 
myself, but without real success.

> Joerg also mentioned that the device is "lame".  I'm not quite sure
> what he means. 

Sorry, I meant "slow". See above.

Please, developers, don't feel like I want to thrash your work. It's just not 
ready for primetime, yet. I really like the design and the hires screen. It 
could make a cool device when it would work...

j�...@home
-- 
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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Gerald A]

Hi,

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Warren Baird
wrote:

> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
> org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetAntennaPower False
>
> I'm cleaning things up at work prior to a vacation, so I don't have time to
> add it to the wiki now - but if no one has done it in the next day or two,
> I'll add it there somewhere...
>

Stub added:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Airplane_Mode

I'm not sure which distro/rev this would work for, and this type of info
should be added.

Thanks,
Gerald
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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[jeremy jozwik]

omgps, my new favorite SHR app.

i cannot tell you how happy i am to have tracks recorded while walking not
look like a lightning storm

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Al
> Johnson wrote:
> > The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default
> one
> > is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output
> including
> > speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a
> > ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a
> > feature request may be in order.
>
> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f6feed64aecde5888e7d51d653b2e39d.png
>
> (I have no idea how it does it or if it works but anyway, omgps seems
> to rock in another new way: http://code.google.com/p/omgps/ )
>
> r
>
>
> --
> | risto h. kurppa
> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
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Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?

[jeremy jozwik]

very nice. thank you

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:02 AM, David Ford  wrote:

> Here they are, please note if this email gets munged, the mdbus line
> ending in the .txt is one one line:
>
> r...@nibbly-bits:~# cat backup_contacts.sh
> #!/bin/sh
> d=$(date +%Y.%m.%d-%H%M)
> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
> org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook 'contacts' > contacts-$d.txt
>
> r...@nibbly-bits:~# cat backup_messages.sh
> #!/bin/sh
> d=$(date +%Y.%m.%d-%H%M)
> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
> org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook 'all' > messages-$d.txt
>
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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[George Brooke]

On Saturday 20 June 2009 15:58:34 Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Al
>
> Johnson wrote:
> > The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default
> > one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output
> > including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and
> > altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to
> > change this, so a feature request may be in order.
>
> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f6feed64aecde5888e7d51d653b2e39d.png
>
> (I have no idea how it does it or if it works but anyway, omgps seems
> to rock in another new way: http://code.google.com/p/omgps/ )
>
> r
It appears that omgps speaks U-BLOX so that may be how.


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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Al
Johnson wrote:
> The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default one
> is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output including
> speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a
> ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a
> feature request may be in order.

http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f6feed64aecde5888e7d51d653b2e39d.png

(I have no idea how it does it or if it works but anyway, omgps seems
to rock in another new way: http://code.google.com/p/omgps/ )

r


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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Peter Nijs]

On Saturday 20 June 2009 16:00:10 Al Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 19 June 2009, Petr Vanek wrote:
> > - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed
> >   above 200km - check between shr settings and tango
> > - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or)
> >   high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some
> >   reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this
> >   will repeat fo as long as you leave it.
>
> The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default
> one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output
> including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and
> altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to
> change this, so a feature request may be in order.
>

Do you know what it would do with speeds of 300 km/h and altitudes of 2000 m 
in Belgium? I would like to be able to trust the gps logs of such events.

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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 19 June 2009, Petr Vanek wrote:
> - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed
>   above 200km - check between shr settings and tango
> - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or)
>   high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some
>   reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this
>   will repeat fo as long as you leave it.

The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default one 
is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output including 
speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a 
ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a 
feature request may be in order.


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Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up & running again

[Fabian Killus]

> >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Nicola Mfb 
> >> wrote:
> > Exactly! About development I propose to expose peoples, projects and
> > what is missing, an example:
> >
> > critical "new openmoko community" core development:
> >
> > *) FSO team is developing the middleware, they need c/vala experts,
> > funding :) *) Mirko is working on Paroli, help is needed to create
> > a a good wifi manager plugin
> > *) Angus is working on om2009, openembedded experts are welcome
> > *) Nelson, Luca, etc. is working on kernel, some guru needed or
> > donate a debug board
> > *) Thomas, Andreas etc. is working on xorg glamo, drm/dri experts
> > are welcome *) xxx, yyy maintains the server infrastructure, gforge
> > experts needed ...
> >
> > other community development:
> >
> > *) c_c is working on audio/video mediaplayer
> > *) xxx is working on bluetooth manager
> > *) yyy is adapting linphone UI for small devices
> > *) zzz and www is testing qlwm for arm and writing qt applications
> > to create a new and complete qt/x11 gui phone stack over fso, every
> > qt developer is welcome
> > *) xxx is working to support wpa2/enterprise in connman
> > *) "" shr
> > *) "" debian
> > *) "" hackable:1
> > *) "" neovento
> > *) "" gentoo
> > *) "" qtmoko/qtimproved
> >
> > We need discussion boards too:
> >
> > *) how to use better the aux and power buttons
> > *) killing freezed x11 fullscreen applications
> > *) the wanted systray support
> > *) windows manager status
> > *) x11 server over qtimproved
> > *) improving the user interaction with accelerometers
> > *) long term architecture for om2010
> > ...
> >
> > The same for other tasks, there are few human resources, we need
> > organization and coordination.
> >

I am just another casual Freerunner user having lurked on the list
long enough now. I feel like we need a solid single point of contact
for all device owners and interested people. Our wiki is a good
starting point, but still everything seems a little bit messy to me.
While the software is getting better and better every day I agree with
others that it's time to improve the organizational part as well.

I felt free to add the points proposed by Nicola to the Community
Transition Page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition

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Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up & running again

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

> *) Nelson, Luca, etc. is working on kernel, some guru needed or donate
> a debug board

Please contact me, I will donate this debug board.
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Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?

[arne anka]

> I thought the SMS messages were stored on the phone instead of the SIM.

depends. most phones i know allowed, to select where to store the messages.

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Re: New case (was Re: Freerunner's Future)

[Ed Kapitein]

And to reflect the "openness" of the FR it would be nice to have a
(semi) transparent (see trough) case.

Kind regards,
Ed

David Ford wrote:
> to whomever does this, please put a small stylus into a recess in the
> new case :)
>
> On 06/18/09 20:18, Werner Almesberger wrote:
>> [ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than just
>>   "Freerunner's Future" ]
>>
>> Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
>>   
>>> I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I could also help with the
>>> mechanical design and modeling of the case and other things related
>>> to the project.
>>> 
>>
>> Great ! I think "redoing" the GTA02 case should be a project on its
>> own, independent from gta02-core or such.
>>   
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Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?

[David Ford]

Here they are, please note if this email gets munged, the mdbus line 
ending in the .txt is one one line:

r...@nibbly-bits:~# cat backup_contacts.sh
#!/bin/sh
d=$(date +%Y.%m.%d-%H%M)
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device 
org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook 'contacts' > contacts-$d.txt

r...@nibbly-bits:~# cat backup_messages.sh
#!/bin/sh
d=$(date +%Y.%m.%d-%H%M)
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device 
org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook 'all' > messages-$d.txt

-david

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